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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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At this point we are talking about a body recovery. No need to up the risk factor.
I participated in my first rescue with the RMNP SAR hauling a stokes 3/4 mile.
Likely they did what they could. Dad should have taught common sense to his boy.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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I was in the valley one one of my first trips there over by the area FKA Curry Village and saw a group yelling at Rangers, getting really ugly. Apparently there were hikers stranded on the ledges above and their friends were upset over the speed of the rescue. Was a real WTF moment for me.
GoFundMe? check
https://www.gofundme.com/wggja-micah-tice
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Sad, but totally preventable.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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The missing man was seen leaving TH in severe blizzard conditions at 630 AM with tennis shoes, sweatpants and sweatshirt, light gloves and a light blue backpack
Sorry, but I have no sympathy for this guy. Sounds like a case of evolution in action.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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It sounds to me like he didn't want to come back. Why else would he wander out into a blizzard on a mountain with no protective clothing? I wonder how things were going for him at the Academy prep school.
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perswig
climber
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what role federal bureaucracy plays in this whole situation, other than that it obviously failed to prevent an unprepared individual from making really poor decisions
sigh.
I'm still having trouble with the idea that -anyone- is tasked with that responsibility, other than the individual and his/her immediate circle.
And being "owed" a rescue, complete/competent or otherwise, just seems an odd notion and has been debated here before.
Stressful and heartbreaking for his family; hopefully the complaints are emotion-driven and not expectation.
Dale
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sounds like a case of invincible youth syndrome vs mother nature.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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^^^ Yes but equally likely is that he held his son to equally unrealistic standards.
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the museum
Trad climber
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You know, my son of 22 and his wife were rescued on Longs a couple years ago on the Loft. Relatively prepared and he had done the route before with me.
SAR found them and walked them out. Totally on top of it and terrific in all that SAR did. Professional and caring, efficient and experienced.
SAR Longs when you read this - THANK YOU.
Those are my thoughts.
Offering condolences on the matter at hand.
the museum
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Kinda what Jim said. The crazy grief is impossible to imagine unless you've been there--and I haven't. We've got to cut immediate family a lot of slack. A beautiful young woman has been missing from the Bishop area for weeks, and my heart breaks every time I see her smiling face in the posters around town. It seems unlikely that they'll ever get her back. The lost hiker, though, was either suicidal or just incredibly naive or ignorant of what it takes to survive in such conditions. Ugh.
BAd
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Realistically we can't know what was in the hikers mind nor the Dads.
Right now I'm watching a pastel pink/orange sunset spread color over our hills. Mixed blues hang above and a slim sickle moon hangs high up in the purple peace.
I wish life was like this evening, an observation of beauty.
Instead there are people hurting and missing and only guesses from outsiders as to what went down.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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This same story gets repeated every few years.
http://forums.protrails.com/forums/topic/474-ft-collins-man-dies-on-longs-peak/
He was found on the Summit of Longs Peak wearing a hooded sweatshirt, jeans, and tennis shoes.
If I had some time, I'd go up there for $10k.
It's been cloudy, snowy and cold the past week. He's most definitely dead and frozen solid by now, even in the best of caves.
Supposed to be nice out tomorrow. It won't be long before someone stumbles into him. It's a busy area.
Super dumb parents. The acorn doesn't seem to have fallen far from the tree here.
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KokaKola
climber
From the East to the West
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The parents held a news conference to plead to Trump and Zinke.
Is it not problematic to fabricate a situation and peg "the military" at-large against ROMO SAR? Even during grief?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Consider the danger that SAR personnel are constantly put in by having to search for people who irresponsibly put themselves in harms way.
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Sneakers in a blizzard? Finger pointing daddy dearest should take a serious look at the other 4 fingers pointing squarely back at himself. Parents need to instill some common sense in their progeny.
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Trump
climber
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Oh shoot my condolences to all involved.
If you die, you probably f*#ked up. The same is true for SAR as it is for everyone else. SAR is a risky business, but some people do it anyway. I’ll bet they have mom’s and dads and kids too.
Try not to die people. But if you do, I’m gonna try to forgive you for it and offer my condolences.
Among this crew, we give and get an inordinate amount of approval for the way we risk unnecessarily dying. Let’s try not to judge the way other people die, or the way their families and friends react to them dying, too harshly. We’re all gonna die one way or another.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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If SAR was up there for 6 days, starting 3 days after he went missing - they went way, way above and beyond and deserve no criticism.
All the trails were probably covered before lunch on the first day. The guy was probably dead 2 days before the search even started.
Oh please help me Mr President Trump.
Since he obviously wasn’t on a trail, I say he got lost before even reaching treeline and they’ll find him in a tree well in the spring.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Maybe he went out of his way to be seen by the people at the TH and on the trail and the small blue backpack had what he needed to disappear himself.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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If NPS Search had done like the current POTUS, Trump, usually do in his private life, they would have sued the blasting father... which I think would be a very bad act...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I guess they didn't prey good.
Well, the fact that he is missing could mean that somebody did.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Thank you, Jim.
I deleted my post, because upon reflection, I think I'd slightly stepped over the line.
while I've had many occasions where I've been critical of SAR operations, I generally think they do the bast possible, generally in very unfortunate circumstances. In the heat of the moment, I think they deserve support of their efforts.
It is true that family in such situations suffer from a type of hysteria, combined with a sense of fantasy.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Man, this cadet took off in basically sweats in winter conditions....Pretty tough to survive exposed conditions. Parents are upset SAR efforts weren’t what they expected and Dad goes public?! It just seems people have no sense of responsibility anymore. I get it, I’m a parent, if my son did this I would have to also question the reasoning behind that kind of decision. Dad is asking a lot of people to be put in harms way, for a questionable decision made by his Son, who as a cadet, should have good skills at making critical calls! Very unfortunate for family, “but don’t make two errors on the same play”.
Peace
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Clearly, there is a puzzle piece missing here.
Was the missing son suicidal? Crazy? Really upset about something? Ignorant? Just plain stupid? Girlfriend yelled at him? [I have grown a thick skin of late] Darwinian Anti-Selection? Something else?
[Comments based on attire and comments of last to see him]
So sad. I hope they find the guy's body to bring closure.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Condolonces for the parents and their son...It seems like more stoopid Americans are venturing out onto the snow and back country in their best mall shopping attire...I drove by a group of Asians playing in a snow berm on the side of the road near an avalanche gully...Film at 11...
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jim Brennan - I hope they find the poor bastard's body so he can be declared legally dead and they can collect life insurance, otherwise they have to wait seven years. And without a body the parents will continually wonder what happened, like the folks of Matthew Green who disappeared in the Sierra.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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My latest rant is about closure being regarded as some kind of magic word that ends all questions and resolves all grief
I've been to a few funerals, including my Dad's. I'm atheist but do credit most religions for the methods they have developed to make understandable the fact of death. I don't agree with their ideas, but they certainly have made it easier for the bereaved to accept what has happened and offer support. One thing that has struck me in a very positive way at wakes is the laughter and jokes and how they make accepting death easier for the loved ones. A little bit of wine certainly doesn't hurt either.
As for this guy, what was he thinking? I've told people on trails the same sorts of things about difficulty, gear, daylight, weather, etc. and received the blank stares back; just shook my head and kept going down. At least I tried.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Matthew Green who disappeared in the Sierra. The terrain this Matthew Green guy was lost in is about 100x more remote and complex than around Longs. They will 95% find this guy before spring, if not in the next week or two - 100% certain by June.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Dec 10, 2018 - 12:22am PT
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I drove by a group of Asians playing in a snow berm on the side of the road near an avalanche gully...Film at 11... i drove by some suicidal lunatics playing on the side of a cliff
both groups lived Nancy
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Dec 10, 2018 - 07:51am PT
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Deserter?
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Dec 10, 2018 - 08:38am PT
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Deserter? That's what I mentioned above. The people at the trailhead and especially the encounter on the trail seem a bit too convenient. And who knows what was in the small blue pack.
It would be ironic if the dad got his military presence and it ended in a court martial.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 10, 2018 - 09:04am PT
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Gumby, you can’t be court martialed for running away from yer prep school. 🙄
And, FWIW, you can leave THE Academy up to the end of yer soph year without probs.
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plund
Social climber
OD, MN
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Dec 10, 2018 - 09:10am PT
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If memory serves, the students at USAFA Prep ARE technically 'active duty'.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Dec 10, 2018 - 09:13am PT
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If we're tossing out BS - mine is that he was rejected by a girl.
Or maybe it was a guy...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 10, 2018 - 09:16am PT
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The AF Academy candidates are considered active duty.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 10, 2018 - 09:29am PT
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The AF Academy candidates are considered active duty.
The operative word is ‘considered’, or more accurately ‘treated as such’.
It is no more than that, not that it really matters, especially for him now.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Dec 10, 2018 - 09:38am PT
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Ryan Albert, 30 from New Jersey has been missing up there since October. Didn't know - 2 dead bodies up there - right now - that's more exciting than pokemon or geo caching. I bet traffic at that trailhead doubles until they find these guys.
I'd guess Ryan is at the base of the Trough, Micah hugging the trunk of a tree somewhere in the Goblins Forest area.
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Dec 11, 2018 - 07:03am PT
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I know that I am probably preaching to the choir, but RNMP SAR are totally professional and very good at a hard job. I think in a free society people should be allowed to be suicidally stupid in their endeavors, as this cadet clearly was. I can also feel for the father's grief and have compassion for him, but I am still calling him out for a totally irresponsible diatribe against RNMP SAR who typically go into harm's way for the benefit of others.
Be safe out there people, you are all valuable members of this tribe.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Dec 11, 2018 - 07:31am PT
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just goes to show that there is no such thing as military intelligence.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Dec 11, 2018 - 07:36am PT
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It sounds to me like he didn't want to come back. Why else would he wander out into a blizzard on a mountain with no protective clothing? I wonder how things were going for him at the Academy prep school.
Dito Kris!
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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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Dec 11, 2018 - 07:38am PT
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Dad should have taught common sense to his boy.
Or it's mental illness. Sad case in all directions.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Dec 11, 2018 - 07:44am PT
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Deserter?
A student at the prep academy? Only the armed forces, both active duty and active reserve service members who abandon their posts for more than 72 hours are considered "deserters". This was a student, who was not sworn under oath to serve in the active armed forces. He was not an officer candidate in the Air Force Academy either. Simply a prep school student.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:28am PT
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I think you're putting to much emphasis on the word 'deserter'. I think it's just a suggestion that he ran from something he didn't like about the school or where his life was going, and since it was military the term 'deserter' was used instead of dropout.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:30am PT
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Gumby, you can’t be court martialed for running away from yer prep school. If he did run away, I think given the resources brought to bear to find him the AF might find a way to bring some charges against him.
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Barbarian
climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:39am PT
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Only the armed forces, both active duty and active reserve service members who abandon their posts for more than 72 hours are considered "deserters".
Academy Prep students are on active reserve status.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:47am PT
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As Mooch and I have pointed out y’all are completely at sea on this not to mention it is completely irrelevant if not meaningless.
Quit beating a dead hiker!
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:51am PT
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so many st sleuths hot on the trail...
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Jan 20, 2019 - 09:09am PT
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Any updates?
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Decko
Trad climber
Colorado
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Jan 30, 2019 - 02:37pm PT
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Yep unfortunate for both of them to have most likely perished up there and very unlikely anyone will see anything again until June sometime when the melt off happens and the masses return to the area.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 30, 2019 - 04:22pm PT
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Both missing parties will likely be found eventually, unless they really wandered off to someplace bizarre.
Dunno bout that, I don’t see them fitting into Nederland.
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