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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Jan 25, 2019 - 03:12pm PT
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SusanA: "You saw no vestiges of racism, in Alabama, six years before Martin Luther King was murdered? Because you had a white friend that had a "neatly attired" black friend? Dear Lord, please help us!"
Oh, you were there too and had a different experience? I marched with Stillman College students at that time and celebrated with Joan Baez in their auditorium. I was there in a math class at the U of Alabama when George Wallace stood in the door, blocking a black man from registering. One of the ancient ROTC cannons went off for some reason and one of my classmates said "I hope they hit the bastard this time!" He was speaking of Wallace. My father upon retirement donated his library to Stillman College.
Please tell of your experiences in the south during that period. It sounds like you had a rougher time.
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SusanA
Sport climber
Bay Area
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Jan 25, 2019 - 03:43pm PT
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Oh, you were there too and had a different experience? I marched with Stillman College students at that time and celebrated with Joan Baez in their auditorium. I was there in a math class at the U of Alabama when George Wallace stood in the door, blocking a black man from registering. One of the ancient ROTC cannons went off for some reason and one of my classmates said "I hope they hit the bastard this time!" He was speaking of Wallace. My father upon retirement donated his library to Stillman College.
Please tell of your experiences in the south during that period. It sounds like you had a rougher time.
I wasn't alive then so I have no direct experiences. My grandparents were in Mississippi at that time. I have an old picture of them, "neatly attired."
But I see now they didn't have nearly as rough a time as you did, with all those ROTC cannons going off and having to celebrate with Joan Baez, and all those other hardships.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 25, 2019 - 03:53pm PT
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Christ, madbolter, you’ve gone completely wall of text apesh#t.
Thanks dmt, Susan, and others for refuting his god awful horsesh#t.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jan 25, 2019 - 03:58pm PT
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^^^ And that sort of "thinking" is why we'll probably end up in another civil war. No discussion. Just instant reversion to epithets. But that's been dirtbag's "style" for as long as I've seen.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Jan 25, 2019 - 04:14pm PT
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SusanA: My grandparents were in Mississippi at that time. I have an old picture of them, "neatly attired."
OK, I didn't know you are African-American. You know much more about the Struggle than me. Could you post that picture? Thanks.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 25, 2019 - 04:29pm PT
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Mb, I did address your blather earlier. You chose to post your usual arrogant, condescending wot. I don’t have time to write a tome in response. Maybe instead you ought to read a f*#king history book for once.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jan 25, 2019 - 04:32pm PT
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So, "pendejo," you showed up on Jan 12, and you've since posted 125 times, all but 10 (by my quick count) to politard threads. You regularly threaten or reference violence as a "solution," just as in your most recent post; and your "style" is not "discussion" but is instead almost incoherent verbiage with a smidgen of violence thrown in.
If you're not too cowardly to give us a name, please do! Hiding behind an intentionally provocative handle while you inundate the politard threads doesn't smack of any credibility.
Do you climb?
Care to come out from behind the cowardly mask?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jan 25, 2019 - 04:36pm PT
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I don’t have time to write a tome in response.
Ah, that explains the perpetual reversion to epithets, as in this latest post.
It's a time issue. Got it.
Maybe instead you ought to read a f*#king history book for once.
You know, you're right. That's my whole problem: A glaring ignorance. But, like you, I just don't have time to get educated. No good can come of it anyway; it just confuses me, so that I can't see things in any way other than superficial cookie-cutter fashion.
So, you stick with your ignorant epithet posts, and I'll stick with my ignorant WoT posts.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 25, 2019 - 04:40pm PT
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What is to discuss MB?
2019. Today.
I am not slamming the “South” , I have been all over it,with New York plates.
I have a broad view,have had to reason with many,I do not understand the defense of these monuments.
What is the reason?
Ed , I appreciate your link up there and knew Rochester would be up there. The way I understand it is that a huge amount of jobs ,Kodak, Xerox, Delco,Bausch and Lomb,DuPont he’ll even French’s mustard ,have left town,leaving a huge swath of folks with little to move on with. Not just African Americans.
We are on the edge of the rust belt for sure.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Jan 25, 2019 - 04:50pm PT
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Pendejo is no climber. He or she is a GRU troll stirring up things.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 25, 2019 - 05:11pm PT
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rSin.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 25, 2019 - 05:19pm PT
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He has a way with words,aye,lol.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jan 25, 2019 - 05:24pm PT
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So, it seems that "pendejo" will just remain a cowardly little troll.
Okay, one more handle I can ignore.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Jan 25, 2019 - 05:59pm PT
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Looks like Clueless Bay Area likes to play dirty!
SusanA posted “Jody” and a link to Jody’s bikini thread on Grossman’s SPAMMERS thread and then Jody and his bikini thread got the chop that evening. She then deleted her post on the SPAMMERS thread to erase the evidence.
Her post was on this page, before it disappeared.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=892624&tn=840 |
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Jan 25, 2019 - 06:25pm PT
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imminent domain
Behold, pendejo--the Domain doth cometh! It is foreseen. It is imminent!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 25, 2019 - 08:06pm PT
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I'm catching up on ST political threads after a busy afternoon.
Of course, I have a desire to just skim MB1's "Walls of Words," but every now & then he throws out something that shows just how differently he thinks.
I really want to share this quote of his:
Perhaps the most traitorous of the whole time was hawkish Lincoln himself, because he was just fine with spilling the blood of 600,000 Americans in order to FORCE people who did not want to participate in HIS form of government anymore.
I confess, the above thought didn't make it into any of the Civil War history books I've read. Of course, I am weak on my reading Southern histories of the American Civil War. Perhaps MB1 can quote the source, but I'm betting he can't.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jan 25, 2019 - 08:43pm PT
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Of course, I have a desire to just skim MB1's "Walls of Words,"
Which explains why you don't understand my actual points. You prefer instead to just grab this or that passage out of context, as you've done in this case. If you'd read the post, you'd see that there is reasonable supporting evidence.
Of course, I am weak on my reading Southern histories of the American Civil War.
LOL... catchy.
Perhaps MB1 can quote the source, but I'm betting he can't.
You mean, like a quote of my sentence itself? See, I'm confused about what you're after. You seem to presume that it couldn't have been an original thought of mine. The thought you're struggling with is an interpretation, not a quote.
Mostly, it was a reaction to Joe, who was flinging out the word "traitor" with as much enthusiasm as the left is eager to call people "racist".
And my overarching point, if, of course, you had bothered to read instead of "skim" (looking for something inflammatory you could emphasize), is that this whole thread is a tempest in a teapot based upon hypocritically demonizing a few people.
Even this post was probably too much for you to get through, so here's the summary of my perspective:
Human beings, INCLUDING Lincoln, are a strange mixture of goodness, greatness, and evil. So, if you are on a cause to destroy monuments to racism, you can't stop in the South; you've gotta take out the Lincoln memorial as well.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 25, 2019 - 08:56pm PT
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MB1: Wish I could say I am flattered by your response to my sharing your thoughts about Lincoln being:
perhaps the most traitorous of the whole time
It's refreshing to see you claim not to have found that unique thought in a history book, but instead, thought it up yourself.
That makes sense.
Carry on.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Jan 25, 2019 - 09:41pm PT
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I met a black vietnam vet in Chicago last year. As I have a distinct southern accent I told him where I was from and felt compelled to tell him that not all southerners were as the world would have one believe. He cut me off and said he admired southerners for one reason. He said that southerners would tell someone exactly what was on their mind. No beating around the bush Just straight up what was on their mind.
Northerners on the other hand would smile, pat them on their back and lie to their face. He also stated that when he made friends with a southerner he had a friend for life. His words not mine.
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Jan 26, 2019 - 12:49am PT
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There is no honor in victory, only sadness. I think these were Lincolns sentiments.
Even some of Hitler's men tried to kill him. What I am getting at is even bad dudes have some good men, and good dudes have some bad men. Some folks play both sides. Deals with the devil have to be made for the lesser of two evils.
The Industrialists were no angels. Read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. Short of whippings and hangings, the labor class standard of living and working conditions were horrendous filth, disease and injury. The early textile industry was punctuated with sexual exploitation, harassment, intimidation and rape. People in the North and the South were exploited.
Let all the monuments stand as testimony to the actions of both the great, and small minded people. Bring them all out into the light so their deeds may speak of their humanity and inhumanity.
Carry on.
Post Script
Personally I find all monuments dumb. Real hero's don't need monuments to themselves, they stand in history by their deeds. Let the monuments to them be orphanages and hospitals. The scum are not soon forgotten in history; neither by their opponents or supporters.
Imagine just one closet Nazi skin head taking delight in strolling through one of the death camp monuments, taking pride in his great leaders yet unfinished work. Such sick minds do exist.
Could it be that the memory of those lost in the death camps would have been better served in something truly beautiful being built in their remembrance, some place a Nazi would never find comfort in visiting.
Any fool can destroy and tear down, build on what we share in kind and forget the differences, they can take care of themselves.
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