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dave
climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 14, 2004 - 09:26pm PT
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Saw a mean looking one tied to a tree, Memorial Day, at Tahquitz. He turned out to be nice, but scared shitless, it was scorching hot, he was hanging in the sun (nearly litteraly)and he had NO WATER! Dogs should stay home.,. You cant take care of your dog at the crag!
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JerryGarcia
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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Jul 14, 2004 - 10:02pm PT
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"Dogs should stay home"
That is all that need be said. No arguement any of you attempt to make about your dog needing to be outdoors will work in this situation. Would you take your dog down to the street corner, tie him up to the light post and leave? Well thats what you are doing when you take your dog to the crag.
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xclimber
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2004 - 10:58pm PT
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Excuse me... You don't have a clue about what I do with my dog at the crag. Because one (or several) dog owners act in a certain way you assume that all dog owners act the same...? Your argument is fallacious, and barely worthy of a response.
What planet are you from? You must be a Bush supporter... or perhaps an athletic supporter...?
Jerry
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Wayne Arly
Social climber
Prescott, AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2004 - 11:31pm PT
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OK, "Xclimber", I really am curious: What do you do with your dog on a multi pitch route?
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dougs510
Trad climber
Nashville, TN.
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Jul 14, 2004 - 11:55pm PT
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We did pingora, and my bud left his dog at the base..... The creature was so faithful, that my bud had to hike back to the base and retrieve him as he wouldn't leave without knowing where his master was.... plus, he was REALLY COOL.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Jul 15, 2004 - 01:18am PT
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I thought you weren't supposed to leave food tied to the base of the crag. Maybe thats just on El CAP. I once saw 2 tied pooches get munched by a hungry bobcat elsewhere. Hey, my Vietnamese partner might have at it if he's hungry enough so go ahead & leave your kung pow spicy jack russel terrier.
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JerryGarcia
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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Jul 15, 2004 - 02:23am PT
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nice one rwedgee.
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darmo
Trad climber
Cali
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Jul 15, 2004 - 02:39am PT
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Dogs smell bad.
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Nohea
Trad climber
Aiea,Hi
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Jul 15, 2004 - 04:13am PT
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Hey I'll gladly get a dog.....once I can find one that will follow ME around and pick up my sh#t wherever I may leave it.
But until then....no dogs, and sure as hell no damn cats.
bill
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Nor Cal
Trad climber
San Mateo
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Jul 15, 2004 - 10:17am PT
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I was at Reeds pinnacle one day to climb Lunatic, a dog was tied in the shade off to the right of the climb near the rock. The dog was not friendly, we did not approach him but he barked and growled at us until his owner returned.
At Lovers Leap about a month ago two dogs were at the base of the Line, as soon as the owners were out of the dogs sight one of them started barking non stop until the owner came running down from the top to silence the animal, this went on for quite a while.
I love dogs but they dont belong at the crag. In Yosemite it is made clear that they (park service) dont like dogs there.
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Bilbo
Trad climber
Truckee
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Jul 15, 2004 - 10:18am PT
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At least the bears won't get into your sh#t with a dog around.
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msiddens
Trad climber
Saratoga, CA
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Jul 15, 2004 - 11:06am PT
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I swear......everytime I see this thread re-posted it's simply dejavu all over again:-). Dogs rule, dogs drool blah blah blah.
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atchafalaya
Trad climber
California
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Jul 15, 2004 - 11:17am PT
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this ones been beatin to death.... see ya at the crags, with my dog
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 15, 2004 - 11:57am PT
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Decent (but sad) reason to carry mace when you go cragging, I guess. I feel bad for the poor dogs with such cruel irresonsible owners.
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Jul 15, 2004 - 12:15pm PT
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Woof! Woof, woof, woof, rrrruff! Woof, ruff, ruff, WOOF! GrrrrRUFF! *
*Translation -- Some dogs can't go to any crag at anytime. Some dogs CAN go to many crags anytime. Some crags can't have ANY dog at any time. No ignorant-assed, broad-brushed rule should apply to bringing dogs to crags. Piss off.
Ed's Rottweiler
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dave
climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2004 - 12:30pm PT
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Piss off, when I kick your barking, growling dog in the ribs!
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shakey legs
Trad climber
san diego ca
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Jul 15, 2004 - 01:06pm PT
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I take my dog to the local crag in San Diego early mournings. She runs around and has fun while I climb single pitch climbs. Has anyone ever really been bothered by a dog while climbing? I have taken my dog to tahquitz and suicide as well and she plays with the other dogs that are there while i climb. If my dogs not pooping on the trail or barking or bothering you who cares if I bring her or not?
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Jul 15, 2004 - 01:11pm PT
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I'd just look at you funny and go back to sleep. See, that's the problem. A general mischaracterization of "all" dogs as barking and growling. Look, if you come across a dog that barking and growling at the crags then I'll be the first pooch on the block to help you take him down. I hate those yappy-lil kick dogs that bark at their own shadow. But I realize that even a well trained, well socialized, even tempered, good natured pooch like myself isn't able to go to some crags with my owner.
Ed's Rottweiler
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Sir Run-it-out
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2004 - 04:26pm PT
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Shakey asks "Has anyone ever really been bothered by a dog while climbing?"
Yes.
Two weeks ago at Phobos/Deimos, someone was bitten by a free running dog as his owner was on Blues Riff. Said owner didn't even bother to come down when this happened.
I have seen many dogs freak out when their owners got up high off the ground, and threaten other climbers at the base. These aren't isolated incidents. While some dogs are cool hanging out at the base of climbs, some certainly aren't, and should be restrained. The owners should certainly know what type of dogs they own, and take appropriate measures.
I've also seen dogs go after food left in packs and behave as badly as any marmot.
Not to mention dog fights that ended with bloodshed, and exclamations of "wow, she's usually so quiet! I've never seen her act that way before."
If you can't make sure that your dog will be happy and not harass anyone, don't bring it to the crag. Otherwise your actions are selfish and/or dangerous.
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Matt
Trad climber
SF Bay Area
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2004 - 04:55pm PT
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depends on the dog
depends on the cragg
sadly, not every owner of every dog that might fail the subjective determination will abide by the golden rule, but that is not so different than what happens w/ people and their dogs out there in the rest of 'real life'.
as the lucky owner of a very well tempered and overly loving yellow lab, i can say that we don't even need to tie him up if we do a 3 pitch climb at the leap, because he is gonna chill like an eskimo, but i do think in general it's far more responsible to keep one human on the ground when cragging w/ a pup, for many reasons.
and remember, dogs don't leave dog crap lying around, people leave dog crap lying around...
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Wade Icey
climber
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Jul 15, 2004 - 05:37pm PT
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I think Matt's got it right, especially re:
"and remember, dogs don't leave dog crap lying around, people leave dog crap lying around... "
These are the same people (you know who you are) who shouldn't have dogs anywhere- city or crag.....
I have a very unscientific theory that the people who leave dog crap and uncontrolled dogs laying about the crags and everywhere else are the same people who shouldn't have kids, but do anyway, for the same reasons they have dogs-trendy, TV tells them they should, cool accessory for the SUV- These kids inherit their parents combined sub-normal intelligence and grow up to be the people who leave dog crap and uncontrolled dogs laying about the crags and cigarette butts in jamcracks and probably their own crap behind every tree and base of every rock in the universe....Hmmm
Hoping Darwin is right,
Wade
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BR
Trad climber
The LBC
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Jul 15, 2004 - 05:54pm PT
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I like dogs as much as the next guy, but there's something I've noticed about the majority of dog owners:
Almost every single one thinks that their dog is one of the good ones, certainly not mean, violent, hyperactive, noisy, etc. Almost every time something goes wrong, the owner is shocked and dismayed -- "s/he's never done that before!!"
Ask yourself this: is your dog happier sitting alone at the bottom of a big multipitch while you spend 3-4 hours climbing hundreds of feet above than it would be if you left it at home with a buddy to watch it and play with it?
Can you guarantee that your dog will be sufficiently taken care of if you leave it at the base of the crag? That it has enough food and water, sun and shade? Can you guarantee that the crag will be sufficiently taken care of if you leave your dog at teh base? If you let the dog roam, can you guarantee that it won't leave a big steamer somewhere you won't know to pick it up and carry it out with you?
Go ahead and bring your dog to the crag with you -- if it's one of the good ones, that's cool. But the crags don't belong to you and your dog alone -- if you aren't asking yourself some or all of those questions, maybe you should be ...
br
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Wade Icey
climber
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Jul 15, 2004 - 06:27pm PT
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BR is right on too and brings up a point or two I forgot when I got sidetracked with half-baked theorizing-
My friend Maggiedog has been at the crags and around climbers all her life- she's a pretty good climber but would prefer to chase chipmunks and the occaisional bear, or to sleep in the shade. We've never had an incident with her and like the aforementioned majority, Consider her to be one of the good ones. that said. we never leave her unnattended or off leash at the crags, and when she's with us we only do single pitch stuff, boulder or TR so someone is always belaying her. because-
I'm always afraid she'll tangle with the wrong end of a rattler, or
she'll run off after a bear or a chipmunk (and if my wife has to choose between belaying me and going after Maggie..I'll be soloing).
and lastly, though she's peace loving; she has shown her teeth and got her back up on meeting people she find's unsavory (or maybe it's savory..yum) either way I don't want to clean up the carnage. Never know when a good dog will tangle with a bad person (or a good person eating a hamburger).
raising canus,
Wade
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mike
climber
tahoe city, ca.
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Jul 16, 2004 - 05:31pm PT
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Sherman's dog thimble and Lovelace's dog grigri are examples of cool ass dogs at the crags.I was at ORG a while ago and some dink had a pit bull tied up. This thing wanted to kill anything in site. Pit bulls seem to be the "cool" dog to have now adays.The guy belaying his girlfriend said "hey don't worry about him, he's cool." We were like yeah right. F*$k that. I felt like pimp slaping the bitch right there. Don't bring violent dogs to the crags no matter how cool you think you are. My Aussie is a hella mellow dog, but I still don't want to bother with the dog hassels. Think people think.Dog sh#t around the crags is bad enough.
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