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Tarbuster
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right here, right now
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Jul 21, 2018 - 09:44am PT
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Wow, following today's climb, if there'd been another hundred meters of run out at the end of the stage Sagan likely would've won!
There was some question as to what the hell he was doing in that breakaway; working for the team? How about he just loves racing and riding his bike!
In the generation in which I came of age as a climber, the 70s, being well-rounded was what it was all about: bouldering, thin holds face climbing, cracks, OW, long free climbs, walls, ice ...
To bring that to bike racing during these compounded eras of specialization in sport at large is really something for us all to see.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jul 21, 2018 - 09:50am PT
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I agree Roy. I see a lot of joy and love for the sport in Sagan's riding.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2018 - 10:04am PT
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Yes, I thought Peter had a great chance to win this stage and I picked him yesterday to win today. But, this morning when I saw how steep the final climb was I had to favor a rider like Alaphillipe or Gilbert.
Even so, watching Peter in the run up I could see he was doing everything possible to stay with the leaders, resting in the back and surging to the front as appropriate! He made no mistakes (does he ever?) and I cheered when he appeared coming around that corner in the final k!
...if the downhill had been one 1/2 k longer...
Kudos to Fraile!!
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perswig
climber
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Jul 21, 2018 - 10:42am PT
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Knowing naught about either world, I read this and the Grand Prix threads with pleasure at the posters' enthusiasm.
In the generation in which I came of age as a climber, the 70s, being well-rounded was what it was all about: bouldering, thin holds face climbing, cracks, OW, long free climbs, walls, ice ...
To bring that to bike racing during these compounded eras of specialization in sport at large is really something for us all to see.
Always have admired all-rounders above peak niche specialists as well.
Cool thread!
Dale
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Jul 21, 2018 - 10:52am PT
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Roy,
you mentioned Davis Phinney. We used to train a lot together in the early 80's when we were both living in Madison, WI. The 1980 Wisconsin Milk Race was basically the alternate Olympics as all the countries which boycotted the Moscow Olympics sent their teams to this race. Davis was in second overall going into the Oshkosh Criterium when he crashed right in front of me. I saw that he had broken his rear derailleur hanger so his bike was not rideable. I jumped off my bike and gave it to him. He got second in the sprint at the finish because, I, not being a sprinter, only had a 13-tooth rear cog and Davis could turn over a 12. We both laughed, but his race was saved.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Jul 21, 2018 - 11:26am PT
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We spent a great day today in the town of Carcassonne, where tomorrows stage ends and Monday’s begins. The town’s main attraction is the completely restored medieval village which sits high on the hill above the “bas ville”.
Approach from below, you cross a river.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Jul 21, 2018 - 11:29am PT
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The tourist center in town was handing out helpful pamphlets showing the race info:
The blue route is the arrival route. The red route is Monday’s departure route.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Jul 21, 2018 - 11:33am PT
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Here is the scene at the start of the departure route. The street that runs straight ahead in the photo is covered with umbrellas - very cool!
Weather in the 70s there tomorrow. Winds 10-15 mph.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Jul 21, 2018 - 11:34am PT
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Oops here’s that photo.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Jul 21, 2018 - 03:05pm PT
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Stage 17, on Thursday, should be fun to watch. It's only 65k.
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Jul 21, 2018 - 06:43pm PT
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Phylp wrote: We spent a great day today in the town of Carcassonne, where tomorrows stage ends and Monday’s begins. The town’s main attraction is the completely restored medieval village which sits high on the hill above the “bas ville”.
I guided for a bike tour which stayed in the 5-star hotel at the south west corner of the Cité de Carcassonne. The most fun was driving one of our passenger vans, to ferry all the luggage, through the incredibly narrow streets. I wasn't sure I was going to make it many, many times.
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Jul 21, 2018 - 10:00pm PT
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Oh to win a Tour stage!
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 22, 2018 - 06:03am PT
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A bauble Lisa collected in Carcassonne during the 1989 Tour de l'Aude Cycliste Féminin,
From the Hotel Climat, where she stayed with her team:
During the 1993 Tour de France Féminin, known as Tour Cycliste Féminin,
Lisa rode for Team Kahlúa, and their lead rider, Canadian Susan Palmer, held the yellow jersey for seven days.
During that period each rider of the team wore a pair of these gloves:
1993 Tour Cycliste Féminin program, featuring Leontien Van Moorsel:
1992 Tour Cycliste Féminin overall results.
The winner was Leontien Van Moorsel, and my wife, Lisa Goldsmith placed 21st:
1992 Tour Cycliste Féminin L'Alpe D'Huez finishing order:
Souvenir towel from one of the hotels, acquired during Lisa's 1993 TDF:
And how does the women's tour compare to the men's?
From 1992, here's a rundown on the number of stages (10), locations and the distances:
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 Why fewer stages, and shorter distances ... after all, by way of comparison, women run full-length marathons?
Probably the same reason women don't play five sets in the four grand slam tennis tournaments:
Perception of lack of equivalency in women's endurance capabilities to men's, along with expectation of lower marketability and diminished support in terms of sponsorship.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 22, 2018 - 07:58am PT
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Dan Martin is a fun rider to root for: you never know what he's going to do, but it often includes doing what he loves – making gutsy and surprising moves!
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Jul 22, 2018 - 08:20am PT
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Thanks for posting those memories from your wife’s racing career, Tarbuster.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 22, 2018 - 08:51am PT
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Another win for Astana, back-to-back, this time by Magnus Cort Nielsen, taking his first TDF stage victory!
I love these sprint finishes!
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Jul 22, 2018 - 12:40pm PT
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A happy man!
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Jul 23, 2018 - 10:03am PT
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Rest Day recovery drink.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Jul 23, 2018 - 10:24am PT
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She's longtime pals with Davis Phinney and Connie Carpenter.
And they produced a pretty cool zygote too! ;) I rode several times with Taylor when I was living down in San Diego. He would show up during our Saturday rides with Swami's Cycling. I recall this time when Taylor's batteries died on his Di2 shifter, leaving him stuck in the small CR. Dood still stomped us. We managed to stay with him to our signature stop, 25 miles in. But once we got on the rollers and back into Encinitas, He dropped almost all of us. That boy can TT his ass off!!
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