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Klimmer
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 13, 2007 - 01:25am PT
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John Schutt (mountaineer) will become the 2nd winner of the Meteoritical Society's Service Award this summer at the annual meeting in Tucson, AZ.
"John Schutt has probably recovered more meteorites than any single person in history and all his samples have been made available to the world's science community. No individual in history has personally recovered more samples of Mars; in this sense, he is to Mars what Apollo astronauts were to the Moon..."
http://meteoriticalsociety.org/news_display.cfm?code=news_intro&itemID=37
So who else is out there that we know that climbs, and has done wonderful research and work in science? I can think of many.
But it is your turn to call them out and honor them . . .
Edit: This post relates to no other post here. I've decided to hide it in plain sight. It is meant for someone in particular, but the message is to all. Posted the evening of 12-25-10
“Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous.”
― Albert Einstein, The World as I See It
Point One: The Announcement of an Incredible Scientific Discovery
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2010/2011!
My gift to you . . .
I have wanted to say this for a very long time. I’m saying it now.
You will not understand this post completely, but one day you will. One day the World will.
I will not answer any questions regarding this announcement.
I am preemptively posting the truth to protect my family, myself, my friends, and my interests and what I ultimately want to do. I’m fully aware that our phone calls, texts, emails, and all electronic media that goes over the Internet, or goes wireless, or public by any means are stored, can be searched, and then read at will, and we can even be followed and tracked by our government or others who would do wrong. This all occurs contrary to our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. If you do not know the truth of this matter may I suggest you watch -- NOVA: The Spy Factory, and read The Washington Post series called Top Secret America. We are now living in George Orwell’s nightmare.
Sub-point One: Our Constitution and Bill of Rights are Being Violated
NOVA: The Spy Factory
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/spy-factory.html
The Washington Post: Top Secret America - A hidden world, growing beyond control
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a-hidden-world-growing-beyond-control/
NSA Spies on Everyone:
http://youtu.be/TuET0kpHoyM
Edit:
I would never contemplate suicide. I'm a Messianic Jew. I'm a Christian with strong faith, and it is morally and ethically wrong. Our lives are not our own. We have a duty to GOD, our wife, our husband, our children, our families, our relatives, and our friends to always be there for them. I'm in my right mind. I'm content, happy, and I'm a peaceful individual. I'm also in very good health. I take good care of myself. I'm strong. I'm also very careful when I adventure. I only take very calculated risks, with back-ups. I always stay in touch with my immediate family when I do adventure. If anything were to happen to me, please investigate.
Point Two: What I Intend to Do
It takes discoverers to make discoveries, and doing science and making scientific discoveries is not a crime. Some empirical scientific discoveries are very extraordinary and wonderful and go far beyond the priceless scientific worth that the discovery itself possesses, and can do many wonderful things for many, many people. My full discovery falls into this realm. It is fully moral, ethical, legal, legitimate, and right. No laws were broken making my discovery at anytime. I have the moral high ground. It is fair and reasonable and right, (beyond receiving full credit for the discovery and then also being the one whom brought it to full conclusion, both of which only I can claim), to also receive a 15% Discovery Reward/Finder’s Fee for these kinds of discoveries that rise to this level. I intend to do so.
There are good and noble right reasons, and right times in history to keep secrets, and it is the right time now. If things happen as they should, meaning the full scientific discovery is valued accurately and honestly, fair and equitably, and agreements are reached and contracts signed, I intend to give 90% of the Discovery Reward/Finder’s Fee away through a Foundation that I will establish to help fund public education, science education, science research, clean renewable energy production, environmental protection, and to help civil liberty and social justice causes for all. I would like to contribute most of my Discovery Reward/Finder's Fee to benefit all in these regards.
The remaining complete 85% value of the entire discovery, I would like to see used only for and directly by the people, through jobs creation (former yet wonderful programs such as the CCC, YCC, and YACC etc.), funding public education without strings, helping to pay for natural national emergencies etc. It should be used for the poor, and for the poor in heart and spirit, for the sick, as well as other forms of debt relief for middle-class America. 10% of this 85% will be given to Hashem Adonai Elohim as "The First Fruits" to the Nation of Israel.
Recall: The Abrahamic Covenant, which is a a perpetual covenant ...
Gen.12:1-3 (KJV)
[1] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
[2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
[3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Abrahamic-covenant.html
I will be working with the ACLU to protect my interests while negotiating with whom I must negotiate. I must do so to protect my full discovery, my intellectual property, my Constitutional Bill of Rights, and the value of my Discovery Reward/Finder’s Fee that I intend to share in the most appropriate and most meaningful ways possible.
Sometimes we are given an opportunity in our lifetime to make the world a better place and we better face our obligation, our duty, and then do so willingly. Now is my time. Please keep me in your prayers as I go forward and negotiate with whom I must. In the end, everyone will benefit including you.
Sincerely,
Klimmer
“The Peoples’ National Treasure,” is “The Peoples’ Stimulus Package,” is “The Peoples’ Jobs Bill,” is "The Peoples' Occupy America."
—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth
--Pres. Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
Matthew 13: 44-46 (KJV)
Ecclesiastes 5:18-20 (KJV)
Matthew 19: 16-24 (KJV)
Matthew 25:31-40 (KJV)
Luke 12:48 (KJV)
I'm part Ashkenazi, of Jewish ancestry. This is a recent revelation regarding my genetic ancestry. I'm a believer. I believe in Hashem Adonai Elohim, G-d. I believe in Yeshua HaMashiach, the Messiah, Jesus Christ, the Son of G-d. Messiah has come. Messiah is returning again. A Messianic Age is coming upon the Earth in mankind's future. I'm a Messianic Jew. I worship and practice Messianic Judaism, a sect of Judaism. Yeshua didn't come to begin a new religion. He is the next piece of the puzzle. Yeshua is HaMashiach. Jews and Gentiles can worship The Creator in a wonderful way standing together side by side holding hands, just like in the first 4 centuries in Messianic synagogues of the Holy Land in the Middle East, of the period of the early church. Jews however are to remain Jews, Gentiles are not required to keep all of the 613 commandments, only the Noahic Commandments, as well as the 10 Commandments. Again more responsibility is placed on The Jews. It is a burden of love. We should want to do it, not that we have to do it, to be pleasing to G-d.
As in Judaism I believe in deeds, not creeds. Deeds that naturally express themselves from a well of faith in G-d. Mitzvah. Faith without good works is dead, just as The Good Book says.
G-d has a chosen people, The Jews, Israel. He had to work with someone to get the message through to the World. They were chosen from the least of the people on Earth, however, but they have the greatest responsibility. They have carried the water for Hashem for thousands of years. They were responsible for bringing the Word of G-d to the World and through their ancestry and their direct genetic lineage to bring Messiah, Yeshua HaMashiach, to the World. They have. No need for jealousy toward The Jews or the nation of Israel. The Good News is for everyone no matter who you are or your ethnicity or race. It's a gift of Adonai. You can't earn it. It's freely given to you if you want it.
Elohim has a direct plan for Israel, The Jews. Replacement theology is not of G-d. Hashem's covenants are perpetual and eternal. They do not go away ever. However, remember the Abrahamic covenant blessings, go both ways.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Abrahamic-covenant.html
Zechariah 2:8 (Cambridge KJV)
"For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye."
Adonai blesses both The Jews and The Gentiles, depending on how the World and the nations of the World treat the Jews. There is a day coming where all the nation of Israel will be saved and the partial veil is removed. Zech. 12, Zech.13, and Zech.14.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/novemberweb-only/148-11.0.html
http://www.threemacs.org/themes/jewish/answers.htm
The Messianic Seal of the Jerusalem Church
http://www.amazon.com/The-Messianic-Seal-Jerusalem-Church/dp/9652229628/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2GL3DFQ4AXH2G&coliid=IYSOYJV4MFD68
http://www.olimpublications.com/MessianicSeal.htm
The Ways Of The Way: Restoring the Jewish Roots of the Modern Church
http://www.amazon.com/The-Ways-Of-Way-Restoring/dp/1599797631/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y
Point 3: What G-d Expects of the Wealthy -- Take Care of Others
The Bible on the Poor or, Why God is a liberal
http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html
G-d began Social Security way back in the Old Testament with the Nation of Israel . . .
Social justice in Old Testament rules for gleaning
http://butnotlost.blogspot.com/2011/07/social-justice-in-old-testament-rules.html
"When you are harvesting in your field and you overlook a sheaf, do not go back to get it. Leave it for the alien, the fatherless, and the widow, so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. When you beat the olives from your trees, do not go over the branches a second time. Leave what remains for the alien, the fatherless, and the widow. When you harvest the grapes in your vineyard, do not go over the vines again. Leave what remains for the alien, the fatherless, and the widow. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt. That is why I command you to do this."
Deuteronomy 24:19-22
The primary importance of taking care of one's family:
1 Timothy 5:8 ESV
“But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.”
"There's no arguing with this one. If someone does not take care of their own family, they are not even as bad as an unbeliever--they are worse than an unbeliever! Why worse? Because God tells us right in the Bible that we are to take care of ourselves and our families. If a believer does not take care of his own family, he is worse than an unbeliever because he should know better."
http://www.eclecticsite.com/whatdowithwealth.html
Luke 12:48 (KJV)
"For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."
(Mark 10:17:31, Matthew 19:16:30, Luke 18:18-30)
Luke 18:18-30 (KJV)
[18] And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
[20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
[21] And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
[22] Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
[23] And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
[24] And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
[25] For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
[26] And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?
[27] And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
[28] Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee.
[29] And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,
[30] Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
Blessed To Be A Blessing
http://www.christianchallenge.us/Spiritual_Formation/Missions/blessed_blessing.html
"God has entrusted us with much and He expects us to bless others as we have been blessed. Thus our mission's enterprise should be to bless others with the good news of Jesus Christ and share our resources and knowledge with those who have less than we do."
A correct Christian attitude toward wealth . . .
What is the right way to be rich?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow_qrK655C4&feature=related
What to do with Wealth
http://www.eclecticsite.com/whatdowithwealth.html
The FIXX: "How Much is Enough?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xcuGBQWswg
The FIXX: "No One Has to Cry"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok4jkGw1ueA
Proverbs 31:8-9 (NIV)
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
"Stand up for what is right, even if you're standing alone."
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Keith Green - Asleep in the light (poverty)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXUnC3sMN4
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Matthew 25:31-46 (KJV)
[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
2-3-013
America is being judged. Hashem Adonai Elohim has blessed this country greatly for his divine purposes, but as we turn away from G-d, he is certainly sending us Harbigers to wake us up, repent, and return to Him.
“The propitious smiles of heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregard the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained."
--George Washington, Inaugural address 1789
A great book and best seller by Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cahn and DVD:
Book ...
The Harbinger: The Ancient Mystery That Holds the Secret of America's Future (Paperback)
By Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/161638610X/ref=aw_ls__2?colid=2GL3DFQ4AXH2G&coliid=I318DPQJXLLDRG
DVD...
The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment: Is There an Ancient Mystery that Foretells America's Future?
Jonathan Cahn, George Escobar
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1936488191/ref=aw_ls__1?colid=2GL3DFQ4AXH2G&coliid=IGLQR0NN7JOB0
If you have a problem with this interpretation of scripture and revelation, then I suggest a good study into the Jewish Judaic acronym PaRDeS ...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardes_(Jewish_exegesis);
Point Four: Defend The Constitution and The Bill of Rights
The United States Constitution: perhaps man's most noble attempt at self-government. Not perfect by any means, but by far it is better than other attempts at man-made governments. Until GOD returns, it is the best we got. It is worth protecting . . . Support the ACLU and other organizations committed to protecting our freedoms and our Constitution/Bill of Rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Edit: 4-30-11
This is a book everyone must read. It thoroughly discusses how our rights and freedoms, and how our Bill of Rights, are dramatically being weakened and disappearing over the last 10 years and what exactly this means. This is a powerful eye-opening book. Many lawyers, Judges, and the ACLU etc. helped the author to get it, and understand it, and then he put it to words everyone can understand. This book is not just meant for the layman, the people, but anyone who works with our Constitutional law, attorneys etc. will learn a great deal. Perhaps our President should read it. He is a Constitutional Lawyer is he not? You would think he knows this stuff and would abide by the law of our Country (The Constitution and the Bill of Rights) and then protect it as he gave an oath of office to do so. All the Executive Branch, the Judicial Branch, and the Legislative Branch of our government should read this book.
The Rights of the People: How Our Search for Safety Invades Our Liberties [Hardcover]
David K. Shipler (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Rights-People-Search-Invades-Liberties/dp/140004362X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1304186688&sr=1-1
Point Five: What We Should Do as a Nation
Edit: MLK Jr. Day 1-17-11 . . .
Martin Luther King is about world peace, civil rights, civil liberties, and job opportunity, not War. He would not condone the Trillions we spend on the Military-Industrial-Spy complex, blowing up and killing our fellow human beings, and endless War.
The US Government has the duty and the obligation to take care of our own. We are supposed to be a government for and by the people. Spend the Trillions putting people back to work. Bring back the YCC, the YACC, and the CCC. Put men and women back to work taking care of our Natural Heritage, our Wilderness, our State and National Parks. Fix all the decaying infrastructure throughout the nation, fix the roads, the highways. Make newer safer highways where needed.
Point Six: Develop Clean Renewable Energy Resources and Push into Space. There is a Plethora of Resources for Mankind's Benefit in The Asteroid Belt
Push into clean renewable energy resources. Return to space. Go back to the Moon and push onto Mars with "Constellation." Mine the NEAs that threaten Earth and mine the Asteroid belt. There are a plethora of resources there for us to utilize to expand into space. Go get it.
“The asteroids that are potentially the most hazardous because they can closely approach the Earth are also the objects that could be most easily exploited for raw materials. These raw materials could be used in developing the space structures and in generating the rocket fuel that will be required to explore and colonize our solar system in the twenty-first century. By closely investigating the compositions of asteroids, intelligent choices can be made as to which ones offer the richest supplies of raw materials. It has been estimated that the mineral wealth resident in the belt of asteroids between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter would be equivalent to about 100 billion dollars for every person on Earth today. “
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?why_asteroids
http://ngec.arc.nasa.gov/files/ngec_proceedings/speakers/Lewis_Asteroids.pdf
Mining The Sky: Untold Riches From The Asteroids, Comets, And Planets [Paperback] John S. Lewis
http://www.amazon.com/Mining-Sky-Untold-Asteroids-Planets/dp/0201328194/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1295314967&sr=1-1
Neil deGrasse Tyson: The world reacting to a new perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ryIMsibvBlE
http://www.penny4nasa.org/
[Click to View YouTube Video]
This is what I’ve been talking about. We can do this . . .
4/20/2012 @ 7:31PM
Planetary Resources Co-Founder Aims To Create Space 'Gold Rush'
http://www.forbes.com/sites/briancaulfield/2012/04/20/planetary-resources-co-founder-aims-to-create-a-gold-rush-in-space/
Then on 4/22/2012, the day after John Muir’s Birthday, and on Earth Day …
Planetary Resources announced in a very big public way they are getting into private enterprise Asteroid Mining.
Here is the company that is pushing forward to do this: Planetary Resources . . .
http://www.planetaryresources.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/PlanetaryResources?feature=watch
Website Asteroid Mining Mission Revealed by Planetary Resources, Inc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fYYPN0BdBw&feature=player_embedded
Planetary Resources Team Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aozEVAhSkdM&feature=channel&list=UL
My thoughts . . .
Q: Why mine asteroids?
*Abundant Resources in the Asteroid belt.
*Mine the ones that are NEOs/NEAs and that threaten Earth.
*Mining Asteroids off-world means we aren't environmentally harming our "Homeworld." (The Sierra Club and other thoughtful environmental organizations that help protect our planet's health shouldn't have an issue).
*Gets us back to man-based space exploration (as well as more robotics), doing science, and searching for resources (which is all better than shooting at one another or blowing each other up in endless war). We should be doing things that inspire and that we do best.
*This will be incredibly inspirational for all mankind to do so, with huge incentives, spin-off technologies, and benefits for all mankind.
Homeworld (The Ladder) by Yes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2AhjhYWDUM
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.planetaryresources.com/2012/04/the-space-economy-a-modern-day-gold-rush-2/
1-22-13
New company announced its getting into the Asteroid business just like Planetary Resources announced last 4-22-12. The new company is called
Deep Space Industries, Inc.
Asteroid-Mining Project Aims for Deep-Space Colonies
By Mike Wall | SPACE.com
http://news.yahoo.com/asteroid-mining-project-aims-deep-space-colonies-050627126.html
Is Space Big Enough for Two Asteroid-Mining Companies?
by Mike Wall, SPACE.com Senior Writer
Date: 22 January 2013
http://www.space.com/19380-asteroid-mining-spaceflight-competition.html
The startup of two asteroid-mining firms — along with the rise of private spaceflight companies such as California-based SpaceX — is a sign that humanity may finally be taking real steps toward the long-held dream of permanent space settlement, Tumlinson said.
"One company may be a fluke," he said. "Two companies showing up? That's the beginning of an industry."
Point Seven: We Will Have the Same National Debate in our Nation as in India
This is what we should do. We can do a World of Good. So why aren't we?
The Bible on the Poor or, Why God is a liberal
http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html
“The Peoples’ National Treasure,” is “The Peoples’ Stimulus Package,” is “The Peoples’ Jobs Bill,” is "The Peoples' Occupy America."
—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth
--Pres. Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
Here is a deep question. Could something like this be done here in the USA?
Should a Nation such as India, who has recently discovered a vast National Treasure, then use the worth of the treasure to help put Indians to work, and care for their poor, their homeless, those who are hungry, and those who are sick? Or should the Nation state lock-up the wealth and hide it away, along with its worth and value, and then never give like worth to the people of India?
If the people of a Nation give you (the government of a nation) a 1000 kilos of Gold, and ask for like value in money in return from the Nation state, and then they turn around and ask that the money be put to use to put people to work, and to care for those less fortunate, has the Nation state lost any value? Has the Nation state given up its treasures? Has the Nation state acquired debt? I say it hasn't. So why not do this for your people?
Treasure trove of jewels, gold coins worth billions found under Hindu temple
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1019054--treasure-trove-of-jewels-gold-coins-worth-billions-found-under-hindu-temple
You can google more for better articles and even video regarding this incredible discovery. The amount of Gold historical relics and even the size of individual pieces of golden treasure is staggering.
From the article:
“The current market value of the articles found so far by the committee members would be roughly 900 billion rupees ( $20.2 billion),” one temple official who was not authorised to speak to the media told Reuters."
"As estimates of the treasure’s worth rise, a fierce debate is growing regarding what to do with the discovery, in a country where 450 million people live in poverty.
Leaders of the Hindu community want the wealth to be invested in the temple, while many intellectuals, including former Supreme Court judge Justice V. R. Krishna Iyer have suggested it should be used for the public good."
Psalm 24 :1,2
The King of Glory Entering Zion.
A Psalm of David.
" 1 The earth is the LORD’S, and all it contains, The world, and those who dwell in it. 2 For He has founded it upon the seas And established it upon the rivers."
Deuteronomy 10:14
“To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it.”
Point Eight: What I want to See Happen
I would like to see this incredible discovery to be used for all the People of the USA to provide for, and to support, and to protect:
G-d's (Hashem Adonai Elohim) Tithe: 10% to Israel to help build needed bomb-shelters and to renovate bomb-shelters and to care for the People, and the Poor of Israel
To help the Poor
Our freedoms, Our Constitution, and our Bill of Rights.
Natural Disaster and Emergency Relief
Adequately fund Public Education without strings attached.
Good Jobs for Americans.
“The Peoples’ National Treasure,” is “The Peoples’ Stimulus Package,” is “The Peoples’ Jobs Bill,” is "The Peoples' Occupy America."
Proverbs 31:8-9 (NIV)
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
"Stand up for what is right, even if you're standing alone."
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Here, in this incredible WR scientific discovery, Science, Theology, Social Justice, and Activism synergistic-ally fuse together and become one.
This discovery will benefit science with untold pure scientific knowledge of great worth, and as well it will contribute a great deal of inspiration to go even further. And just as importantly, it will directly benefit mankind monetarily to benefit the greatest amount of people, and as well it will benefit the most worthy causes.
This discovery can do all of this.
Further edit:
The post regarding John Muir below needs to be edited. Since I can not edit that post now , too long ago, I'll edit it here. His run in was with Josiah Whitney, not Clarence King.
"Geological studies and theories
Pursuit of his love of science, especially geology, often occupied his free time. Muir soon became convinced that glaciers had sculpted many of the features of the valley and surrounding area. This notion was in stark contradiction to the accepted contemporary theory, promulgated by Josiah Whitney (head of the California Geological Survey), which attributed the formation of the valley to a catastrophic earthquake. As Muir's ideas spread, Whitney would try to discredit Muir by branding him as an amateur. But Louis Agassiz, the premier geologist of the day, saw merit in Muir's ideas, and lauded him as "the first man I have ever found who has any adequate conception of glacial action."[23]
In 1871, Muir discovered an active alpine glacier below Merced Peak, which helped his theories gain acceptance. He was a highly productive writer and had many of his accounts and papers published as far away as New York. Muir's former professor at the University of Wisconsin, Ezra Carr, and his wife Jeanne, encouraged Muir to put his ideas into print. They also introduced Muir to notables such as Emerson, as well as leading scientists such as Louis Agassiz, John Tyndall, John Torrey, Clinton Hart Merriam, and Joseph LeConte.[citation needed]
A large earthquake centered near Lone Pine, California in Owens Valley (see 1872 Lone Pine earthquake) strongly shook occupants of Yosemite Valley in March 1872. The quake woke Muir in the early morning and he ran out of his cabin "both glad and frightened," exclaiming, "A noble earthquake!" Other valley settlers, who believed Whitney's ideas, feared that the quake was a prelude to a cataclysmic deepening of the valley. Muir had no such fear and promptly made a moonlit survey of new talus piles created by earthquake-triggered rock-slides. This event led more people to believe in Muir's ideas about the formation of the valley."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Muir
Not only did John Muir wear many hats and his interests were far-ranging in the natural sciences and environmental conservation, mountaineering etc., but let's not forget perhaps one of the most important aspects of his life and the foundation of his World view . . . He was also a devout man of faith. He believed in GOD, The Trinity. This comes out crystal clear throughout his many writings. He also owned a plethora of copies of The Good Book, The Holy Bible.
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matty
Big Wall climber
Valencia, CA
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Apr 13, 2007 - 01:28am PT
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Obviously Ed
(although I'm not sure of the exact nature of his research, I do know he climbs!)
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kevsteele
climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Apr 13, 2007 - 01:50am PT
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Bill Shockley. Nobel prize winning inventor of the transistor and a Gunkie. First ascent of Shockley's Ceiling in the Gunks (the classic Dick Williams climbing Shockley's naked poster comes to mind...)
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2007 - 02:10am PT
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Ok, I'm going to have to mention John Muir before anyone else does:
rambler
climber
mountaineer
Naturalist
Came to theories that glaciers were a prominant force of nature in sculpting the Sierras and took copious notes on these theories before the Geology community ever came to them. Didn't John have a run in with Clarence King (geologist) over these contraversial ideas at the time?
All around crazy mountain man who climbed big trees, rode an avalanche, danced all night on a mountain top to avoid freezing, slept in a fumerole on Mt. Shasta to avoid freezing to death, and did it all on herbs and tea (I'm probably stretching the truth on the last statement) among many other feats of daring and bravery (or stupidity depending on how you look at it). Just a wild, wilderness fun kind of guy.
Conservationist and preserver of wilderness for many generations to come
Founder of the Sierra Club
Father of the National Park System
Unbelievably gifted writer and author
By the way, it's John's B-Day on April 21st (and mine!)
I have a special place in my heart for John Muir. Would have loved to have met him.
Edit:
http://www.sierraclub.org/john_muir_exhibit/
"John Muir (1838-1914) was America's most famous and influential naturalist and conservationist. He is one of California's most important historical personalities. He has been called "The Father of our National Parks," "Wilderness Prophet," and "Citizen of the Universe." He once described himself more humorously, and perhaps most accurately, as, a "poetico-trampo-geologist-botanist and ornithologist-naturalist etc. etc. !!!!" Legendary librarian and author Lawrence Clark Powell (1906-2001), (anticipating an event that was not to occur until 2006), said of him: "If I were to choose a single Californian to occupy the Hall of Fame, it would be this tenacious Scot who became a Californian during the final forty-six years of his life." "
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Scared Silly
Trad climber
UT
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Apr 13, 2007 - 06:43pm PT
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Well let see if it was not for Bill Shockly - inventer of the transistor the taco stand really would be a taco stand.
Another climber also of note Lyman Spitzer, Jr., Professor of Astronomy at Princeton University, Project Matterhorn - magnetic fusion research which attempts to recreate the conditions on the sun to produce power (This is opposite of fission power currently being used). Many of the early projects where all named after mountains.
Every read a pdf document? Then you can thank John Warnock founder of Adobe. And thanks to him I will be moving into a new building on the University of Utah campus.
Another is Lou Reichardt, rumored to be on the Nobel prize list for his pioneering work in neuron developement.
These are just a few of the folks I can quickly think of. But there are lots of us nerdy types out there who climb - sometimes we even climb hard.
BTW John Muir did not found the NPS. It was created by an act of Congress known as the Organic Act of 1916. Its first director was Steven Mather. I am sure Muir advocated it passage but one would need to read the congressional record to see how involved he might have been.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 13, 2007 - 09:51pm PT
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Henry Kendall,
Lower Cathedral Rock, The Roof, 5.7 A3 FA 1958 w/ Tom Frost
El Cap, East Ledges, East Side, 5.5 A3 FA 1958 w/ Gerry Czamanske
El Cap, East Ledges, West Side, 5.6 A2 FA 1961 w/Bill Pope
Nobel Prize in Physics 1990
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2007 - 10:27pm PT
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The late great Bradford Washburn . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Washburn
"Henry Bradford Washburn Jr. (June 7, 1910 - January 10, 2007) was an explorer, mountaineer, photographer, and cartographer extraordinaire. He was the director of the Boston Museum of Science from 1939-1980, and was its Honorary Director (a lifetime appointment) from 1985 until his death."
--- Not only was he a good mountaineer in the earlier part of his life, he was an extraordinary aerial photographer and a wonderful Cartographer as well. He excelled at the art and science of map making. He was a geologist and a geographer by degree.
I now have an autographed copy of his last book . . .
"Bradford Washburn: An Extraordinary Life . . . The Autobiography of a Mountaineering Icon"
He truly was.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Apr 14, 2007 - 12:44am PT
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Hi Ed,
Here is a picture of Henry Kendall on top of Lower Brother, I believe. Courtesy of Tom Frost.
For some reason I thought he won the Nobel Prize in 1970. I will have to recheck sources.
Ken
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Apr 14, 2007 - 12:56am PT
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Thanks Ed,
I need all the help I can get.
Ken
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Sheets
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 14, 2007 - 03:59am PT
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Almost everyone I climb with has an engineering or science degree.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2007 - 03:54pm PT
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Majid on ST, noted that Charles David Keeling not only did he develope the data for the Keeling Curve was also a mountaineer . . .
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=372134
"Bucking the established scientific wisdom, Keeling wanted to set up his carbon-dioxide monitoring station in just one place, where he could get the cleanest air possible: on top of Hawaii's Mauna Loa volcano.
Despite a lack of enthusiasm from Revelle, Keeling began sampling the air at Mauna Loa in 1958. A few years after the data started coming in, Revelle conceded that his young protege was right — and that the data proved fossil fuels were causing global warming.
The Keeling Curve, as it came to be known, is the cornerstone of global-warming science today. Keeling died in 2005 — but other scientists, including his son Ralph, are continuing his research.
The Keeling Curve is dense, full of dips and spikes. But its visual impact — a steady upward line showing the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide — is simple and stark.
"You can look at [the curve] as a beautiful scientific record," says Ralph Keeling, "or you can look at it as an alarm bell." To many observers, it is both."
Very nice and interesting post Majid.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Dave Goeddel, one of the original Poway Mountaineers, was one of the founders of Genentech. Apparently that whole group just barely lost out on the Nobel Prize back in 1973 or so.
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Watusi
Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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I had the great pleasure to get to guide the late Lyman Spitzer and if I'm not mistaken he was also very influential in the design of the Hubbel Space Telescope. Another of my clients was noted physicist and original Woodson guidebook author Keith Brueckner.
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sonne
Trad climber
CA
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Heinz Pagels - Physicist, president of International League for Human rights and author.
Died in a mountaineering accident, similar to the one described in his book, The Cosmic Code.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2007 - 04:11pm PT
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Eeyonkee (Greg Cameron), "Poway Mountaineer" (aka PMB), and climbs circles around so many of us, is a geologist by degree, and misses the consulting world and doing geology fieldwork. He now manages a programing company (hope I got that right).
;-))
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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One of my grad school profs (who is now the director of the whole program) was on the first US ascent of K2 and the FA of the Kanshung Face of Everest. Rumor was he used to sleep in the cold room to train. When it was his turn to give a slide show presentation to us about his research (as all of the facuty did), he brought some of his Himalayan pics too, much to everyone's pleasure. He said everyone always asks, so he just started including it.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2007 - 04:42pm PT
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Melissa, who would that be? :-))
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Sorry..Lou Reichardt.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I believe Enrico Fermi (Nobel Prize in Physics, 1937) was something of a mountaineer, or at least a mountain hiker. His autobiography "Atoms in the Family" has something about it.
More than a few supertopians seems to be physicists, too. Not to mention any names...
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
Hell on earth wondering what I did to deserve it
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Matisse
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JohnR
Trad climber
State College, PA
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Leo Vietoris
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Vietoris
If you have studied algebraic topology you will know of the "Mayer-Vietoris sequence". Vietoris was drafted into the Austrian (?) army in 1914 and was an army mountain guide. He finished his PhD thesis in a POW camp. Reputedly he gave up climbing on doctors' orders at age 90. He died in 2002, aged 110.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 22, 2010 - 01:44am PT
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I just completed reading a biography of Paul Dirac, The Strangest Man; The Hidden Life of Paul Dirac, Mystic of the Atom by Graham Farmelo (ISBN 978-0-465-01827-7). Some say that Dirac was the greatest British physicist since Isaac Newton. I learned, much to my surprise, that Dirac also climbed. The normal outings in the Lake District, Scotland, etc... but also in the Soviet Union (a very good friend and colleague was Peter Kapitza, and his student Igor Tamm introduced Dirac to climbing while Tamm was studying at Cambridge).
Related was the fact that in 1936 Dirac summitted Mount Elbrus (5,640m) with Tamm and a group of others, by the "eastern side" of the mountain (page 279). That is not the contemporary route, which is from the South Face (see http://www.summitpost.org/mountain/rock/150255/mount-elbrus.html ).
I had attended maybe two or three lectures by Dirac at the New York Academy of Science when I was a student at Columbia U. in the mid to late 1970s, he died in 1984. I don't recall the content of the talks at all, but I could not have imagined Dirac as a climber... he was a person who walked, however, and did quite a lot of walking...
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aguacaliente
climber
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Apr 22, 2010 - 02:05am PT
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Watusi is correct, Lyman Spitzer, who endowed the AAC's Spitzer grants, also originated the idea of placing a telescope in space (first proposed in 1946!!) and was very influential in getting the project that became Hubble Space Telescope approved.
NASA's infrared space observatory is named after him. http://spitzer.caltech.edu/mission/241-Lyman-Spitzer-Jr-
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 22, 2010 - 02:13am PT
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Christof Koch - born in 1956 in Kansas City, Missouri, Christof Koch grew up in Amsterdam/Holland, Bonn/Germany, Ottawa/Canada, and Rabat/Morocco, where he graduated from the Lycèe Descartes with a French Baccalaurèat in 1974. He studied Physics and Philosophy at the University of Tübingen in Germany and was awarded his Ph.D. in Biophysics in 1982. After four years at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Dr. Koch joined the faculty at the California Institute of Technology in 1986, where he is now the Lois and Victor Troendle Professor of Cognitive and Behavioral Biology. He lives with his family in Pasadena.
The author of three hundred scientific papers and journal articles, and several books, Dr. Koch studies the biophysics of computation, and the neuronal basis of visual perception, attention, and consciousness. Together with his long-time collaborator, Francis Crick, he has pioneered the scientific study of consciousness.
Outside of science and writing, Dr. Koch's interests are eclectic. He proudly wears an Apple tattoo indicating his love for the Apple computer which he feels --- together with the Boeing B-747 Jumbo Jet and the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco --- is the most beautiful and elegant artifact of the 20th century. Dr. Koch loves to climb mountains, towers, and big walls.
http://www.questforconsciousness.com/
http://www.klab.caltech.edu/~koch/
Brad Esser
Research Interests
The use of groundwater age-dating, isotope biogeochemistry, and reactive transport modeling to develop better tools for water resource management, especially with regards to groundwater nitrate. The source, transport and fate of metals, radionuclides and nutrients in natural waters and sediments. Inductively-coupled plasma mass spectrometry (ICPMS), including isotope-dilution methods for accurate and precise concentration measurements and isotopic composition studies to elucidate metal sources and geochemical processes.
https://www-pls.llnl.gov/?url=about_pls-scientific_staff-esser_b
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 22, 2010 - 03:04am PT
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Jeff Batten...
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Apr 22, 2010 - 08:49am PT
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Larry Hamilton aka Chiloe - tell us some tales of climate change and its impact on society at northern latitudes. Yo.
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myterious
Trad climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 22, 2010 - 09:48am PT
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I plan on donating my body to medical science, does that count?
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Will Hobbs
Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Apr 22, 2010 - 04:47pm PT
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Jeff Dozier.
Mari Gingery.
Me.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
CA
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Apr 22, 2010 - 05:08pm PT
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a second on Mari,
she is a research biologist at UCLA last i knew...
and is possibly the best, as in could climb the hardest stuff onsight, female rock climber... ever.
yes there have been many who devoted themselves more to competition,
but i can't recall anyone better, that would include destivelle, hill, bensman, and those of that era and before, maybe someone new is better?
Mari always impressed me with her cogent and clear, understated, self.
She is very bright.
edit
and, Marco Bonaiti is a Phd
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 22, 2010 - 08:07pm PT
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Ed mentioned Lester Germer(1896-1971), but I think he needs more recognition. He was a fighter pilot in WWI, and became a well-known physicist, collaborating with a colleague in the Davisson-Germer Experiment showing the wave/particle duality. He started climbing at age 49, and died while climbing in the Gunks.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 22, 2010 - 10:29pm PT
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The mysteries of quantum physics . . .
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matisse
climber
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Apr 23, 2010 - 02:13am PT
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Tom Hornbein
Peter Hackett
Brownie (Robert) Schoene
Steve Ruoss
Peter Bartsch
Robert Naeije
Michael Ward
Andy Peacock
Anabel Nickol
Carmel Schimmel
...almost everyone in the high altitude field.
I'll think of more
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ryanb
climber
Seattle, WA
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Apr 23, 2010 - 02:50am PT
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Leroy Hood grew up in montana and climbed in Yosemite while he was at Cal Tech (inventing the genome sequencer). I once heard him mention a one day ascent of the nose as the peak of his climbing carear.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 27, 2010 - 02:30pm PT
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A quote from a 1963 interview with Werner Heisenberg in Abraham Pais' book Niels Bohr's Times, In Physics, Philosophy and Polity, page 276
"When you do mountaineering.... you sometimes... want to climb some peak but there is fog everywhere... you have your map or some other indication where you probably have to go and still you are completely lost in the fog. Then... all of a sudden you see, quite vaguely in the fog, just a few minute things from which you say, 'Oh, this is the rock I want.' In the very moment that you have seen that, then the whole picture changes completely, because although you still don't know whether you will make the rock, nevertheless for a moment you say, '... Now I know where I am; I have to go closer to that and then I will certainly find the way to go...' So long as I only see details, as one does on any part of mountaineering, the of course I can say all right, I can go ahead for the next 15 yards, or 100 yards, or perhaps one kilometer, but still I don't know whether this is right or may be completely off the real track."
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jstan
climber
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Jun 27, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
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I understand Lester was more than a fighter pilot in the First War. Shot down four or more enemy combatants and so was accorded status as an Ace. Without doubt no one here is old enough to appreciate the crap they had to fly in that war. At the beginning pilots were shooting out their own propellers.
Don Morton an astronomer at Princeton and a climbing buddy of Lyman's.
Willy Crowther who did lasting damage by teaching me to climb made up for it by inventing the first computer game. MIT.
Don't forget Kerwin. No one has mentioned Gill. For shame.
Hans Kraus.
Dirac generally looked as though he was somewhere else. Physics Today had a picture of him in suit and vest. The text opined the picture had been taken right after he had jumped down from a tree on campus. In that picture he looked as though he was actually there.
Bill Zauman
John Bousman. Anyone called him a civil engineer he took offense. Being called civil was an insult.
I had an idea last night while typing into ST. You don't want to hear about it.
Youse guys!
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apples
Boulder climber
Atlanta, GA
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Jun 27, 2010 - 03:56pm PT
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Frances Gulland: director of veterinary medicine at The Marine Mammal Center in Sausalito, CA, co-author on hundreds of publications, author of the CRC Handbook of Marine Mammal Medicine, member or chair of many marine mammal committees including southern sea otter and Hawaiian monk seal recovery teams, advisor to marine mammal commission, advisor to many graduate students, feature in many news stories, articles, and documentaries.
Also, trad and sport climber traveling to many locations to climb with her husband including Tasmania, South America, Canada, and Europe.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jun 27, 2010 - 05:05pm PT
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C. Michael Jefferson, Laser Physicist (retired) IBM Research Center; Ferretlegger on ST. Serious climbing and single handed sailing and racing since mid 1960s. Many patents and publications.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Jun 27, 2010 - 11:12pm PT
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Hey jstan
I've climbed with don Morton and will crowther and took a class from Dirac
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jstan
climber
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Jun 28, 2010 - 01:45am PT
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Mike:
Well, you have seen a good portion of what the earth has to offer IMO.
I tried to locate Don on the net but it at least seems he has retired. If you run into him say I said Hi.
John
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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This is worthy of bumping.
Lots of climbers contribute to science.
It is good to acknowledge this fact and share their accomplishments.
Good read.
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steveA
Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
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Dec 21, 2010 - 05:02pm PT
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I'll mention my son, Mark Arsenault, who earned a PHD from PENN in research on protein motors. He has quite a few publications on the subject and climbed El Cap before attending PENN. He just became the proud father of a baby boy, making me a happy grandfather.
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scuffy b
climber
Three feet higher
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Dec 21, 2010 - 05:04pm PT
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Climbing Is A Succession of Locks
The Haan Maxim
Peter Haan, ca. 1971
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Aya K
Trad climber
New York
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Dec 21, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
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I didn't know Lee Hood was a climber, interesting.
I was published in Science once, but I can't say I've contributed much.
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BBA
climber
OF
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Dec 25, 2010 - 12:51pm PT
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From the Starr King Peak Register, page 76, www.amborncpa.com
"August 10, 1938 Dr. C.R. Wylie Jr., Ohio State University. Came up alone via SE Saddle. Nice climb - nice view."
C.R. Wylie was a mathematician and poet. You never know who will show up climbing solo on Mt. Starr King! Aside from his poetry, his books also include 101 Puzzles in Thought and Logic, Advanced Engineering Mathematics, Foundations of Geometry, and Introduction to Projective Geometry. His poem “Paradox” is quite good. Wylie neatly boxed in his entry, something only one other person did in the registers. Is this a turn of the mathematician’s mind?
and there are lots more like him in the register...
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 25, 2010 - 02:41pm PT
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i came by the name pagels from heinz's widow, elaine, one of the leading scholars in her field. i can't help but draw parallels between the pagels and the sacherers, hoping jan will understand. interesting couples, to say the least.
klim, we can't allow you to rehabilitate yourself with this thread. you're a mad scientist and we all know it. :-D
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 25, 2010 - 02:46pm PT
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Mad, anyway.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 25, 2010 - 04:40pm PT
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probably worth a bump for werner heisenberg, known for discussing physics problems on his way up mountains. coming from a hiking family, himself involved at the heart of the development of quantum physics, controversial for his role in germany during the war, still a man much to be admired, with a remarkable appreciation of music and poetry along with his science.
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jstan
climber
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Dec 25, 2010 - 08:09pm PT
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If I may weigh in on something beyond my experience.
You are living in a nation where people are becoming increasingly angry for no justifiable reason. The politics of the country is going horribly strange.
Your neighbors all say "this can't possibly happen!".
What are you to do?
Stay where all of your family lives and try to blunt the terror to the degree you may.
Or abandon it all and get your ass some place where people are still rational.
Knowing that if it came to war you would be shooting at your brother.
None of us has faced this, right?
Right?
Right?
But if we did, what would you do?
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Dec 25, 2010 - 08:21pm PT
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Steve Smale: extraordinary mathematician, winner of the Fields Medal and the Wolf Prize, climbed in the Tetons around the middle of the 20th century.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 25, 2010 - 09:13pm PT
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Or abandon it all and get your ass some place where people are still rational.
tell me where that would be, jstan.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Dec 26, 2010 - 01:30am PT
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I want to thank Tony for referring me to Heinz Pagels. Heinz published after I drifted away from the world of physics, so I wasn't familiar with him. I can see Tony's comparison of the interests of Heinz and Elaine to those of Frank and I, and while they certainly apply to Heinz and Frank, less so to Elaine and I.
Contrary to the perception created on some of ST's philosophical threads, my professional specialization is not religion but rather, cultural ecology. Religion and philsophy are just personal interests of mine.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Dec 27, 2010 - 01:08pm PT
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Another climber to add to the list is Lawrence Swan a naturalist and ecologist who taught at San Francisco State for 30 years and first went to Nepal to climb and collect specimens around Makalu in 1953. He has written an entertaining book about his time in the Himalayas called, Tales of the Himalaya… Adventures of a Naturalist, which gives really good insight into the workings of evolution and its importance to our understanding of the natural world.
I met Larry Swan a few times when I worked at the California Academy of Sciences and visited his house once with its huge aviaries connected to each other by large wire tunnels. Definitely an interesting character.
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Dec 27, 2010 - 03:45pm PT
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Lots of mountaineering geologists. Here are a few with B.C. connections:
Dick Culbert (Devil's Thumb, Cat's Ears, FWA Waddington, and hundreds of others)
Margaret Rusmore (first women's Annapurna expedition, Denali, some in Coast Mtns)
Peter Thompson (Mt. Fee, Logan)
Jon Jones (the Bugs, Dhaulagiri 1, dozens of FA rock routes)
Karl Ricker (Logan, much in SW BC)
Glenn Woodsworth (Serra 5, University Wall, hundreds of others)
I should probably mention Peter Misch, who climbed extensively in the Cascades, mostly undocumented, but didn't climb in BC as far as I know.
And mathematician Leif-Norman Patterson climbed extensively in North America, Norway, and South America.
There are dozens or hundreds of others.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Dec 27, 2010 - 05:36pm PT
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Matisse
I concurr
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 27, 2010 - 05:44pm PT
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Leif had a doctorate in mathematics from MIT, too.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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May 17, 2019 - 04:09pm PT
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Returning to this important thread ...
Hans Kraus was only mentioned by name in this thread in passing, but now having read a book about him and his accomplishments I'm now very aware of his tremendous accomplishments both in climbing and in the medical field. I'm kind of stunned. He was way ahead of everyone in both endeavors. He specialized in the back primarily and physical fitness. Never knew what kind of an impact he had until I read this great book and the many wonderful reviews from the climbing and medical worlds from people in the know.
He actually healed President JFK's back before he was sadly assassinated and taken from us. President JFK told Hans that he wished he had known Hans many years before and he wouldn't have had to suffer the pain he endured over the many years. It was all kept quiet, (what President wants to admit to medical issues?) but Hans was the doctor and the great climber who did it. He healed him.
Wish I had met Hans. What a wonderful human being. Excelled in climbing and the medical field for back fitness and back pain, and overall fitness.
JFK's Secret Doctor: The Remarkable Life of Medical Pioneer and Legendary Rock Climber Hans Kraus Hardcover – June 15, 2012
https://www.amazon.com/JFKs-Secret-Doctor-Remarkable-Legendary/dp/1616085479/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=hans+Kraus&qid=1558134340&s=gateway&sr=8-5
One review ...
More than meets the eye
December 30, 2012
A physician, myself, I was awed by how far ahead of his time Hans Kraus was. Kraus stressed the importance of core strength and flexibility above all else in preventing back pain, a fact that physicians, even today, can overlook. Kraus also blazed trails in the realm of trigger-point injections, an important aspect of contemporary treatment (though with different materials and methods nowadays). Yet, medical expertise is not a pre-requisite.
A life-long non-climber, myself, I can similarly assure potential readers that expertise in this area is not a requirement, either. That said, just as Kraus could not have imagined his life without climbing, I cannot imagine this book without the author's (expert) recounting of his climbing career.
As icing for this cake, the author provides an inside look at the Kennedy White House that few writers can match. And, in an ironic twist, she reveals how the President's dependence on his back brace might have had unimaginable unintended consequences.
This book is a compelling read, a page-turner, in the manner of a great mystery novel. And - like a great mystery novel - it concludes with a final twist, a surprise ending that I am confident few readers will anticipate.
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