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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 26, 2019 - 06:13pm PT
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This is not a political thread.
This is not a religious thread.
Honest question for research regarding JFK JR.
Doesn't matter where you are politically. I happen to be a conservative independent, but JFK JR., comes from the most famous family in the Democratic party. I honestly really like the guy. Seems to me he is a really smart, likeable great guy and he turned into a really decent human being. He didn't want to be well known and famous as a Great man, he wanted to be well known as a Good man. His words.
I can find many images of the late(???)-great JFK JR, that show him from a young boy to a married husband that show him:
*skiing
*sailing
*hiking
*biking
*playing football in the park
*playing Frisbee in the park
*roller blading
*horse-back riding
*sea kayaking
*SUP (?)
*Swimming
*paragliding
*flying as a private pilot
Seems that he is the kind of guy that would love to climb: rock, snow, or ice. I'm sure he would have given it a go. Does anyone know if he ever did climb at all? Can't seem to find any pictures of him doing so. Perhaps maybe someone here at ST knows if he did or not???
I would like to know.
Now, there is a famous Mountain named after his assassinated father President John F. Kennedy, in the Coastal Saint Elias Range in the Yukon: Mount Kennedy (14,108'ft).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kennedy
And JFK JR.'s famous Uncle Robert F. Kennedy, the brother of JFK, made the first ascent/climbed it with Jim Whittaker in 1965, before Robert was assassinated.
A movie has been made about this climb:
https://www.seattletimes.com/pacific-nw-magazine/robert-kennedy-and-jim-whittakers-lofty-friendship-recounted-in-siff-film/
Return to Mount Kennedy - Trailer
https://vimeo.com/268848753
Anyway, any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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joe boy
Trad climber
california
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Apr 26, 2019 - 06:18pm PT
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Robert Kennedy was his brother
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2019 - 06:25pm PT
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We are talking about THE SON of JFK.
That would be JFK JR.
Robert F. Kennedy was JFK JR.'s famous uncle, who became a father figure after his father was assassinated. In a way very sadly, JFK JR. had 2 fathers assassinated. :_(
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2019 - 06:50pm PT
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Jim Whittaker took RFK and RFK's family out on excursions (climbing?) and skiing after the famous ascent of Mount Kennedy before RFK's assassination.
So I am getting so very close. RFK took John-John skiing too. There are pictures of that. But climbing??? Not sure.
I'm thinking being as athletic as John-John is he would have tried climbing especially since his Uncle at least did some mountaineering and even happened to bag a first ascent.
That's pretty cool that RFK did that. He really was a 2nd father figure to John-John.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Apr 26, 2019 - 07:15pm PT
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You should start your search with the college outing clubs of the northeast.
regardless of photographic proof, almost every crusty program had events that included top rope climbing.
I would suggest that the activity pointed out his dislike for activities that were hard, needed to be practiced in order to gain proficiency, took stamina and offered no valuable results. At least learning to fly a plane, gaining certifications & license, would allow him to take himself places.
 climbing up things is hard and that family was notoriously not
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 26, 2019 - 10:23pm PT
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Did you search John-John Lembert Dome yet?
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2019 - 07:46am PT
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I honestly would like to know if JFK JR. ever climbed.
I know his famous Uncle Robert F. Kennedy who was also his father figure for a short while after his father was assassinated climbed, having gone on an expedition to do the first ascent of Mount Kennedy, named after John-John’s father, President JF Kennedy.
Robert Kennedy climbed with the first American to summit Everest, the famous Jim Whittaker.
Robert Kennedy took and taught John-John skiing.
Also in the article link above in the thread, Jim Whittaker says that his friendship with the Kennedy’s continued even after the climb of Mount Kennedy and John-John got skiing lessons also from Jim Whittaker. The families would get together often. So John-John had ski lessons from the first American to ascend Mt. Everest. And he had his famous Uncle and second father figure Robert Kennedy having at least climbed in the remote St Elias Mountains having done a first ascent. That is all very close to what I’m talking about and also very cool indeed.
But did John-John himself ever try climbing? Did he ever rope-up? Did Jim Whittaker ever put him on a rope or even a top rope? Would be interesting to know.
Regarding JFK JR.’s flying ability ...
It is misinformation and very untruthful to say that JFK JR. was not a good pilot. The truth of the matter is that he was a very good, safe, and a meticulous pilot. All his instructors say so.
Read the book:
John Koerner, Exploding the Truth: The JFK, Jr. Assassination
https://www.amazon.com/Exploding-Truth-JFK-Jr-Assassination/dp/1785358847/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?crid=Y28A3IKNRODN&keywords=jfk+jr+books&qid=1556432465&s=gateway&sprefix=jfk+jr&sr=8-10
Listen to the interview with the author of the book, John Koerner. He talks about JFK JR. having made the exact flight he supposively crashed doing, having practiced the flight like 17 times IFR and a vision blocking hood and passing the exam with his instructor very successfully and very safely in the same plane.
The interview with author Professor John Koerner:
https://shows.pippa.io/5b7eee3536bf3f4166bc8c11/episodes/jfk-jr-assassination-john-koerner?autoplay=1
Like so many pilots John-John loved to fly. He got into flying powered parachutes/paraglider having owned a one-seater, and also a two seater. Flying gave him the peace and the privacy he desperately wanted and needed too. His wife really enjoyed going flying with him also.
JFK Jr John F. Kennedy Jr FIRST Solo Flight in a Powered Parachute
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a_gNROmS-6Q
FLYING TRULY WAS HIS PASSION
By MICHAEL DALY
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
JUL 18, 1999 | 12:00 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/archives/nydn-features/flying-passion-article-1.840775
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 28, 2019 - 08:42pm PT
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Yawn
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2019 - 03:15pm PT
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It sure seems that JFK, RFK, and JFK JR. are surrounded by very well known climbers in their lives ...
Could JFK JR. have ever climbed? Maybe just even a little bit?
Someone has got to know.
JFK's Secret Doctor
The Remarkable Life of Medical Pioneer and Legendary Rock Climber Hans Kraus
by Susan E.B. Schwartz
https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/jfk-s-secret-doctor-4
Yvon Chouniard writes the Foreward and knew Hans Kraus and even had him work on his aches and pains. Very interesting. Looks like a good read.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2019 - 03:40pm PT
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Those of you who think JFK JR. wasn't a good pilot must certainly think that his last supposed flight was his fault, as told by the media and the NTSB.
However, the facts show otherwise. Read the above sources and listen to the interview with the author of the book -- Professor John Koerner.
It was an assassination, not a flying accident. He was purposefully killed in flight. The plane exploded by an altitude triggered bomb more than likely. Once you start to descend it goes off.
Now what if JFK JR. discovered through his secret service that he was to be assassinated by a discovered bomb that was planted on his aircraft before the event? Could JFK JR. and his wife, and his sister in law still be alive?
This is hardly yawn material. Lol. Books and movies will be written about this once the full truth is completely known. The world will be utterly amazed and woken-up all at once.
I could prove it to you but then it starts drifting into politics. And how dare we talk about that ...
Did JFK JR. ever climb? I wonder??? I bet he did and he has climbed or at least has tried it. Who knows maybe he has experienced it since July 16, 1999? I know he has done SUP since that time. And the evidence shows he still continues to fly.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Apr 29, 2019 - 05:29pm PT
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Clearly, he was trying to fly his plane into the WTC, but missed. :-)
Back "on topic", I'm pretty sure Caroline has not done any significant rock climbing.
Actually none of this is relevant to climbing.
You might as well wonder if Jimmy Hoffa or Abe Lincoln climbed?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Apr 29, 2019 - 07:27pm PT
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YO, YES HE LIKED TO ROCK CLIMB & HIRED "GUIDES"
WHAT A WEAK THREAD !
1ST CHECK THE BROWN OUTING CLUB,(Photos?)
THEN THINK ABOUT SOMEWHERE WHERE RICH & FAMOUS PLAY WITH ANONYMITY,
THEN ASK YOURSELF WAS THERE A SMALL ORIGINAL GUIDE WHO HAD THE IN AT THAT PLACE?
& REGULARLY GOT THE CALL TO SET TOP ROPES FOR VIPS,,,,(1984+85)
OR....
THEN IF YOU WERE AT ALL SERIOUS YOU COULD USE THE GOOGLE,(to find the passage below LIKE I DID!sukit"The fact is, if you compare him to a bunch of his cousins, John wasn't reckless at all," said Harrison Lee Rainie, author of "Growing Up Kennedy" and an editor at U.S. News & World Report. "He was less competitive, less spit-in-the-eye-of-the-devil. He liked rock-climbing and kayaking, but I don't think he bought into that whole Kennedy notion of tempting fate."
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• In the end, it was JFK Jr.'s personality that sold copies of George.
He was a reckless adventurer.++! ~-thus his use of discreet "private instructors"
...with a love of the outdoors.
He paraglided, scuba dived,
and even tried to rappel down Mt. Rushmore before he was rebuffed by park officials.
It was his penchant for adventure that made his loved ones expect him to have survived the plane crash in 1999. |
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Apr 30, 2019 - 02:36am PT
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This is hardly yawn material. Lol. Books and movies will be written about this once the full truth is completely known. The world will be utterly amazed and woken-up all at once
yeah, get woke
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 30, 2019 - 09:53am PT
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Regarding JFK JR.’s flying ability ...
It is misinformation and very untruthful to say that JFK JR. was not a good pilot. The truth of the matter is that he was a very good, safe, and a meticulous pilot. All his instructors say so.
Yeah, we all behave when daddy is watching. Flight into known IFR conditions by a non-IFR
rated pilot is not only STOOPID it’s also illegal!
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 10:17am PT
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Well duh. What kind of pilot takes off with a bomb aboard? He’s as dumb as uncle Joe.
Professor John Koerner is very well on track with his book. He can very well prove that the evening of July 16th, 1999, with JFK JR., his wife, and sister-in-law did not happen as the media nor as the NSTB portrayed it -- a reck-less pilot and plane crash. That didn't happen.
JFK JR wasn't reckless. He was a very good and safe pilot. Listen to the interview. His instructors all said so. He had done the same flight 17 times, and even under IFR with a visual shield and passed very successfully with an instructor with his new plane. He had already accrued over 1000 hours of piloting flight in multiple aircraft.
Eye-witnesses saw the explosion of the aircraft on the evening of July 16, 1999.
But what Professor John Koerner doesn't know is that secret service protecting John had found an explosive device on John's plane. They told him "They" the Deep Cabal, were trying to assassinate him. He was saved and warned.
The counter plan was hatched. This evil wouldn't ever stop unless the Deep Cabal could be fooled into believing their assassination attempt to take out JFK JR. had actually worked.
John F. Kennedy JR, and his wife, and their children are still very much alive. I can prove it, but then we would be getting into politics, and apparently we can't talk about that kind of stuff here at ST.
I would love to be given the chance to prove it.
I think he will be VP and then onto becoming President of the USA. I love the fact that he is a very good man. He is very likeable, very brave, smart, has been fighting for our nation in a very big big way behind the scenes, and he is a man of outdoor adventure sports and is he willing to take some level of risk. Looks like he has done some climbing too! (Thanks Gnome). Also he is a man of deep faith and conviction. I admire all these traits and personal characteristics of JFK JR.
Things are turning around very positively for our nation now. B'H.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Apr 30, 2019 - 12:27pm PT
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Klimmer. Thanks for the research and links making this a valuable thread.
Obviously a conspiracy theory thread with a climbing slant to it.
I enjoy your work, even though I'm not into it.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 01:17pm PT
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Good news ...
Yes, they wanted to assassinate him and it was made to look as though they were successful, this was done to protect JFK JR. and his wife, but they were not successful. He duped the evil Deep State cabal. Long term plan. He is beginning to reveal himself publically. Many patriots now know that he, his wife, and his sister in law are very much alive. He now has grown teenage children too.
JFK JR. is still very much alive. He still flies and I know that he has gotten into SUP also. He is quite the adventurer. I would imagine he is very much like a lot of us. We all love the outdoor adventure sports especially climbing. He does too. Very cool :))
From the article:
Remarkable Risk-Takers: A Clan Chooses the Edge
By Michael Grunwald
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, July 19, 1999; Page A1
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/jfkjr/stories/jfk071999.htm?noredirect=on
"John F. Kennedy Jr. did not only fly single-engine planes, he also owned a motor-powered paraglider that looks like a contraption out of a Willy Wonka movie. He loved to kayak in rough waters and scuba dive in deep seas. On a recent trip to South Dakota, he even asked park officials if he could rappel down Mount Rushmore. They said no, too dangerous."
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Yesterday on NBC's "Meet the Press," historian Doris Kearns Goodwin told his mother's story about John crying on the ski slopes as a little boy. His uncle Bobby came over and said: "Kennedys don't cry." To which John replied: "This Kennedy cries."
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"The fact is, if you compare him to a bunch of his cousins, John wasn't reckless at all," said Harrison Lee Rainie, author of "Growing Up Kennedy" and an editor at U.S. News & World Report. "He was less competitive, less spit-in-the-eye-of-the-devil. He liked rock-climbing and kayaking, but I don't think he bought into that whole Kennedy notion of tempting fate."
He has proven to many of us that he is very smart, very brave, and also a great patriot that loves our country dearly and he is doing incredible work behind the scenes to save it.
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brotherbbock
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So-Cal
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Apr 30, 2019 - 01:47pm PT
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JFK JR. is still very much alive. He still flies and I know that he has gotten into SUP also. He is quite the adventurer. I would imagine he is very much like a lot of us. We all love the outdoor adventure sports especially climbing. He does too. Very cool :))
He actually died in 1999 you kook.
This is not a climbing thread, it's a way for you to talk more conspiracy theory without getting banned from the forum.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 02:22pm PT
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C'mon you guys. It's climbing. It's history. It's about research for the truth, and I would say its pretty darn interesting. If you don't think so then you must be asleep under a rock. Lol.
50 years ago, RFK humbled to climb Mt. Kennedy with Whittaker party
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2015/mar/26/50-years-ago-rfk-humbled-climb-mt-kennedy-whittaker-party/
RFK was the one to be given the honor of stepping onto Mount Kennedy first. He got the first ascent. That is pretty awesome ...
"Robert Kennedy and Barry Prather traverse the Cathedral Glacier en route to the base of Mount Kennedy in March 1965. In a climb led by Jim Whittaker, RFK would become the first person to reach the summit of the Canadian peak named in memory of his brother, President John F. Kennedy. Poking out of their backpacks are wands they could use to mark their return route on the featureless glacier in the case of a whiteout. (Jim Whittaker / Whittaker Family Collection)"
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Apr 30, 2019 - 02:41pm PT
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Here's a very good case study video about what happens when flying VFR into IMC without an instrument rating......
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Edited to add: For you non-aviation persons, VFR is visual flight rules, meaning you can see where you're going, have a horizon and can see the ground. IMC is instrument meteorological conditions, meaning limited visibility, no horizon, etc. Instruments, including a gyro, provide references so the pilot can tell the actual attitude of the plane. People have crashed planes just flying through a cloud...
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 03:03pm PT
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But RFK didn't crash his plane.
Barry, and especially his mother Lou, were friends of mine.
I'm also talking about big influences in JFK JR.'s life.
Big influences in JFK JR's Life:
*Obviously his father President JFK although he didn't know his father for very long sadly. JFK has a mountain named after him. Pretty cool to have a mountain named after your father. Not many people can say that. (Although I'm sure he would rather have had his father in his life rather than a mountain named after him.)
Also a very important person in President JFK's life was "The Remarkable Life of Medical Pioneer and Legendary Rock Climber Hans Kraus." He helped JFK's back problems tremendously.
* His Uncle RFK. RFK was like his second father. Turns out he helped teach JFK JR. to ski and then also RFK did a first ascent on Mount Kennedy. He was a climber to a small degree. Big influence in JFK JR's early life.
* Jim Whittaker, 1st American too ascend Everest, spent time with RFK family and with John-John also. He spent time teaching John-John to ski. I still wonder if he ever put JFK JR. on a rope to teach him a bit about climbing? President JFK gave a honorary medal to Jim Whittaker for being the first American to ascend Everest.
Many more people were influences no doubt. But some climbers were definitely early influences in JFK JR's life. That is pretty darn cool.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 03:59pm PT
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Definitely will have to see this documentary ...
Interesting story for sure. Jim Whittaker knew the Kennedy family very well.
Documentary:
Return to Mt. Kennedy
http://www.mtkennedy.com/
They are doing screenings now. Hopefully at some point they will release it on DVD.
Post screening interview with Jim Whittaker by some school youths:
JIM WHITTAKER of "Return to Mount Kennedy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3OsZf81AS4
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Apr 30, 2019 - 09:17pm PT
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Give it up fake Klimmer2.0. It's bullshit and it's political and it's stupid.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 10:47pm PT
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I’m real. No Bovine Dung. It’s climbing. It’s history. If you think it’s not interesting then you must live under a rock, and perhaps the brain is inebriated.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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killmer, oops Klimmmer, the silly aside, the H Kraus recommended exercises are great & the -injection"Trigger Point" therapy treatment? not so much,
but, fit your profile...
In Somewhat of a twist
I climbed with Hans K (And Fritz W)at the same crag John-John climbed at
& Save yourself some coin, the 2 books are almost the exact same, just the 1st & 2nd printings of the same text.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2019 - 10:30am PT
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Gnome,
You're a wonderful resource and person thank you. I'll just buy the latest book :))
Apparently you know so much more about the whole issue at hand having climbed with these famous climbers who knew John-John very well too. You know more than you let on ... ;)
You have given out great leads ...
Gnome Ofthe Diabase quotes on this particular subject:
You should start your search with the college outing clubs of the northeast.
regardless of photographic proof, almost every crusty program had events that included top rope climbing.
I would suggest that the activity pointed out his dislike for activities that were hard, needed to be practiced in order to gain proficiency, took stamina and offered no valuable results. At least learning to fly a plane, gaining certifications & license, would allow him to take himself places.
climbing up things is hard and that family was notoriously not
YO, YES HE LIKED TO ROCK CLIMB & HIRED "GUIDES"
WHAT A WEAK THREAD !
1ST CHECK THE BROWN OUTING CLUB,(Photos?)
THEN THINK ABOUT SOMEWHERE WHERE RICH & FAMOUS PLAY WITH ANONYMITY,
THEN ASK YOURSELF WAS THERE A SMALL ORIGINAL GUIDE WHO HAD THE IN AT THAT PLACE?
& REGULARLY GOT THE CALL TO SET TOP ROPES FOR VIPS,,,,(1984+85)
OR...
THEN IF YOU WERE AT ALL SERIOUS YOU COULD USE THE GOOGLE,(to find the passage below LIKE I DID!sukit
killmer, oops Klimmmer, the silly aside, the H Kraus recommended exercises are great & the -injection"Trigger Point" therapy treatment? not so much,
but, fit your profile...
In Somewhat of a twist
I climbed with Hans K (And Fritz W)at the same crag John-John climbed at
& Save yourself some coin, the 2 books are almost the exact same, just the 1st & 2nd printings of the same text.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Klimmer, I’m curious why you’re so interested in JFK Jr. He just seems another
born-with-a-silver-spoon-in-his-mouth bloke.
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rockanice
climber
new york
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In the late 80s or early 90s a friend of mine invited me to join him for some kind of AAC member induction dinner held at the Explorer's Club in NYC. Ritzy place with a Polar Bear in the foyer, and the guest speaker was Jim Whittaker. We didn't know it, but he was slated to present a talk and slide show about his guiding Robert Kennedy Sr to the summit of Mt Kennedy.
The room was packed for Jim's show and my friend and I were somehow seated at a table by ourselves with about four or five other empty chairs.
At a member induction dinner, you'd think my friend would have been able to have some dinner conversation with other members or inductees, but unfortunately the poor guy was just stuck with me. The evening progressed and it was almost time to hear about Jim's adventures with RFK Sr, when suddenly JFK Jr whisks into the room with an entourage trailing him just as Jim begins. This whirlwind descends on our empty table and they plunk themselves down with John-John in the middle and his minions strategically flanking him on either side as a buffer to any unwanted conversation from the rabble (me and my buddy ) As they sat, we were silent while Jim spoke, acknowledging the newcomers with a couple of nods here and there as we quickly became the minority faction at the table.
Photos of RFK are projecting up onto the screen, and Jim recounts the tale of their ascent and the safeguarding of his charges. In the dark of the room the light from the slides illuminated the faces in attendance.
Admittedly, I took a couple of surreptitious movie star glances across the table at our famous guest, listening to the story of his famous uncle as he summitted the mountain again up on the screen. I think I remember Jim had good things to say about RFK's pluck and determination.
Meanwhile JFK Jr, evidently the family member tapped to attend this Kennedy themed show, had pretty much worked it out to allow the minimum for time expenditure towards this effort to represent the clan.
Obviously, he wasn't there to socialize with us, but I guess I was still a little surprised when shortly after the lecture, the whirlwind arose again and they breezed out of the room much as they had come in.
In the short window he was there, I had asked him if he had ever been climbing. The answer was, No.
Who knows, that could have changed ? The climbing gyms were just on the horizon at that time, and he may have pulled some plastic somewhere, or even touched real rock in subsequent years.
I like to think I had a profound impact on his climbing career.
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rockanice
climber
new york
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Gnome said he climbed, so maybe a "yes" answer would have meant an actual conversation.
He wasn't interested in that...
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Well, this is pretty exciting stuff! I'm glad the polithreads have been banished, leaving an empty space to be filled with new and provocative material.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Wha ? (1st I have no opinion as to whether JFK Jr is alive or dead)
While ""Jon-Jon"" was at Brown, the outing club did overnights where one of the activities that everyone participated in was top roping. They also roasted marshmallows over a campfire & drank beer.
While staying at the Mohonk Mountain house where the average age of the other guests is 80, there were a few youth-oriented special activities offered. These included horseback riding & VIP guest were often offered a chance to top rope.
Jon Ross was extremely well connected he would often "babysit" these VIP outings. More Specifically, while I was not there, I remember Jimmy M having been included in some VIP days at Sky Top. These were special privileged opportunities, giving out information, per: any full names was not going to happen.
If Jon-Jon was at the Adventures club event it seems to be very likely that his interests included climbing type activities. That he denied climbing at that sort of gathering is not surprising, he had been top roping & rappeling a few times.
JFK Jr did not want to go into politics. He started a "GQ/Cosmoe" type magazine called "George" that was going to be a liberal mouthpiece to try to satisfy the big & small "D" liberals who wanted to force Jon-Jon to run for political office.
He dated one girl for over ten years, it was rumored, (but well accepted) that his mom did not approve. He took up with a similar physical type who came from a more appropriate & socially elite family; so more acceptable to his mother.
Edit; 5/5//19, 5/6/19
It bothers me that my youtube feed is now getting crap recommended
I am getting BS conspiracy stuff & "phaux propaganda, as well as much more "stuff" geared toward those who are the low & un-educated types, who have given up thinking for themselves & are falling in line as did the German population, did in the 1930s.
When the lies keep verifying guilt,
when every statement fails to be honest
when falsehoods/fake facts are held up as real, and facts/truths called fake:
you as a thinking person need to look at why it is,
who is the recipient of favor,
why scapegoat the weakest in society
everyone needs to learn about the rise of fascism
please check out
Timothy Snyder's writings about the threat & the rise of totalitarianism
http://timothysnyder.org/
Timothy Snyder Speaks, Ep. 1:
Russia Defeats America
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej_D0YkDjy8
Video for timothy snyder youtube▶ 13:45
Nov 9, 2017 - Uploaded by Timothy Snyder
In the first episode of "Timothy Snyder Speaks," historian and author Timothy Snyder discusses the lessons ...
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 12:
The Mueller Investigation
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNggxMag_HY
Video for timothy snyder youtube▶ 17:31
May 26, 2018 - Uploaded by Timothy Snyder
The Mueller investigation is not a contest of men but of principles. It is a contest between two ways of seeing the ...
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 15:
The Rule of Law
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6fpu_9S31c
Video for timothy snyder youtube▶ 15:25
Jun 30, 2018 - Uploaded by Timothy Snyder
What is it that precedes politics, underlies our constitution, and gives us a chance to be prosperous and free ...
The Road to Unfreedom
Timothy Snyder
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p03X8Vk7zdI
Video for timothy snyder youtube▶ 42:31
May 9, 2018 - Uploaded by CID Harvard
Global Empowerment Meeting (GEM18), April 17-18, 2018 Keynote Session: The Road to Unfreedom: How our ...
Timothy Snyder: One Road to Unfreedom or Many?
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-a_VqtgRK0
Video for timothy snyder youtube▶ 1:27:23
Dec 10, 2018 - Uploaded by Filozofická fakulta Univerzity Karlovy
Across the globe, the tenets of democracy are under attack and the popularity of illiberal political forces is ...
Timothy Snyder - The Road to Unfreedom
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI_ak30tFyg
Video for timothy snyder youtube▶ 2:00:05
Nov 13, 2018 - Uploaded by De Balie
Democracy and the rule of law in Western societies are under threat due to Vladimir Putin's efforts to ...
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 11: Much More Than Collusion
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJe4NlOjAJo
Video for timothy snyder youtube▶ 15:50
May 12, 2018 - Uploaded by Timothy Snyder
To speak of "collusion" is to misunderstand the Russia story. To understand Trump as an instrument of Russian ...
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 16: The European Union
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nziEATOj5Yk
Video for timothy snyder youtube▶ 20:37
Jul 7, 2018 - Uploaded by Timothy Snyder
The European Union is the largest economy in the history of the world and the most important zone of ...
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 7: The Evil of America First
- YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5-Wy56chbY
Video for timothy snyder youtube▶ 10:26
Feb 17, 2018 - Uploaded by Timothy Snyder
"America First" brings both political weakness and moral hazard. The last episode was about America's new ...
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 13 : Cyberfascism
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAObqEu_tbg
Video for timothy snyder youtube▶ 19:14
Jun 3, 2018 - Uploaded by Timothy Snyder
In one corner of the culture, we have a conversation about fascism,
and in another a conversation about ...
timothy snyder book
The Road to Unfreedom
Bloodlands
Black Earth: The Holocaust as History and Warning
Black Earth: The Holocaus...
below is the type of whole sale idiotic garbarge that I am ashamed to have show up on my dedicated to: Grateful Dead/Bluegrass/
(& recently,now, very Mysangonistic leaning Yoga) Youtube channel
I did not watch the video
https://youtu.be/Qcv9fOaTHks
Before the tragic death of his wife, Liam Neeson Lived part time in Highfalls Ny(the "other side" of Mohonk mnt) was a regular at & bought an interest in a small commercial property there, he was very approachable, sometimes sharing early mornings having coffee and a completely liberal-minded actor from the upper west side of Manhatten. where he had known JFK Jr. and the circle of very Liberal Democrats. He and his wife were friends of many fashion models who despised & ridiculed the toad-stool, now an illegitimate occupier of the presidency.
Any thoughts that JFK Jr would have or be in any way aligned with the swamp creature, oppressor, pussy grabber & thief who's blatant lying & total disregard for the law in general & the constitution as a whole ~ The one Who engaged in a treasonous conspiracy with a foreign enemy to rig the electoral process so conspicuously defeating democracy & destroying the United States is ridiculous
The magazine & its name was picked to pay homage to George Washington & to decry lying. It was a mouthpiece to spout a
an extremely liberal - pro-women's, pro-abortion pro-human- rights. It championed the poor and offered internships to street people, gave generously to causes like sufferers of Alopecia (bald women) & gay men.
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Klimmer2.0
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San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2019 - 06:09pm PT
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An intense adapted short story from Christine Haag's book Come to the Edge. Definitely adventurous. John-John certainly can put it on the line at times.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2011/04/jfk-jr-christina-haag-201104
Seems John tried rock climbing at some time. He climbed banisters for love multiple times to ascend to Ms. Haag's apartment and at one time he wanted to rappel down Mount Rushmore. I'm sure he had at least rappelled before. Probably not the place to learn to do it. Gnome seems to know that he did climb.
Rockanice, wow, you asked the man himself if he climbed and he said no. Very interesting story. Thank you for sharing that. I would agree. It seems JFK JR. really didn't want to get into a conversation. Easy to say no to stop that from happening.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2019 - 06:34pm PT
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Klimmer, I’m curious why you’re so interested in JFK Jr. He just seems another
born-with-a-silver-spoon-in-his-mouth bloke.
Good question. John-John wasn't on my radar. I knew the tragic sad stories throughout his life and then the fateful flight of July 16, 1999. All very sad. Seemed like a great guy. What a tragic tragic story to have it all end that way.
But then all by chance I learned that he isn't dead and why he isn't dead. I said, no way really??? Then I looked into it. I'm pretty tenacious when I want to know the truth. I've seen way too much evidence now. I know that he is alive and so is his wife and his sister in law.
I could prove it. But to prove it I would have to go political.
Anyway, so after I was convinced that he is indeed alive I wanted to know more about him. Turns out we are almost the same age. He's 2 years older than I am and we have many of the same interests. He loves adventure. He's pretty athletic. He loves the USA and is willing to work very hard and at risk to himself to save it. He's a man of strong Christian faith now and character. He has left his youthful lusts behind. He's a loving husband and a loving father now.
It's amazing that several very well know climbers have been a part of his life. I'm pretty sure he has climbed and rappelled at least some. He seems to like aviation and water sports the best. And he certainly can go for it when he wants too. It's obvious that he loves outdoor adventure like so many of us climbers do.
I admire him for all of that. He's going to do our country very well. At some point he will reveal himself very publically. I look forward to that day. I look forward to seeing many peoples' jaws hitting the floor, all dumb-founded, stunned, and then happily understanding what it all means. There will be some pain involved too no doubt. Everyone will be red-pilled all at once. Eyes will be wide open.
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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I want some of the drugs that Klimmer is on.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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How in the hell has this thread escaped the Lock?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Uh-oh, I picked up John Waterman hitch hiking in Alaska. Will I have to give a deposition?
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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john john (eye roll)
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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The conspiracy was explosively exposed when Gere went to the John John
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
https://nutagain.org
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I think Klimmer is John-John and he’s just disappointed he’s not getting more news hits these days. Or he’s checking if his back-story is sufficiently cleaned up after the fake death, and he’s worried he left some loose ends among old climbers.
Doh, outed!
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2019 - 03:39pm PT
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C'mon you guys ... if you really want to know the truth it isn't that hard. Just a little effort on your part.
JFK JR. is a good man. Why would you denigrate someone, anyone, even if you thought they were dead? Not cool. :(
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Why would you use the internet to pose unsubstantiated rumors and conspiracy theories? That seems much more likely to be objectionable to the family than obvious stupid jokes?
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2019 - 04:37pm PT
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Yes JFK JR is alive and well.
And he enjoys adventure throughout his long life, even now. He still flys. Even has done some climbing it turns out. He would climb the banister of his girlfriends apartment to go and pick her up back in the day. "Buildering." What a man won't do for love? He wanted to rappel down Mount Rushmore, but the NPS said no. He did/does many outdoor adventure sports that many of us climbers also enjoy. Many many pictures exist of all these adventure sports he participated in online. I wish I could locate an image of him climbing or even rappelling but it hasn't happened yet. Hope springs eternal.
RFK Jr. has images of JFK JR. SUPing in SF Bay on his Twitter account. "The accident" was July 16, 1999. Stand Up Paddle boarding took off in the early 2000's after the supposed accident of 1999.By the way, the SUP images RFK JR. posted are from the summer of 2018.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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I think Klimmer lived in Richard Gere’s butt. Welcome to the outside.
It was a December December Romance
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I am sure Richard Gere is most sensible of Oscar Wilde’s take on public perception:
"It's not whether I did it or not that's important, but whether people believed I did it".
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2019 - 08:03pm PT
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You know you’re winning when they can’t argue with any substance. Just ad hominem attacks. Weak sauce.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Nothing to win or argue, we're just making fun. No big deal.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2019 - 03:07pm PT
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No. Not crazy. Just open to the truth. Some people see further and clearer then others.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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^^^ Consider posting on the What is Mind thread. Largo could use some help.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Klimmer, look at the difference in the ears in the pix you posted, there're not the same. Explain this if you can. I'll give you the differences in the noses as I suppose he could have broken it while climbing. Enquiring minds want to know..
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Some people see further and clearer then others
Yeah, just not you.
I think Klimmer may be Tarantino, with his foot fetish.
And let's say he is still alive...so what?
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WBraun
climber
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Klimmer can see tons of sh!t you never could ......
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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tons of sh!t
you got that right
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Added & Edited; 5/5/19, 5/6/19
It bothers me that my youtube feed is now getting crap recommended
I am getting BS conspiracy stuff & "phaux propaganda, as well as much more "stuff" geared toward those who are the low & un-educated types, who have given up thinking for themselves & are falling in line as did the German population, did in the 1930s.
When the lies keep verifying guilt,
when every statement fails to be honest
when falsehoods/fake facts are held up as real, and facts/truths called fake:
you as a thinking person need to look at why it is,
who is the recipient of favor,
why scapegoat the weakest in society
everyone needs to learn about the rise of fascism
please check out
Timothy Snyder's writings about the threat & the rise of totalitarianism
http://timothysnyder.org/
Timothy Snyder Speaks, Ep. 1:
13:45
Nov 9, 2017
In the first episode of "Timothy Snyder Speaks,"
Russia Defeats America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej_D0YkDjy8
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 12:
The Mueller Investigation
17:31
May 26, 2018 -
The Mueller investigation is not a contest of men but of principles.
It is a contest between two ways of seeing the ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNggxMag_HY
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 15:
15:25
Jun 30, 2018 -
What is it that precedes politics,
underlies our constitution,
and gives us a chance to be prosperous and free ...
The Rule of Law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6fpu_9S31c
The Road to Unfreedom
42:31
May 9, 2018 - Uploaded by CID Harvard
Global Empowerment Meeting (GEM18),
April 17-18, 2018 Keynote Session:
The Road to Unfreedom:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p03X8Vk7zdI
Timothy Snyder: One Road to Unfreedom or Many?
1:27:23
Dec 10, 2018
Across the globe, the tenets of democracy are under attack and the popularity of illiberal political forces is ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-a_VqtgRK0
;
Timothy Snyder - The Road to Unfreedom
2:00:05
Nov 13, 2018 - Uploaded by De Balie
Democracy and the rule of law in Western societies are under threat due to Vladimir Putin's efforts to ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI_ak30tFyg
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 11: Much More Than Collusion
15:50
May 12, 2018
To speak of "collusion" is to misunderstand the Russia story.
To understand Trump as an instrument of Russian ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJe4NlOjAJo
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 16: The European Union
20:37
Jul 7, 2018
The European Union is the largest economy in the history of the world and the most important zone of ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nziEATOj5Yk
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 7: The Evil of America First
10:26
Feb 17, 2018 - Uploaded by Timothy Snyder
"America First" brings both political weakness and moral hazard.
The last episode was about America's new ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5-Wy56chbY
Timothy Snyder Speaks, ep. 13 : Cyberfascism
19:14
Jun 3, 2018 - Uploaded by Timothy Snyder
In one corner of the culture, we have a conversation about fascism,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAObqEu_tbg
Timothy Snyder books (highlight, & Google)
The Road to Unfreedom
Bloodlands
Black Earth: The Holocaust as History and Warning
below is the type of wholesale idiotic garbage that I am ashamed to have show up on my dedicated to:
Rock Climbing/Grateful Dead/Bluegrass/Blues/Jazz/Funk/Rock `n Roll
(& recently, now, very Mysangonistic leaning Yoga) Youtube channel
https://youtu.be/Qcv9fOaTHks
I did not watch the video from some outfit theGrowingInsanity,
but from briefly looking but not reading anyone entirely three or 4 of the comments I thought of the following
Before the tragic death of his wife, Liam Neeson Lived part time in Highfalls Ny(the "other side" of Mohonk mnt) was a regular at & bought an interest in a small commercial property there, he was very approachable, sometimes sharing early mornings having coffee and a completely liberal-minded actor from the upper west side of Manhatten. where he had known JFK Jr. and the circle of very Liberal Democrats. He and his wife were friends of many fashion models who despised & ridiculed the toad-stool, now an illegitimate occupier of the presidency.
Any thoughts that JFK Jr would have or be in any way aligned with the swamp creature, oppressor, pussy grabber & thief who's blatant lying & total disregard for the law in general & the constitution as a whole ~ The one Who engaged in a treasonous conspiracy with a foreign enemy to rig the electoral process so conspicuously defeating democracy & destroying the United States is ridiculous
The magazine & its name was picked to pay homage to George Washington & to decry lying. It was a mouthpiece to spout a
an extremely liberal - pro-women's, pro-abortion pro-human- rights. It championed the poor and offered internships to street people, gave generously to causes like sufferers of Alopecia (bald women) & gay men.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2019 - 10:16am PT
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divad said:
Klimmer, look at the difference in the ears in the pix you posted, there're not the same. Explain this if you can. I'll give you the differences in the noses as I suppose he could have broken it while climbing. Enquiring minds want to know..
Hopefully you do know that JFK JR. enjoyed/enjoys acting and playing a part. He got into acting in college and was even in a off-Broadway show production afterwards. He had a GF who was very much into acting and they were in the same production and hit it off for about 10 years or so as a couple. He did however, then end up marrying someone else. His past GF writes about this in her memoir "Come to the Edge: A Love Story"
by Christina Haag.
As a very famous person, who constantly had Secret Service agents watching over him, who is now supposed to be dead, he needs to be in disguise to somewhat hide his identity. But he is putting out very obvious clues now at least over the last 2.5 years. He is wearing a nose bridge of some kind to give the obvious nose bump in those images. Zoom in. It doesn't look right. It looks fake. His ears in both pictures are exactly the same. Make sure you are not confusing shadow and light. The ears are identical.
And let's say he is still alive...so what?
Yes, it does matter very very much if he is alive, if they are alive. The truth matters.
If he is still alive, then someone, media, government, and "The Deep State" are all lying. Maybe it had to be this way to stop them (the deep state) from trying to assassinate him. Maybe the government, "the white Hats" in our government, had to protect him to keep him alive and knew they had to do this ultimate plan to do just that -- protect him and his family.
The Deep State, "the black hats," do not want the world to know what really happened. They want the world thinking he was a bad risky pilot and that JFK JR. death, and the death of his wife and his sister-in-law was just that an accident due to bad judgment and pilot error on his part. They don't want people knowing the truth. They don't want people knowing it was an assassination. They don't want people asking questions. People would look into it and then question why? People would ask, who wanted him dead? Who would gain by JFK JR.'s death? The media has to be kept in the dark too. They are the mouth piece of The Deep State to propagate the lies and to hide the truth.
JFK Jr., his wife, and sister-in-law are all very much alive. He is revealing himself slowly and publically now. I would suppose for the world to get used to the idea that he is still very much alive. Call it conditioning. They don't want people falling over dead from a heart attack if he was to just right out reveal himself and say "Hey here I am!!!!"
Many people would die of heart conditions. It would be too much to see someone so well beloved come back from the dead. Think about it. Let the news of the 3 of them still being alive slowly trickle out and go mouth to mouth and then people have the time to get used to the idea and then also to ask why did he/they have to do this? Easier on everyone's heart for sure. Even mine. And I'm in good shape :)
I have some visual evidences that will blow your socks off that verify that he/they are very much alive.
Exciting times we live in.
Now I would like to ask was JFK JR. a good climber? How hard could he climb? 5.10? 5.11? What do you think? I would say with his overall fitness he could/can pull down some 5.10s for sure.
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brotherbbock
climber
So-Cal
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Now I would like to ask was JFK JR. a good climber? How hard could he climb? 5.10? 5.11? What do you think? I would say with his overall fitness he could/can pull down some 5.10s for sure.
Nice attempt to try and relate this to an actual climbing thread LOL.
I got temporarily banned for doing a similar thing.
BTW those comparison pics are pretty weak sauce...
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Exciting times we live in.
Yes Klimmer, these are exciting times, perhaps more for you than the rest of us..
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Yes, it does matter very very much if he is alive, if they are alive. The truth matters.
You couldn't just stop with one very? I hope you get to rub his feet someday.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2019 - 07:21pm PT
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Haters gotta hate. Notice I don't respond in kind. The Golden Rule. Apparently your mothers didn't teach you that very real Bible truth.
Shame.
I think JFK JR. is a great guy. He loves adventure. No doubt he has climbed at least some. He's had very well known climber's surrounding his life. How many of us can claim to have been taught to ski by Jim Whittaker? Or have a famous Uncle that made the first ascent of his father's name sake mountain in The Yukon? Or had Hans Kraus the famous Gunks climber and doctor around to be our father's personal back physician who indeed healed his father President JFK right at the end, to then only have his father's life taken from him, from all of us, by an assassin?
JFK JR. he's a good man. Our Nation needs him. I know he is alive and he is working hard to get our nation back from the Deep State that nearly sent our nation off the cliff into ruin. He would know this better than anyone. Think about it ... They nearly took his life too.
JFK JR. is an honorary member of "The Civilian SEALS." He's a member because he has those qualities and deep love of adventure. Not easy to qualify. He expounds Truth, Justice, and also a love of Adventure in Sea, Air, and Land. There really isn't any membership. You just R. JFK JR is.
JFK JR. lives.
I'm happy about that. I will be honest. The day I actually truly realized it was true ... I cried. They were tears of joy when I realized there really is sweet justice in the world and not all tragic stories end badly. Sometimes they are simply wonderful beginnings ...
It truly is an incredible story. Mind-blow really. Books and movies no doubt will be made about all of this. Awesome time we are living in.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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May 10, 2019 - 07:46pm PT
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it's also nice to know that the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy are for real..
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2019 - 10:03am PT
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Take another look at these images ...
Its JFK JR. No nose bump. That is background light and pattern not his nose. His nose is smooth and looks exactly as it should.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2019 - 10:21am PT
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Here is JFK JR’s Twitter page ...
https://mobile.twitter.com/John_F_Kennnedy
Take a look at the image of the VIP car with the 3 bright Suns. Who is inside the car?
Same image color enhanced to bring out the detail in the shadow areas...
Zoom in and look! There he is, JFK JR !!! As he has said “Games R fun!!!”
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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May 11, 2019 - 03:36pm PT
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I suspect a virtual person like JFK, Jr. could easily handle 5.16.
There is no limit.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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May 11, 2019 - 06:50pm PT
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Weak sauce again, Klimmer.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2019 - 06:32pm PT
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JFK JR. honorary member of "The Civilian SEALS." He embodies these qualities so he's an automatic member ...
By the way, many ways to be a member, do any SEA, AIR, and LAND adventures, do all 3, and they don't have to necessarily be these 6 logos that I've included in the design below. These activities just happen to be me mostly.
Other outdoor adventure activities will work:
SEA: Sailing would work. Sea kayaking would work. Windsurfing or kiteboarding will work. Free-diving would work. Surfing of course would work.
AIR: flying a craft of any kind and being the pilot in command would work. BASE jumping would work. Wing-suit flying would work.
LAND: Ice, or Alpine climbing, Mtn. climbing, or Backpacking or hiking would work. Mtn. biking would work. Skateboarding or Carveboarding would work. Snowboarding would work. You get the idea ...
Prototypes for my T-shirt design ...
US CIVILIAN SEAL
THE CIVILIAN SEALS
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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May 14, 2019 - 07:16pm PT
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Slap in the face to the real deal
Civilian SEALS are not US NAVY SEALS
No shit!
No association at all
Except for stealing their acronym.
Pretty cool actually. At least I think so
As long as you think so
Yes the acronym SEAL means
I knew what it means without Google
Rock on Klimmer! Make one, wear it and see how it goes.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2019 - 07:48pm PT
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Haters have to hate.
Lol.
Sad really.
Not a slap in the face to the real deal at all. Big difference. Civilian SEALS are not US NAVY SEALS. No association at all. Just a very informal association (no membership/no dues required), of people who are like minded and into Truth, Justice, and Adventure in the SEA, AIR, and LAND environments. People who like to do it all and have good skills in these outdoor adventure sports. That’s what’s required. You either have it or you don’t.
Pretty cool actually. At least I think so. Not starting a club. No membership. You just R and you know it.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2019 - 09:08pm PT
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.military.com/special-operations/about-the-navy-seals.html/amp
Yes the acronym SEAL means:
SEa, Air, Land. Can that acronym really be only for the US NAVY? It’s an acronym that means 3 terrestrial environments. In a way it’s a physical geographic acronym. The fact that it is the same as a marine mammal called a “Seal” is an obvious association very useful for the Navy of course.
But I’m not using it that way. Not trying to associate with a marine mammal at all. But the acronym SEAL does mean the 3 physical geographical environments. In that way I’m using it but clearly disassociating in from the military by clearly using the pre curser term Civilian. Civilians we can also do adventure in SEA, AIR, and LAND, for peaceful adventuresome purposes.
It will be ok. Not using their logo. Not using their official name. Only an acronym that means 3 physical geographic environments.
It does suggest something strong and extraordinary. Civilians can do that too. Not intending to hurt or disrespect or take away from the military. In a strong way, it’s a tip of the hat to the military. I’m prior service US Army. No disrespect meant at all. It’s not easy to qualify even as a civilian. You have to have real skills in SEA, AIR, and LAND, outdoor adventure sports. Not everyone can do all of that. It’s kind of extraordinary and rare for someone to have all of these outdoor adventure skills in the 3 environments. People who have these skills civilian or military should feel some level of pride for having achieved these abilities.
It’s pretty cool really. 2 thumbs up cool.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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May 14, 2019 - 09:29pm PT
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It does suggest something strong and extraordinary. Civilians can do that too
Yeah, give it up. Your comment to the 'end of ST' thread was good. Maybe keep it at that and become normal.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2019 - 09:39pm PT
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WM,
Why be normal? Why do what everyone else is doing? Do something or be someone different. Don’t be boring. Change the world.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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May 14, 2019 - 09:48pm PT
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Do something or be someone different. Don’t be boring. Change the world
one roll of Reynolds wrap at a time
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2019 - 04:25pm PT
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I wouldn't have a clue. Where??? Lol.
Hard story to read; it's dark and evil and so many twists and turns.
Just better to be a good and honest person, its just so much easier in life. Follow The Golden Rule. Then, all you have to remember is the truth. No confusion. Life will be more wonderful as a result too.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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May 15, 2019 - 04:53pm PT
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At least that story is interesting, although the article is a little hard to follow. This makes no sense, quarrel among thugs?
"On Feb. 19, Tine picked up King and Hill in his car and drove toward Pedersen's business. As the auto neared the shop, King pulled a sawed-off shotgun from a gym bag, a scuffle broke out, the shotgun fired, 'tearing up the back quarter panel of the car,' and the conspirators fled, according to Seattle Police Lt. Bob Holter."
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 31, 2019 - 04:17pm PT
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This thread needs to finish on a positive note that encourages you all to look into it, and check it out ... the truth.
I’m glad Trump (Q+) is correcting the massive wrongs and saving our country. I now know there is a massive army of cyber patriots (Qanons) working hard together with military intelligence (Q) and our President (Q+) to do just that. Save our country. Thank G-d for Trump.
And believe it or not he has a very close friend helping him. Look into it. It’s true. JFK Jr (R) and his wife are very much alive and they now have teenage children. He is very much involved in helping save our nation in the background with President Trump. He will be making a very public appearance soon. He is doing so now slowly and carefully getting a lot of people used to the idea. Sometime soon we will all know the truth of what really happened and why on that day of July 16, 1999. I look very much forward to them coming out from hiding, being revealed publicly, and reintroducing themselves to the world. A lot of healing will take place on that special day for many people, even for the world.
In addition (and more good news), as a result of this thread and looking/researching into his life and his outdoor interests, I now know its obvious he is very much like many of us here on ST.
We enjoy climbing and all the outdoor adventure sports that are closely associated with climbing. JFK Jr. does also. That is very cool. It would be great to one day have a President that loves to outdoor adventure and has the same mind set as so many climbers do. We are a rare breed. We go for it and are incredibly brave and passionate and smart people. We can do amazing and very physical hard things. We as climbers are indeed a very extraordinary breed of people. I think JFK Jr. is the same.
President Trump and JFK JR are not Messiahs or Super-Heros. They are men and patriots who love their country and doing everything they can to save it. G-d uses people to do His will. Baruch HaShem.
A prayer:
Please G-d watch over them and their families and keep them safe. Keep a mighty hedge of spiritual and physical protection surrounding all of them. May they accomplish your will and help save our nation. Amen.
I wanted to leave you all with some incredible evidence that indeed JFK Jr. and his wife along with their children are very much alive. Please look into it. There are many empirical evidences now available. This is just some of the many evidences ...
Watch all the videos by The Gunner's Wife on YouTube: great start ...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvcDoQ28hK-iyNNZugOA6wg/videos
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 31, 2019 - 05:28pm PT
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Come on over to redpoint Klimmer... when your strange dreams of dead Kennedys are proven true you can make fun of us!
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 31, 2019 - 11:40pm PT
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Klimmer
Tell everyone here the TRUTH:
Donald John Trump Jr. and John F. Kennedy Jr. for 2024
Q Klimmer Q
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