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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 28, 2018 - 04:16pm PT
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I am no noob. did pleanty of drugs in the 70s and dabbled a time or two since. I hurt my hip pretty bad a month ago and the kids at work gave me a bud to help with the pain. Figured a few puffs have no impact on my alcohol sobriety so I gave it a go. The stink bud actually works pretty good for pain. I will give it that but it kills your awareness of lots of other sensations. Normally when I do a good solo I get an incredible adrenalin rush that lasts for the rest of the day and sometimes carrys over into the next day or even week. Last weekend being 420 and all I took a few puffs after soloing Parasol gully on the way home I almost forgot that I had been climbing. Instead of reveling in the climb and rideing the natural high that comes from climbing I was simply stoned. lots of things were interesting and enhanced by the weed but none of them were as intense and worthy as soloing a 300ft frozen waterfall yet I hardly even thought about the climb. Too busy being stoned.....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 28, 2018 - 04:19pm PT
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They’re gonna come for ya with the pitchforks and tar, ya infidel!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2018 - 04:27pm PT
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Figured that. They will call me a noob, suggest that I did not smoke it right or I smoked the wrong strain or perhaps even get me banned but fact is they are too stoned to know what it is like to do a great (relative to the individual) athletic and spiritual endeavor without either being stoned or being in withdrawal and wishing they were stoned. Either one of these conditions blocks the natural high. The only way you can experience the natural high is to be completely comfortable with being clean and sober when you embark on the journey. If your energy is diluted by wishing you had a little bit of this or a little bit of that to make the day perfect you will miss out on how perfect the day actually is.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 28, 2018 - 04:32pm PT
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Does it occur to you that maybe some folks use dope to diminish unwanted non-physical sensations, rather than to have some mind-expanding transcendent aura-enhancing door opened in their tarry little brains?
And maybe some people like Jeff Sessions might have a double-rainbow moment that could be a good thing for us all, eh?
Not too sure about that binary of high vs. withdrawn as far as pot goes Tradman.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2018 - 04:37pm PT
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people use drugs for all kinds of reasons. Many of those reasons are perfectly legit but that does not change the fact that the drugs alter their reality...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2018 - 04:40pm PT
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Climbing is 90% mental. If your day is not perfect because you ran out of weed you are wasteing precious mental vibes wishing you had weed instead of being stoked about your climb...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2018 - 04:44pm PT
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Don't get me wrong. I am totally all for full legalization but I am also aware that imbideing is a separate reality that INMOP is not as intense as the sober version.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2018 - 05:05pm PT
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Sugar is pretty bad stuff. trying to ease out of it. causes dementia etc......
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 28, 2018 - 05:14pm PT
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Stoners are out...missing.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Apr 28, 2018 - 05:39pm PT
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Chounaird tool buried to the hilt!
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Apr 28, 2018 - 05:44pm PT
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So smoking weed tempers your urge to perform self centered frivolous and dangerous pursuits in a desire to feel a temporary high from adrenaline? Sounds balanced
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 28, 2018 - 05:48pm PT
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I am a bit confused,did the kids who gave you that bud say it was for climbing,let alone driving?
I mean ,how is your hip?
If a doctor offered you OxyContin,(as my doc did for a bulging disc) would you go climb on it ?
All I can say is weed works more than good for chronic pain.
I have RA,there are days.........
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 28, 2018 - 06:45pm PT
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Told ya they’d bring the pitchforks. 😐
Heresy is still dangerous.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Apr 28, 2018 - 06:53pm PT
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people use drugs for all kinds of reasons. Many of those reasons are perfectly legit but that does not change the fact that the drugs alter their reality...
See, you knew the answer all along.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Apr 28, 2018 - 07:10pm PT
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I smoked a bowl before, during and after soloing Royal Arches. Had a great time. Did not dimish my "soloist/adrenaline" high. I think back on that time and still feel great.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Apr 28, 2018 - 07:22pm PT
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^^^ Sometimes I look to put on a condom and do it to my girlfriend from behind so I can pretty she's some tramp I met at the bar.
Edit to add: In all seriousness, I don't really smoke much these days. Maybe once a day and usually late in the evening. I don't know if it helps my memory though. I still can't* find my pitchfork. That's some nice blue ice, BTW.
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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Apr 28, 2018 - 11:04pm PT
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Hey tradman cheers to finding your route. I don't smoke much really (4 months ago?). But I have climbing quite often and it makes me more open minded and finding that center of balance in the hips and keeps my mind off the annoying distractions you encounter on your journey (Off Belay!!! reply: What!!!!???) from somewhere else. I don't climb for adrenaline or intensity but for grace and efficient movement. I'm fully aware and remember every sequence, gear placement and smell. The cool eddies of air at a shaded ledge tucked in a corner, or the pounding heat when you move into the sun and the air layer you are in is stable and no breeze.
I don't consider myself a "stoner" but I have been stoned climbing and it doesn't detract from my experience one bit. But again climbing the Naked Edge or the Diamond is not an intensity thing for me its just fun...until its not.
Cheers Man!!!
S....
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2018 - 03:38am PT
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has nothing to do with doing it my way. it is simply a statement that if you think weed makes your climbing experience better that is simply an illusion and you are missing out on reality. The kids gave me the weed because it was 420 and they wanted to expand my mind. they also gave me some for my Birthday last year. I used it for pain and mind expansion. What I already knew and had to re learn is that weed does not expand your mind as much as it simply spaces you out.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 29, 2018 - 07:40am PT
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So Tradman is an adrenaline junky.
No different than a doper.
Both are addicted to intoxicant.
Prisoners of intoxication.
Material Bondage ......
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 29, 2018 - 08:56am PT
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LOL .....
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Apr 29, 2018 - 09:14am PT
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"to each his own, but to thine own self be true, this must follow as night the day, thou cans't be false to any man".
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Apr 29, 2018 - 09:28am PT
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Those are some real vintage ice tools! I'm surprised you don't need drugs for your bashed knuckles. Good job getting out there and climbing!
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Apr 29, 2018 - 10:12am PT
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"has nothing to do with doing it my way. it is simply a statement that if you think weed makes your climbing experience better that is simply an illusion and you are missing out on reality"
Nevermind, found my pitchfork. Reminds me of a Metallica song, "Holier Than Thou"
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 29, 2018 - 10:26am PT
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Watch it, Traddy, they’re heating up the tar.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 29, 2018 - 12:16pm PT
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Lot of hand- wringing from the 420 set
Their brains are too addled to do anything else.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Apr 29, 2018 - 12:26pm PT
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Anyone who thinks that getting high doesn’t affect their Sobriety is lying to themselves and as we all know, you’ll never be sober if you lie to yourself.. .
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2018 - 12:27pm PT
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you guys are so stoned you can't even figure out which tools I am using ;) you are also so stoned you think that I was saying that medicine is bad. Whatever...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 29, 2018 - 01:12pm PT
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Hmmm. Smoked pot, got stoned, and couldn't remember the interesting bits...
You're doing it wrong.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Apr 29, 2018 - 01:17pm PT
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Is it a free solo if your leashes are attached to your harness? Seems more like aid solo to me... 🤔
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Apr 29, 2018 - 03:54pm PT
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Nothing that bad about getting stoned. Nothing wrong with climbing either. Although as the wise will tell, if you smoke, check your knot twice and dont rig that gri gri backwards. That said, the pure experience of climbing is so potent and precise, I would not want to dull the edge of the sharp end by adulterating it with weed. I wouldnt want to cross fade it. Getting stoned afterward is another matter. And so many of us love to swill a cold beer after a big day on the wall. But climbing is itself such a great experience, I prefer to be completely in the nanosecond of the now while leading. Not so much for the safety, although that is an issue. Mostly I prefer to climb sober because getting stoned takes the edge off the sharp end and dulls the senses to the most subtle and amazing aspects of climbing for me. Perhaps others find it differently. Getting high could perhaps enhance the experience for others. But for me, getting stoned and climbing is like getting cross faded. I prefer the purity of the sober experience.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 29, 2018 - 04:02pm PT
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I used to do a lot of climbing with Scott Cosgrove who was a heavy stoner lol.
He couldn't function without smoking the weed.
At times he forgot to smoke the weed he was worthless and I had to tell him to smoke his weed and then he'd become normal again, lol.
He was so funny ....
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 29, 2018 - 04:13pm PT
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I would not want to dull the edge of the sharp end by adulterating it with weed.
Some people adulterate it with weed to hone the edge of the sharp end.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Apr 29, 2018 - 04:24pm PT
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Just a bit , the old school stuff, with seeds & stems would, calm the sentimentality,but not throw caution into the wind, hone focus on the task, down to the crystal, just this side of it or the other might mean a jamb higher or a bloody flapper, day over. Hell yeah Coz needed his
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2018 - 04:41pm PT
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don't have a weed problem.. Do have an alcohol problem...
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Apr 29, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
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What I already knew and had to re learn is that weed does not expand your mind as much as it simply spaces you out.
Weed doesn't affect every one the same. When I have been an occasional smoker I space out more than when a regular smoker.
But the strain of weed really does make a difference as does the quantity.
But speculating a bit, it sounds like your real gripe is that the weed blocked the multi day adrenaline high you were seeking.
If weed blocked your enjoyment of being outdoors and fluid movement and all that, then it sounds like weed isn't for you. Or maybe you just need to double down and break on through to the other side.
If weed blocked your fear and that is why you didn't enjoy it, may I diplomatically suggest maybe you should think through soloing.
Cheers
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gruzzy
Social climber
socal
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Apr 29, 2018 - 11:30pm PT
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We're all a bunch of self righteous supertopians!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2018 - 03:04am PT
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if you actually read my OP I did not smoke until after the solo. Just because you have built up a tolerance does not mean you are not ripped it simply means that ripped is your new normal.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Apr 30, 2018 - 04:22am PT
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to add in edit
yeah? Left Over? &Who said anything about Hydro?
don't have a weed problem.. Do have an alcohol problem...&
read the Op. . .
DOOOD! I Did & YOU HAVE Figured a few puffs have no impact on my alcohol sobriety so I gave it a go. The stink bud actually works pretty good for pain. I will give it that but it kills your awareness of lots of other sensations. So from that We must start, your use if that is what you call it stems from a miss-conception & inappropriate (for you) use. In your reality, it is an intoxicant, period, not a tool. The addictive mind, those types who are prone to be type"A", very smart, frustrated by. . . The Always thinking , On 'go', all the time, type of person, always that one type especially, has different triggers..
John Gill climbed , it seems Toker Villian(Ron O) did too, I wonder if they partook?
to find calm some need to shoot guns, some can sit and contemplate their own navel, Different strokes. . .You stroll old school , 3rd classing 3-4?Ice, when its phat thats funmax!
Power is not the same as potency, there is a power in the herb, that is mixed up in ritual, but that is lost in todays strains of high test sticky-icky.
(just the sniff is intoxicating, if you have a problem, if you have no problem its nice to just sniff)
The bastardization of a sacrament, by scientific means, that led to this new high potency, clouds the benifits, that balanced natural herb has.
Please, read up on the crazy science there is a strain to compliment your needs.
It was created at UVM !In Wanooski to be exact
The old school Northern lights, & it's Crosses, That is an indica based, bud?, often recommended to extend your good feelings,a 'crisp'high, best AFTER YOUR particular bliss, whatever that may be.
I tried to not have an opinion. In many ways I agree with the premiss.
I think if substance abuse like yours is so profound, i'd find what it is that has my psyche so tormented, that it needs, (& only?) 300 ft Ice Strolls, on the regular to get* out of it's self,to find that calm place.
*(to get off, seemed to crude a way to put it , here for this crowed)
Meditation happens in all forms of pursuits, the goal is to learn to find the balance between full bliss and the common levels of awareness that one needs to climb through life.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Apr 30, 2018 - 05:07am PT
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Sobriety changes you. Sometimes it gives you the heightened perception that you might have felt from certain drugs in the past.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Apr 30, 2018 - 05:11am PT
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Shel Silverstein, ‘got stoned and I missed it’
Oh yes boys play it sweet for me
I was sittin' in my basement I'd just rolled myself a taste of
Somethin' green and gold and glorious to get me through the day
When my friend yells through my transom grab your coat an' get your hat son
There's a nut down on the corner a givin' dollar bills away
But I sat around a bit and then I had another hit
And then I rolled myself a bomber thought about my momma
Looked around fooled around played around while and then
I got stoned and I missed it I got stoned and I missed it
I got stoned and it rolled right by
I got stoned and I missed it I got stoned and I missed it I got stoned oh me oh my
It took seven months of urgin' just to get that local virgin
With the sweet face up to my place to fool around a bit
And next day she woke up rosy and she snuggled up so cosy
But when she asked me how I liked it Lord it hurt me to admit
I got stoned and I missed it...
Read more: Shel Silverstein - I Got Stoned And I Missed It Lyrics | MetroLyrics
https://youtu.be/HM1MftCtIlg
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Apr 30, 2018 - 06:25am PT
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?? HhuMM,?
seems something changed? what was it that left the warm fuzzy glow of this campfire?
Snarky,no longer in context, joke alluding to multiple personality disorder/Ethanolhttps://www.drugs.com/alcohol.html along the lines/about; personalities being sober, has been removed.
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ground chuck,Ice climber.Olympia
!?Apr 30, 2018 - 11:32pm PT
hydro crossbreeds will rot your brain . . . . .
Grnd-Chck!
talk about frighteningly prophetic,on,5/6/
#MythickYhamakin,mekryZ , went to a Hydro strain?! -ikidyougnot-
Erth1st!bIoy
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ECF
Big Wall climber
Ridgway CO
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Apr 30, 2018 - 06:29am PT
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But the real high comes from telling other people what they should and shouldn’t do based on your own personal experiences.
Yeah, power is a trip, man.
People who post on the internet are missing out.
And you drove a car while high on pot? That’s a crime.
Thousands of people used pot in a responsible manner while you were out endangering other people’s lives.
Maybe you and your myopic world view are the problem.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2018 - 04:11pm PT
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jaybro gets it. rest of you too stoned to notice the diference.... BTW the leftover bud went in the woodstove....
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 30, 2018 - 05:10pm PT
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Tradman, you ever mix booze and climbing?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2018 - 05:14pm PT
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not much. mostly climbed on the hungover end and then ripped it up post climbing...
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 30, 2018 - 05:46pm PT
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dude, say what you will about pot killing the experience, hungover climbing is the *worst*
For sure we can all agree that If you're not licking sonoran desert toads butt nekkid new summit onsight freesolo, you're missing out (some small exemption exists for the toad milkers and their milkeye bowls).
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2018 - 06:01pm PT
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wish we had a like button.... the last toadlicking one by TBC is a gem...
Hung over climbing sucks... most things suck hung over..
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 30, 2018 - 06:15pm PT
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Leftover bud .
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Apr 30, 2018 - 07:50pm PT
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hungover climbing is the *worst*
MikeM demanding I keep the previous nights quantities of IPA in my gut and not on his head.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 30, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
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I SMOKE WEED TO HIDE FROM MY PROBLEMS AND SEE HALOOSINAGINS.
ONE TIME I TOKED SO RAD I WAS BLAZED UP
DANK
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 30, 2018 - 08:15pm PT
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HaHaaaaaaa! This is the funniest shite in awhile..😂
Cept for Gdavis, ur still gay.
Edit, and I'm still on the fence tho about Brennan
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 30, 2018 - 08:20pm PT
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so i found this sh#t but now i lost it because of that sh#t. have you seen my line?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 30, 2018 - 08:28pm PT
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Haaa. Easy come easy go😜
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 30, 2018 - 08:31pm PT
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🔭But dam boy, that shite looks 5.11!?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 30, 2018 - 08:45pm PT
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it's a piece all the way out there, gotta go get after it. it definitely will not go without some quality, tan, fineground organic toad venom xtals.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Apr 30, 2018 - 08:51pm PT
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Best use for a #1.
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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Apr 30, 2018 - 10:19pm PT
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^^^^^nothing just some stupid bullsh&t about weed and someone"s hemorrhoid from it. Back to climbing, TR's, a little help to beginners or advanced, funny stories, B.A.S.E. jumping, wingsuits, and coed naked tele.
If you ask me.
S.....
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2018 - 03:04am PT
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Three rings for the Elfin kings in Middle Earth. so hung over we felt like dead horse meat in a dog food factory. My friend is starting up with just a few slings. I am trying to make him carry more gear. "These things are all run out clip ups you only need a few slings.." (possibly still drunk and definatly ripped) at the last minuet while he is wresteling with the flared groove at the start I clip a biner of stoppers on his gear loop. It turns into a very long lead with Alex running out of slings and biners and Clipping stoppers with single biners.... he did great but it was nip and tuck there for a bit....
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gruzzy
Social climber
socal
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Put all the stoners on a scuttled barge, give them a few buckets, see how long they stay afloat
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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If your woman agrees to an hour alone with me, she can then decide who's what.
Oh you big stud . . . what an odd thing to say.
Hey peeps, if THC does not work for you don't do it.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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woe to those who fall for the 1st hitz free y'aLL
DAT'S CRACKENUPWACKYADOWN MODE DON'T DO SYNTHETICS=POISONS EVHA
WHATS A MOUSE GNOW OF A GNOME,,,,alot it would seem. . .
Dawg gone right I do 24 / 7 if in ican
Every hour on the hour always on the elevens can't wait for the 4/20
till the rushezz come - then spinz'n sweats too
I miss my low grade Jamaicanme crazy
 bust um up!
your l;ooking for A what?[Click to View YouTube Video]
I'll give ya what for?!
The Green Witch which is callin'
It smells like Hi-heaven too, To potent!
when itz that potion all I need to do is sniff the canister,
I like it to weigh to much too, (so much, that it comes in a canister)
but baggers can't be choosers - or some say that that is true
not mfm and you know who....
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DL5
Trad climber
a place in the sun
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Different people, different reactions. My wife can use it everyday. For me its no more than once every few months because even the smallest amounts mean many lost hours where I am good for nothing but listening to music, staring at the sky and remembering nothing. It is great that we can each find out for ourselves what works rather than having to beg for permission and prescriptions.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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To each his own but I never enjoyed pot. I hung in the Valley for six straight years in the early to mid 70’s. I experimented with all of the drugs that came thru Camp 4 but, in the end, I decided clear headed reality was for me. Pot was my least favorite drug, it seemed to suck out any ambition. Someone once said to me...” hey dude, don’t you want to be mellow?” My answer...life is short and I don’t want to experience any of it in an altered state.
Although I don’t partake I fully support the recent movement around the country to legalize it’s recreational use. Like I said, different strokes for different folks.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Agreed.
I have RA ,I can either take Celebrex at 7 dollars a pill to cloak the symptoms and deal with some terrible side effects,or,as my doctor now says “smoke something dank”.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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A foolish thing was to prevent research on the effectiveness of pot as a drug, for decades. Claiming that it couldn't have medicinal properties without science likely delayed new treatments, patents, and industries. Other drugs have a similar origin and effects as pot. Why not research it's use?
That said, there are a lot of millenials with chronic headaches. With new strains, and increased potencies, it may be foolish to think that there can't be unforseen consequences. We seem to go through drug trends as a society, and our policies aren't always guided by science.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2018 - 02:49pm PT
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Certainly does not reduce anxiety for me ... Back to my original point. A puff now and then, no problem. Ripped all day every day you have no clue what your missing..
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steve s
Trad climber
eldo
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All in a days work.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Business is booming in the Central Valley.
Currently, Vern and I have to drive to Ceres, though.
This same retailer is opening a shop in Merced soon.
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Hmm... sniff sniff...Trolls?
Normally when I do a good solo I get an incredible adrenalin rush that lasts for the rest of the day and sometimes carrys over into the next day or even week.
I would argue against solo being a la natural thing to be doing in the first place. Therefore, your guilty of seeking the high from it, and not seeking the purity of being it. Demoted two points.
Second, drugs do not create neuron receptor sites in your body.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nice heating system work there steve s!
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Dec 10, 2018 - 09:28am PT
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Hmm... sniff sniff...Trolls?
Normally when I do a good solo I get an incredible adrenalin rush that lasts for the rest of the day and sometimes carrys over into the next day or even week.
Edit:
Your hooked on the adrenalin rush, not on climbing.
When I’m doing a bad solo I get an incredible adrenalin rush, and then I focus on the next move. Afterwards, I wonder WTF am I doing?
You were, “ reveling in the climb and rideing the natural high...” Ice climbing is aid and therefore not natural. Distorting reality rating 5.13c
You mention using alcohol. Richard Feynman was a theoretical physicist who stopped using alcohol after he considered it might affect his thinking.
I’m no doctor Phil. You seem to still be questioning or why would you even bother with the post to begin with? You unconsciously want the pitch forks and tar so you have to do battle? Glory in the struggle? I might be projecting here.
Anyway. Doctors RX drugs using the PDR. It’s just a reference, a guide line, and in my opinion, shake and bake pharmacology. It has no basis in an individuals reality, just statistics of test groups and averages of outcomes. Unless you have a lot of money/insurance/time doctors don’t have the time to individually figure you out.
If your really on a purist kick, then kick the booze too. I never did, I always had an excuse not too.
Good luck and remember,"the best climbers are the ones having the most fun": Jeff Lowe?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2018 - 09:32am PT
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dude your talking gibberish....
Took me at least a year of being completely sober to start to feel good. Most of the early stages of the process you feel like sh#t because you don't have your crutch drugs.
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Dec 10, 2018 - 10:03am PT
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Well, fair enough. I do have issues.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Dec 10, 2018 - 05:42pm PT
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We all have,issues........lol.
And ,this
In 1992 when I was first diagnosed with RA ,(a 4 day hospital stay followed by a close call with pneumonia)I was handed a lifetime prescription for Motrin,then a prescription drug known as Ibuprofen .
Our bike shop started selling CBD today,an alternative to ansaids that works for me , I hope you as well.
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