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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 23, 2019 - 03:32pm PT
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In a Reuters article about the ongoing drama on the Norwegian coast some phi beta kappa
journalist, who must get paid by the word, wrote:
“Norway is considering safety improvements for those traveling along its extensive coastline, including preliminary plans for a giant ocean tunnel through a mountain near the spot where the Viking Sky had halted.”
Yeah, that will definitely improve maritime safety, huh?
Have the aliens taken over at Reuters too?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Mar 23, 2019 - 03:39pm PT
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Oh, I thought you were talking about Super Topo Thread Headlines.....:)
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 23, 2019 - 03:44pm PT
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Yeah, meat two.
Who's meat three?
I thought Reuters was run by foreigners? Izzat not rue?
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Tom Patterson
Trad climber
Seattle
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Mar 23, 2019 - 04:09pm PT
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I've noticed that The Guardian has lots and lots of misspellings and grammatical errors. I just sort figure that--given the 24/7 frantic nature of the news cycles, especially with the constantly flapping gums and twitchy Twitter fingers of the current "president"--every source wants to be the first to report on whatever the latest forehead-slapper of a story is. Ain't no time to proofread with that kind of a rush to post, apparently.
But I do like the idea of an ocean tunnel through a mountain. I think I'd like to see that for myself!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2019 - 04:25pm PT
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I gotta say it was an experience going through the Atlantic Ocean Tunnel that comes up at Kristiansund (close to the ongoing situation) last summer. No translation was needed for being 820’ below the sea floor for 3.5 miles! Did I mention you could eat off the walls or ceiling?
The Norskies are building a 25 km undersea tunnel down by Stavanger as we speak!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2019 - 04:32pm PT
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meh Norskies used to vacation in Newfoundland in open boats.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Mar 23, 2019 - 05:01pm PT
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Damn those herring-chokers!
Trying to make one of the chief pundits of ST wrong about something!
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Mar 23, 2019 - 05:37pm PT
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Do you mean before I flush? Proofing crap ain't easy.
BAd
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 23, 2019 - 05:37pm PT
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Tunnels constitute aid!
I wonder what it costs to use,..
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mastadon
Trad climber
crack addict
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Mar 23, 2019 - 05:53pm PT
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Jeebus Reilly, are you off your meds again? Ya just gotta let go of some of this stuff...
We just had a Washingtonian get-together at Joshua Tree a couple weeks ago. If i’d been thinking, I would have invited you. Dave Davis, Dave Dailey, Rich Carlstad and others were there. Eleven total. These guys do this every year and this was my first time attending. Ellie Hawkins even showed up one afternoon. Good times.
I always try to proofread my crap but I invariably flush the toilet too soon..
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Todd Eastman
Social climber
Putney, VT
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Mar 23, 2019 - 05:55pm PT
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Reilly, you must be retired and bored to near death...
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Mar 23, 2019 - 06:32pm PT
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Maybe it's a cultural/language processing issue?
We have become dumber and dumberer in America when it comes to parsing longer sentences. Business English is a series of one clause sentences, with occasional two-clausers to spice things up. My wife from Italy perceives this writing style as if it's an elementary school kid. Italians tend to be very comfortable with lengthy sentences that contain many clauses. I recall really struggling when reading The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco, until my brain started adapting a few hundred pages in. I just am not accustomed to allocating that much memory to sentence parsing, and would forget the beginning before I finished understanding the end. Also, I tend to get hung up about the precedence and nesting of clauses, wishing we used parenthesis to be more clear like a computer programming language.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2019 - 07:27pm PT
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Don, thanks for thinking of me, now. I went off the meds, they only made me crankier. 😉
Todd, when you spend 8-12 hours a day for 9 months (with 4 days off for good behavior) at a hospital or caring for someone then I’ll take your observations on boredom under advisement. But thanks for yer concern.
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 24, 2019 - 08:22am PT
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Not always, but let's see......
Yep, corn on the cob and oreo cookies.
Proof is in the pudding.
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Trump
climber
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Mar 24, 2019 - 09:41am PT
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Thanks for caring for someone else Reilly, if that’s what you do. Send your observations to the author (if they’re someone you care about) and maybe they’ll take them under advisement.
And thanks for spelling words right and stuff! Other people have their own stuff going on, whether it’s policing grammar, or caring for other people, and sometimes they’re just paying attention to different stuff than we are.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Mar 24, 2019 - 01:36pm PT
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Use the Bristol scale.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Mar 24, 2019 - 05:43pm PT
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Trump, is that a "back handed compliment?" :) Reilly is awesome, and sometimes is's good to take the time to get things right. lynnie
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Mar 24, 2019 - 06:16pm PT
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Yep, corn on the cob
I can't read braille.
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 24, 2019 - 07:10pm PT
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Better wash yer paws!
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Mar 24, 2019 - 08:02pm PT
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Finally something to laugh about again. I think every post had a peanut and a prize. Carry on.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Mar 24, 2019 - 11:12pm PT
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Reilly, best wishes to you to and to whomever you are providing care.
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Mar 24, 2019 - 11:19pm PT
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Reilly,
as a journalist I can tell you that some of my colleagues believe that the spell checker is an editor as well!
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Mar 26, 2019 - 03:20am PT
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This from the CNN writeup about Brexit today..shit drives me nuts too. Happens all the time and you'd think a business that is in the business of writing can at least get the writing part right-rite?
"May's future depends now depends on her erstwhile enemies, however. As they faces the possibility of Parliament supporting a softer Brexit than suggested by May, the arch-Brexiteers in the European Research Group may decide this is the moment they must back May's deal as the best of a bad bunch."
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/26/uk/theresa-may-parliament-brexit-intl-gbr/index.html
Editing though = 1st world problems :-)
...and the braille post up there ^^ cracked me up
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Mar 26, 2019 - 10:17am PT
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In 1994 I was asked if I would help with starting a website dealing with bicycle racing and cyclingnews.com was born. It has become the most popular site in the world for bicycle racing. In recent years the number of typos, bad English and incorrect facts(such as dates and people) have skyrocketed.
Since I helped start the site I feel some responsibility for trying to maintain the quality. So, I used to send the errors I found to the editor in hopes that they would be corrected. Personally, I really appreciate it when somebody lets me know that I have made a mistake. I can fix it and my writings are better for it.
It turns out that the editor, and a bunch of other employees there, are very insecure. They interpreted my E-mails, which I intentionally tried to make as positive and blameless as possible, as personal attacks. They finally told me to quit sending them any errors that I found with the website. I think that about says it all.
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Barbarian
climber
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Mar 26, 2019 - 01:30pm PT
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I never proofread my own writing - so may here on Supertopo are willing and anxious to do it for free.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 26, 2019 - 11:04pm PT
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hey there, say, NutAgain!
say, i LOVE what your wife says about long sentences, that have long clauses, and--say all kinds of stuff... it IS good for the brain to remember all this stuff, and still 'spit it out at once' and, come-back to the conversation with your OWN reply/thoughts (after reading it all) as,
i take-it that 'THIS' (what you mentioned) is 'being seen in writing',not just 'talking', as-- we'd NEVER see the commas, long phrases OR parenthesis, if not-- we'd only HEAR them, as we reply back-and-forth, as to 'the knowledge that we took in', and, then... there'd be no WRITTEN proof, that 'they were ever in use' ;)
yep, i love it... please, let her know...
good for her! :)
it is sad, very sad.. that no one 'wants it to be correct' to USE commas, any more... :(
or, put in all kinds of neat (like this one) parenthesis... :(
good for her... :) and, her italian-share... :)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Mar 27, 2019 - 09:21am PT
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To all of you who whine about having to read news reports that were not properly proofed, I ask: How much are you prepared to pay for that proofing? If you want your news for free, or almost free, well, you will get what you pay for. It reminds me of people who buy a 24-piece socket wrench set at Walmart for $9.95 and then complain about the shitty quality.
Any publication, whether an online-only sport-focused one such as cyclingnews.com, or a longstanding traditional news source such as Reuters, can hire more proofreaders. But only if readers will accept the increased cost.
Given that most people now expect news to be free...
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 27, 2019 - 09:29am PT
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It reminds me of people who buy a 24-piece socket wrench set at Walmart for $9.95 and then complain about the shitty quality.
Most of the tools in Walmart are Stanley Tools manufacture.
They're a lot more than $9.95.
Are you sure you are proofreading your own nonsense ..... lol
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Mar 27, 2019 - 10:38am PT
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look at it this way:
some publications have a dedicated puzzle section.
ours are where you find them, though there are
certain areas of high concentration.
keep on pokin' em gnomey
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 27, 2019 - 04:18pm PT
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WBraun wrote;
.Are you sure you are proofreading your own nonsense
Are you the same guy posting over on the lone gunman thread?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Mar 27, 2019 - 04:50pm PT
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I have two sisters and four brothers....this thread sounds like home bitd. :)
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 27, 2019 - 05:13pm PT
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Instantly, by the way, I feel blameless, when I read the query; I felt that my sweet if didactic shares here were what was being questioned. For the less erudite, those unwilling, or unable, to follow and so instead throw stones, and without even 1st yelling 'Rock, I say 'pshaw'!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Mar 27, 2019 - 06:56pm PT
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Wow, Timid, my owner/editor gave me an edition when I started working years ago as the only paid reporter for our local newspaper, which is still alive and living in our great rural community.
"Sucks being in a dying trade." Yes, but there is always hope. Writing is a trip, like living on the Love Boat with no one else on the boat. Writing is throwing it all out there, hoping something sticks and nothing will be thrown back or left to rot. Writing is.......
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Mar 27, 2019 - 07:41pm PT
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Perfect.
My post above, and Werner's response, together constitute a perfect example of my "you get what you pay for" comment on the lack of good proofreading in modern journalism.
To illustrate the point that being unwilling to pay for good journalism and then complaining about bad journalism, I used the analogy of someone buying a 24-piece socket wrench set at Walmart for $9.95 and then complaining that good tools are a thing of the past. Werner pointed out that Walmart tools aren't that cheap, and are in fact made by Stanley.
So here's the deal: If you clowns were willing to pay for better proofreading on Supertopo, I'd have been able to hand my work off to the ST Tool Expert (WB) before posting it. He would have said to me privately what he said above, and I would then have corrected my story by changing the example to someone buying an 18-piece socket wrench set at DollarRama for $13.95.
As to what Timid Andy said, well, both yes, and no.
I also got chewed out by a grumpy junior college editor enough times to ditch the journalism.
Junior college anything is a long, long way from the real world, but having an editor who knows what s/he's doing, and will whip you until you understand, will make you a better writer. With the caveat that you also have to know when to stand your ground and tell that editor to go pound sand.
As mentioned, you get what you pay for. Hard to find errors of any kind in my weekly New Yorker and monthly National Geographic.
Damn right. And ditto for The Economist, Handelsblatt, and similar publications.
Sucks being in a dying trade.
It is not dying, but it sure as hell is changing. Most of you here are old, and expect what you read to conform to the rules you learned in Mrs. Schmucker's 7th grade English class. But that was 50 years ago, and people who are writing for money now are not writing for you. They are writing for people who communicate by text message, using emojis and phrases like "c u l8r".
But the bottom line is unchanged. If you want to make money writing, you must write something people are willing to pay to read.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Mar 27, 2019 - 07:48pm PT
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cu l8r, Henry Thoreau. :)
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Trump
climber
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Mar 30, 2019 - 08:59am PT
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Here’s an interesting one:
https://psyarxiv.com/qf7e3
“Moralistic punishment can confer reputation benefits by signaling trustworthiness to observers. But why do people punish even when nobody is watching? We argue that people often rely on the heuristic that reputation is typically at stake, such that reputation concerns can shape moral outrage and punishment even in one-shot anonymous interactions.”
Spell stuff right. Use good grammar. Help other people. Good for you!
Spell stuff wrong, use bad grammar? Maybe we’ll feel a need to punish you for that, and to do so publicly, for some reason or other.
Heck, I’ll bet we all can both do that, and help some other people (of our own choosing, for our own reasons) at the same time. And maybe those same tribal reasons contribute to us punishing people even when no-one is watching, and helping other people even when we don’t broadcast it on the internet.
We humans have the BEST tribal glue processes! I don’t always see that as a good thing, but mostly I just hope for people to see them.
Our tribal allegiances, and the processes that support them, seem to be getting stronger, and nothing Trump does seems to change that. But maybe we can.
Best to you, Supertopo tribe!
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Zay
climber
Monterey, Ca
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Mar 30, 2019 - 12:44pm PT
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I'd love to see someone eat off a wall or ceiling.
Sorry i couldnt resist
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