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pc
climber
East of Seattle
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Mar 13, 2007 - 05:35pm PT
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Largo,
I like the original better for the beat. Seems to go well with Donna Lee or Giant Steps. Nice one.
Cheers,
pc
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Mar 13, 2007 - 05:49pm PT
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i have followed along for awhile, and i have had an ephany:
this really is not an interesting thread anymore
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joane
climber
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Mar 13, 2007 - 05:55pm PT
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Wow, that's some file of facts you have, it must be a subject close to your heart. And it does paint a picture , your picture, and a lot of the allegations the pseudonym Magritte poster made were critical in finding fault although I'm not sure it is in the sense of finding the truth.
If it was a black and white picture your looking for then it should at least have some contrasts. But all I see in those posts is black.
It always makes me think a little more when I read posts that are so filled with bits and pieces of inside knowledge of stuff that I haven't heard before that are touted as facts. The sweep of the allegations being spun off in the Magritte posts in particular because they are so detailed and lengthy, could be true, may be true or are not true.
But it's just too hard to believe it all to be honest. I believe based on newsworthy reports of what she's done that Lynn Hill for example, is associated with Patagonia and is a pretty solid climber and credible person . I have no idea who Magritte is.
I'd say checking your sources is as important as standing in judgment in finding fault, especially based on not much analysis and broad, conclusory allegations in targeting one company or one industry. And I agree with other posts that your use of some of descriptions of individuals and companies made up of individuals were scandalous. But that is one person's viewpoint on a "chat" forum.
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Magritte
climber
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:06pm PT
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Joane, don't know what you mean because that was all props to Patagonia. They have had more impact on the outdoor industry than any other I can think of: an apple non an orange. I did drone on about stuff, you're right. But you're basically saying not to pull on Superman's Cape. I said nothing slanderous at all.
P.S. Ron and Lynn will climb better in retirement (whenever that might be?) than most people will at career peak.
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Scared Silly
Trad climber
UT
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:08pm PT
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Magritte said:
"When someone is climbing at the level of Ron or Lynn or the others, they DON'T have the time to have office jobs. "
Moose Balls! See post #162. Plently of folks doing this and they have real jobs.
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vegastradguy
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:09pm PT
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nice thread. okay, i actually called Patagonia and got the actual information from the company.....
Dean Potter and Steph Davis have parted ways with Patagonia. (no, i do not have the reasons behind it)
In addition, Katie Brown has also left (again, i do not have reasons)
The rest of the ambassadors are still around....so, there you go.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:11pm PT
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I like Blanco's post and think he hit the nail on the head.
Good info and a really good objective analysis.
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bonin_in_the_boneyard
Trad climber
Sittin' on the dock by the bay...
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:15pm PT
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Oh my God! Information! I could weep!
Thanks, Vegas
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:15pm PT
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might be spin control
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bonin_in_the_boneyard
Trad climber
Sittin' on the dock by the bay...
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:20pm PT
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Oh for sure, but it's worlds better than, "If this is true than I think...."
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pcousar
Sport climber
White Salmon, WA
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:32pm PT
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"You NEED profit to live"
obviously tahoe climber was not a business major. Ever heard of a 501C3?
profit = revenues - cost of materials - cost of labor;
cost of labor is what folks get paid to live on. profit is what the owners of the company pocket, beyond their salary.
companies that make clothes in asia, and then squawk about 10% back to the environment are full of sh#t. There is little that is socially progressive about patagonia.
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randomtask
climber
North fork, CA
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:37pm PT
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Magritte: I grew up in Cascadel, the dirt road to the right of the Cascadel Arch ( kinda like delicate arch!) There is a decent boulder at the bottom of the falls, sure you've seen it if you go down there. Do you live in cascadel? Not trying to keep anything secret, just not advertising on a thread w 200+ hits. E mail me if you want to know where.
-JR
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labrat
Trad climber
Nevada
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:39pm PT
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I emailed Patagonia and got back a reply today.
Hi Erik,
Thank you for your email. No, no truth. Here's the link to the article that was published this morning.
Have a good day!
Nikki
Patagonia Customer Service
http://www.snewsnet.com/cgi-bin/snews/08273.html
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:51pm PT
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hirigger's posts by themselves were not worth trusting, since their only two posts ever were on this thread.
But the "confirmation" by Ain't no flatlander, quoting Lynn Hill, made it seem credible to many people here, since Ain't no flatlander has a posting history here and seems to know some well known climbers.
Mar 10, 2007, 08:01am PST
Ain't no flatlander
> Not a troll. Lynn was at the BRC on Thusday and confirmed that all the athletes lost their sponsorship.
They also seem to dislike Patagonia, given their later comment about Melinda Chouinard. So I guess they decided to troll/lie to attempt to hurt Patagonia, and possibly they were in collusion with hirigger from the start. I don't see other trolling in previous posts by Ain't no flatlander, though, so it's not obvious what their story is.
Another possibility is that they were very inaccurate when they said "all the athletes" and somehow meant this to only refer to Dean, Steph and Katy. But this seems unlikely, since they were quoting Lynn Hill, who is one of the sponsored athletes, although possibly not one of the athletes?
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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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Mar 13, 2007 - 06:55pm PT
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So that's it or are we going to see everyone else go when their contracts are over? Patagonia PR, please answer this question.
(Small details can be big things...)
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piquaclimber
Trad climber
Durango
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Mar 13, 2007 - 07:04pm PT
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I just got off the phone with Patagonia Customer Service.
Dean, Steph, and Katie have not renewed their contracts. No other comments were available.
Brad
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michaellane
climber
Spokane, WA
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Mar 13, 2007 - 07:19pm PT
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John Long, in the throes of a nic-fit, wrote:
“The result was a faux spontaneous wheat grass yubba dub concoxion of orgainc burgers and precious new age mottos declaring most anything that will vouchsafe their current stand as being the nee plus ultra of organic swank spiritual back room hand job tomfollery, all for the price of the 100 organic underware, surely a steel at twice the price.”
It's like Dr. Thompson's back at the typewriter on a newfound amphetamine-laced steroid you take from an eyedropper. That is some pure, damn poetry. Best post of 2007 to date.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Mar 13, 2007 - 07:33pm PT
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Good to hear that not all were let go/left and that the program is still in place.
I still find it amazing that you guys think these people aren't getting paid good $$$ from Patagucci. Highly confused.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 13, 2007 - 07:36pm PT
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RE:
"it's like Dr. Thompson's back at the typewriter on a newfound amphetamine-laced steroid you take from an eyedropper. That is some pure, damn poetry. Best post of 2007 to date."
I thought it was amazing too.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Mar 13, 2007 - 07:37pm PT
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John has a number of excellent observations.
I love Patagonia stuff because the stuff I bought 20 years ago is still being used. So while expensive, it wears like iron (probably iron wouldn't have lasted as long).
The Chouinard catalog thing is wonderful in that it reminds me of the thing they did in the 70's. Probably done well enough so that you never minded being sold something, which is the point of sending the stuff out... while not deeply intellectual, intelligent enough to be interesting to open up and look through. I skipped a lot of the environmental rants...
...but it is a business, and the problem with using authentic people is that they do authentic things which could run into trouble with the authorities. Do they really have any choice in appearing to condone the recent actions of some of their climbing ambassadors by keeping them on? I mean, weren't you all offended by the "f*#k aid climbing" comment on the "freeing" of the WFLT video!
Seriously though, it's a business. They don't owe people anything... even if they appropriate their authenticity... people send photos and participate in the catalog thing mostly for the notoriety, the fame, such as it is.
Bidness is bidness, as they say.
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