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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 29, 2007 - 12:51am PT
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As most SuperTopians know, the Yosemite Facelift is on September 26th - 30th this year. Only three months to go. Organized by the Yosemite Climbing Association (www.yosemiteclimbing.org) and its illustrious executive director, Ken Yager aka Chicken Skinner.
Yosemite is the heart of SuperTopia. SuperTopians like to get together to eat, drink, have fun, and climb. (Sushi fest, anyone?) So I have an idea. It is that as many SuperTopians as possible attend the Facelift, camp together, help out a bit, and do the aforementioned fun stuff. It may take some holiday and travel planning, but would be an awesomely good time, and would help a most excellent cause. We could, without undue effort, give back something to a place that's special to us all.
Aha, you say, what's this nonsense about all camping together? And just how much fun could we have, anyway? Well, there's a solution. Last year Ken was able to arrange spots in Camp 4 for Facelifters. This year he's done even better - for September 25th onward, he's obtained some group sites in Yellow Pines. Near Sentinel Beach.
We can all camp together at Yellow Pines, if we want. No services except for water and tables and toilets - just like Camp 4. No Camp 4 crowds and boulders and scene, but with attractions of its own. Quieter. Unique opportunity to camp together. Probably some boulders around somewhere. Maybe not so much official presence. Only a kilometre walk from the Lodge and Camp 4, for those craving.
We can also meet other Facelifters, and rumour has it that #46, and Werner, will make cameo appearances. (Not together, of course.) And not much work is required - indeed, the motivation challenged can get away with just going climbing, as long as they agree to thoroughly clean up wherever they go.
My idea is that those who can, arrive on Tuesday (September 25th), and we have a big SuperTopo barbeque that night at Yellow Pines. Sushi fest, if Doug et al can be persuaded, and it's otherwise ok. There are dinners, speakers and such most of the other Facelift nights, but we could do other things together, e.g. breakfasts. There'd be space for those arriving later in the week, or for the weekend. And for sure we could climb together, have fun, and help Ken.
Who's interested?
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Jun 29, 2007 - 12:58am PT
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i'm in...first time ever going there, be glad to help with the clean up...
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Jun 29, 2007 - 01:16am PT
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I am considering a trip out that way to help out. A small sushifest is quite possible.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Jun 29, 2007 - 01:19am PT
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I can provide camping (the whole campground!) for one hundred people for that night. Afterwards you may have to camp elsewhere ( I can help with that too, ) Contact me. If this doesn't work out I will schedule another night program for the same evening. Other evening programs include, Tom Frost, Perhaps Ron Kauk, Tim O'Neill. Tommy Caldwell, (live band, participant raffle, free food, free drink on the night of the 30th within walking distance with a headlamp).
Ken
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Jun 29, 2007 - 01:33am PT
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I wanted to come up for it last year but already had a trip to New Zealand planned on those dates. I think I'm going to try to make it this year. It is a good cause. Good for the karma too.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jun 29, 2007 - 02:25am PT
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I will probably actually be able to make this one.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Jun 29, 2007 - 02:41am PT
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Jaybro, It would be good to see you again V.W's rule!
Ken
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Roger Brown
climber
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Jun 29, 2007 - 01:10pm PT
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Last year was my 2nd year at the face-lift. Stayed at Yellow Pines both times. Brought the wife this time and she enjoyed meeting the names she had been hearing for so long. The actual work days were typical laid-back volunteer work and the nights around the campfire were some to remember. Yea, a lot of us lurkers were there, just not many posters. Maybe this is the year of the posters? Putting faces to the names would be fun and we get to help Ken out at the same time. See you there,
Roger Brown
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jun 29, 2007 - 02:00pm PT
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i cud be down like the pound for this, if not working my city job...
haven't done a clean up since the 90s Access Fund clean ups.
kewl
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BoKu
Trad climber
Douglas Flat, CA
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Jun 29, 2007 - 02:43pm PT
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[off-topic]
When I first saw this topic, it was directly below the one titled "The Myth of 'Anchor Babies,'" and I thought it was laugh-out-loud funny.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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Jun 29, 2007 - 02:47pm PT
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me me me i will go. what are those dates again? i'll request them off today.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Jun 29, 2007 - 02:49pm PT
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the 26th is my birthday, last of the 40's decade, so I'll be in partying mode, Ken hope to meet you there, but really hope to meet you before then....got anymore great stuff to post up, miss browsing when you post up.
Peace
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BoKu
Trad climber
Douglas Flat, CA
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Jun 29, 2007 - 03:02pm PT
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The BoKu family is in! We figure to arrive Friday afternoon or so.
Here's a picture from last year's facelift:
That's on this Web page.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 29, 2007 - 03:02pm PT
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Pretty damn good idea. I'll try to make it.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2007 - 04:52pm PT
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Thanks for all the interest! I'm sure Ken will be pleased.
T*R: The Facelift is September 26th - 30th, inclusive. (Wednesday - Sunday.) Daytime volunteer stuff, evening entertainment, every day. But we plan to have a SuperTopo get together on the evening of Tuesday September 25th at Yellow Pines, for all who can make it.
There's a combination of objectives:
 Camp together at Yellow Pines on the 25th/26th, and hopefully for longer, though I'm sure it's a big campsite juggling act for Ken.
Have a big ST BBQ on the evening of the 25th.
To the extent possible and wanted, camp and hang out and volunteer and climb together right through the Facelift.
Assuming that the largest number of SuperTopians will be there for the weekend, perhaps have a breakfast on Sunday (30th).
As one of the main objectives of the Facelift is environmental stewardship, hopefully we can emphasize that too. Carpooling or using transit. (Last year someone came on transit from Santa Barbara!) Recycling. And of course helping.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Jun 29, 2007 - 06:07pm PT
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OK, I'm marking my calendar for this. Tuesday the 25th - is that what we've decided?
I'd be honored to try to do the sushifest thing it can be part of the BBQ. As it's a national park and all I'm not sure how to accept the donations required for fish for something like this.
Also, I'll be heading home by Friday at the latest. That's the Edit:labor day weekend and I need to be here at the Farmers Market swinging sushi (it's one of the biggest days of the season).
So... ideas on how to do sushi?
Oh, but I might head out early so I can maybe do a wall quickly.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2007 - 06:25pm PT
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I suggest we see what interest there is in sushi, as opposed to a BBQ or such. Also check on the logistics and and bureaucratic things. A BBQ would be a simple fall back, if preferred or needed.
Who knows, perhaps Russ and the S*** Talkers will attend and play a little poker?
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Jun 29, 2007 - 06:29pm PT
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I'm thinking that there might be a fair amount of people there so having a BBQ and sushi combo might work better for me.
you're probably right stzzo - pitching in for food and having someone prep it shouldn't break any rules.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jun 29, 2007 - 06:36pm PT
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Okay, assuming my contract is renewed, I WILL be there. If it's not, and I'm off in another state, I'll still prolly be there.
Ken, though Vdubs still truly rock, I've moved on, diagonally, to old Saabs; less clearence, so you gotta go faster to clear those cement pseudo-logs.
me'n TR R gonna clean that shyd up!
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scuffy b
climber
Bates Creek
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Jun 29, 2007 - 06:36pm PT
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Nature,
check those dates again. Memorial Day in late September?
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Jun 29, 2007 - 06:37pm PT
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Sweet. I'll make sure my sushi knifes are extra sharp. The bitch deserves nothing less than a sharp yanagiba poked in her....
eye.
I-ALWAYS-CONFUSE-THOSE-TWO-HOLIDAZE EDIT STYLEE: Labor day - I always get'em mixed up.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jun 29, 2007 - 06:48pm PT
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Sushi or not, I'm in!
But the sushi will make it all the better for us Tacos.
Ummmm...Uni Taco.... (actually, that's starting to sound
a little off topic).
I'm wondering if we can get the group camp for a few days, you
know, like if we paid something for it. One night might not do
the trick (but it's sure a good start!).
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Zander
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jun 29, 2007 - 06:50pm PT
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Hi Mighty Hiker,
Is there a reason you wanted to have a big party during the middle of the week? Friday or Sturday nights might be easier for a lot of us to attend. Just wondering. I havn't figured out if I can make it.
Thanks for trying to organize us.
Zander
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2007 - 07:01pm PT
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There are several reasons why Ken and I thought the 25th might work well. The main one is that there will be special events every other night of the Facelift. Speakers, food, drink, prizes etc. No competition on the 25th. Also, there's definitely large group camping at Yellow Pines available that night, but possibly not, or at least not to the same extent, later in the week.
Having it on the 25th also encourages people to come for all of the Facelift. (I think and hope...)
For those of us from far away, it may make less difference. I'll probably take a week off, anyway, and may already be in the Valley. Unfortunately, not so convenient for those who can't take time off during the week, or holiday time. Hence the idea of a Sunday morning something or other. Then, if a group comes up from the Bay area or such, we can still do something, especially for those who can't make the 25th.
Perhaps there'll be a church group breakfast somewhere in the Valley that morning, that we can visit? Largo could provide tips on etiquette...
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Zander
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jun 29, 2007 - 07:24pm PT
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Thanks Mighty,
I thought it might be something like that. Hope I can make it.
Zander
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Jun 29, 2007 - 07:33pm PT
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How's this for a Taco Roll?
sorry about the thread drift.
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nita
climber
chico ca
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Jun 29, 2007 - 11:16pm PT
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WOW, getting to meet~ Nature, Paganmonkeymanboy,K-man, Mightyhiker,Jaybro, and a grown-up-Standing strong . I have to seriously think about this...ok , I'm pretty sure- k-man used to talk to me in Tuolumne?
How about you L, Cosmic, Locker, Raydog, Hossjulia,Happygirl... so many people I would like to meet and see again. Ann Marie, Blinny?
Even eccentric,----- Leb... hey Nurse teacher, have you been to Yosemite?
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Jun 30, 2007 - 12:25am PT
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Nita,
Come on up! We have a whole Campground to ourselves for that evening. How often does that happen? Hope to see you there.
Ken
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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Jun 30, 2007 - 02:00am PT
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beginning in august i will have class on tuesday and thursday evenings. depending on what is happening at work, i can come early on friday morning and stay for the weekend. alternatively, i can come out for the day on wednesday. i'm not too far away. ideally, i could come out wednesday, go back for school on thursday, and then coem back on friday morning and return monday or tuesday afternoon, if anyone could carpool from sac / foothills on those days. otherwise i will just make one trip. does that make sense? i could do both if for one trip i can carpool or else all that driving would make me feel too guilty. dang, i must really want to go or my brain wouldn't be working so hard to figure out how to spend as much time w/u guys cleaning up as possible AND not skip class.
i wanted to go to the half dome anniversary tomorrow but i couldn't find anyone to cover my shift on a saturday and i would feel too guilty calling in sick.
i luv u peeps!
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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Jun 30, 2007 - 02:04am PT
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yea!! church breakfast!!!! ha haahahaha!!
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Jun 30, 2007 - 02:05am PT
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Miss Strong,
And gloves and litter sticks. I will supply those. It would be a great pleasure and honor to meet you. Hope you can make it.
Ken
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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Jun 30, 2007 - 02:10am PT
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mr. skinner,
i am flattered and honored.
cheers,
standing rainbow penguin :)
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Jun 30, 2007 - 01:04pm PT
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since i missed the j-tree old school gathering two winters ago? i think i will try to make it and bring Elaina so she can experience some of the best classics on the planet!
i can bring slides as well if need be...old school slides that is...!!!!
ks
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Jun 30, 2007 - 01:05pm PT
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maybe don reids band can re group like in the 80's!
Ks
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 30, 2007 - 02:34pm PT
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I'll see what I can fit into my schedule... sounds cool and close by!
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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Jun 30, 2007 - 02:47pm PT
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you guys knew how to rock in the eighties.
pmb... i just tried to send ya an add... myspace is jacked and keeps giving me an error message... i'll try again later...dood yer band should cover "paradise city" by g&n f'n 'r...
don't WANNA go to work 2day edit: maybe i can do it from there
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jun 30, 2007 - 03:51pm PT
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ok , I'm pretty sure- k-man used to talk to me in Tuolumne?
And I wouldn't talk to just anyone!!
Nita, I've been wondering whether that's you there on the other end. I believe the last time I saw you was at a show at the Catalyst.
Howdy!
:- k
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Gary Carpenter
climber
SF Bay Area
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Jun 30, 2007 - 07:27pm PT
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I'll try to save the date.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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pagan munkeydood - yo holla. i didn't have time @ work today to figure it out. so i just changed my settings and now you should be able to successfully add me.
peace beans,
t*penguin
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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ps what's kind of a climb is that like?
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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if i can climb dinkum at cosumnes river can i climb that? i did fall at the crux tho, i had to try a bit. but i will sure as hell try! f*ck yea let's go! i havn't climbed a lot in the valley but i want to and the guys who made cosumnes routes said it's like valley climbing. (a bit shorter tho :P )
anyone else who wants to climbing / show me crack technique with me, holla back propa. don't worry, i have an xtra pair of stunnas so you can wear some too :)
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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not too sure if i wanna fall my way up five pitches edit: i'm willing to try but also thinking maybe it would be nice do something mellower :)
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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um that's in four months edit: maybe if i train really hard... i just have so much going on right now... ew. why am i debating this with myself in public? let's think about it later.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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is it sustained 9 or just occasional 9 moves?
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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and arn't valley grades stiffer? perhaps someone who has climbed both dinkum and central pillar of frenzy could chime in.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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what if i fall a lot? are you going to be mad?
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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"Edited: Just suggesting that your question of how sustained is a good question :-)."
thanks. we can discuss it in sept, but something easier but long would probly be more fun. don't really know if it sounds ilke fun to me to fall my way up 5 pitches... plus, is it unsafe to keep falling like that, esp. when high up? i don't mind being physically and mentally taxed, but i don't know if i wanna commit to something that long when i'm not solid on the grade. we'll see. we still have a couple months. and dinkum was climbed basically off the couch and my ankles were slipping out of my shoes. maybe if i get in a lot more climbing before, it won't be an issue.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
don't u worry 'bout a thang, baby
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p.s. we're gonna dieeeee!!!
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Mighty, Thanks for your help. As somebody mentioned, there are other programs scheduled during the remainder of the Facelift. September 25 is the night before the event and I have reserved Yellow Pines for that evening. This means the whole campsite to ourselves(100 people). Nature, you up for this?
Ken
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jiimmy
Boulder climber
san diego
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Good weekend to stay away from the valley. Theyll be coming out of the boulders.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2007 - 05:45pm PT
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Thanks! It's gratifying to see all this interest in the Facelift, and it should make the event even more successful. Substantial participation by SuperTopians and the climbing community will let us do something for others, and send a message to the world (and the NPS) about the importance of this area to us. Hopefully we'll have some historic climbing figures, to aid with that. (Or free climb, or boulder, or pink point...)
The Facelift is intended to help Yosemite, the climbing community, and the public. There's a lot going on over the five days - large numbers of volunteers, supplies and materials, evening socials (food, speakers, prizes), sponsors, and so on. We need to help Ken and the Yosemite Climbing Association, and not add to his enormous pile of things to do. There are many things SuperTopians perhaps COULD do over the five days, but keeping it simple seems desirable.
The most important things SuperTopians can do to help with the Facelift are:
Attend and help, in as environmentally-friendly a manner as feasible, and for as long as possible.
Hang out with fellow SuperTopians on the 25th/26th, in a fairly organized manner. Hopefully at other times, too.
Join the YCA, and make a donation!
Have fun!!
I'm some distance from Yosemite, and so can only help plan. Some solid local help is needed. The key things:
We only (for sure) have large group camping on the 25th/26th, at Yellow Pines. I suspect it's needed on other Facelift days for youth groups who're helping. From then on, we may be camping in groups, but not as a single large group.
Free admission to the Park, and free camping, for those helping with the Facelift. (Need to sign up IN ADVANCE!)
The big SuperTopo social event has to be the evening of the 25th. Sushi, BBQ, or some other fine dining are all ok with me. A BBQ is more flexible, given that numbers may not be very certain - simply provide BBQs, lanterns, and some condiments, and the rest is simple. Sushi requires more organizing, and isn't very flexible in terms of numbers.
All going well, we'll draw many uninvited but welcome climber guests to the event on the 25th. Perhaps some well known climbers from Yosemite's past, some of the current denizens of Camp 4, maybe the NPS climbers - John Dill, Werner, and so on.
Free camping on other days is likely, for those helping. However, it may not be for large groups, and may be spread out.
One person has generously offered to do pancake breakfasts each morning, which would be another chance to get together, though we'd have to figure out a central location, and work out logistics and finances. Also whether to have it on just one morning (Sunday - 30th?), or several.
Somehow I suspect that amplified music, explosions, bongo drums, and other conspicuous behaviour may not be a good idea. We need to at least pretend to be responsible climber-citizens during the Facelift.
We need to decide what form the event on the evening of the 25th will take, and what other group social things we want to do. Thoughts?
Should I be keeping some sort of list of people who say they'll be there, or would that be overly organized?
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Ken: Yup, I'm in. I owe you one and owe Yosemite a lifetime of "one's".
I'm not going to contemplate details for another couple of weeks so for now marking my iCal will suffice.
What I'll probably do is simply state I'm doing sushi and not try and promo it. If you want in on the sliced fish you'll have to send me $20 a few weeks in advance. Or maybe give folks an option of putting in $10 with an honest agreement that they will also eat the other grubables.
I'm an idiot edit styleee: I can't even read a dam calendar. Labor day is the beginning of September and not the end. I guess that restriction is not a problem. Hmm....
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Slakkey
Trad climber
From a Quiet Place by the Lake
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First this post needs a bump as it is a great event. I missed last year as I was on the DL due to a windsurfing accident.. However I am seriously considering being there for this year.
I am looking at flying up to Fresno as right now it is really cheap from San Diego via Express Jet. The cost is way below what it would cost in gas to drive. Anyone on the forum in that area planning on going as I would be happy to share expenses to go from there to the Valley?
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jstan
climber
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Slakkey:
I was a noobe last year but from what i saw you missed a really great event. I got to work with youngsters but just as importantly with some "just people", like myself, who as chance would have it live in Fresno.
Ken is the kinda guy who goes after "the absolute max". If he could hook you up with Gerry from Fresno for a ride, that would be the absolute max. I kick myself for not getting their address.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I'm going to see about making this one as well...
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Quaken
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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For the last 30 years all I have ever done is get to the valley in the dark, crash under the same giant boulder, wake up, eat breakfast at the Lodge, get on a route, do the route, come down and shower while drinking a beer and get on the road out.
This would be a great chance to get to see part of the valley up close and personal while doing something very worthwhile.
Count me in. The new view will do me good.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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on my calendar... should be able to defend the dates
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dirtbagger
Ice climber
Australia
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how annoying is that! Booked my return flight home for the 25th of Sept a while ago! DOH! Cheap flight and all, hence no rebooking!
Sorry Might Hiker, would have loved to help out! Just came a couple of weeks too late, after I had already booked my flights! Ah well......another time then. But congrats on helping a great cause!
cheers
Dirtbagger
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10b4me
Trad climber
Hell A
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bump.
hoping to make it this year.
sounds like fun.
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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i'm tentatively planning on showing up out there the weekend before, and hopefully get up and off something before wednesday...i saw there might be free earlier camping for those working to help clean up ? sign up required ? or am i mistaken, and that's just for the actual event ?...
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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boss man just gave me the week off - woo hooo !!
anyone else going to be there early ?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2007 - 09:07pm PT
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Attendance summary so far (? = maybe):
paganmonkeyboy
khanom
Fluoride
Jaybro?
A. Crowley
Roger Brown
stzzo
Tuolumne Penguin
Ron Gomez
BoKu +2
bluering?
nature
K-man
Zander?
nita?
EKat?
Mark B?
Kurt & Elaina Smith
Ed Hartouni
Gary Carpenter?
Mike?
slakkey?
jstan
healyje
Quaken
10b4me?
Mighty Hiker
By my count, 27, including the maybes. A good start. There are a few others who are too shy to post publicly, but will be there. As we have up to 100 places at Yellow Pines on the 25th, there's still room.
Now we just have to figure out what we're doing as a group. Camping at Yellow Pines on the 25th/26th, and a sushifest (or equivalent) and party on the evening of the 25th, seem set. Hopefully Chicken Skinner can post something about camping the other nights, and general arrangements for those helping at the Facelift (park admission, camping). Then there's possible pancake breakfasts one or more other mornings. Doing Facelift projects in smaller SuperTopo groups also makes sense. What else?
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
making desirable discoveries by accident
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well, if worst comes to worst, you can take my truck and go sleep in it.
feel free to push it off a cliff when you're done :)
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2007 - 10:19pm PT
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T*R: If EKat and Mark push your truck off a cliff at the Facelift, then we'll just have to clean it up afterward. Chicken Skinner won't be impressed.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Hello everybody,
The camping situation is as follows. September 25th we have the whole Yellow Pines Campground for 100 people. September 26-30 we have Yellow Pines sites A and B for 50 people. September 26-30 we have 6 sites in Camp 4 for 56 people though I don't have the site numbers yet. I should have this information soon.
If you are going to commit, email me and I will put you on the list and verify your site number. I need to have your name, which nights you want to stay, which campground you prefer, and how many in your party. I am going to be booking the sites, please make sure I have this information, it is a lot easier on me. The first people to do this will get the sites until they have filled up. My email is yager@inreach.com.
Lets hear it for Mighty Hiker. Thanks for your help Anders.
Ken
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2007 - 04:45pm PT
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Bump. One week to go.
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M3(mad moderate mtnr)
Mountain climber
Sac'to, CA
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Sep 19, 2007 - 03:15am PT
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Ya'll Rock! Especially Chicken Skinner & Mighty Hiker!!
Very Nice effort.
Tasha dele(k)
IA Mtnr
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Paulina
Trad climber
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Sep 19, 2007 - 09:22am PT
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I'll be there, in case anyone is still keeping count.
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