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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 23, 2018 - 05:21pm PT
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I received an email from Craig Fry today, noting his ST account had been suspended, due to HoMan (skippy?) complaining about a remark Craig made in the Anthony Bourdain thread. Otherwise Craig is fine & was mostly talking summer vacation plans.
I appreciate Craig was really hated by many of the conservatives on ST, but I wasn't able to find any of his quotes worthy of removal on that thread.
Certainly, HoMan, with a post total of 44, all on political threads, was outraged enough to apparently urge Craig to suicide & to shock eKat.
So, Craig got banned & Homan is still here.
Strange times folks.
On the other hand, Cosmic will be soooooooo-happy about Craig getting banned.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Jun 23, 2018 - 05:28pm PT
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Wondering why the suicide rate was low among the homeless is not the same thing as wanting the homeless to kill themselves.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Jun 23, 2018 - 06:07pm PT
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...Hang in there Craig!
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couchmaster
climber
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Jun 23, 2018 - 06:39pm PT
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^^ Yeah, what he said^^. Wait, MP posters aren't morons? Anyway, Craig seems to have entered the "Querencia Phase" of his posting, my best to him in his future endeavors. Maybe he will head over to voat and straighten some of those free speech folks out. I suspect he's a good guy, but politics makes some of y'all crazy. Just sayin'...
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jun 23, 2018 - 06:41pm PT
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yeah, like atg, my arous-o-meter drops when I choose to click in to political sh#t threads. keep st hard, rock hard. and sanitized of all but opinions on rock climbz, right?
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jun 23, 2018 - 06:52pm PT
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Separating Craig from his family here?
People are saying it sounds like something trump would do.
and then blame it on Obama.
makingtacossuperagain.
Will there be a wall built?
tariffs except for buddies? bluster about upcoming Nobels?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jun 23, 2018 - 07:18pm PT
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I'm sure "guns" is just hanging out taking it easy during his break.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 23, 2018 - 08:25pm PT
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Craig Fry kicked off ST! The conservatives will be so Happy
Well, so will the sane non-conservatives.
As Locker was fond of pointing out, ST is a "Climber's forum" not a "climbing forum." It is a place for the discussion of many things climbers care about. Climbing, for sure, but also running, riding, surfing, cooking, beer, dogs, flowers, birds...
...and, yes, politics.
But any discussion of politics here is quickly derailed into a screaming match between a few idiots who drown out the conversations the rest of us hope to benefit from. And Craig, in his various incarnations here, was one of the worst screamers.
I share most of his political views, but I'm happy that he's gone, and hope he does not come back.
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HoMan
Trad climber
Wasteville,CA
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Jun 23, 2018 - 09:00pm PT
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I received an email from Craig Fry today, noting his ST account had been suspended, due to HoMan (skippy?) complaining about a remark Craig made in the Anthony Bourdain thread. Otherwise Craig is fine & was mostly talking summer vacation plans.
HaHa. Due to me? Fritzeee you are delusional drunk. I threw shade at FRyloon b/c he's a true bigot hater. I've never complained to the bosses about anyone here. Yur trippin. This is supposed to be a place of freedom no? These politard threads are the biggest joke. You appear to be clamoring for the role of Court Jester here tho? I'd say you got the spot locked down.
Fried hates on ANYONE against him. He says he hates Repubs. You said you are a Repub. How is it you two are dating? Let's be clear, you are full-0-s**t on that one too. Why would you claim such a thing?
Your mind seems to have reverted to a child-like state in your advanced age.
When did he talk about summer vaca plans? You two got a getaway planned?
I've voted Demo my whole life btw. I'm just anti-bullshi**er. That's why I throw down on you hypocriticial politard clowns here who live on lies.
See you at the City ol'boy
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jun 23, 2018 - 09:59pm PT
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I googled Wasteville...No such city...
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Jun 24, 2018 - 12:41am PT
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 24, 2018 - 12:53am PT
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It's kind of weird how someone can be so cool in person and so obnoxious on an internet forum. Oh well, I'll actually miss him here. He was good entertainment in his own special way.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 24, 2018 - 03:44am PT
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Free Craig! He could be pri Klay. But he had some important things to say!
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ExfifteenExfifteen
climber
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Jun 24, 2018 - 06:58am PT
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When you get kicked off, are you really gone forever?
Stupidtaco is on a roll... as the Taco Turns...
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Jun 24, 2018 - 10:13am PT
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It's kind of weird how someone can be so cool in person and so obnoxious on an internet forum.
Sooo true, BASE jumping and those forums have always had several of those folks. Super cool dudes in person, the best, but total A-Holes on the internet..
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jun 24, 2018 - 10:20am PT
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not that I think he shoulda been booted, Tut, but on some level he was a knee-jerk prick towards any folks what disagreed with him (bernie supporters, generally any folks not drinking the D-koolaid). And he made Lefties look like we're all frothers, whipped up into a fervor of unintelligible yet heels-dug-in mainstream D-ism.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jun 24, 2018 - 10:39am PT
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I was tolerant of Fry, but a little froth-separator off the top of his exclamatory releases would be great for everyone.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jun 24, 2018 - 11:10am PT
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Metaphorically, he should be allowed to wear his canoe shaped pink knit cap here ;-)
#FreeFry
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Trump
climber
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Jun 24, 2018 - 12:12pm PT
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You people are morons and I don’t care what you have to say and I’m not gonna come here and read your moronic opinions or post my own brilliant ones.
In other words, hallelujah! looks like I’ve found my people, both here in the good ole us of a and here on good ole supertaco, where we’re all free to be the self-righteous as#@&%es that god made us, at least until we get the axe. Best y’all!
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jun 24, 2018 - 12:14pm PT
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Will there be a wall built?
Absolutely. I will build a wall.*
* Just as soon as I figure out how to force Cosmic to pay for it.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 24, 2018 - 12:22pm PT
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WTF Craig gone again? Bring him back he's needed.
He's a useful idiot for his cause.
The spectacle of his over the top attack rants are an effective recruitment tool for his opposition.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jun 24, 2018 - 12:37pm PT
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Jun 24, 2018 - 02:18pm PT
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I received an email from Craig Fry today, noting his ST account had been suspended, due to ... complaining about a remark Craig made in the Anthony Bourdain thread.
I appreciate Craig was really hated by many of the conservatives on ST, but I wasn't able to find any of his quotes worthy of removal on that thread. As a liberal I acknowledge that initially Craig's posts were irritating to me.
However as soon as I understood typical patterns of his posts I stopped reading them and he stopped bothering me.
There was no reason to ban Craig. His posts were predictable and devoid of original thoughts and facts.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 24, 2018 - 02:21pm PT
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There was no reason to ban Craig. His posts were predictable and devoid of original thoughts and facts.
My sentiments exactly. Thanks.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 24, 2018 - 02:34pm PT
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Doesn’t this belong in the First World Probs thread?
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Jun 24, 2018 - 05:54pm PT
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2-4-2
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 24, 2018 - 06:16pm PT
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There was no reason to ban Craig. His posts were predictable and devoid of original thoughts and facts.
Can be said about a significant percentage* of the posts on the ST.
Why not ban all the offenders.
*What is the percentage? An exercise left to the readers.
We’ve just seen a huge space explosion and don’t know what it is
Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin'
The weather was hot, a-nearly ninety degrees
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me
Yeah, the locusts sang off in the distance
Yeah, the locusts sang such a sweet melody
Oh, the locusts sang off in the distance
And the locusts sang and they were singing for me
-Cow Cow Boogie aka La Migra
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HoMan
Trad climber
Wasteville,CA
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Jun 24, 2018 - 06:45pm PT
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We are becoming a mean boy nation, a nation once of immigrants but now one of bullies and tyrants. Our president breaks everything he sees, including our democracy and our republic.
A classic libsterical response. YOU are projecting and sooo brainwashed. YOU are the problem. Get off yur puter. Get off yur ass and do something outside yur basement. Stop calling people who you don't know...Nazi's. YOU are the real Nazi.
You spend much of yur life here XCon. Serving almost nothing to mankind besides spewing hate speech.
Yur masters got you locked down tight you poor sucker
I dare you to stop posting here for 1 month and get a life. Be free?
I know you can't do it you fool...lol
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jun 24, 2018 - 07:03pm PT
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Banned....Again...He should be re-instated for buildering with only a lamp shade for clothing...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Jun 24, 2018 - 08:00pm PT
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Just sayin' here. I don't think Craig should be off the Taco. Craig has climbed, Craig is a climber, Craig has done some great stuff on the rock. Maybe Dude Craig you need to pull it in when you talk about stuff not rock relevant.
But HoMan, who are you? Why do your words count here? Just askin'.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 24, 2018 - 08:14pm PT
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Everybody's a dreamer And everybody's a star And everyone's in movies It doesn't matter who you are There are stars in every city In every house and on every street And if you walk down Hollywood Boulevard Their are names written in concrete
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jun 24, 2018 - 11:05pm PT
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^^What Lynne said.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 24, 2018 - 11:42pm PT
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It is a terrible thing to repress freedom of speech.
But, with freedom of speech comes responsibility.
Here's a story:
Some guy, from Mississippi, was at the local saloon, and declaring that he had every right to say Nica, Nica, Nica, or something similar. I pointed out that he had the right to say that, but that it didn't seem to be an appropriate thing to say, at least not in the place he was saying it.
His forceful retort was, "I can say NICA, NICA, NICA! anytime I want! This is America!"
The owner of the saloon came out to the patio, gently. and asked that guy to leave, immediately. And then? The Mississippi guy was confused, about what he was doing wrong. He had a First Amendment Right to say whatever he wanted to say.
So, Mitchell, the owner told him, in a gentle voice:
This is my place. I like everybody. But, I don't like what you are saying. So, if you say things like that, I have to ask you to leave.
A person can have the First Amendment right to say Nica, Nica, Nica, or that a guy looks fat and stupid, or whatever, but he runs the risk of being anti-social and likely to incite a physical confrontation.
The courts have ruled that inflammatory speech, that has no other purpose, has no protection under the First Amendment.
Talking smack, in a factual manner, is not the same thing as inventively disparaging others. The courts, for at least a hundred years, have ruled that disparaging talk, if backed up by facts about the disparagee, does not constitute slander, or defamation. And, such factual disparagement is protected by the First Amendment.
It is important that we adhere to the facts when disparaging people we don't agree with.
After all, saying truthful and disparaging things about people we don't agree with has long, long history, going back to the Ancient Greeks.
The Ancient Greeks called it arguing ad hominem, a classic form of false reasoning, wherein the speaker, and not his argument, is attacked.
False accusations against a speaker is a separate, and different, form of false reasoning.
I don't know what the Ancient Greeks called that.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Jun 25, 2018 - 09:43am PT
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^^^^^^
An apt description of today’s phenomenon…Were it not for the priesthood’s proclivity for child buggery, it might be more dignified to be a Catholic. Were it not for their caging of babies, it might be more profitable in the short term to team with the Republicans.
Sadly, for those who might not understand the martyr phenomenon or progressivism, if you cut off the voice of one articulate, educated, and spirited poster who raises the banner for human rights, they will eventually grow ten more.
But of course there is in my view every reason under the sun not to enlist with right wing or religious cadres.
A. It’s not in my blood
B. ad infinitum
Wishing for Mr Fry’s eventual return to the site.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 25, 2018 - 09:57am PT
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The courts have ruled that inflammatory speech, that has no other purpose, has no protection under the First Amendment.
Could you cite where you're getting this, Tom? I've studied this pretty extensively, and the closest thing I get is that "fighting words" are not protected speech. But the SCOTUS has really, really narrowly constrained what that phrase means, and it does NOT included "inflammatory speech" in any broad sense.
Most recently, the SCOTUS explicitly stated that "hate speech" does not count as "fighting words," nor is it excluded from first amendment protection.
So, I find your particular phraseology nowhere, and a host of speech that would fit that category as you've worded it is explicitly protected by SCOTUS rulings.
I found CF easy to ignore and don't think that banning of his type is the way to go. Of course, CMac isn't beholden to the first amendment on this site, so he and his team can do what they like.
However, there are others here (on both "sides") that are at least as "inflammatory" (some much more so) than CF. So, I'm not sure where the banning-bar is set.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jun 25, 2018 - 11:19am PT
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The courts, for at least a hundred years, have ruled that disparaging talk, if backed up by facts about the disparagee, does not constitute slander, or defamation. And, such factual disparagement is protected by the First Amendment.
I wanted to point out that the standard for slander or defamation for public individuals is far, far higher than non-public individuals.
Truth is a defense in a slander/defamation trial, but it is not the only defense.
I'm not sure what Craig was accused of and I'm not really interested in the details, but crass statements about a public individual (whether dead or alive) would get first amendment protection.
Unfortunately for Craig, SuperTopo isn't legally required to give first amendment protections. I actually think that there should be some legal restrictions on the censoring of social media, but that is a thread for a different day.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 25, 2018 - 12:19pm PT
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I don't want to kick a guy who's not around to defend himself, so I'll just say that I enjoy reading posts I disagree with much more than those that share my views.
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Trump
climber
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Jun 25, 2018 - 12:51pm PT
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The whole shebang is going to hell in a handbasket! This guy was a climber! He knew the secret climber handshake and everything!
Me, I’m climbing my walls wondering why the words you type into your computer while browsing some public 12-member-website-forum should have any standing at all, here among we climber-illuminati. Go find some public forum of your own to comment in, and leave us to our exhaustively-climber-vetted conversation! Nonclimbers opinions about politics are almost as bad as ___ .
This stuff just starts to all sound the same. Yea climber tribe! You others go back where you came from.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 25, 2018 - 05:00pm PT
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arent "fighting world" and "inflammatory speech" one and the same?
No, they explicitly are not. If you'll read up on the SCOTUS' interpretation of these matters, you'll quickly discover that "hate speech" and "words that tend to outrage or inflame" are not immediately exceptions to first amendment protection.
At the very least, "inflammatory speech" as described by Tom is far, far too broad of a category, and the vast majority of what could be described that way IS protected.
Of course, again, sites like the Taco Stand are not bound by the first amendment.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 25, 2018 - 07:31pm PT
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Oh god, here we go.
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HoMan
Trad climber
Wasteville,CA
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Jun 25, 2018 - 07:34pm PT
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Just sayin' here. I don't think Craig should be off the Taco. Craig has climbed, Craig is a climber, Craig has done some great stuff on the rock. Maybe Dude Craig you need to pull it in when you talk about stuff not rock relevant.
But HoMan, who are you? Why do your words count here? Just askin'.
Yo Lynne...I don't think Fry should be gone either. I never asked for it. I didn't see anything he said as worthy of a banning. I find his rants comical. His ego is his undoing. We are both climbers. I'm happy to be climbing solid 5.11 in my 50's still if that matters to you.
Fried says some crazy stuff...to me. But this is a public forum so I retort. Does not matter if my words count unless you decide to discriminate against me. Then you've become one of the crazy haters that you claim to condemn.
At least Fry is being honest. That d#@&%e Fritz claims he's a Repub one day and the flies the Lib flag the next day. Lonely old drunk fool that loves to argue. Crazy Uncle Fritz.
Most of the politard clowns here are haters of free speech. Scared, petulant little children afraid to leave their pc's. Hypocrites are the worst of the worst.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jun 25, 2018 - 09:37pm PT
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blabbady blabbady blabbady......
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jun 25, 2018 - 09:43pm PT
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Jun 25, 2018 - 09:49pm PT
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At least Fry is being honest . . . Hypocrites are the worst of the worst
HoMan,
I don’t have a problem with anonymous posting as a rule; some of them provide humor or make interesting points.
I don’t even have a problem with personal insults; I have frequently called an idiot an idiot.
What I don’t like are people making personal attacks as you just did regarding Fritz while hiding behind an anonymous avatar.
Plain and simple, HoMan whoever you are, you are a cowardly hypocrite.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 25, 2018 - 11:13pm PT
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ive not found the legal distinction as made to date
did you have a link?
Here's some:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words
The Wikipedia one cites R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul (1992) and summarizes, "the Court overturned a statute prohibiting speech or symbolic expression that 'arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender' on the grounds that, even if the specific statute was limited to fighting words, it was unconstitutionally content-based and viewpoint-based because of the limitation to race-religion-sex-based fighting words."
So, even being "inflammatory" (i.e.: offensive and anger-inducing), even filled with racial epithets, does not necessarily qualify as "fighting words" and thus unprotected.
https://www.thefire.org/misconceptions-about-the-fighting-words-exception/
That one is particularly interesting, as it refers to "fiery speech" as upheld by the SCOTUS as protected speech.
In short, there is ample evidence that "inflammatory" speech is far too broad a category to cite "unprotected speech." The SCOTUS has repeatedly upheld extremely offensive and inflammatory (by design) speech to be protected, and it has consistently narrowed its "fighting words" exception over the years since that principle was established.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jun 25, 2018 - 11:31pm PT
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seems like a great time to point out that the asshat majority on the supreme court just approved gerrymandering.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jun 26, 2018 - 06:24am PT
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suprise , suprise...rigged elections under the guise of legal interpretation..
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jun 27, 2018 - 01:49pm PT
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People on this forum who hide behind avatars are cowards-period.
Most avatar users sometimes use real name at the end of heartfelt posts. That’s a good thing.
But some just sling s#it and run away.... the real cowards. You know who you are.
Mr. Fry and I never got along regarding political discourse on the Taco. (I can’t understand how a smart person like Craig can have those thoughts)
But he is a real honest to god rockclimber who this place needs if the claim of Climbers Forum is to remain true.
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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Jun 27, 2018 - 01:51pm PT
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^^^regarding avatars, i disagree. And to be honest, some of us just dont care what you think at all, even if you might own a rope or gear and had a famous bad ass brother
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 27, 2018 - 02:11pm PT
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Could never really tell when Craig was "serious" (whatever that means on ST) and just being intentionally provocative/obnoxious. For a while I spent some time disproving some of his more ridiculous nonsense, but he'd just double down on stupid.
Nevertheless, he seemed like a pretty good person in some ways so hope he's having fun doing other things.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 27, 2018 - 03:19pm PT
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The hide-behind-an-avatar debate is an old one here. And, as usual, it's not as simple and clear-cut as some people would like it to be.
Because of a job situation, you might not want your current (or future) employer finding all the stupid sh#t you say on an internet forum. Fair enough. Post away. Tell us about your climbs, or what you think about beer or food or whatever. Even your political thoughts.
But to me, it becomes a problem when someone hiding behind an avatar starts posting personal insults.
That is clearly the act of a coward, and should, in my opinion, be grounds for instant banning.
And BJ: like Guyman and many others, I post using a stupid screen name, but, also like Guyman, I've often signed my real name to my posts, and have never hidden behind the avatar.
David Harris
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jun 27, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
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I've been praying the rosary hoping fry is re-instated...come back craig...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jun 27, 2018 - 09:52pm PT
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Couldn't find power crux's SS#...must be a bot...?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jun 28, 2018 - 10:25am PT
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Ok... call me an Idiot, if it makes you feel good.
#freecraigfry
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jun 28, 2018 - 11:12am PT
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I just wanted to drop in so I could share a picture of Helena Handbasket with eKat. I find the political threads tend to undermine my respect of climbers I've otherwise appreciated, so life is better if I avoid them.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jun 28, 2018 - 05:38pm PT
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Not heroes Tut, I've been around for far too long for that. It undermines my pleasure in reading their climbing related writing once I've realized they're personally arseholes. Being good at climbing just means you're good at climbing.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 28, 2018 - 05:46pm PT
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You people have wrong heroes.
My heroes live on the planet Vaikuntha Loka.
No modern gross materialist's st00pid rocket can ever reach it.
They used to personally visit this planet but not no more because everyone has devolved into st00pid .....
Craig Fry is an OK dude just loves politics.......
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jun 28, 2018 - 07:10pm PT
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Craig Fry Matters
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 28, 2018 - 07:44pm PT
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Vaikuntha Loka -- Wow! That is a real place. Google it. Explains a lot.
Regarding the comment about homeless people. I've had a little experience with a few of them.
The comment is highly crass and shows a narrow view. If you think someone is totally wrong, talk to them some more and find out where they are coming from.
The homeless, shiftless, hopeless looser, or sadly insane are simply testing the boundries of low standards. Yes, they are victims, but they are also working at creating that victimhood usually for very good reasons.
They do not "kill themselves" because that is not how it works. Many are actually trying to kill themselves slowly in various ways but via a justifyable program.
They are on an expedition of "how low can I go?" "We'll, I haven't washed my clothes for a month. It's not so bad. Let's see if I can go another month."
I don't mean to over simplify. Each one is a very special and complex set of problems. Each requirng massive amounts of patience and compassion.
Some are total azzholes and that is why they can't get a job. No one would work with them.
The crazy and the drug addicts, they are being manufactured by a broken civilization. Broken my the super azzholes that say man is nothing but a stimulus response animal, a brain with a complex chemical reaction. They must be punished into good behavior. If that doesn't work they must be drugged into submission and conformity. (Yeah, those guys.)
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Robb
Social climber
Cat Box
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Jun 28, 2018 - 11:57pm PT
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Nicely stated Spider.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 29, 2018 - 09:42am PT
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My heroes live on the planet Vaikuntha Loka
With four arms you know Vishnu is a rock climbing god.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 29, 2018 - 12:39pm PT
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Loca means crazy.
No coincidences
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 29, 2018 - 12:48pm PT
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Loca means crazy.
Yes so true.
That's why you needed to change that k to a c because you're insane .....
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 29, 2018 - 12:55pm PT
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more of a shiva fan myself...
Me too.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Jun 29, 2018 - 01:38pm PT
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Politics suck...
#bringbackthedr
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2018 - 01:53pm PT
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Homan: Per your nasty post a few daze back, about what you want me to be:
At least Fry is being honest. That d#@&%e Fritz claims he's a Repub one day and the flies the Lib flag the next day. Lonely old drunk fool that loves to argue. Crazy Uncle Fritz.
I’ve been somewhat busy since June 24, putting together & attending a gathering of like-minded climbers at City of Rocks.
I do enjoy having fun on ST political forums with conservatives (& liberals), who take themselves & political threads seriously.
Some COR photos from this week.
Enjoying lighting the dark, with Donini.
Some of the group last night. After a fairly warm week, it was windy & cool & kinda-rained for 5 minutes. Happpily, the wind stopped for dinner.
So? When does Homan get banned?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 30, 2018 - 05:32am PT
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Is he back, yet?
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 30, 2018 - 11:54am PT
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Defence of Fritz:
If you think all republicans support the Republican Party and the current administration you are brainwashed by the media.
From Dictionary.com
Republican: a person who favors a republican form of government.
Republic: a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
When things get confusing, return to the dictionary to sort it out. Understanding each other is important.
Those of us Idaho natives understand freedom from growing up and living "free-range." Once you get used to the un-crowded life it becomes something to hold dear and to try and protect politically when you have to. It doesn't matter what planks are holding up what party.
Democracy is fine but, you don't want to manage Idaho and California the same way. They are two different groups. Thus we think more like Jeffersonian republicans in favor of states-rights and less heavy handed management from urban areas.
Fritz is a gentleman and a scholar. He is a great successs and life and holds his liquor well. You can't do much better than to share a bottle of wine or a campfire or a rope with gentleman Fritz.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2018 - 12:46pm PT
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Spider! Thank you! We missed you & your brother this year at COR, as you can see by the fire with Donini.
Somehow, we managed to have fun, even though you weren't there.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 30, 2018 - 06:44pm PT
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You guys look pretty happy in that photo.
Even with thick campfire smoke blowing in your face.
I regret that I could not be there to make sure it was a smokeless campfire.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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i have had posts deleted that referred to the competence level of gear reviews or reviewers.
still want to give them a test.
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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You guys look pretty happy in that photo.
Agreed, Fritz and the COR pictures look great, lots of smiles around a campfire just like life should be.
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HoMan
Trad climber
Wasteville,CA
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Couldn't find power crux's SS#...must be a bot...?
Swing and a miss.
You should be looking for 'Power Bottom'.
It will seem all too familiar.
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Trump
climber
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We seem to think we’re climbing or something and that we’ve got the rules all dialed in.
So he slipped and fell and got the axe from supertopo. Happens to the best of them. Actually, at this point, it seems to have happened to most of them.
But right, the rules of interaction on an online forum should definitely be the same as the rules of interaction in a face to face interaction! Because, well, that’s the way it should be. Don’t change the rules - I’ve already learned those rules, and I’ve got other stuff to do with my brain!
Ok party people. Best to you!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2018 - 09:17pm PT
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Homan!
Re your strange post:
Jul 1, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
Couldn't find power crux's SS#...must be a bot...?
Swing and a miss.
You should be looking for 'Power Bottom'.
It will seem all too familiar.
I really can't think of a good response, other, than:
GOODBYE!
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Trump
climber
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“Good” is what the kids are calling it now, huh :)
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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so if your against anarchy your for compulsory performance in society
ie, being forced to preform
curious lit,
any chance you've got a list of areas or things where compelled performance would be a demand to far for your stomache?
Flower shops and bakeries?
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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what with their marketable existence only being possible because they relied on the public dime to pay a sizeable portion of the cost it took to give their clients access to items at the price that makes them affordable
which makes the production of those items viable
are you against the commerce clauses insistence on civil decorum?
Well now, you're the one who was harping on about artists being compelled to perform. Was that the drugs & alcohol talking?
Love the whole "you didn't build that!" Obama meme. That was a classic.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Somebody has been drinking their own urine enough to believe it's lemonade.
Given that "the public sector" has no money of its own, and that what money it has is extracted from the very producing companies and individuals that you say only EMERGE from "public sector" funds, please explain that chicken/egg problem to us.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2018 - 05:31pm PT
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madbolter1? Why isn't an All-American fellow like you doing the American family thing on the 4th?
I thought you were a patriot!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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There you go,happy fourth,there^^^^^^,there,is the anti Craig Fry.
Enjoy.
Meaning MB.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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And what makes you think I'm not?
We're about to start round two. :-)
Happy Independence Day, all.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Good Grief! Xcon and frostback there are ways to communicate to one another as well as engage the readers providing interesting discussion during debate. What you say sounds like 4th graders at recess. Sorry, but I think others would agree. Hardly elevates the thread level here at the campfire. Happy 4th of July!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2018 - 05:44pm PT
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It hit 100f. for the first time this year today! I enjoyed an Italian sausage "hot-dog" for lunch & we're & we're grilling BBQ pork riblets for dinner, with a side of grilled spuds & fresh tomato-basil salad from Heidi's garden.
The exciting Choss Creek fireworks display is tonight, with a good possibility of the fireworks setting brushfires like last year. What a great 4th of July!
Darn! Things would be pretty-good, if Craig Fry was back on ST & Trump was in jail.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sitting on top of one of the biggest hills in the Finger Lakes right now,it is going to look like Baghdad in a few........Have a good Fourth.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Fritz...Don't forget the nomex suits and defensible space...!!! rj
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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I'm just anti-bullshi**er.
When some noob proclaims to be the arbiter of truth, grab your wallet. Better yet toss on your GorTex 'cause a snow job is forthcoming.
You wanna stir the pot - have at it. Just don't use your tail...
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2018 - 10:31pm PT
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Tonight was a "big-night" at the annual Choss Creek 4th of July fireworks show. Two brush fires got started by errant fireworks, but our ace fire-fighters put both of them out, while the fireworks show went on!
Ain't rural America Great!
I should explain that we & our neighbors drive up the river canyon towards Choss Creek & park beside the highway about a 1/4 mile below town & the fireworks. We used to park about 200 yeards below the fireworks, but after a few years of having defective fireworks coming down within a few hundred feet, a cop finally ran us off. It was kind of a relief not to be in the danger zone, but the fun-factor went way down.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Crankloons celebrated the 4th by jumping off of this choss pile.
Saw 6 jump but only saw 3 chutes! Didn’t hear any ambulances so I guess I missed ‘em.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Rural America is great Fritz. Most people who inhabit it...not so much.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Rural America is great Fritz. Most people who inhabit it...not so much.
We all got everything in common - and one or two things different. People will always see what they choose to look at.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Trump recently re-released a video that I believe I saw some months before.
The narcissistic media, is taking it as a shot at them, but seems designed to undermine any remaining vestiges of credibility the Mueller investigation has. The (D)s are so sure here, that Trump will not be President. Coupled with the Strozok tweet, and the DNC sabotage of Bernie Sanders, there is a compelling case that the Mueller investigation is staged to make good on their assertions.
The bizarre Giuliani TV appearances yesterday all begin to reveal the (R) strategy to hold onto the Senate this election cycle.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
ETA Thanks EdwardT!!
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John M
climber
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I'm with you DMT. I grew up in a rural area and I love those people, but sometimes they can be trying. I recently moved to a part of arizona which is about as far right as one can get. Almost everyday I hear from someone who loves Trump. They absolutely can't hear anything negative about the man. I have tried multiple different tactics. They absolutely hate Obama and Hillary, and completely love Trump. And yet I know that they have good qualities. If you need help, they will show up. But the blindness is hard to stomach at times. Kind of like some liberals on this forum during the election, when someone said anything against Hillary. Many of them still can't see why some people have reservations about Hillary, and they will piss in your pot if you let them. To me it means people are people, on both sides of the aisle. They both have blind spots and biases, thats why I am always on the look out for my own blind spots or biases.
The one thing that I haven't run into is an articulate and well reasoned libertarian. Blue came the closest. The rest that I have met or read rely on poor logic and some of the worst reasonings. They are so bitter that they just can't see or hear anything that conflicts with what they believe. Benghazi!!! Waco!!! There are plenty of those people in both the liberal and conservative party. The difference for me has been that I have met and read the writings of articulate and well reasoned liberals and conservatives. Though I might disagree with their reasons or arguments, I can see how they come to their conclusions.
I'm working very hard on myself to get away from "gotcha" or "identity" politics. Its fun to play gotcha politics, and its piss easy to play identity politics, but all it really does is make things worse. So we all end up being the person "got" or labeled. I am not a liberal or a conservative. I have aspects of and beliefs of both parties. I tend to vote liberal because currently they are the least disagreeable, but if they don't come up with someone better then Hillary, who sold her soul, its going to be another hard row for the liberals.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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DMT... John M ... good posts.
ZBrown... got a link?
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John M
climber
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Now we can't go blamin em for holdin true to a little nonsense now and again. That just wouldn't be right!
Its not about turning a blind eye. Of course people have to be held accountable. But holding people accountable does not necessarily mean demonizing them. All too many people want to just do away with those who disagree with them. And they have the same energy towards all things they disagree with, such as laws or anything that seems like politics. Thats a dangerous route. We could end up killing the very thing that we want to save. Then what good would that do? Trump's slash and burn is a good example. That does not mean that I want to go back to the status quo and give the country to the Hillarys of the world. We need to do better. Find a leader with balanced views. But thats going to be difficult as long as so many just want to slash and burn. The moderates in this country are going to have to unite.
Edit: one adam side wall Power crux. how about down sizing that pic?
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Trump
climber
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Jesus people, when you communicate by saying that those 5th graders are acting like 4th graders, you sound like you’re a 6th grader at recess. Can we all please start acting like 7th graders, at least?
My gratitude and admiration to those few exceptional humans who find themselves able to do that.
To the rest of us, best all!, regardless.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Rural America is great Fritz. Most people who inhabit it...not so much.
Resort-town arrogance at its finest.
Yet still, you eat their food.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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You guys go back 70 years to find a picture of hateful people doing bad things in a restaurant....
How about last week, in the Red Hen.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Why shouldn't we eat the food we pay for and subsidize? They use the science and technology they refute.
Spoken like a good little Monsanto or ADM rep. Well done.
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katie Clarke
Social climber
san diego
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Does anyone know Skip Guerin ?
We used to date. I've know him for 30 years. Trying to find. 619 2231135 Katie Clarke
Sorry off topic kbournc@yahoo.com
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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100% non-Monsanto in this house.
Why do you hate science??
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Yes,the weekend liberal,damn near coastal elite’s point of view is definitely missed.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Only a dumb ass could confuse a company with science, accuse you of promoting their products, then criticize you for not using their products.
"Dumb ass?" Now there's some serious thinkin'.
I understand, it's a difficult thing when your ideological inconsistencies and intellectual shortcomings are revealed. Monsanto conducts no science, you say. Got it.
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