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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 15, 2018 - 08:03am PT
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Seriously- not trolling!
I have had better than normal vision all my life, and now approaching 45, my arms are holding stuff farther and farther from my face. I’ve had to ask my kids to read small-print labels because it blurs out if I get within two feet of my face. If I strain to look a bit closer, I can make make it focus but with a lot of eye pain.
I wonder if this is an irreversible age thing, or perhaps a mineral deficiency or too much screen time... anyone with experience reversing problems with up-close vision?
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Jul 15, 2018 - 08:06am PT
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Probably around 52.
Eye exam confirmed it was time.
At 56, still fair in cracks, but couldn't see small hand or foot holds while face climbing.
Wear reading glasses when I climb both face and crack now.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Jul 15, 2018 - 08:31am PT
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46, but I'm still in denial as well.
I had thick pop-bottle lenses from about age 10 to 30. Lasik was a game changer and I've really enjoyed the last 20 years free of spectacles and the joy of perfect vision. Now that I'm needing readers, I honestly can't imagine doing anything other than succumbing to using some glasses to correct the mild farsightedness. Farsightedness is a minor annoyance compared to nearsightedness.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 15, 2018 - 09:10am PT
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At about 40 needed 1.0. Worsened over the next 5 years or so to 2.0 and have held there.
I got some expensive readers from dr but prefer the lighter more comfy ones from Costco at 3 for $18.
Have thinoptics pinch glasses on my cell phone so I always have something.
Now they can do lasik on one eye to make it the close up eye and keep the other for distance and the brain adjusts so you have good near and far vision but it’s expensive. Like over $10k but I’ll probably still do it.
I have safety glasses and sunglasses with readers on the bottom. Both are very useful.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Jul 15, 2018 - 09:24am PT
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About 47. I have to wear them over my contacts which are for anything more than a foot from my face, I’m blind! I do wear one bi-focal contact which helps (a little mono-vision) but in dim light or when I’m tired I’ll wear some 1.5 drugstore readers too.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Jul 15, 2018 - 09:28am PT
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About 53, for reading anything close up. I do not need them for distance.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 15, 2018 - 09:34am PT
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Same - mid 40's. It's a lot of strain on the eye to focus on something so close, especially in poor lighting. I think resigning to some magnification sooner than later helps as does paying more attention to avoiding such situations.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jul 15, 2018 - 10:16am PT
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Tack sharp more than about six feet away. 1.5 readers much closer than that since about 50. What really ticks me off is when I forget to take them into a dark restaurant, and they have their menu printed with black ink on brown paper. Why do they do that?
When the readers became a need I went to see, so to speak, an opthamologist. She set me up with real reading glasses which I use for extended periods of reading, or at the computer. Otherwise I just carry around the "cheaters."
Another thing she suggested is to exercise my eyes. When I'm sitting around on the porch or somewhere with a view, I'll focus on things at varying distances, correcting my focus as quickly as I can between things further away and closer. Not so much to rush from one object to another, just to focus fast and accurately. This works eye movement as well, though I will turn my head if I need to. If nothing else, it makes me more aware of looking at things without being lazy about focusing.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Jul 15, 2018 - 10:29am PT
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Being near sighted has it's advantages.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Jul 15, 2018 - 10:38am PT
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Mid forties for me. Now I have computer / reading glasses I wear most of the time and other glasses for driving. Both are graded.
I bought a pair of yellow plastic driving goggles which fit over my driving glasses and really help with bright oncoming traffic lights at night and have saved my life while driving during blizzards in Wyoming and Colorado.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 15, 2018 - 10:38am PT
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45....about par for the course. Thirty years later I’m using +1.75.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Jul 15, 2018 - 10:49am PT
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I find the exact opposite,
curious what kinda work you do?
readers on off on off is maddening when your trying to get some work done!
Mostly sit behind a pair of screens these days. Being severely nearsighted growing up was a real limiting factor in a lot of activities. Swimming in particular. Winter sports always meant a ton of time fartin around with eyewear. The readers seem to be a mild annoyance in comparison.
These make the on/off a bit easier.
http://www.clicmagneticglasses.com
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Jim Clipper
Gym climber
from the ground up
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Jul 15, 2018 - 11:12am PT
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Mid 40s is average. Earlier for hyperopes. Low myopes often take glasses off instead. Contacts for distance change the amount you have to focus at near. This is more significant for highly myopic patients, because Opticks. Dr. Ed could probably repeat the maths. Beyond me...
Current surgical treatment only helps low hyperopes and only for a few years. Monovision refractive surgery is an option. I suggest trying monovision contacts first. My wife has been told that bifocals contacts are better than Prozac.
When you're ready for something different, you'll know. There is no perfect solution, but fortunately there are options. OTC readers, bifocals, progressive lenses, contacts, surgery.
OTC readers are great for many. Finally, maybe don't get hung up on the numbers. If you're taller you may hold things further away. If you want to focus on things that are closer, i.e. tying on a fly, use a more plus number.
DMT: Interesting observation (seriously), never heard it before. Our professors did studies on the effects of recreational "medications" on vision. If I remember, you can see double when drinking. Still, "college" was a while ago...
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 15, 2018 - 11:33am PT
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still don't at 68. fine print in the murk? more light solves it.
too close in a confined space? ya cheaters would help and they
make crowded maps, especially aviation charts, a lot easier.
but in severe turbulence nothing much helps.
during most of my decade of marriage, health insurance companies made bank, no claims.
as divorce loomed and cobra was eating our lunch i got cranky about the lack of benefit.
so when at 49 i barely passed the vision acuity portion of the FAA
medical certificate i was shooting for (requires 20/20 or correctable to it)
i got a prescription in anticipation of the next renewal and to have
something to show for years of insurance premiums.
the doc sneered at me at me ... the "weakest script ever" he said.
the next guy that read my script made me feel a little better. "what luck" he said ...
the crossover from near to far sighted occurs at reading distance!
this is all greek to me, i don't really know what i'm talking about, never been back.
the little baby cataracts that were mentioned must be no more than toddlers by now.
still passing drivers exams without correction, but i know it's just by a smidge.
i wear the spoils of the scam just to emphasize a certain likeness to my hero
grandpa jones
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Jul 15, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
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Like most of the others, mid-forties for me. Now been wearing graduated bifocals for thirty years. They aren't ideal for climbing, but I've managed.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jul 15, 2018 - 01:28pm PT
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Mid thirties for me. My T level dropped substantially after 40. I'm only good for twice a day now.
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ground_up
Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
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Jul 15, 2018 - 01:35pm PT
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really noticed at 46-47 , does seem to be about par.
Only need readers now but gotta have em'. Anyone else
need ten pairs cuz' you always misplace them ?
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jul 15, 2018 - 01:43pm PT
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45 I started noticing I was having issues reading.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 15, 2018 - 02:00pm PT
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I did not need them till age 71 when I had my second cataract surgery at which time I lost all close vision.
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nafod
Boulder climber
State college
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Jul 15, 2018 - 02:07pm PT
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Mid 40s. Was great before, sadly.
I wonder if this is an irreversible age thing, It is an evolutionary adaptation to keep your spouse looking hot, wrinkles be damned.
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Jim Clipper
Gym climber
from the ground up
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Jul 15, 2018 - 02:24pm PT
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shirts with pockets
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DanaB
climber
CO
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Jul 15, 2018 - 02:54pm PT
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The vision changes made climbing at the 'Gunks more challenging - lots of small irregular cracks and placing gear in them requires good close-up vision.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jul 15, 2018 - 06:35pm PT
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54 and I am really glad I don’t see things as they are.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 15, 2018 - 08:49pm PT
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It can be quite complicated
Even fairly uneventful cataract surgery can have complications
To wit:
The pathogenesis of pseudophakic CME appears multifactorial based on experimental studies and clinical observations.5,10 Proposed etiologic factors include inflammation, vitreous traction and hypotony.11,12 Of these, the core mechanism is likely surgically induced anterior segment inflammation that results in the release of endogenous inflammatory mediators. Prostaglandins, cytokines and other vasopermeability factors disrupt the perifoveal retinal capillaries, resulting in fluid accumulation.
Prostaglandins are products of the arachidonic acid cascade and have been studied widely as contributors to edema in systemic tissues including the eye.13 Surgically induced trauma to the iris, ciliary body and lens epithelium disrupts the blood-aqueous barrier resulting in release of prostaglandins, vascular endothelial growth factor, insulin-like growth factor-1 and other inflammatory mediators.14 These chemical transmitters diffuse through the vitreous to the retina where they disrupt the blood-retinal barrier. A critical threshold of inflammatory mediators in the aqueous is likely required for detectable edema.
What's a mother to do? looks like the combo works best
In addition to NSAIDs, topical corticosteroids are commonly used in prophylaxis and treatment. Studies reporting the efficacy of corticosteroids in pseudophakic CME are often confounded by concomitant topical NSAID administration. It does appear that combination therapy with topical NSAID and corticosteroid may be superior to either individual therapy. A small, randomized control trial in 2000 compared topical ketorolac to topical prednisolone to combination therapy for the treatment of pseudophakic CME.31 Average improvement in Snellen visual acuity over three months was 1.6 lines in the ketorolac group, 1.1 lines in the prednisolone group and 3.8 lines in the combination group. Perhaps a synergistic effect is observed with combination therapy, although more studies are needed. Risk Factors |
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Jim Clipper
Gym climber
from the ground up
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Jul 15, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
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Cataracts = leading cause of blindness worlwide. I think I posted about them before: Geoff Tabin, M.D., Sanduk Ruit, M.D.
Be cool if someone put up something big and named it The Tabin Ruit.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Jul 15, 2018 - 09:31pm PT
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This thread seems appropriate for the supertopo for so many reasons...
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jul 15, 2018 - 09:34pm PT
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I had to get eyeglasses for distance in second grade , very poor eyesight....But..
I still do not need or wear readers.. (-;
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jul 15, 2018 - 09:53pm PT
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Had my first cataract surgery at age 57, followed by 3.50 readers at 59. Having the second eye done in January at age 61 and am all atwitter over what level of readers I'll be buying then.
Golden Years my azz.
Only thing gold is my pee!
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Jul 15, 2018 - 10:49pm PT
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At least someone can see.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Jul 16, 2018 - 10:00am PT
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I thought I had 20/20 vision until I went to get Medical Examination Certificate for CDL in mid 40's.
I did the vision test on the standard machine for such and struggled. I thought it was dirty.
The doc said I was "in good health but couldn't see sh**". Having known him
most of my life I asked what was wrong with his machine. He laughed and said that I was the problem and explained it this way.
I was born farsighted but when I was younger my eye muscles could compensate and make up for the farsightedness (enabling me to get the 20/20 score). Since I was past my prime these muscles could no longer do the job.
I will never forget putting on my glasses on for the first time and being amazed at how well I could see. 3 years later I had to start using bifocals.
Since I prefer contacts, I use one eye for distance +2.75 (Left) and the other for reading +5.50 (Right). It makes for a screwy day if you put them in opposite eyes as my brain has been programmed to focus on distance with the Left eye. I still use cheaters to read a book.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Jul 16, 2018 - 10:58am PT
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Not sure. Maybe early 50s.
I have a pair in every room. I’ve trained myself (took several years to get it right) to take my glasses off when I leave one place to go to another. I’ve gotten pretty good at not piling up glasses in one spot.
I had my SCUBA and snorkeling mask lens made to my prescription with bifocal so I can see much better underwater now. What I used to blame on poor vis, was that, but not because of grainy water.
Susan
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 16, 2018 - 12:15pm PT
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43 for me
Nearsighted glasses since eighth grade
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Jul 16, 2018 - 12:31pm PT
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A timely thread for me! I'm late 40s, always had better than 20/20 vision. Lately I've noticed seeing blurriness on some small print, having to hold books farther away, etc. I think the end of the not needing glasses part of my life is nigh!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 16, 2018 - 02:08pm PT
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Anyway, assuming the drugs work and the inflammation subsides.
20:20 far vision
1.50 readers for computer work
3.25 readers for print
Don't get me started on epiretinal membrane surgery (which while kinda scary does work well)
My advice on multi-focal replacement lenses at cataract surgery time. Don't do it.
I have starbursts which make night driving very uncomfortable and no noticeable benefit in vision.
YAG LASER SURGERY works well, you'll quite likely need it at some pint
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jul 16, 2018 - 05:15pm PT
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Age 8.
To be accurate, I needed glasses before that, and to see anything. I just wasn’t diagnosed until then. Eyesight required around 11 diopter correction. Dropping my glasses on a climb was epic. Glasses weighed a ton even for polycarbonate
But needing glasss JUST for reading was last year ( age 70), after retina and cataract surgery.
I had to pick what distance I needed glasses for so they could do the right implants.
Now I’m 20:20 for distance And around 3 diopter for reading. Each eye is different, so dollar store cheaters aren’t ideal. I now use frameless glasses that weight 9 grams.
I have zoom lens jewelers glasses for really close work.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 16, 2018 - 09:52pm PT
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old enough to need reading glasses.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Jul 17, 2018 - 03:06am PT
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I was able to hold off until late 40’s, early 50’s. The way I understand it, it happens because your lens becomes less flexible. When I was outdoors more, climbing and river guiding and living in a tent half the year, I loved reading at night. When that became more difficult with dim headlamps, I would try to exercise my lens during the day, and I think it really helped for quite a few years. Simply by focusing on something distant, then alternating focus on something close, feeling the strain after several rounds of this, I think it kept my lenses supple for many extra years. Now being inside most of the time it is more difficult to do as frequently, and I just reach for the +2’s...
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jul 17, 2018 - 08:48am PT
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I had solid better than 20/20 until 40/41. All of a sudden I needed some light readers... it went down hill really fast. 3 years later I need 1.75-2's and I can't read under dim lighting. Reading my phone without magnification- impossible. The finishing-work on my glasswork has gone to hell. Trying to focus on shiny solder is a nightmare. I have to keep glasses everywhere. (car/pack/every room in the house) .
It totally blows.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 17, 2018 - 01:42pm PT
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About five years after needing readers I finally went in for a real eye exam. The doctor said how’s your far vision? and I said perfect. He said close your left eye and read the chart, and it went fine and then he said close your right and read the chart and I said oh sh#t. Seems my left eye isn’t perfect for long version anymore, but it’s interesting how the brain needs only one eye to still seem to have perfect distance vision.
So if I get Lasic on one eye to make that the near vision eye Ill obviously do it on the left one.
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Scole
Trad climber
Zapopan
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Jul 17, 2018 - 03:35pm PT
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I've worn glasses my entire life (nearsighted) but I just hit 60 and still take my glasses off to read.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jul 17, 2018 - 04:07pm PT
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Early 40s. Too many years staring at a monitor, hacking out stuff. Really hit me one time at Suicide Rock when I couldn't see how well a wired nut was placed before committing to a run out. Went for it anyways out of stubbornness and stupidity and immediately got an eye appointment and switched to readers soon thereafter. Still have eagle eyes for distance, but can't see sh#t up close.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jul 17, 2018 - 06:49pm PT
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At 60 I'm still fine on the up close stuff, but the distance vision went awry sometime in my 40's. It makes for a funny time climbing: wearing my glasses messes up my close in vision, so I need to take them off if I want to see what my hands and feet are doing. Of course, they need to be around my neck so I can put them on for route finding and protection spotting.
I'd set a goal of not getting glasses until I was 50, but sometime around age 47 I think I borrowed my wife's glasses at a concert while seated in the balcony, and I was startled to find the person on stage wasn't really just a fuzzy blob. The cat eyes didn't really suit me, so I went to get my own pair. After the eye test the Ophthalmologist casually asked me, "So, are you driving?" "Sure!" I declared and she suddenly wheeled on me and intently hissed, "Well YOU SHOULDN'T BE!"
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