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climbski2

Mountain climber
The Ocean
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 16, 2018 - 07:24am PT
Hear ye hear ye...

Let it be known upon the final law of the universe (The King James Bible).

Anything any government has ever done is rightous in the eyes of your lord. As the Lord commandeth you to obey your government the lord ordained and put in place.

So says the Herald

Jeffery Sessions top legal inquisitor of this here greatest United States of America

A Essex

climber
Jun 16, 2018 - 09:27am PT
Salvation only through King Trump!!!!!

He Hath returned Halleluia!!!!!!!!!!
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jun 16, 2018 - 09:42am PT
Always interesting to read a little further when the bible gets cited as authority

Romans 13:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

New International Version (NIV)
Rollover

climber
Gross Vegas
Jun 16, 2018 - 09:47am PT
Righteous
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jun 16, 2018 - 12:31pm PT
what about the murder of disrespectful children???

You can't murder them for being disrespectful. But if two woman both claim to be the child's mom, you are allowed to cut the child in half.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jun 16, 2018 - 05:18pm PT
Speaking of the sins that ensure extinction in the Bible, Ezekiel 16:49 tell us what the sin of Sodom was that brought forth its destruction with fire and brimstone.

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And Leviticus adds:

Leviticus 19:34 The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

So the Lord your God tells you to love aliens as you love yourselves.

And Colossians adds:
Collossians 3:11 In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all.

And in the New Testament, Mathew has this:

Matthew 25: 35 I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.

Matt. 25:40 Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.



Right after the part of Romans Sessions quotes about obedience to law, Were are Told:

Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law

You can find more quotes on being kind to strangers i Exodus, John, and Jeremiah and the parable of the Good Samaritan ( who is your neighbor?) . ,

but the greatest examples is that when the young Jesus and his family fled to Egypt to avoid the massacre of the innocents, they were not separated by anyone.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jun 16, 2018 - 05:27pm PT
Lorenzo! I like those, be kind to strangers, Biblical Quotes.

It appears America's Evangelical Christians are no-longer following Biblical Quotes, that don't preach hatred.

It's all part of Trump-Worship!

RURP_Belay

Big Wall climber
Bitter end of a bad anchor
Jun 16, 2018 - 05:34pm PT
It appears America's Evangelical Christians are no-longer following Biblical Quotes, that don't preach hatred.

Totally new concept! Too funny Fritz - thanks for the laugh.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jun 16, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
It’s not just kindness to strangers that the Bible counsels us on, but or relationship with the law. For instance , in
10All who rely on works of the Law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11And it is clear that no one is justified before God by the Law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” 12The Law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The one who does these things will live by them.”…
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Jun 16, 2018 - 06:29pm PT
Sessions Smug face when he says that schitt it really pushes my agro button

climbski2

Mountain climber
The Ocean
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2018 - 06:33pm PT
^

Yeah me too..I f*#king hate politard threads on ST..but I did it anyway I was so aggro
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Jun 17, 2018 - 05:47am PT
It would seem that government was the #1 cause of death during the 20th century.

Democide = Death by government.

Significant 20th century democides
The following based on Matthew White's web site [1] lists the significant democides where the death rate can be estimated to exceed 1,000,000. Accurate figures are difficult to establish and many estimates tend to reflect particular biases. In speaking of the Rwanda and Burundi democides White concludes that the toll was "700,000 to 1,600,000 more or less". Several of these amounts include a significant portion of famine deaths.
World War II (1937-1945) 51,000,000
Mao's China (1949-1975) 42,000,000
Stalin's Soviet Union (1924-1953) 20,000,000
World War I (1914-1918) 16,800,000
Nationalist China (1928-1937) 9,600,000
Russian Civil War (1917-1922) 8,900,000
Congo Free State (1886-1908) 8,000,000
Warlord China (1917-1928) 6,800,000
North Korea (1948-now) 4,600,000 (not including the Korean War)
Democratic Republic of the Congo (1998-now) 3,300,000
Chinese Civil War (1945-1949) 3,000,000
Nigeria (1966-1970) 3,000,000
Korean War (1950-1953) 2,900,000
German expulsions (1945-1947) 2,100,000
Second Indochina War (1960-1975) 1,900,000
Pol Pot's Cambodia (1975-1978) 1,800,000
Sudan (1983-now) 1,500,000
Ethiopia (1962-1992) 1,500,000
Bangladesh (1971) 1,500,000
Afghanistan (1979-2001) 1,400,000
Mozambique (1975-1993) 1,100,000
Mexico (1910-1920) 1,000,000
Armenia (1915-1923) 1,000,000
Rwanda and Burundi (1959-1995) 1,000,000
Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988) 1,000,000
The total of these is 196,500,000
http://www.fact-index.com/d/de/democide.html
climbski2

Mountain climber
The Ocean
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 17, 2018 - 06:22am PT
^ It's the democrats fault
A Essex

climber
Jun 17, 2018 - 07:11am PT
Trump is Lord!!!!!!! All shall bow and give their little brown childrens as Holy scacrifices

...me and Lorenzo, rollin in the Benzo...
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jun 17, 2018 - 01:14pm PT
straight down the middle or across at the waist?

It would have to be straight down the middle. You want the two halves to be as symmetric as possible or the alleged moms will just argue who gets the top and who gets the bottom.
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
Jun 17, 2018 - 03:03pm PT
When you want to get a good idea where all this is headed, you have to look back to how England, Scotland and Ireland were governed during the Interregnum in the 17th century when the Puritans and Oliver Cromwell had total control of the government. You'll observe that the first thing they did was close all the theaters, then on from there, to full-blast genocide for the Catholic "heretics" living in Ireland. Luckily, the British people finally got sick and tired of all this reactionary stuff and the descendants of the Puritans moved over here to America. Is there going to be an American re-run? Are we going to start killing all those brown Mexican Catholics to "make America white again"?
Barbarian

climber
Jun 18, 2018 - 07:39am PT
Psalm 109:7-16
couchmaster

climber
Jun 18, 2018 - 09:25am PT

Seems like you missed a lot of horror stories that government has brought down on their own citizens. Maybe overstated a few as well. But regardless, we privileged Americans often take what we have in this country for granted, giving this list to folks and discussing our history vis a vis the sh#t show that the world can be at times isn't a bad thing at all. Watching the US Executive branch obtain more and more power over the years has been a tad disturbing. Equally troubling is the part the US often plays to help as#@&%e leaders of other countries play dirty. Thanks for the refresher Reeotch that we need to remain vigilant.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_disappearance


Reeotch said:
"Significant 20th century democides
The following based on Matthew White's web site [1] lists the significant democides where the death rate can be estimated to exceed 1,000,000. Accurate figures are difficult to establish and many estimates tend to reflect particular biases. In speaking of the Rwanda and Burundi democides White concludes that the toll was "700,000 to 1,600,000 more or less". Several of these amounts include a significant portion of famine deaths.
World War II (1937-1945) 51,000,000
Mao's China (1949-1975) 42,000,000
Stalin's Soviet Union (1924-1953) 20,000,000
World War I (1914-1918) 16,800,000
Nationalist China (1928-1937) 9,600,000
Russian Civil War (1917-1922) 8,900,000
Congo Free State (1886-1908) 8,000,000
Warlord China (1917-1928) 6,800,000
North Korea (1948-now) 4,600,000 (not including the Korean War)
Democratic Republic of the Congo (1998-now) 3,300,000
Chinese Civil War (1945-1949) 3,000,000
Nigeria (1966-1970) 3,000,000
Korean War (1950-1953) 2,900,000
German expulsions (1945-1947) 2,100,000
Second Indochina War (1960-1975) 1,900,000
Pol Pot's Cambodia (1975-1978) 1,800,000
Sudan (1983-now) 1,500,000
Ethiopia (1962-1992) 1,500,000
Bangladesh (1971) 1,500,000
Afghanistan (1979-2001) 1,400,000
Mozambique (1975-1993) 1,100,000
Mexico (1910-1920) 1,000,000
Armenia (1915-1923) 1,000,000
Rwanda and Burundi (1959-1995) 1,000,000
Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988) 1,000,000
The total of these is 196,500,000
http://www.fact-index.com/d/de/democide.html"

Cambodia
"The Cambodian Killing Fields are a number of sites in Cambodia where collectively more than a million people were killed and buried by the Khmer Rouge regime, during its rule of the country from 1975 to 1979, immediately after the end of the Cambodian Civil War. The mass killings are widely regarded as part of a broad state-sponsored genocide"

Argentina:
"... many of the captives were heavily drugged and loaded onto aircraft, from which they were thrown alive while in flight over the Atlantic Ocean in the so-called "death flights" or (vuelos de la muerte), so as to leave no trace of their death"

Guatemala
"An estimated 40,000 to 50,000 individuals were disappeared by the Guatemalan military and security forces between 1954 and 1996. The tactic of disappearance first saw widespread use in Guatemala during the mid-1960s, as government repression became widespread when the military adopted harsher counterinsurgency measures. The first documented case of forced disappearance by the government in Guatemala occurred in March 1966, when thirty Guatemalan Party of Labour associates were kidnapped, tortured and killed by the security forces; their bodies were put in sacks and dumped at sea from helicopters. This was one of the first major instances of forced disappearance in Latin American history.[67] When law students at the University of San Carlos used legal measures (such as habeas corpus petitions) to require the government to present the detainees at court, some of the students were "disappeared" in turn"

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 18, 2018 - 11:44am PT
America, under Trump is moving towards a caliphate. Be guarded....Hitler was, early on, underestimated by nearly everyone and suddenly...it was too late.
couchmaster

climber
Jun 18, 2018 - 12:46pm PT
Donini quote
"America, under Trump is moving towards a caliphate. Be guarded....Hitler was, early on, underestimated by nearly everyone and suddenly...it was too late."

Well Jim, it seems that once we can finally get all of our friends, neighbors and relatives disarmed so that President Trump (the commander and chief of the US military) will have the military, FBI, CIA, and large corporations under his control and we will not need to worry over any of that at all. All of us will finally be "safe" from all this gun violence the media continuously harps on about. Never mind that Mexico has all but disarmed all law abiding citizens and that's pretty much made the honest folks prey for out of control criminals and criminal police and criminal soldiers. That can't happen here.


Professor Stephen Halbrook's works explores how France was all but screwed having made the mistake of disarming not long before the Nazis invaded. No one saw that happening a few short years later. Meanwhile back in Germany, the Wiemar Republic gun registration laws made it easy to tick off a list and find all of the armed Jews, Communists and Social Democrats (if the NAZI's were Republicans, the Social Democrats were the democrats) to clamp down on.

But that can't happen here.
Quote:
"History has shown, over and over, that totalitarian regimes of all stripes, for self-preservation, work to disarm their populations. Our Founding Fathers knew this, and so we are blessed that when all else
fails, our Second Amendment rights are our final backstop, providing the most effective safeguard of liberty."

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270491/real-resistance-lloyd-billingsley

Never forget. Never forgive. Never.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jun 18, 2018 - 05:48pm PT
Couch,
you know I agree with that, but silly Americans, most of whom were not raised in a gun culture, are usually willing to compromise certain liberties for the promise of security making them "worthy of neither."


Too bad Donini isn't MORE scared of Trump. He might see the wisdom of a well armed citizenry.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jun 18, 2018 - 06:12pm PT


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Argentina:
"... many of the captives were heavily drugged and loaded onto aircraft, from which they were thrown alive while in flight over the Atlantic Ocean in the so-called "death flights" or (vuelos de la muerte), so as to leave no trace of their death"

Argentine military learned this at the school of the Americas at ft. Benning, GA.


They were transporting some 16 prisoners, South Vietnamese prisoners, who had been interrogated at several levels before being sent to Saigon. They were transporting these prisoners in two helicopters, double-rotor helicopters, H-121. There were eight prisoners brought onto each helicopter. They were tied, their hands were tied behind their backs, and they were tethered together with rope around their necks, and about a six-foot length of rope to the next prisoner. A string of eight of them like that were put on each helicopter. With them were about an equal number of South Vietnamese or ARVN troops as guards. Also on that flight of five helicopters were three gunships, HUIB single-rotor helicopters. I flew in the first of these helicopters. The point helicopter. We were to fly support for this mission to bring these prisoners to Saigon. Incidentally, during those days, prisoners were brought to Saigon for a six-month rehabilitation program and then they were released after the six months to go back to wherever they wanted to go, that is, South Vietnamese or NLF prisoners. We took off from Can Tho. We heard, or I heard (I had a headset on), the radio message to Saigon. We got in contact with MACV headquarters in Saigon, told them we were coming with 16 prisoners, and they said they would have a greeting party for us at Tan Son Nhut Airport. We flew in one direct nonstop flight. All the ships stayed together the entire flight, about an hour and ten minutes or so. No helicopter left the group at any time. It could never have caught up with us if it did leave, and land anywhere. We landed in Saigon, I got out of the helicopter, and there was a greeting party there to meet us, a colonel from MACV and some other field grade officers. They had a paddy wagon to transport prisoners and so on. When we got off the helicopter, there were exactly three prisoners left on one helicopter, and one prisoner left on the other helicopter. These prisoners were now bound with their hands behind their backs. They were blindfolded, and of course no tether or no rope around their necks attaching to any other prisoners. I instantly realized what had happened and couldn't believe it, although I knew, rationally, what had to have happened. I went over to the American door gunner of one of the transport ships, and I asked him what the _ happened, and he told me that they had pushed them out over the Mekong Delta. And I said, "Who?" and he said, "The ARVN guards did." And I just shook my head and said, "I can't believe it," and he said, "Go over there and look at the doorway." There are open doorways on these helicopters; they have no closeable door, there's just a door frame.

And I went over to the doorway and stopped when I got about five feet away and didn't want to go any closer because there was flesh from the hands of the prisoners when they were pushed out on the door jambs and on the door frames. And there was blood on the floor where they had been beaten and pushed out of the helicopters. I went back to my own helicopter that I had just gotten out of and there I overheard the conversation between the American pilots and the MACV colonel who had come to meet the prisoners, and he asked them what the _ happened to the other prisoners and one of the American pilots simply said to him, "They tried to escape over the Mekong Delta."

http://www2.iath.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_23_POW.html
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Jun 19, 2018 - 07:42am PT
xCon,

If you ever get involved in armed conflict, you will find there are no “good guys.” The whole scene pulls you into the fray. No matter what you do or don’t do, you will feel guilty. One might argue that it is best not to get involved, but that won’t be an option.
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Jun 19, 2018 - 08:44am PT
Children are NOT being taken from their parents simply because the government wishes to prosecute their parents for illegal entry and the children cannot accompany them to jail. That makes it sound like these separations are simply incidental to a separate enforcement policy that the government decided to pursue.

The reality is actually just the opposite. The Trump administration’s decision to prosecute parents for illegal entry was taken in order to create an excuse to separate mothers from children. As I’ve said, the irritating problem the Trump administration has been struggling to overcome, with reference to the many thousands of bona fide asylum seekers that come to the border, is that a) lots of them are moms with kids, b) kids can’t legally be kept in more restrictive custody than absolutely necessary, and c) there is a federal court decision, legally binding on Trump administration, that states that when you release children from detention who are detained alongside their mothers, the mothers have to be released too.

This is what Trump and Sessions have meant when they have talked cryptically about “loopholes” that are “forcing” them to release asylum-seekers into the interior. There are lots of asylum-seeking moms that the government would otherwise have preferred to have kept locked up in hidden border facilities, without any meaningful ability to recruit counsel, for the entire duration of their cases. But because these moms had a child detained with them, they couldn’t do this.

Separating kids from moms thus serves two purposes. One is deterrence. It’s designed to send a gruesome message to women contemplating fleeing Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Mexico: If you come here looking for protection, we will take your child away from you. As a deterrence tactic, this is likely to be extremely effective. Even if you were trapped in a house with someone you thought might murder you and your child, would you readily run for help to a next-door neighbor who happens to be a notorious child kidnapper? That alternative is so horrific that you would teeter a long while before you chose it. You might think to yourself that trying to placate the would-be murderer is a better bet than throwing yourself on the mercy of the kidnapper. A lot of women are going to get murdered as they hesitate over this monstrous ultimatum. (Jeff Sessions, who is apparently a Christian, had better hope that Christianity turns out to be bunk, because otherwise he is going to burn for eternity. I myself am rooting strongly for Christianity to be real!)

The second and perhaps even more critical purpose of family separation is to ensure that moms who are still brave enough and desperate enough to come here will lose their cases. There are not nearly enough competent immigration lawyers along the border to meet the needs of all the people who come to ask for asylum. In the past, when the government was forced to release moms with kids, these families could go settle anywhere in the country they chose, and have their case adjudicated in the local immigration court in their new place of residence. Because they weren’t detained, they had the ability to actually recruit a lawyer to help them. And a lot of them settled in parts of the country, like California or New York, where the immigration judges actually, you know, sort of care about people not being murdered, as opposed to border judges, who are mostly looking for any colorable reason to say “no” to a case. Now that the government is starting to separate moms from kids on a large scale, it is possible we will start to see moms detained in border facilities for the entire duration of their cases. They will be unrepresented and facing unfriendly judges. They will lose.

I think it is important to understand that these family separations are not just a byproduct of brute over-prosecution of “illegal” entry. Rather, they are part of a concerted strategy to allow the government to avoid granting people asylum, and to circumvent the courts’ few, limited attempts to legally impose humane limits on their treatment of asylum-seekers.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/06/understanding-the-administrations-monstrous-immigration-policies
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Jun 19, 2018 - 09:08am PT
The final battle started on the eve of Passover of April 19, 1943, when a Nazi force consisting of several thousand troops entered the ghetto. After initial setbacks, 2,000 Waffen SS soldiers under the field command of Jürgen Stroop systematically burned and blew up the ghetto buildings, block by block, rounding up or murdering anybody they could capture. Significant resistance ended on April 28, and the Nazi operation officially ended in mid-May, symbolically culminating with the demolition of the Great Synagogue of Warsaw on May 16. According to the official report, at least 56,065 people were killed on the spot or deported to German Nazi concentration and death camps (Treblinka, Poniatowa, Majdanek, Trawniki).[61]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto#Ghetto_Uprising_and_final_destruction_of_the_ghetto


Your small arms won’t save you. If the Trump was able to become the “strong leader” like Putin, Kim Jong Un, Duterte et al, whom he admires so much, and get the CIA, FBI, and military to act on his every unconstitutional whim against US citizens inside this land we had better hope that some other powerful countries would be willing to help us.

The time to protest is now.

If Trump were able to gain such power it would be too late for political protests, and small arms and Molotov’s would only be a little less futile against the concerted efforts of the FBI, NSA, CIA, the military, and the gun nuts in Trump’s base.

Against a powerful government and its military being used against its own populace an insurgency can only have a decent chance of winning or reaching stalemate with outside help, such as when we provided Stinger missiles and other arms to the Taliban in their fight against the Soviets, or when the French provided vital support to the American Revolution.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jun 19, 2018 - 09:51am PT
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 19, 2018 - 09:55am PT
Couch,
you know I agree with that, but silly Americans, most of whom were not raised in a gun culture, are usually willing to compromise certain liberties for the promise of security making them "worthy of neither."

Both of you know damn well which side the gun nuts will be on if Trump stages a coup.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jun 23, 2018 - 04:35pm PT
When you want to get a good idea where all this is headed, you have to look back to how England, Scotland and Ireland were governed during the Interregnum in the 17th century when the Puritans and Oliver Cromwell had total control of the government. You'll observe that the first thing they did was close all the theaters, then on from there, to full-blast genocide for the Catholic "heretics" living in Ireland. Luckily, the British people finally got sick and tired of all this reactionary stuff and the descendants of the Puritans moved over here to America. Is there going to be an American re-run? Are we going to start killing all those brown Mexican Catholics to "make America white again"?

Would that this were so, but your timeline is wacko, at least as far as execution of Catholics is concerned, or to Puritans heading to the new world.

Puritans were in the new world at Plymouth in 1620 after failed attempts at Sagadahoc ( Popham), Roanoke, and Jamestown.. Cromwell was named Protector of the realm in 1653, the same year a Town on Long Island ( Huntington) , named for his Birthplace, was founded by Presbyterian Puritans. By 1643 there were an estimated 30,000 puritans in New England.

I grew up there. I was a Catholic who belonged to a Boy Scout troop sponsored by the Old First Presbyterian Church, founded that year. Tensions had eased by the 1950’s.

The killing Catholics thing might have been true, but that occurred before Cromwell also.
persecutions began after Henry VIII severed tied with the Vatican in 1537 and continued whenever a Protestant Monarch hit the throne. (Elizabeth, for example. She did in Scottish Cousin Mary) her successor Charles I carried on the family hobby.

Guido Faukes , a Catholic, tried to blow up parliament in 1605. Cromwell was 7 at the time, so I suspect it’s not correct to blame reprisals on him.


Catholic monarchs did the same to heretic Protestants, a famous example being Henry’s Catholic daughter “Bloody Mary.” Her Husband Phillip was the true King of England at the time. At her death in 1556? he traded up to king of Spain and the Holy Roman Empire a couple years later. In 1588 he made a sojourn to reclaim his Throne in England after his attempt to convert Elizabeth and marry her came to nought.

But Catholics were even executed under Catholic King James. Priest John Alworth in 1613 being an example.
Cromwell was still only 15.

Cromwell massacred Catholics alright, but they were largely Irish, and the ones he butchered were more for political than religious reasons. He killed as many Anglicans.

And they closed the theaters because they were meeting places for royalists, not for the normally avowed unseemlyness oft quoted.
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