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Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 25, 2007 - 08:09pm PT
I was just wondering if anyone out there remembers a climber
named luke Stong/ He did a lot of climbing in the 70s and early 80s. He went to jail in the middle 80s for killing his Grandmother. He was caught on his way to Yosemite, with his grandmother in the trunk, by the police. He was stopped in Victorville, for speeding, about 5 hours earlier. I think he was going to dump her body in Yosemite.
Luke lived with my wife and I, in Ridgecrest, from 77 til 79.
He started getting really weird in 78, and my wife told me either he left or she was going to leave. He was OUT within 3 days!
It sure gave me chills, when I heard he got arrested for killing his grandma. I started thinking about when he lived with us, and was sure glad, that he didn't off us, when I kicked him out.
The last thing I heard about him was that he was commited to an institution, for crazy people. Does anyone out there know what happened to him or if he is still in the psyche ward??
One thing I can say though, is, he was a good climber when
he wasn't taking LSD or other mind altering drugs.
He had this awful habit of looking at a person very strangely,
without saying anything, and then break into this evil chuckle,
or laugh. You always wondered what he was thinking at the time.
He would never tell you though, what he was thinking.
If you knew Luke,or know what happened to him, share your story, and your impressions of him.



Cosmiccragsman

Ouch!

climber
Jan 25, 2007 - 08:27pm PT
Maybe he changed his name to A. Crowley...or Russ something or other. He could be anybody. Better watch your grannies.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Jan 25, 2007 - 08:32pm PT
Wow - sounds like your wife's woman's intuition had your back!

Frightening to think about. Do you know any details as to the stroy behind his murdering his grandmother? Maybe he was living with her, similarly to the way he was at your house....

Who knows what goes on in he dark recesses of some poeple's minds..... Oftentimes even they are unaware!
WBraun

climber
Jan 25, 2007 - 08:34pm PT
He belongs in the "Worst 20th century climbing personalities".

Thief and killer, ultimate lowlife, like why bring this guy up again? Caught him casing my van one day and had him run out of the park.

Probably serving life somewhere.

And he hacked his Grandmother up.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jan 25, 2007 - 08:38pm PT
Is this the same guy known as Luke the Fluke? The guy Scott Cole and his partners found jacking their bags at the top of their fixed lines. I seem to remember there being two separate Lukes, but I can't recall now.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2007 - 08:38pm PT
I know it isn't Russ. Luke had a bunch of FAs at JT. In the old Vogal Guide book, Randy had lukes last name spelled wrong. Randy had the last name written as Strong, not Stong.
One of the FAs at JT, Luke did, was a climb called, Jughead,
in the Echo area.

Cosmiccragsman
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2007 - 08:55pm PT
Yes Werner, He definitely was a thief also. A lot of my gear came up missing also, after I booted him out.
I only brought this up, because I was curious, and I was wondering if he ever got out of prison, or the looney bin.
I just never want to run into him, if he is out. He might still bear a grudge against me for kicking him out.
I still remember the time I was climbing with him on Washingtons Column and I find out 5 pitches up, he is stoned
out of his gourd, on LSD, needless to say, after I find out,
I let him know, I was rapping going down, with or without him!
I never climbed with him again after that.

Cosmiccragsman
Standing Strong

Ice climber
still decidering
Jan 25, 2007 - 09:27pm PT
that's really scary. i just want to put in a plug for this book that crimpergirl and a couple of other folks on this forum have recommended: "the gift of fear" by gavin de Becker. in this society people aren't taught that emotional intelligence is important, so it's useful to learn to listen to intuition.


http://www.amazon.com/Gift-Fear-Gavin-Becker/dp/0440226198




Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2007 - 09:39pm PT
Thanks SS;
I wish that book had been around in the 70s, when I climbed with Luke. I would have never had an association with him,
if I could tell that he was that crazy.

Cosmiccragsman
Robb

Social climber
Under a Big Sky
Jan 25, 2007 - 09:49pm PT
I remember him very well. He came into the shop a lot & would give you that "I'm certifiable" look. I always had the immediate fear of turning my back on him. If I remember correctly all sorts of gear was being boosted in the ditch about the time that he was around, especially fixed stuff.

Cosmic
Aren't wives wonderful!!!
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2007 - 10:01pm PT
Yes they are Robb.
If only us guys could have intuition, like most women have.
We'd sure get in a lot less trouble.
I figured he was weird at the time, just not killer weird.
Who knows what would have happened to us, if I hadn't listened to my wife.

Cosmic
Abercrombie

Trad climber
Ca
Jan 26, 2007 - 12:10am PT
Climbed a little with feller named Roger Linfield around 79.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2007 - 12:38am PT
Yeah, Linfield and Luke, did a few FAs together, Jim Thoen also.
I don't think Linfield parted on good terms with Luke either.

Cosmiccragsman
James Baker

Gym climber
Baldwin Park, CA
Dec 25, 2012 - 10:27am PT
I knew Luke Stong personally. He was one of my neighbors in a condo complex in Baldwin Park early '80s. He lived with his mother, Nancy. She was as crazy as he was, on serious drugs. He worked at a 7-11 for a few days and was promptly fired. This was all a year or two before he killed his grandmother. He asked me for a ride to Riverside once. He suddenly asked me to pull over near Mt. Rubidoux where he got out. I asked him "why get out here in the middle of nowhere?" he pointed to Mt. Rubidoux and said, "I'm gonna climb that mountain." I can't believe anyone remembered that freak. He's not in the California prison inmate locator. I only thought of him because of the wackjob that shot the fireman, after hearing he too beat his grandmother to death with a blunt object. What a small world!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 25, 2012 - 10:37am PT
(October 23, 1984)
DENNIS, MABEL The body of Mrs. Garnett (Mabel) Dennis of Covina, CA was discovered in the trunk of her car recently. Her grandson, Luke Stong, 24, was driving the car and he has been charged with capital murder. Mrs. Dennis was discovered missing from her home August 15 by another former Mansfield resident, Mrs. John Kelly, a close friend and neighbor of Mrs. Dennis. Signs of a struggle were discovered in the house and her car was missing. Mrs. Kelly notified the police and the car was apprehended in Fresno. Services for Mrs. Dennis were held Tuesday, August 21. Mrs. Dennis was a sister-in-law of Erman Dennis of Mansfield and Mrs. John (Dutch Fuge) Critcher of Seymour. Her father was the late Clarence Critcher of the Odin community. She had many other relatives and friends in the area.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 25, 2012 - 10:40am PT
Psycho Killer Pillar

Originally FA'd in 1977 by Luke Stong and Tom Cowie, the routes' namesake wasn't attached until 1985 by Tom Cowie and Scott Loomis. Tom and Scott thought of the name when, in that same year, Luke Stong was convicted of first degree murder after killing his grandmother and placing her body into the truck of his car, with the intent to dump her body somewhere in Yosemite. Luke never made it to the park, only to be stopped by the CHP on the way there. Stopped for speeding along the 395, the cops soon became suspicious when they noted that Luke was edgy and nervous, insisting he needed to leave right away. A quick search of his car revealed the body of Luke's granny. CREEPY!! The same can be held true upon your arrival to Great Basin Falls and the surrounding landscape. Think 'The Hills Have Eyes' or the original crash landing scene for 'Planet Of The Apes'!
DanaB

climber
CT
Dec 25, 2012 - 10:56am PT
Actually did meet him a few times. I got the strong and immediate impression that he was a sociopath.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 25, 2012 - 11:53am PT
Cosmic....When can i move in...? RJ
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2012 - 11:58am PT
NEVER, RJ!

Tom Cowie and I are still Friends, Survival.
I just talked with him a couple of weeks ago.Tom and Loomis have been doing a bunch of routes together lately.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Dec 25, 2012 - 05:10pm PT
Luke always had a strange look in his eyes and had a way of getting personal with you when you didn't even know him. Knew your name and what you were up to before you were even introduced. Yes, that's the same guy who killed his granny and ripped off Scott Cole et alia.

Hope he's still locked up somewhere!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 25, 2012 - 09:37pm PT
Grandma killers & Father stabbers.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/25/firefighters-shot-new-york-webster/1790293/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/25/firefighters-shot-new-york-webster/1790293/
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 26, 2012 - 01:50am PT
I tend to agree with Herr Braun here. Not sure what the point is.

However, since there were some rather notorious family killers in Chula Vista, I'm always somewhat interested in killers.

Just realized this thread started in 2007. Oh.
Scole

Trad climber
Joshua Tree
Dec 26, 2012 - 04:48pm PT
Luke "The Fluke" was what we called him. Luke had been around the valley off and on for several years, repeatedly suspected, but never caught in the act of, a number of Gear rip-offs on El Cap and in Camp 4. Bob Williams and I lost all of our gear from a coffin in the rescue site once, and we were pretty sure it was Luke behind it, but no proof.

When I saw Luke at the top of the Zodiac talus moments before dark with an empty expedition pack I figured he was headed to work, so I elbowed Larry Zulim, my partner for Zodiac, sharply in the side and said for Luke's benefit,; "we'd love to stay and talk Luke, but we're headed to the Mtn. Room for a send off, and we want to get down the talus before dark, see ya later. We headed off into the trees below Tangerine Trip where our bivy was setup prior to lift-off in the AM and I explained the sit. to Larry.

It was never our intention to descend that evening so we waited as it grew darker, then crept out and watched a shadowy figure ascend our lines. With three pitches fixed, we figured it would take at least an hour for Luke to finish his job, so we went back to our camp and welcomed our friends who had come to see us off. We told everyone what was going down, and quietly waited until the time was right, then crept back to the base of the ropes.

We didn't have to wait long. Larry and I saw a dark blur above us getting closer and closer, and then reaching the ground two feet away from us. Luke began un-clipping from the rope and suddenly sensed our presence.

Luke was a little surprised that we were there, and he fell backwards into the boulders, his now full pack pulling him over. Larry and I stood up and said "we decided to come back up and sleep at the base, come on over to our camp, we have some beer and stuff". Playing it cool Luke followed us to camp where we stoked the fire, and rolled a joint. As we passed the dub around, people started to appear out of the darkness until there were five or six of us, and one Luke.

Luke was starting to look a little concerned when we asked him what was in the pack. He denied that he had our gear in the pack, and had just been retrieving some gear of his own. At about this point Roy began quietly chanting "kill him, kill him", which he continued to do for the next couple of hours. The crazed look in Luke's eyes should have been an indicator as to his potential for violence, and we should have done as Roy suggested, but we opted not to bloody our hands and marched him down the approach, pinned next to the wall and surrounded, then drove him to LEO, where he was arrested.

Luke spent some time in jail over that, and the cache of stolen gear the rangers found above camp 4. Eventually,as the story goes anyway, Luke decide it was time to return to the valley and settle the score with Larry and I, who had ruined his life. He asked granny to borrow her car, but she refused, so he killed her, cut her body into pieces, stuffed her in the trunk, and headed for the ditch.

If the cops hadn't seen blood dripping from the trunk there may have been a few more murders. I heard he got life, but that was long ago. It would be interesting to know where he ended up.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Dec 26, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
Nice job fleshing out (pun intended) the summary version I heard from you bitd Scott.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Dec 26, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
Whenever Luke would walk up to you and start addressing you on a first name basis, even though you'd never met before or even been introduced, I always thought it was suspicious. People who utilize familiarity they aren't entitled to as an entre always make me nervous about their bad intentions. I wonder why no one so far has pointed out Luke's odd physiognomy: large boned, large hands, with a big strange over-sized head and a blank stare. I know there's not supposed to be anything that one could classify as a criminal skull shape, but Luke looked like the classic 19th century definition of a criminal. Always felt I needed to take out some calipers and measure his skull shape, especially when he came up without warning and started calling me by my first name. Maybe those 19th century French criminologists were on to something that modern forensics have overlooked? In any case, Luke sure had a way of making you feel uneasy.

Thanks for that well-penned story, Scott!
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 26, 2012 - 06:02pm PT
Scary sh!t,
Glad I never had to rope up with a kook like that.
Tad
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 26, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
Bruce Morris, now that you have added that description of Luke, I actually DO remember this guy!

I had run into he and John "The Scrutinizer" (talk about an interesting looking pair) at the base of Pinched Rib one day. I was climbing with Tim Wagner at the time, and as we walked away, I remember being startled by some words Tim had for that guy....as Tim NEVER talked down about anyone.

Clearly, the looks of that guy creeped Tim out...and as I said, paired with The Scrutinizer, that was a sideshow to behold.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
John Hayward,(the scrut) and I were good friends, Crag.
Remember the green capri he drove around in?
The guy never did much leading but he sure could follow.


Someone has deleted a couple of post, on this thread since it was
last viewed before the recent revival.
They were saying if I remember right,
That Luke was out of the crazy house and among us.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:04pm PT
Yeah, Dwain, I recall his green Capri very well...with the old beater recumbent bike with the plywood seat, strapped to the roof of that car.

Also recall his diet....dried oats and a raw egg.....weird.

I never saw him lead either....but he gave me LOTS of belays back in the day. He was a very patient belayer.

Last time I saw John was up here....ran into him out at Bachar Boulders in the mid-90's.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:04pm PT
Cosmic...I wouldn't worry about Luke coming after you especially if you are wearing your scary clown costume...RJ
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:06pm PT
Scary clown costume??

You mean he dresses up like you, RJ?

:)
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2012 - 09:06pm PT
Don't forget the babyfood, Dean.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
and some call gun nuts dangerous??

Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
I had heard that he ate that stuff, Dwain...but thankfully never witnessed it.

I do recall that he used to eat ALL of my gorp that I was fond of back then...by the BAGFULL he would eat that stuff!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:14pm PT
Cragman..Yeah i got a clown suit...Got a problem with that...? How bout some more of that Gorp...? RJ
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:14pm PT
Well put about him just suddenly being there, Bruce.

I was in the back of a group of friends heading to the Mountain Room Bar at dusk, when this guy appears and falls in like one of the gang. "Hi I'm Luke" he says.

I tend to take people as good until proven otherwise, so I said hi. I was immediately given admonishment from friends who knew the score, to not talk to him, he was a thief, he was weird, buzz off Luke, etc,etc.

I had heard the story Scott posted and how the rangers were incredulous that he didn't "trip" once or twice down the trail before being delivered to them.

Walt Shipley's well deserved rep for telling stories was extra chilling one night when he was talking about "remember that Luke guy ? he got busted and you won't see him anymore. Guess who was in the trunk ? HIS GRANNY!"

Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
No problem at all, RJ...I was just confirming, as I saw the WANTED poster in the post office.

Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
Hey, anyone got a mug shot of Luke from the papers back then? That would be the icing on the cake!
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:38pm PT
cosmic thank's for the read.
sound's like luke the fluke skywalker was a lost human :(
Scole

Trad climber
Joshua Tree
Dec 26, 2012 - 10:07pm PT
Psycho Kenny and Luke the Fluke are the only climbers I have known crazy enough to actually kill someone. The rest are just a bunch of poseurs.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 26, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
A google search brings up an obit for the parents of a Luke Stong, Grand Junction/Aspen area. Dated early 2003 and list him as surviving offspring.

Nobody by that name in the California prison system.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Dec 26, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
Pshycho Kenny was an unstable climber dude around Boulder back in the 80's from what I remember. He was bonafide allright. He ended up rapping off the end of his rope at Peanuts wall and died a really graphic and hideous death.

edit-
Psycho Kenny and Luke the Fluke are the only climbers I have known crazy enough to actually kill someone. The rest are just a bunch of poseurs.

That's excellent, but I'm sure there's others. Gotta' be.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
I still have the old green Meyers Yosemite book
Luke gave me back in 77.

Credit: Cosmiccragsman
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 26, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
It will be an interesting time when Luke decides to start posting on SuperTopo !
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
We gotta climb again one of these days, Jim B.
I remember the good old days back in the 80s.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 26, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
Yeah Dwain,

Climbing in the 80's had a purity of notion that's hard to come by in middle age. It was a freak show for all the good reasons. Some were good, some were bad but some went too far and chopped up their granny and stowed her in a trunk...

Why ? How? How come why? There's no explaining levels of reason I guess for the affected who deliver psycho killer effect.

I do believe the world is good and almost all the people in it are OK, reasonably, regardless of a preponderance of C- life scores in ethics...

I was thinking a while ago about how fresh and chill the Joshua Tree air was, holding promise at sun rise.

PM me your schedule for 2013 !
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2012 - 11:02pm PT
I will JB, but it would be better if you pmed me with your schedule of when you will be down in this area.

I sure wish Bear was still around to share in the reunion
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
I googled the snot out of him and hist grandma's name but came up empty except for a mention in a geneology page. I'm not sure I got the names right.

I was in the valley during that time, but never even heard of this. I wasn't exactly clued in, though.

I do remember the gear thefts. It got so bad that every week you would hear of someone getting their racks stolen from leaving them at the top of fixed lines.
BJ

climber
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
http://inmatelocator.cdcr.ca.gov/default.aspx

He's not in the system
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
BJ;
I don't think he was in the correctional system
I believe he was commited to a psych facility.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
One of Layton's partners killed a woman and got busted after she was in the trunk of his car for 4 days, and one of the climbers who made a very early ascent of the Nose killed many people.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
Inmate locator is not always right, one Chula Vista killer is not listed, but I know where he is.

From CCCman's photo, it does appear that the folks in Colorado were Stong's parents.


Yikes:


One of Layton's partners killed a woman and got busted after she was in the trunk of his car for 4 days, and one of the climbers who made a very early ascent of the Nose killed many people. Quote Here

Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
^^Napa ?
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
If alive, more likely Napa, or residing in a locked, secured residential care facility. His criminal case went to the Cal. Sup. Ct in 1993, but they denied review.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2012 - 11:38pm PT
Just Talked with my friend Tom.
Luke still is, or was in Patton.
Allen Hill

Social climber
CO.
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
Ron, she actually froze to death. He shot her, she survived, and they found her frozen and clearly in the act of crawling out of his van. He was a few hundred yards away and in fact shot himself but survived. He's out of Canyon City. In fact I met him last Summer. It freaked me out for very personal reasons. The abduction happened in front of my college advisors house and he was the guy that called the police. He still lives with the guilt of that call not saving her life. She was 19. Anyhow just felt I should clear that up a little and not to call out you by any means.

I seem to remember Kenny pulling a block off on himself. That was a bad year for the Boulder community. Lots of carnage.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:45pm PT
1999 article - Chula Vista family killers

Goedecke is dead
Morse is still in prison, doesn't show up in locator

This article profiles 12 murderers identified by prosecutors and police officers as truly evil due to their lack of remorse, their killings of police officers, their being a police officer who killed, or their multiple murders.
Abstract: Brenda Spencer was 16 years old in 1979 when she shot and killed an elementary school principal and custodian and wounded eight children and a police officer. Veronica and Ivan Gonzales abused and tortured their niece to death and became the first married couple in California to go on death row. Other offenders in this group include triple murderer Joseph Bernard Morse and murderers Robert Alton Harris and Raymond Goedecke. Charles Tyberg and Joselito Cinco killed police officers and were sentenced to death. California Highway Patrol Officer Craig Peyer strangled a 20-year-old woman. Cleophus Prince, Jr., was prosecuted for the stabbing deaths of six women in 1993. Other serial killers profiled include David Lucas and Brandon Wilson

Luke Stong is still alive by the lookup that reveals Goedecke is dead.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
One of Layton's partners killed a woman and got busted after she was in the trunk of his car for 4 days, and one of the climbers who made a very early ascent of the Nose killed many people. Quote Here


ha! So its starting to look like more than a few screws loose after all! What the hell is with the car trunk sh#t? In the usual continental us climate isn't that like putting her in the slow cooker? And just who the hell is this very early ascent of the Nose guy who "killed many people"? I don't remember reading any of this stuff in Chris Jones history book!

I take it all back - you guys really do need your guns!!!!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 27, 2012 - 12:07am PT
Toadsky,

Poor old Luke spent his time stealing climbing gear at the top of fixed ropes and then ultimately murdered and cut up his grand mother so she would fit in the trunk of her car he then stole.

Mental illness for being wierd only, as described and sometimes cured, is a long way from proper state sanctions for working one's amateur butchering skills on an old woman and stuffing her bits in a trunk...

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 27, 2012 - 12:09am PT
Allen, consider the source.
Thanks for the correction.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 27, 2012 - 12:12am PT
As the California Supreme Court powerfully stated in _People v. Morse_, the jury "looks at the individual as a whole being and decides
if he is fit to live," 60 Cal.2d 631, 637. In making this awesome
decision, the jury is guided by the instructions of the trial judge,
which define a reasoned process for approaching what remains a
profoundly moral decision about the value of a human life.

If, upon weighing the applicable aggravating and
mitigating factors, you conclude that the
appropriate penalty is life imprisonment without
the possibility of parole, then it would be a
violation of your duty as jurors to return a
verdict of death out of fear or concern that the
Department of Corrections or its Director may fail
in their responsibilities under law to provide the
defendant with psychotherapy or other care which
may be needed to achieve rehabilitation or prevent
future acts of violence."

Allen Hill

Social climber
CO.
Dec 27, 2012 - 12:39am PT
Consider the source! That's for sure Ron. Funny you should mention the other guy. The last route I did this past fall is one of his. Absolutely classic 5 inch offwidth to a scary face protected by two bolts he drilled something like 40 years ago. His Platte routes are all genius.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 27, 2012 - 12:47am PT
Well mine aren't, and there's only one of them.

But doesn't 5" make it a fist crack?
turd

climber
Dec 27, 2012 - 12:51am PT
I seem to remember Kenny pulling a block off on himself.

I remember hearing this story and a bunch of others about Kenny in the late '80s in Boulder. Didn't the Shield in Eldo get renamed "Psycho Killer" after he pulled the block off?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 27, 2012 - 12:54am PT
Spencer - yep - another one for San Diego

and Huberty (San Ysidro)

Harris was another San Diego guy.

Harris was twenty five years old when he shot two San Diego teenagers to death. Prosecutors told the jury that Harris taunted the victims before they died, laughed at them after he pulled the trigger, then calmly ate the hamburgers they had bought for lunch

His last words before dying in the gas chamber:

"You can be a king or a street sweeper, but everyone dances with the grim reaper." (from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure no less). Doesn't appear to by a lyric in anyone's song.

Robert Harris had a violent and unhappy childhood that started in the womb. He was born three months premature after his mother was brutally assaulted by his father who kicked her in the stomach. Both parents inflicted frequent beatings on young Robert who suffered a broken jaw at the age of two after a punch form his father. For sport, his father would load a gun and tell the children they had 30 minutes to hide outside the house, after which he would shoot them down like animals.


http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/harris169.htm

Wonder what Luke's early life was like.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 27, 2012 - 01:30am PT
got some drift here, but doesn't it always go that way?

Procedure 769

Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Dec 27, 2012 - 02:33am PT
Such a picturesque post-modern setting!
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Dec 27, 2012 - 02:57am PT
If it's the same guy, I remember Luke "Skywalker".
Weird guy with far away eyes.
Not at all surprised if he turned out to be a Granny murderer.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 27, 2012 - 03:12am PT
Same guy.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Dec 27, 2012 - 03:47am PT
You guys are scaring me silly! I figure most folks are selfish and that's the reason they do bad stuff. Most are not truly evil, just extremely short sighted. This guy, now that's evil.

May I and the folks I love, heck even the folks I dislike... May they never have the experience of dealing with someone who is truly Evil.

AFS
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Dec 27, 2012 - 04:08am PT
Yeah. I remember that guy. He had a way creepy vibe. I heard about him dismembering Granny and didn't even blink.
Allen Hill

Social climber
CO.
Dec 27, 2012 - 04:14am PT
I have small hands Ron. And the thing flares. It has a classy name that you of all people could dig. "Chamber Music."
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Dec 27, 2012 - 05:40pm PT
was'nt there another guy that was kinda of a killer among us climbers? ken black or something?
Bruce Morris thank's for the detailed story.
i'm not old enuf to have seen or met any of the climbers back in the 80's.

Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 27, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
Yikes! Dick Cilley SWEARS he saw Luke in JT a couple of years ago. I'll refrain from posting until there is certain proof he is behind bars, still. Scary stuff with him on the loose.
DanaB

climber
CT
Dec 27, 2012 - 06:03pm PT
You guys are scaring me silly! I figure most folks are selfish and that's the reason they do bad stuff. Most are not truly evil, just extremely short sighted. This guy, now that's evil.

Trust us, they're out there. The number of sociopaths on the loose is pretty scary, and you have to trust your instincts.

I worked with another ER nurse who went on to medical school. Everyone liked him, but I always thought he was really creepy and scary - never trusted him. Five years later he was sentenced to 25-30. He was working as an intern, went on the Ob/Gyn floor, injected Valium into a young woman's IV line and then raped her.

And Google Michael Swango (the psycho MD) if you want to see how easy it is for these types to blend in and do harm.

Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist
Dec 27, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
Anybody have a photo of the guy?? Didn't Greg Childs Half Dome story have a photo of him hangin on a line?
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Dec 27, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
There has to be a Luke Stong mug shot published or available someplace in a newspaper or elsewhere? Anybody?

I notice in the Colorado obituary that Luke's mother died of Alzheimer's at the ripe old age of 61. And his father died of the Big C at 65. That sounds like there are some errors in his genetic code, doesn't it? What's that 1930s movie called, "Bad Seed"? Sure doesn't come from a robust blood line in any case.

Luke wandering around Josh right now? Yikes!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 27, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
Yer scared, but are you scared ENOUGH?

Some studies have found 1% of the world's humans are sociopaths.
Many just don't "act out".
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 27, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
Maybe a Supertopo benefit is in order.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 27, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
I still have some C4 from my army days. Luke could get some neat ideas from the internet and have a blast!
Fogarty

climber
BITD
Dec 27, 2012 - 09:10pm PT
I never meet this Luke guy but I know some one unfortunately was climbing with him in the
80'S I will ask him to post some photos.



I'm scared for posting this ( Lock & Load )
john hansen

climber
Dec 27, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
A friend who taught me to climb in the mid 70s once mentioned someone named "Foltz" or something who had killed some one with a piton hammer.

As he said , he "Foltzed" them. Anyone remember something like that?
weezy

climber
Dec 27, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
Sociopaths often flourish in corporate environments. Just gotta keep from killing grandma and get that MBA. Make all your most profane financial dreams come true. When life gives you lemons and all that.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 27, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
I think Dwain said it about as well as it gonna get said. From what can be determined, he is still alive, but he's taking his private thoughts to the grave.

He had this awful habit of looking at a person very strangely,
without saying anything, and then break into this evil chuckle,
or laugh. You always wondered what he was thinking at the time.
He would never tell you though, what he was thinking.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 27, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
They flourish in politics as well.

It may be hereditary.

last name that starts with K?
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Dec 27, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
This type of thing is why I won't post my personal information.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 27, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
Drifting again, whilst looking for Luke Stong



THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Plaintiff
VS.
LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI Defendant

HON. CLAYTON W. HORN Judge

The defendant is charged with a violation of Section 311.3 of the Penal Code of the State of California. Defendant pleads Not Guilty. The complaint alleged that the defendant did willfully and lewdly print, publish and sell obscene and indecent writings, papers and books, to wit: "Howl and Other Poems."


...


The theme of "Howl" presents "unorthodox and controversial ideas." Coarse and vulgar language is used in treatment and sex acts are mentioned, but unless the book is entirely lacking in "social importance" it cannot be held obscene. This point does not seem to have been specifically presented or decided in any of the cases leading up to Roth v. United States.

http://mason.gmu.edu/~kthomps4/363-s02/horn-howl.htm


Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 27, 2012 - 11:30pm PT


photo not found
Missing photo ID#280862
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Dec 28, 2012 - 12:58am PT
Is that thar Tony Perkins? The hotelier with a mummified mother he holds private conferences with the basement?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:01am PT
I brew an excellent Oleander tea.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:04am PT
For some reason it amazed people that I knew what actor played the second character killed in Psycho in a round of Trivial Pursuit.

But I built model rockets as a kid.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Dec 28, 2012 - 03:04am PT
Hell, I still make model rockets, Toker:

Credit: Bruce Morris

Here are some V2s I built in 2007. Rescued three complete classic Revell kits from the basement of a home in Burlingame in 2007 right after the owner collapsed and was whisked off to ER. No medical insurance so it was being demolished.

Johnny on the spot! Doesn't place me in Luke Stang's league though.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 28, 2012 - 11:39am PT
You guys are scaring me silly! I figure most folks are selfish and that's the reason they do bad stuff. Most are not truly evil, just extremely short sighted. This guy, now that's evil.

So is this.
http://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/stayner-cary-photos.htm
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20128905,00.html

Steven Stayner memorial bronze in Applegate Park, Merced.
Steven Stayner memorial bronze in Applegate Park, Merced.
Credit: GI
This was the most bizarre scenario. Boy gets kidnapped, becomes a hero, dies in a motorcycle accident, and his older brother becomes a serial killer. Murder In Yosemite is quite a good book, it is a gruesome story, though...



rand0M aXiS

Trad climber
Beserkeley now living in Daygo
Dec 28, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
Did this guy have blonde hair, shoulder length? I can remember an @$$hole acid eating climber in '73 that latched onto a climbing circle. I woke up in the middle of the night in my tent cabin at Camp 6 and he was leaning over me chantin weird mantras. A real pyscho...
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
Still no official word on his whereabouts? Creepy.
Steve L

Gym climber
SUR
Dec 28, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
Cool thread. Crazy sh#t if this dude is in JT, although there are probably far worse characters creeping around the basin.

My ex-girlfriend’s mom and aunt met Cary Stayner at the Cedar Lodge. They were staying there for a couple of days while visiting the park. Apparently there was something wrong with their room – I forget what exactly, the shower wasn’t working, or something. Anyway, they call the front desk about the problem, and the desk sends over the handyman. Stayner comes in, takes a look at the problem, and says he’ll need to come back with some different tools, or a part or whatever. My ex’s mom got such a bad vibe from the guy that she told her sister she couldn’t stay there any longer and had to leave. They packed their stuff and went to another motel. The way she told it, she was trembling when they left, but couldn’t figure out why. She just knew she had to get out of there. Later it came out that he had killed some of the female guests that stayed there. Always good to trust your spidey-sense!
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 28, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
The People v Stong

Patient information and medical records are not public records
and are subject to HIPAA disclosure protections and requirements
as well as California Welfare and Institutions Code §5328.

Luke Dennis Stong's case went to the California Supreme Court in 1993 and was denied review. This was an appeal from 2nd Appellate District. His attorney was in San Luis Obispo, making it a good guess that Stong was in Atascadero. However, from Court of Appeals case:

Stong, Luke D. : Defendant and Appellant
Patton State Hospital
3102 E. Highland Avenue
Patton, CA 92360

Trial Court Case: A532614 (07/31/1990)
Court of Appeal Case: B061326
Supreme Court Case: S031611

Since his grandmother lived in Covina, his case would have been in Los Angeles Superior Court. For about $5.00 you can look it up at the court's web site.



Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 28, 2012 - 02:05pm PT
I got a catalog request from him a long time ago from some "facility". Never sent it though as "wall climbing" gear is the last thing I'd be sending out to him.

I might have kept the request.... I'll look around and post it up if I find the letter.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2012 - 03:25pm PT

Luke Stong, Is still DEFINITLY in Patton.
I just got off the phone with the, Forensic Psych, at Patton.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Dec 28, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
^^^^

What's up stalker?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 28, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
Maybe he got a day pass and just cruised on over to JT for a day of bouldering?
Robb

Social climber
It's Ault or Nunn south of Shy Annie
Dec 28, 2012 - 03:52pm PT
Separated at birth?
Credit: Robb
TWP

Trad climber
Mancos, CO
Dec 28, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
Cosmiccragsman:

Might want to call the forensic pay and ask if Luke is eligible for parole? If so, when? Or being held until a shrink states he is no longer a danger to the community?

If you find out, you might want to post that too.

Lots of murderers (even ones once sent to death row) get paroled after 25 years (or so) in prison.

Edit ex post facto:

PSP, responding below, tries to make me look stupid; however, a lot of murderers on death row win appeals, get new trials, and then the prosecution throws in the towel on the death penalty and they get resentenced to life imprisonment, and viola, they become parol eligible and get out. I can cite a specific example if anyone doubts me.
Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Dec 28, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
The Sierra Madre, CA- based sheep buggers don't want to take any credit for Luke's early development, but apparently Luke was a grade-school and Boy Scout mate and could tell stories if they were so inclined.

Not sure what he was like as a teen but likely pretty much a younger version of ratshit crazy evil person he grew up to be.

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
"What's up stalker? "




No ElCap, not stalking him., afraid of the reverse.
Just a concerned person who knows what he was like.
We did not part on the best of circumstances.

And after hearing that someone saw him out, REAL concerned!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 28, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
Man, if this guy gets out and reads this, he's going to be pissed.

Or maybe not. What's the current recividism rate in the US?

OK, I found it. It's 60% in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 28, 2012 - 04:30pm PT
TPW , death row prisoners don't get paroled. If released it is because they are found not guilty.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Dec 28, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
What a weird thread, I sort of have to agree with Werner. Just my two cents
BJ

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 04:48pm PT
He isn't on the Vine network either, which seems wrong. If you get thrown into the loony bin for killing grandma, you should be under the same public disclosure laws as a criminal, and not a private patient.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Dec 28, 2012 - 04:56pm PT
So Cosmic,
How did it come about that this guy lived with you and what was it like? I'm really curious.
Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
"Whatever Happened to Luke Skywalker" is from Greg Childs book "Postcards From the Edge" and the story was published in Climbing magazine in 1998, I believe. That story as published in Climbing had a photo of the guy (Luke Strong) . I threw out my copy of that issue about 3 months ago
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:37pm PT
Full text is here; http://books.google.ca/books?id=v18HOmSk5FsC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA101&ots=wH9yphuffI&dq=%22Whatever+Happened+to+Luke+Skywalker%22&output=html_text
Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
Thanks, Big Mike.. My bad: I thought the photo was of Luke, but it was Childs partner named "the Dog"....
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2012 - 05:47pm PT
It was, Stong, walleye.




I'll tell you the story in person, Timid
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
Raymond Goedecke, one of the Chula Vista family killers, got out on parole and married a woman he'd met through a "jailhouse romance". Not sure of the time frame, but once out, he killed his wife and went back to prison where he died.

Joe Morse, the first CV family killer, on the other hand, killed a trustee not long after he was jailed in a dispute over cigarettes. He's still alive and writes and edits the prison inmates newslettter.

They never seemed to get that lovin' feeling we hear about.



Russ S.

climber
was Seattle, now Spokane
Dec 28, 2012 - 07:33pm PT
Yeah, Linfield and Luke, did a few FAs together, Jim Thoen also.
I don't think Linfield parted on good terms with Luke either.

Cosmiccragsman

CosmicCragsman - Jim Thoen and I use to climb together in a group from the San Diego area in late 70's. I've been trying to find a mutual friend, Ken Marsh. If you're in contact with Jim, please pass this on.

Thanks, Russ Schwartz
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
I haven't talked with Jim in quite a few years, but if I do I will let him know, Russ.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 28, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
^deviled eggs

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
Yeah, Justifiable.

:-S

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 28, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
Justifiable.....only if the victim had started a political/religious thread. Too many of them and they need culling. Nurture climbing thread launchers....an endangered species, they are.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2012 - 10:04pm PT
"Justifiable.....only if the victim had started a political/religious thread."




Uh oh, we could end up with a lot of dead bodies in trunks around here!


:)
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 28, 2012 - 10:06pm PT
Precisely!!!
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Dec 29, 2012 - 08:38am PT
Uh oh, we could end up with a lot of dead bodies in trunks around here!

Or in the food 'coffins' in C4
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:47am PT
Raymond Goedecke, one of the Chula Vista family killers, got out on parole and married a woman he'd met through a "jailhouse romance". Not sure of the time frame, but once out, he killed his wife and went back to prison where he died.

Who could have seen that coming? :/
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 29, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
This is some bizarre material. Who murders their grandmother?

I'm curious if any older Wyoming climbers remember a crime in the 1970's ...a member of the climbing community, with another man abducted two sisters, beat and sexually abused them and threw them from a bridge over a deep canyon..

My folks told me of the crime, but I don't recall any names...one of the sisters survived the fall and found a lapse in the canyon walls and crawled out with several skeletal fractures. She identifiedv the men, they were found guilty, but their death sentences were overturned.

The surviving victim had difficulty struggling with the emotional wreckage in her life and jumped from the same bridge years later ...and was killed. A grotesque series of events but factual...
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Dec 29, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
How about a boob thread? Is that justifiable?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 29, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
Yup, Jennie, Fremont canyon, near Casper. I'll get a link. Clinton McKinzie recounted this in one of his novels.

I first heard that story whole on the bridge where it happened, the first time I climbed there. - that was creepy!

Edit here is a start;
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1243&dat=19920830&id=WdY9AAAAIBAJ&sjid=wYYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6955,1519014
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 29, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
Just a thought, but of those who remembered Luke Stong, how many can forget him?



or



Does Luke Stong remember you?
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 29, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
Thanks for posting the link, Jay.

The newspaper write up is pretty close to what I'd been told...but more detailed.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 29, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
I think Anastasia likes Stong and hopes Stong likes boobs...? Just a hunch...RJ
crock

Trad climber
The Windiest Mountain, Wyoming
Dec 29, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
Jennie & Jay,

'Fall: The Rape and Murder of Innocence in a Small Town':
http://www.amazon.com/Fall-Rape-Murder-Innocence-Small/dp/0882822799

Amazon has photos of the bridge and the cliff and river on the site.

It is a sad and gruesome story. The book is well done. The guys who committed the crime were disgusting.

The climbing there is pretty good, too, wonderful cracks in a pretty setting with camping nearby.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 29, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
All this of murderers and father-rapers and no talk of lawyers we have climbed with?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 29, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
Climbing with lawyers is something only Geraldo or Springer would touch....Be very afraid...RJ
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 29, 2012 - 02:49pm PT
I appreciate you posting the Amazon link, Crock. I wasn't aware of the Franscell book.

I ordered a used copy. A frightful story... perhaps we have a desire to understand other humans at both their best and worst.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 29, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
I would read that if I came across it, but I'm not sure I would pursue it. Grim story, though probably fascinating.
dickcilley

Social climber
Wisteria Ln.
Jan 3, 2013 - 06:30am PT
Funny,I think I posted several factual Stong stories years ago on this thread.Maybe Luke deleated them.I definately saw Luke in JT.years after he was sent away.He greeted me by name but I didn´t stop to chat about old times.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:44am PT
I've climbed with lawyers.

You just have to bear in mind that they are ectothermic.
BJ

climber
Jan 3, 2013 - 10:14am PT
Funny,I think I posted several factual Stong stories years ago on this thread.Maybe Luke deleated them.I definately saw Luke in JT.years after he was sent away.He greeted me by name but I didn´t stop to chat about old times.


Only yourself, a mod or an admin could delete your older posts.

Besides your claims, there is no evidense that Luke is anywhere other than the loony bin
otisdog

Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
Jan 3, 2013 - 10:14am PT
Sewellymon - care to explain your "Sierra Madre based sheep buggers" remark earlier in the thread? As a life long resident of that town, i don't recall a Luke strong in town...and in a mile square town, you basically either know, or know of, everybody.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 3, 2013 - 10:22am PT
That Fremont Canyon story is really sad. Those animals should never get paroled.

I hope Kennedy was not the climber.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 3, 2013 - 11:06am PT
leroy 'n luke part 1
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=178051&msg=178121#msg178121


Then I found this;
Leroy

climber

Nov 9, 2005 - 11:56am PT
Kenny was a psycho but Luke was in another League.Fish and I used to scratch Kennys prize Vdub with the rivets of our Levis while looking him in the eye.Kenny wouldnt even think of saying anything.But if u looked in Lukes eyes ,u knew he´d kill u.Still I funked with him some.I´ve seen him since the Granny incident.So I cant help but wonder if its true.I kept walkin though he saluted me by name.Any sitings?
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=72406&msg=117435#msg117435

that was apparently in response to this form the Fish;


Nov 1, 2005 - 09:58am PT
It is all muddy in my brain, but to the best of my knowledge:

Luke the Fluke, Granny in trunk, aka Luke Skywalker, line jugger, gear thief. All true.

Ken the psycho, psycho, got killed on the Peanut in Eldo when his rope cut at his waist. Cops were in the parking area looking for him in Eldo as he was wanted for killing a guy in the Buttermilk while bouldering. Shallow grave.

Bullwinkle caught a thief in camp 4.... can't remember the guys name, but he got thumped and litterally dragged through the mud all the way to the cops.

Fight at the base of the Zodiac... Yo hammer used on a guys back. They ended up throwing rocks at Ken the Psycho to keep him back. The guy who got hit with the hammer I can't remember his name, but it starts with an F?? Finnegan? Flarety? Fogerty? Anyway, it was all over fixed lines and gear at the top of the lines and bailing partners.

How does any of this tie into me?

Well..... Luke the Fluke lived out by us sheep buggerers with his Granny, and we have given him rides to and from the crags before. Mistake I tell you. I also went with Dick Cilley and Luke to do an FA in Josh (Cilleys masterpiece The Living Conjunction) and Luke was to bring the gear. He had it all sewn into his sport coat..... we did not have nearly enough. All my rack was in camp, hidden.... Luke goes back early to get more gear. When we all get back, all my rack is gone.... all of it. I think Sewellymon had a climbing class with Luke in it and Karl with a K!!! unreal!!!! Anyway, I get a call from the cops in Yosemite... seems that Luke had a ton of gear and I quote "wanted to be the best climber in the world..." In the stash was my entire rack. Got it back!!!! Mark your gear peoples!!!

Next nutcase: Ken the Psycho is hangin out at JT, as we all were.... He has already told a few people that he will kill them if they touch his car..... we might have been a bit tipsy, but we used to pee on the fender and sit on his car to get rise out of him. Anyway... all my rack goes missing again from camp. Weeks pass and I see Psycho Kenny climbing with one of my biners on his rack. Keen eye here boys.... so I confront him... he says some BS about how he found it etc... no way.... so I go back to his camp when he finishes climbing with a biner chain as a weapon..... he freaks and hops in his car and blow outta there for town... the cops are doing the loop so I send JT's finest to chase him down. They nab his ass and he sings like a canary... some guy he is staying with in town has a mountain of gear in his livingroom... all stolen from JT. I get all my rack back. After this is when he allegedly killed some dude in the Buttermilk.

Moral: always mark your gear and always file a report with the Tool-deJour™™™™ I've got two full racks returned to me. this way
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 3, 2013 - 11:38am PT
"Besides your claims, there is no evidense that Luke is anywhere other than the loony bin"




As per my post a week ago, Luke is STILL in Patton.
It was Verified by the Forensic Psych Department at Patton.



Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Jan 3, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Otis wrote, "Sewellymon - care to explain your "Sierra Madre based sheep buggers" remark earlier in the thread? As a life long resident of that town, i don't recall a Luke strong in town...and in a mile square town, you basically either know, or know of, everybody. "

Having lived in Sierra Madre from '81- '93 and '06- '11, it seemed the people in town you got to know best were the underemployed or the retirees lounging around downtown gabbing over endless cups of coffee. The rest of us just kind of went about our business..

Otis, dunno if you knew any of the Sierra Madre climbers from the late 70's (Moonie, Fish, The Driver, Karl Runde) but I recall them saying Luke was in their Boy Scout troop at some juncture. Bet he had those scary empty eyes even back then.

Oh- and Russ's post upthread-- never had Luke in the climbing class, but Karl with a K did enroll in the class we had at Cal State.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 3, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
" i don't recall a Luke strong in town.."


Maybe because his last name was Stong, not Strong.


:)

It was good seeing you after all the years, at Perris Lake, Swelly!
BJ

climber
Jan 3, 2013 - 12:49pm PT

As per my post a week ago, Luke is STILL in Patton.
It was Verified by the Forensic Psych Department at Patton.


Maybe they let him out to go bouldering? Make him promise to come back
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Jan 3, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
thanks for creeping out my morning, gang. Remind me to quit teaching little kids the joy of torturing small animals.
Gerg

Trad climber
Calgary
Jan 3, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Speaking of weirdos in the Valley, a few years ago I was bouldering on what I think is called the Bridwell Boulder near the road, enjoying the sun, and this older man in his 60s comes over dressed in a one piece mechanics suit, carrying a tiny knapsack, says he is from Modesto or some place just outside the Valley. Once we finish our initial hellos, he starts getting real angry at me about Obama, so I had to agree with whatever he said as i thought he was going to assault me. Once he finally left me alone I saw a police or warden(?) pass by and stopped him and told him the incident. The officer seemed uninterested however.
otisdog

Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
Jan 3, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
Sewellymon - thanks for the explanation. Looks like I didn't know as many people in town as I thought. After reading the links, I'm glad i didn't. Our Sierra Madre boy scout troop, #384, was disbanded by BSA for nefarious deeds.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 3, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
I've just scheduled an interview with Luke Stong as I pass by on the way to visit Joe Morse. Any specific greetings or questions for him?











































not really ...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 3, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
Moral: always mark your gear and always file a report with the Tool-deJour


In my opinion this is mandatory. If ever threatened, even if just implied go straight to the cops and make a statement. At least if you suddenly disappear they'll know where to start looking.

This worked in my favor when I revealed to the antagonist that I had made a cop statement. His next ugly move would then be fraught with peril, which I think accounted for him backing off and paying what he owed me. Caution with this move however, as psycho's don't necesarrily think like us.

I tell my kids exactly the same thing. Anyone threaten you go straight to the cops and insist on a written statement. It is your right and it is why they exist, at least in theory.

Rolfr

Social climber
North Vancouver BC
Jan 3, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
Here’s what happened to me, when I went to the authorities after being threatened.

I work in a tough industry, I own a large drywall contacting company and we are always hiring . I’ve had three death threats against me over the years by various psychotics, but the last one a few years ago was the most disturbing.

Being short of money one of my subs decides that I should pay him considerably more than we agreed upon. Things escalate over the weeks, to the point where he leaves me a cell phone message, that he wants his “F-ing money and he wants it F-ing now, and don’t F-ing forget that he is F-ing Italian and I should watch my F-ing back and maybe some of my F-ing job sites may F-ing burn down.”

I transfer the cell phone message onto my business answering machine to save a copy to play for the authorities, under outgoing message 2, ( didn’t have one of those old tape recorders) and contact the local RCMP who advise me to get a restraining order after listening to the tape. This guy was already known by the cops.

I speak to my Lawyer Darryl. He tells me his story, “ I had a guy come in my office and point a handgun at me and tell me my days are numbered, the RCMP advised me not to walk in front of any windows for a while.”

We agreed that my business good name, and life where worth more than aggravating the crazy sub and escalating the whole situation, so I offered him a portion of his demands, which he cheerfully took, and said I should call him if I had any more work! WTF.

Later that afternoon, I was outside gardening with my wife, working off the stress, when the business phone rings, before I can run in, the answering machine message kicks in, “I want my f-ing money, I want it F-ing now, and don’t forget i’m f-ing Italian , etc.”

I looked at my wife and we both break out in hysterical laughter, guess I didn’t get that customers job.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 3, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Psychos abound Rolf, regardless of the pecking order.

Recently a steel stud framer decided he was going to slap me down and step on my face. This arose out of me being pushed by the client enough that I had made a mistake in layout.

All I could think of was, I can't let this unbalanced individual get the upper hand or I've truly lost control of what I was responsible for. So I did the "what was that you just said ?" routine and he thankfully backed off.

Holy f*#k, and whatever, seemed to rule the moment.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:39am PT
Oh shit
BJ

climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 09:03am PT
I bet none of the commercial GWB guys in Van have grandmothers
MisterE

Social climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 10:06am PT
After reading this whole thread, it seems that Scott and Larry were pretty lucky that Luke didn't make it to the valley.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 4, 2013 - 10:25am PT
"Any specific greetings or questions for him?"

This place had a helluva rep in Sacratomato. It's out near Ione.

Preston Reformstroy, Ione.
Preston Reformstroy, Ione.
Credit: GI
You ever live here, Luke? It's got terrific buildering. And ghosts.

We used to get mild threats from our scoutmaster whenever we went near the place on trips to camp and gold-pan on the Moke.

http://anybodythere.net/cgi-bin/paranormal-forums/YaBB.pl?num=1299486401

It's the Bad Boys' Labor Camp.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Rolfr, being from Chicago I can assure you that your 'Italian' was a bogus
wannabe. Real wise guys don't make idle threats, luckily for you. :-)

A few years ago I was back there visiting the rels. My cousin, not Vinny,
told me of an incident from the Things Don't Change Department. His lawyer,
a friend, had dropped by his office, mainly just to chat. Dale took a call
from his accountant who was pressing him to collect on an outstanding
bill from a local roofing company. His lawyer's ears perked up as he listened
to the conversation. When Dale hung up his friend said,

"Dale, as your lawyer and, more importantly, your friend I don't think you
should push too hard on collecting that bill. Just write that one off."
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:33am PT
Later that afternoon, I was outside gardening with my wife, working off the stress, when the business phone rings, before I can run in, the answering machine message kicks in, “I want my f-ing money, I want it F-ing now, and don’t forget i’m f-ing Italian , etc.”

I looked at my wife and we both break out in hysterical laughter, guess I didn’t get that customers job.

Hilarious.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:04pm PT

Rottingjohnny, thank god I don't know you.

I am actually very scared of the Luck Stong(s) of the world. I plan to stay in my little corner, safe with my son and listen to my husband since he has a bigger clue about the world than I do.

I like my boring, small, nothing interesting is here, life. I'll chew my leg off to just keep it this way.

AFS



Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
Anastasia, RJ is well house-trained and would even drink with a lawyer.
As far as climb with one I would not be so presumptuous.
WBraun

climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
After reading this whole thread, it seems that Scott and Larry were pretty lucky that Luke didn't make it to the valley.

Not true.

We were ready for him.

He would have gotten the beat down of a lifetime ......
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 6, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Anastasia...Reilly is right.... For once... I just cleaned my litter box and will drink with lawyers only if they buy....as for climbing with one , no dice....RJ
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