2. I would not mind having a third option for people who don't identify as male or female.

Well, women's restrooms are generally much cleaner than men's.

you beat them severely just shy of death and call the police

1. This is not about having "safe places" for people who don't identify as male or female nor is it an LGBTQ "rights" issue in my opinion.

2. I would not mind having a third option for people who don't identify as male or female.

3. I want my kids to feel safe when changing or showering. I wouldn't want my teenage daughter to have some teenage guys in there peeping it on her showering or a dirty old man peeping in on her while they shower or change or use the bathroom.

4. Honestly, what does this accomplish, my guess is that it makes a whole lot more people feel uncomfortable than a few who would feel uncomfortable having to use the bathroom of the sex/gender they were born with.

5. My intent is not to revisit the old gender "neutral bathroom issue", but to try to dig into what our communities are now forcing upon those of us who would feel tremendously uncomfortable having somebody from the opposite sex share a fairly private space. I would feel uncomfortable, my kids would be terrified, and many of my heterosexual friends feel the same.

But nobody seems to be caring that we would feel terribly uncomfortable. Does that make sense?

Jun 11, 2018 - 08:19pm PT

1. This is not about having "safe places" for people who don't identify as male or female nor is it an LGBTQ "rights" issue in my opinion.


We all can see that in your words.


2. I would not mind having a third option for people who don't identify as male or female.


Like we did for colored folk back in the day?


3. I want my kids to feel safe when changing or showering. I wouldn't want my teenage daughter to have some teenage guys in there peeping it on her showering or a dirty old man peeping in on her while they shower or change or use the bathroom.


Since when do teenage girls shower at a climbing gym anyway? I was once a teenage girl. We didn't shower in the high school locker room at school, and we sure were not going to shower in some climbing gym with nasty old ladies.


4. Honestly, what does this accomplish, my guess is that it makes a whole lot more people feel uncomfortable than a few who would feel uncomfortable having to use the bathroom of the sex/gender they were born with.


It accomplishes something you obviously don't understand or care about.


5. My intent is not to revisit the old gender "neutral bathroom issue", but to try to dig into what our communities are now forcing upon those of us who would feel tremendously uncomfortable having somebody from the opposite sex share a fairly private space. I would feel uncomfortable, my kids would be terrified, and many of my heterosexual friends feel the same.

You are focusing on YOUR momentary discomfort. Have you ever considered that others spend much of their entire lives feeling uncomfortable?


But nobody seems to be caring that we would feel terribly uncomfortable. Does that make sense?

I don't see a lot of caring in your post either. None at all.

Have we gotten to a point where the opinion of the majority is outweighed by the oversensitivity of the minority

Why are you asking US why this makes YOU uncomfortable

Meanwhile the equation to racial separation is also off mark. Unless you want to use the same sweeping logic to defend the rights of pedophiles and zoophiles. Aren't they being discriminated against....

I feel more threatened by bald christian types who ride dirt bikes and destroy the desert.

Saying "its the law" is sort of dodging the question. Whether management made the decision themselves, or their lawyers did, or the state legislature or courts did... it doesn't answer the question of whether its the best solution to making a tiny minority (1/3rd of 1 percent) more comfortable. Meanwhile the equation to racial separation is also off mark. Unless you want to use the same sweeping logic to defend the rights of pedophiles and zoophiles. Aren't they being discriminated against.... "its just like separate drinking fountains".
Even in feminist literature the male organ is at times portrayed as a weapon of assault and humiliation... Society has traditionally had separate locker-rooms is light of this. Now a minority has decided for us. "Legally" a 6'4" 300 lb man can go into the women's locker-room with his dick a swinging. IMHO this isn't a step toward equality but an indication of the lost decadence of modern society.

Jun 11, 2018 - 10:15pm PT
Micro, if it's any consolation, part of your reaction seems to be channeling Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. He pointed out that phrases such as "everyone should feel safe" are often used "to cover and apologize for the power to make a part of the community uncomfortable by a change." Holmes thought covering up and apologizing was dangerous. He believed it was better to admit that choosing a rule/law/policy has a tragic side: All rules, no matter how good, hurt someone. In this case, as you point out, it's literally impossible to for the gym to make "everyone" feel safe. Whatever bathroom rule the gym picks, somebody -- either trans person or traditionalist -- will feel uncomfortable or unsafe.

PS It's easy to forget that the point of rules is to make some people uncomfortable by requiring them to do something they would not otherwise do, such as let trans women use the women's room.

the lost decadence of modern society.

I personally have no problem with the law protecting a small minority of folks who want to use the bathroom of their choosing, but what irks me is the added sign with the big explanation. I think that large poster is virtue signalling by the gym and serves to make many people uncomfortable.