Shutdown

I think that the idea that anyone would post an open-ended one-word post. . .
Then follow it up with "Rationalize this for me, my fellow taconions"


rationalize the rise of the nasty party . . .
the take over of the United States government, by self-serving thieves & crooks; turning it into a "Corrupt Plutocracy"
(nice try Tad)
That is the definition of a Kleptocracy...

Advancing family members & 'yes-men' sycophantic people with direct conflicts of interest into positions of power, where they need but do not qualify forsequrity clerances. . . is what authoritarian dictators do. (Share picture of: Dick Tater)


But that is not rationalizing . . . that is calling it what it is


or, try to point out again that,
what you are living through, in a stupor, is the fall of our democracy?

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Then too, actions that are not being taken, not paying the employees...

go sue me attitude that is a well-documented way the orange cheat-you has conducted business for decades?


not staffing important positions, to avoid the scrutiny of oversite...

curtailing restrictions, reducing the function of protecting the populous,

these are all things that were also allowed to happen in the name of making our country great again. in the 2oth century

if you can apologize for bigotry, allow the scapegoating of the most downtrodden, separate families,
place CHILDREN IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS. Where AN UNKNOWN NUMBER OF THOSE CHILDREN DISAPPEAR

If you cannot speak justly about MLK at the remembrance event & leave within 5 minutes.

When your daddy & you were successfully sued for discriminatory unconstitutional illegal policies, & continued to use similar tactics that you were found guilty of in the public sector - in your private company. Using crimes to further an agenda.
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what needs to be understood is his base is loving it for some rather despicable reasons

His base is happy because he's seen fighting for his wall...the far right likes to see the gov't as small as possible...and the American public sees that the pain of smaller gov't is more tolerable than they thought. Win-win-win for Trump & co.

because they hate the government

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross says he doesn't "really quite understand why" federal workers who have missed paychecks due to the partial government shutdown don't just take out loans to cover the gap.

When asked in a CNBC interview on Thursday about reports that federal workers are going to homeless shelters or seeking food assistance, the billionaire investor said: "Well, I know they are and I don't really quite understand why, because as I mentioned before, the obligations that they would undertake, say borrowing from a bank or a credit union, are in effect federally guaranteed, so the 30 days of pay that some people will be out is no real reason why they shouldn't be able to get a loan against it."

The comments from the commerce secretary came after a senior economic adviser to President Donald Trump compared the shutdown to a vacation.

what needs to be understood is his base is loving it for some rather despicable reasons

Thanks for your service divad.

We’re seeing the ultimate futility of the two party system.

Thank you, Nancy. None of those ‘progressives’ that wanted to unseat you would have the grace and cajones to make it this far.

The only 'negotiation' Trump has offered so far is 'my way or GTFO'. That's hardly a starting point.

I beginning to see the possibility that Trump will not be the next president, but a Republican will be. Romney, for all his denial, is likely. I still can't tell what the likelihood is that Trump will be impeached. If it is not to be Trump, then that likely means he will be impeached. I doubt that it will happen this year though.

hence we have the highest poverty rate in the nation.

...stopped all outgoing flights due to too few flight controllers and TSA agents

Those folks don't get paid a helluva lot to do that job but the ones I've seen sure have been professional about working through all this bullsh#t. Tip of the hat to them.

Lara Trump: let them eat cake.

Wilbur Ross: get a loan for the cake.

Kevin Hassett: They’re better off without the cake.

Larry Kudlow: They’re volunteering to get the cake.

Donald Trump: Cake is free at the grocery store.

...are all circling down the drain

1. Calling Ms Colter a "conservative commentator" seems a bit like calling bull-crap well, fertilizer. Ann Coulter is filled with hate, she spews hate and, it seems, thinks only hate.

1. Calling Ms Colter a "conservative commentator" seems a bit like calling bull-crap well, fertilizer. Ann Coulter is filled with hate, she spews hate and, it seems, thinks only hate. She's one of the few political figures in our county's current discourse that really is evil (and, apogee, I know it was just something you copy/pasted - my comment isn't necessarily directed at you).

SHE HAS AN ADAMS APPLE........CURIOUS

And you think the shutdown is bad?

Whaddya think he might do when the Mueller report comes out?

Any conservatives on here cool with paying that amount in taxes for your Presidents magnificent folly??

Except that this shutdown wasn't about those things. It was about his wall.

Do you actually know anyone who has ever received it?

It seems to me that it would take a real piece of work to think of people whose lives you know the struggle they've endured that has taken them to need public assistance and refer to them with that term.

You must be thinking of somebody other than who I'm thinking of.

The deficit rose to $779 billion in fiscal year 2018, up 17% from last year, according to final figures released Monday by the Treasury Department. That's the largest number since 2012, when the country was still spending massively to stimulate an economy struggling to recover.

Government receipts were flat this year from last year. Corporate tax collections fell $76 billion, or 22%, due to the Republican-backed tax cut. But that drop was more than offset by increased revenues from individual and self-employment taxes. The fiscal year ended September 30.
Spending rose 3% over the previous year, fueled in part by increases to the defense budget agreed upon in September 2017 as part of a deal between Republicans and Democrats to head off a government shutdown. Social Security and interest on the federal debt also contributed to the increase.

In June (2018), the federal debt — which aggregates annual deficits over time — stood at 78% of gross domestic product, the highest level since right after World War II. Updated figures were not immediately available on Monday.

As interest rates rise, servicing that ballooning debt could pose challenging. Treasury spent $522 billion last year paying interest, up 14% from the year before. That's more than the cost of Medicaid, food stamps, and the department of Housing and Urban Development combined. But it is smaller as a percentage of GDP than it has been historically.

In late September, the House passed a bill that would extend individual tax cuts that are currently are slated to end in 2025, at a cost of $631 billion over a 10-year window.

MB1! It's good to see you share the conservative obsession with weeding "welfare chistlers" off the govenment dole.

Try to mellow out a bit and realize that not everybody who doesn't agree with EVERYTHING you hold dear is your enemy.

Try to mellow out a bit and realize that not everybody who doesn't agree with EVERYTHING you hold dear is your enemy.

1)Are you yet aware that the cry out of "liberal outrage" whenever one doesn't want to acknowledge a point made by a purported Democrat IS one of the *chants* developed and amplified by the Russian 2016 election campaign?

Well, now you do know.

So remember when you slag that phrase, that you aren't thinking for yourself, are being used.

By a hostile nation engaged in cyber warfare with *your* county.

I give you *your* country as a courtesy, because that's how the game is played. Do you know they even have a term for those who unwittingly further their agenda(such as *the* president? The term is translated in English as "Useful Idiot."

2) "Lady, close your legs." #misogyny

Do you think there are no men in this country that have been responsible for 15 or more pregnancies for which they had/have no plan/strategy or intention of supporting?

Oh, and:
"That was an experiment."

And considering your bad advice to me, you might want to try applying to yourself.

Of course, it's probably awfully presumptuous on my part to think you would give a dang what I think!

^^^ Sorry, MadB, you get personal as well. Just a bit differently. You don’t call people “names”, but you have this tone of superiority. Show some humility. Maybe we will start reading your posts looking for substance. Right now, I just don’t want to engage in a discussion with you. You know the “truth”, we are not worthy.

No offense, just an observation.

Moose

Are you ever introspective enough to wonder why folks seldom post approving remarks about your wordy missives? Or is it all about the satisfaction of posting them?

just as is your little bit of "friendly advice" (utterly paternalistic) now.

Guess we just lacked imagination huh?

Why not just be honest and admit that none of us know the truth.

yeah blah, the Republican was the victim so the Democrat has to be the perp. Why not just be honest and admit that none of us know the truth.

You're right that we don't know the truth.
Just seems to me that Vanessa Tyson's accusations against Lt. Go. Fairfax seem much more credible than Blasey Ford's strange tale against Kav.

There were more than just Ford's accusation against Kav. There was a much broader pattern of [alleged] behavior that gave Ford's accusations more credibility.

What the standard of proof for these situations should be, is difficult.

For starters, how about corroboration.

In all of those cases [against Kav], no one backed up any of the claims. They all fell apart under scrutiny.

One thing that has become much clearer to me in the last few years is that that there is a difference between conservatives that vote Republican, the GOP/Republican Party, and Trump supporters.

One thing that has become much clearer to me in the last few years is that that there is a difference between conservatives that vote Republican, the GOP/Republican Party, and Trump supporters. There is a great tendency on the Left to lump them all together, but that is not at all the case- and to try to have a conversation with someone and regard them as all the same is not going to be productive for anyone.

Rumor has it, Indivudual 1 might not agree to this deal. What a f*#king idiot.

Declaring a NE (even if it fails in court) gives political cover to the GOP by averting a shutdown, and allows Trump to show his base that he's making good on his promise. Even if the NE gets tossed out of court, he looks good to his base for trying.