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Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 24, 2018 - 05:20pm PT
There is no "greatest," but there are a handful of great writers and I often get asked about them. Who is my favorite? When it comes to literary non-fiction, New Journalism, or whatever you wanna call it, Gary Smith is first on my and many other lists (many time National Book Award winner).

Here are a couple gems for when you don't know what to do with the night. Of course with these pieces, photographer Marvin Newman has to be heard: "When photography works well, you can go inside the psyche of the people in the picture. You can see beyond the moment.” Can I get a witness?


https://www.si.com/longform/cotton-bowl/index.html#map8

https://www.si.com/boxing/2014/10/10/muhammad-ali-entourage
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Sep 24, 2018 - 05:22pm PT
Mark Twain is the first that pops into my mind.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 24, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
American? Too nationalist.

Carl Sagan. Richard Dawkins. James Burke. In the nonfiction genre, those are a few of my favorites. Not only informative but entertaining af.

Gene Roddenberry left his mark on me, too. Creative af.

Any of the above should have won a Nobel in literature. In retrospect, this is pretty evident.

Hey, I left you a couple questions (actually left over from 2011 - 2017) on the Mind thread. Fwiw.
Urmas

Social climber
Sierra Eastside
Sep 24, 2018 - 06:51pm PT
Jody, you know Jack London was a socialist.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 24, 2018 - 08:55pm PT
Besides Jody Langstuff my vote would be for Chuck Palahniuk.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 24, 2018 - 09:02pm PT
It has to do with your overtly anti-socialist flava, yo.
mostly.

steve s

Trad climber
eldo
Sep 24, 2018 - 09:12pm PT
Mark Twain jumps to mind first. But then I get nostalgic for Hunter S. Thompson.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 24, 2018 - 09:13pm PT
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 24, 2018 - 10:08pm PT
For me, something recent and familiar.

"The Log From the Sea of Cortez" by John Steinbeck was wonderfully subtle. He's the master of constructing complex characters in your mind by way of layering the smallest nuances people exhibit. The scenery is similarly built, mostly by tapping into the reader's own memories. I think I smelled corn tortillas burning in a skillet a few times while reading it.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 24, 2018 - 10:17pm PT
wrt steinbeck...


...kinda not cool what johnnie steinbeck did here....kinda
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Sep 24, 2018 - 10:24pm PT
Twain
Steinbeck
Vine Deloria
Pete_N

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Sep 24, 2018 - 11:31pm PT
Geez. Asking for the "greatest" kinda puts a damper on something like this, but here are a few names that come to my mind (deliberately excluding some of the obvious ones):

David Foster Wallace
Louise Erdrich
George Saunders
Wallace Stegner
Flannery O'Connor
Zora Neale Hurston
Sherman Alexi
James Welch
Studs Terkel
Bailey White
Andrei Codrescu (Romanian, I know, but one of the best observers of America I've ever read/heard)
Cormac McCarthy [edited to add!]

Why? Looking for inspiration?
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Sep 25, 2018 - 01:40am PT

Joseph Alexander Altsheler

Joseph Alexander Altsheler (April 29, 1862 – June 5, 1919) was an American newspaper reporter, editor and author of popular juvenile historical fiction. He was a prolific writer, and produced fifty-one novels and at least fifty-three short stories. Thirty-two of his novels were part of his seven series:

The Civil War Series (8 volumes)
The French and Indian War Series (6 volumes)
The Gold Series (2 volumes)
The Great West Series (2 volumes)
The Texan Series (3 volumes)
The World War Series (3 volumes)
The Young Trailers Series (8 volumes)
Although each of the thirty-two novels constitutes an independent story, Altsheler suggested a reading order for each series (i.e., he numbered the volumes). The remaining nineteen novels can be read in any order. [Note, however, that A Knight of Philadelphia was later expanded through the addition of nineteen chapters and some minor tweaks to become Mr. Altsheler's novel In Hostile Red.]

The short stories, of course, can be read in any order. However, some readers might prefer to read them in the order in which they were published. The short story list below is displayed in chronological order with the publication dates shown alongside the titles.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 25, 2018 - 06:13am PT
Story teller? William Faulkner. Each of his short stories is a gem.

Thomas Berger is also up there, he had a real flair for capturing the midwest.

Hard to beat Theodore Sturgeon for originality!
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Sep 25, 2018 - 08:07am PT
What a question. There are so many writers worth noting (at least for me), and so many captivating stories that they’ve written. We’d need a set of criteria to help us decide. Some metrics would probably be needed . . . and herein again we fall headlong into reductions. How could we measure an experience of reading? How can we measure any experience?

Forgetting for the moment scholarly literary criticism, the experience of reading and our views of the works we read are possibly more reflective indications of what we are and how we see than indications of what the writings are themselves.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Sep 25, 2018 - 08:42am PT
When I first read "The Right Stuff", I started to read other Tom Wolfe stories, and his perceptions on contemporary society, both fiction and non-fiction.
jbaker

Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
Sep 25, 2018 - 03:02pm PT
Taking this in the direction of great tellers of the American story, some recent good reads are:

Colson Whitehead - The Underground Railroad is brilliant
Michelle Alexander - The New Jim Crow
John Carreyrou - Bad Blood, Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup
Man of Constant Sorrow by Dr. Ralph Stanley
George Saunders - Lincoln in the Bardo
Michael Lewis is always an interesting writer. I saw him speak last year, and was kind of surprised that he came off as a bit of an ass who was full of himself.

Not American, but Trevor Noah's Born a Crime is a good read.
Adventurer

Mountain climber
Virginia
Sep 25, 2018 - 05:20pm PT
Paul Theroux
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 25, 2018 - 06:09pm PT
Nobody thinks Papa told a good story or three? Really?

Other than him Faulkner and Steinbeck.
B,Mark

Social climber
NorthernNY
Sep 25, 2018 - 06:14pm PT
Alistair Macleod
And yea, Hemingway
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Sep 25, 2018 - 07:13pm PT
So we're talking story tellers, not writers. So someone like Faulkner or Joyce, who are artists, sometimes subordinate the story to their craft. Jack London is a great suggestion. Raymond Chandler; I was also thinking Flannery O'Connor. I would toss Flaubert in the mix as well; Tolstoy too.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Sep 25, 2018 - 07:20pm PT
Joaquin Miller was a contemporary of Twains but was more California centric. He is an amazing story teller and spinner of tall tails both fiction and non fiction.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 25, 2018 - 07:34pm PT
Well he was a naturalized "American", but far and away, don Carlos Castaneda. Listened to him for many hours. He could write too.


Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Sep 25, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
I'm going to amend my answer: Chekhov.
john hansen

climber
Sep 25, 2018 - 08:47pm PT
I would throw James Michener into the mix. It was always easy to pick up the next chapter.

I will have to check out some of these other writers.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 25, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
Czekhov was American? 😳
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 25, 2018 - 09:10pm PT
Edgar Allen Poe gets only an honorable mention?

Stephen King?




Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 26, 2018 - 05:02am PT

He got his blankets and spread them in the hay and he was sitting eating sardines out of a tin and watching the rain when a yellow dog rounded the side of the building and entered through the open door and stopped. It looked first at the horse. Then it swung its head and looked at him. It was an old dog gone gray about the muzzle and it was horribly crippled in its hindquarters and its head was askew someway on its body and it moved grotesquely. An arthritic and illjoined thing that crabbed sideways and sniffed at the floor to pick up the man’s scent and then raised its head and nudged the air with its nose and tried to sort him from the shadows with its milky half blind eyes.
Billy set the sardines carefully beside him. He could smell the thing in the damp. It stood there inside the door with the rain falling in the weeds and gravel behind it and it was wet and wretched and so scarred and broken that it might have been patched up out of parts of dogs by demented vivisectionists. It stood and then it shook itself in its grotesque fashion and hobbled moaning to the far corner of the room where it looked back and then turned three times and lay down.
He wiped the blade of the knife on his breeches leg and laid the knife across the tin and looked about. He pried a loose clod of mud from the wall and threw it. The dog made a strange moaning sound but it did not move.

Git, he shouted.
The dog moaned, it lay as before.
He swore softly and rose to his feet and cast about for a weapon. The horse looked at him and it looked at the dog. He crossed the room and went out in the rain and walked around the side of the building. When he came back he had in his fist a threefoot length of waterpipe and with it he advanced upon the dog. Go on, he shouted. Git.
The dog rose moaning and slouched away down the wall and limped out into the yard. When he turned to go back to his blankets it slank past him into the building again. He turned and ran at it with the pipe and it scrabbled away.
He followed it. Outside it had stopped at the edge of the road and it stood in the rain looking back. It had perhaps once been a hunting dog, perhaps left for dead in the mountains or by some highwayside. Repository of ten thousand indignities and the harbringer of God knew what. He bent and clawed up a handful of smallrocks from the gravel apron and slung them. The dog raised its misshapen head and howled weirdly. He advanced upon it and it set off up the road. He ran after it and threw more rocks and shouted at it and he slung the length of pipe. It went clanging and skittering up the road behind the dog and the dog howled again and began to run, hobbling brokenly on its twisted legs with the strange head agoggle on its neck. As it went it raised its mouth sideways and howled again with a terrible sound. Something not of this earth. As if some awful composite of grief had broke through from the preterite world. It tottered away up the road in the rain on its stricken legs and as it went it howled again and again in its heart’s despair until it was gone from sight and all sound in the night’s onset.

He woke in the white light of the desert noon and sat up in the ranksmelling blankets. The shadow of the bare wood windowsash stenciled onto the opposite wall began to pale and fade as he watched. As if a cloud were passing over the sun. He kicked out of the blankets and pulled on his boots and his hat and rose and walked out. The road was a pale gray in the light and the light was drawing away along the edges of the world. Small birds had wakened in the roadside desert bracken and begun to chitter and to flit about and out on the blacktop bands of tarantulas that had been crossing the road in the dark like landcrabs stood frozen at their articulations, arch as marionettes, testing with their measured octave tread the sudden jointed shadows of themselves beneath them.
He looked out down the road and he looked toward the fading light. Darkening shapes of cloud all along the northern rim. It had ceased raining in the night and a broken rainbow or watergall stood out on the desert in a dim neon bow and he looked again at the road which lay as before yet more dark and darkening still where it ran on to the east and where there was no sun and there was no dawn and when he looked again toward the north the light was drawing away faster and that noon in which he’d woke was now become an alien dusk and now an alien dark and the birds that flew had lighted and all had hushed once again in the bracken by the road.
He walked out. A cold wind was coming down off the mountains. It was shearing off the western slopes of the continent where the summer snow lay above the timberline and it was crossing through the high fir forests and among the poles of the aspens and it was sweeping over the desert plain below. It had ceased raining in the night and he walked out on the road and called for the dog. He called and called. Standing in that inexplicable darkness. Where there was no sound anywhere save only the wind. After a while he sat in the road. He took off his hat and placed it on the tarmac before him and he bowed his head and held his face in his hands and wept. He sat there for a long time and after a while the east did gray and after a while the right and godmade sun did rise, once again, for all and without distinction.
Nick Danger

Ice climber
Arvada, CO
Sep 26, 2018 - 07:06am PT
Story tellers I very much enjoy include
Dave Roberts
Mark Twain
John Long (I'm looking at you, Largo)
Ed Hertfelder (motorcycle specific and a few decades old, but what a story teller!)
Peter Egan (for anyone whole loves motorcycles, cars, the Blues, and guitars - fabulous story teller)

Nice thread, Largo - thanks.
-ND
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Sep 26, 2018 - 08:00am PT
Is there a difference between a "writer" and a "storyteller"?

as someone said upthread, a story can be told thru song, but it takes someone to write that song.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 26, 2018 - 08:59am PT
Not a writer, but Utah Phillis was a good story teller.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Sep 26, 2018 - 12:38pm PT
Czekhov was American? 😳
Oops. Kind of a "duh" moment there. I guess I can also delete Tolstoy and Flaubert from my earlier response.

I should chime in for Hemingway too. I reread
The Sun Also Rises
not long ago just for his description of a fishing trip. Don't really care for fishing that much, but dang did he make me want to start.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 26, 2018 - 12:52pm PT
James D. Hornfischer

I will never again place Last Stand Of The Tin Can Sailors on my nightstand.



It has cost me too much sleep.
(and what is more American a story than the greatest naval victory of all time?)
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Sep 26, 2018 - 01:27pm PT
Gary, is that Utah Phillips that you are talking about? He had a duo with Mike McGuffy, who was a friend of mine when I lived in Denver.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 26, 2018 - 02:08pm PT
I drove Bruce from UCI to McCabes. He did all the talking. We didn't stop for pie!


I just looked it up, he was only 11 years older than me.


https://blogs.lib.unc.edu/sfc/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/McCabes_8.jpg



More than 1,600 musical acts have played at McCabe’s Guitar Shop in Santa Monica, California, over the last 45 years. The list on the store’s website even comes with a warning: “We lost track of a few names.”

Now Bob Riskin, the concert venue’s owner, has donated thousands of hours of recordings from those concerts to the Southern Folklife Collection (SFC) in the Wilson Special Collections Library. The SFC will preserve the recordings by creating and archiving digital copies of them.
Nick Danger

Ice climber
Arvada, CO
Sep 26, 2018 - 03:02pm PT
Toker, you got that right with James Hornfischer. I really like all of his naval histories, but Neptunes Inferno is just fantastic.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 26, 2018 - 03:04pm PT
Gary, is that Utah Phillips that you are talking about?

Oopsie, my bad. It is.

jt newgard

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Sep 26, 2018 - 05:08pm PT
Ken Burns...good call. Caught some of the Vietnam War series put out recently and a few episodes really hit hard (Ep.6-7 covering 1968-69 especially, how much awful stuff happened in that time period is insane).

I haven't seen anyone else mention Herman Melville yet. One could argue Moby Dick is like a collection of short stories as the chapters are all quite short. The preacher's sermon, Ishmael bunking up with Queequeg, poor Pip adrift in the ocean, Stubb getting kicked by Ahab's ivory leg (my favorite chapter), the awesomeness goes on. And you can't deny the career value of knowing every aspect of whaling by the time you're done reading it!!

To continue the nautical theme, Alfred Lansing did a phenomenal job with the Endurance story. Loads of primary source material finely crafted in an understated way, where most writers would probably go straight to gaudy hyperbole especially considering the epic-ness of the survival tale.

And...F Scott Fitzgerald's last page in The Great Gatsby is, on its own, far greater than anything Hemingway ever wrote! BOOM!!
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Sep 26, 2018 - 05:33pm PT
Jt newgard's sign off of "BOOM" reminds me of my days perusing Marvel and DC comics.

Do comics qualify to be in this topic? The stories and characters certainly hit the jackpot in sales in their retelling.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 26, 2018 - 07:58pm PT
zBrown, that must have been quite a ride.
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ecdh

climber
the east
Sep 27, 2018 - 12:25am PT
greatest? twain. but then a lot of nearly-runs. id add Vonnegut if we stick to authors, Welles, Dylan and Eminem if we dont.
to my mind 'great' needs to include actually influencing the medium being used.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Sep 27, 2018 - 06:49am PT
This just in, our own Gregory Crouch for non-fiction with his two fantastic works:

On China's Wings

and the latest

The Bonanza King

For fiction, Steinbeck is precious.

Jim Clipper

climber
Sep 27, 2018 - 08:18am PT
Hear hear.


Read this 20 years too late, or was it 20 years too early. Couldn't put it down. Made me realize it wasn't the drugs. Only in America. Made in the USA.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Sep 27, 2018 - 08:25am PT
Will Rodgers
TwistedCrank

climber
Released into general population, Idaho
Sep 27, 2018 - 10:16am PT
Sinatra
DWB

climber
Madison
Sep 27, 2018 - 10:45am PT
Cormac McCarthy
jogill

climber
Colorado
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:39am PT
David Poyer for his Dan Lenson US Navy series. Puts the reader right there on the roiling deck in a stormy sea.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:49am PT
John Prine, one of them, anyway...
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:20pm PT
Some pretty good picks
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 28, 2018 - 07:08am PT
Literature is so subjective...the beauty of the words lies in the eyes of the beholder.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 28, 2018 - 09:02am PT

“The truth about the world, is that anything is possible. Had you not seen it all from birth and thereby bled it of its strangeness it would appear to you for what it is, a hat trick in a medicine show, a fevered dream, a trance bepopulate with chimeras having neither analogue nor precedent, an itinerant carnival, a migratory tentshow whose ultimate destination after many a pitch in many a mudded field is unspeakable and calamitous beyond reckoning.

The universe is no narrow thing and the order within it is not constrained by any latitude in its conception to repeat what exist without our knowledge than with it and the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way. For existence has its own order and that no man's mind can compass, the mind itself being but a fact among others.”
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 28, 2018 - 09:04am PT

The world has no name, he said. The names of the cerros and the sierras and the deserts exist only on maps. We name them so that we do not lose our way. Yet it was because the way was lost to us already that we have made those names. The world cannot be lost. We are the ones. And it is because these names and these coordinates are our own naming that they cannot save us. That they cannot find for us the way again.

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 28, 2018 - 09:12am PT

The wolf watched me with her yellow eyes and in them was no despair but only that same reckonless deep of loneliness that cored the world to its heart.


We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something new to me in those eyes - something known only to her and to the mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters' paradise.


'You want to catch this wolf, the old man said. Maybe you want the skin so you can get some money. Maybe you can buy some boots or something like that. You can do that. But where is the wolf? The wolf is like the copo de nieve.
'Snowflake.
'Snowflake. You catch the snowflake but when you look in your hand you dont have it no more. Maybe you see this dechado. But before you can see it it is gone. If you want to see it you have to see it on its own ground. If you catch it you lose it. And where it goes there is no coming back from. Not even God can bring it back.'

ecdh

climber
the east
Sep 28, 2018 - 12:19pm PT
Tom Waits
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 28, 2018 - 12:27pm PT


We went to the same high school. A few years apart. I never met him.

Jim Morrison's family lived about a mile away from mine when I was in high school.

Several family killers in the area too. One is dead, the other doing life writes stories for the San Quentin Prison Newspaper.

Go figger

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Is this just a story or is it true?

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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 28, 2018 - 02:51pm PT

For let it go how it will, Tobin said, God speaks in the least of creatures.
The kid thought him to mean birds or things that crawl but the expriest, watching, his head slightly cocked, said: No man is give leave of that voice.
The kid spat into the fire and bent to his work.
I aint heard no voice, he said.
When it stops, said Tobin, you’ll know you’ve heard it all your life.
Is that right?
Aye.
The kid turned the leather in his lap. The expriest watched him.
At night, said Tobin, when the horses are grazing and the company is asleep, who hears them grazing?
Dont nobody hear them if they’re asleep.
Aye. And if they cease their grazing who is it that wakes?
Every man.
Aye, said the expriest. Every man.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 28, 2018 - 03:11pm PT
Guts

By Chuck P

Printed in Playboy magazine
March 2004

Inhale.

Take in as much air as you can.

This story should last about as long as you can hold your breath, and then just a little bit longer. So listen as fast as you can.

A friend of mine, when he was thirteen years old he heard about "pegging." This is when a guy gets banged up the butt with a dildo. Stimulate the prostate gland hard enough, and the rumor is you can have explosive hands-free orgasms. At that age, this friend's a little sex maniac. He's always jonesing for a better way to get his rocks off. He goes out to buy a carrot and some petroleum jelly. To conduct a little private research. Then he pictures how it's going to look at the supermarket checkstand, the lonely carrot and petroleum jelly rolling down the conveyer belt toward the grocery store cashier. All the shoppers waiting in line, watching. Everyone seeing the big evening he has planned.

So, my friend, he buys milk and eggs and sugar and a carrot, all the ingredients for a carrot cake. And Vaseline.

Like he's going home to stick a carrot cake up his butt.

.....End

[url=]
https://chuckpalahniuk.net/features/shorts/guts[/url]
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 29, 2018 - 12:40am PT

Two pairs of brogans went along the rows.

You aint goin to believe this.

Knowin you for a born liar I most probably wont.

Somebody has been f*#kin my watermelons.

What?

I said somebody has been …

No. No. Hell no. Damn you if you aint got a warped mind.

I’m tellin you …

“I dont want to hear it.

Looky here.

And here.

They went along the outer row of the melonpatch. He stopped to nudge a melon with his toe. Yellowjackets snarled in the seepage. Some were ruined a good time past and lay soft with rot, wrinkled with imminent collapse.

It does look like it, dont it?

I’m tellin ye I seen him. I didnt know what the hell was goin on when he dropped his drawers. Then when I seen what he was up to I still didnt believe it. But yonder they lay.

What do you aim to do?

Hell, I dont know. It’s about too late to do anything. He’s damn near screwed the whole patch. I dont see why he couldnt of stuck to just one. Or a few.

Well, I guess he takes himself for a lover. Sort of like a sailor in a whorehouse.

I reckon what it was he didnt take to the idea of gettin bit on the head of his pecker by one of them waspers. I suppose he showed good judgment there.

What was he, just a young feller?

I dont know about how young he was but he was as active a feller as I’ve seen in a good while.

Well. I dont reckon he’ll be back.

I dont know. A man fast as he is ought not to be qualmy about goin anywheres he took a notion. To steal or whatever.

What if he does come back?

I’ll catch him if he does.

And then what?

Well. I dont know. Be kindly embarrassin now I think about it.

I’d get some work out of him is what I’d do.

Ought to, I reckon. I dont know.

You reckon to call the sheriff?

And tell him what?

They were walking slowly along the rows.

It’s just the damndest thing I ever heard of. Aint it you? What are you grinnin at? It aint funny. A thing like that. To me it aint.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Sep 29, 2018 - 07:31am PT
Carl Haisen is pretty darn good and funny as hell INMOP. Largo is a damn fine cstory teller. Ed Abby, Louis Lamour's education of a wandering man is just as interesting as Ed Abby's Abby's Road. Most of what I read these days is non fiction.
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