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Largo

Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 13, 2007 - 10:32am PT
I never read the fiction in the New Yorker -- or didn't till a climbing story by Primo Levy was featured in a recent issue. Good writer, excellent mag. so I took a shot and read it.

Seems like something written in the 1930s. Couldn't figure out what Primo was really after. Not a bad read but felt like a clone of Conrad's "framed" stories (Heart of Darkness, et al) in set up and tone. Maybe I misssed the soul of the thing??

JL
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Jan 13, 2007 - 10:42am PT
Didn't really work for me, either. What caught my eye was the picture of the Hogsback on Mt Hood on page 1. Perhaps it was the translation (nah, that probably wasn't it).
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Jan 13, 2007 - 11:08am PT
I keep slacking on renewing my subscription. Guess I need to go steal the latest issue from my friend's house.
Hootervillian

climber
the Hooterville World-Guardian
Jan 13, 2007 - 11:29am PT
so did the conflicted need to carry the 'cookbook' to be delighted to 'catch it in error' cost Carlo the true taste of Bear Meat?




who goes into the mountains to be able to tell a story
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Jan 13, 2007 - 12:11pm PT
Shazam!

http://www.newyorker.com/fiction/content/articles/070108fi_fiction
mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Jan 13, 2007 - 12:44pm PT
Isn't/Wasn't Primo Levy the Italian Auschwitz survivor? If so, that would probably be why it sounded 1930s-esque. I think I read a book of his a few years back called (something like) "Life in Auschwitz."
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Jan 13, 2007 - 01:05pm PT
Johnny,
I liked it. The story succeeds in describing what most climbers struggle to express to non-climbers: the allure of testing oneself in the mountains.
This sentence seemed to me the key to the story, where the old climber describes his deceased friend from his youth, Carlo:
“I am grateful to Carlo for having deliberately got us into trouble, for [a difficult climb with uncomfortable bivouac] and for the various enterprises, senseless only on the surface, that he involved us in later on, and then for various others, not in the mountains, which I got into on my own, by following his doctrine.”
The “doctrine” is that it’s good to eat the “Bear Meat” of the title, that is, purposefully getting into challenging circumstances and relying on yourself to meet the challenge.
I find the fiction in the New Yorker to be hit and miss, but a couple times a year, there is a real gem.
Rick
maculated

Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
Jan 13, 2007 - 01:23pm PT
Hmm. I have two NYers and a Harpers beckoning. I guess it's a good thing I couldn't rally the troops this weekend.
Dolomite

climber
Jan 13, 2007 - 01:24pm PT
Keep in mind the story is in there more because of who wrote it moreso than because of its "literary" merits. Levi's been dead a while now, and by his own hand (which may be worth considering when thinking about what the thing means). Who knows when he actually wrote it or even whether he considered it "finished" or wanted it published at all. The term "extreme climber" early on suggests it was more recently translated.
Largo is right that it evokes Conrad--not just with its framed structure, but at the end it refers implicitly to Conrad and specifically to the story "Youth."
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 13, 2007 - 01:53pm PT
we've been subscribing to the new yorker for decades. along with harpers, it's one of the best rags out there. the poetry, political commentary, 4,000 word features, book and movies reviews, and of course the fiction and nonfiction...there is something in almost every issue that strikes me as brilliant.

haven't gotten to the fiction in question yet.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Jan 13, 2007 - 03:22pm PT
Primo on his 64th birthday

Interesting discussion. I have to agree with John that this Primo Levi story seems perhaps thin. It was written in 1961 when he was 42, and 16 years had gone by since the war he managed to survive. But apparently he went on to suicide by jumping off the 3rd story landing where he lived, 26 years later. His death forced a re-think by some of his work, which had always maintained the importance of survival and faith. As if his private agonies should have been kept belted down in service of his intellectual tenets. Our story now will be appearing for the first time, translated, in the coming volume, A Tranquil Star.
There are many ardent fans of Levi, as well there should be. His writing, both fiction and nonfiction, has been really important, and the thinking covering the Nazi period is exemplary for its gentle wonder, warmth and humanity. There is some poetry too:

Monday

Is anything sadder than a train
That leaves when it's supposed to,
That has only one voice,
Only one route?
There's nothing sadder.

Except perhaps a cart horse,
Shut between two shafts
And unable even to look sideways.
Its whole life is walking.

And a man
Isn't a man sad?
If he lives in solitude a long time,
If he believes time has run its course,
A man is a sad thing too.

--Primo Levi
January 17, 1946 From Collected Poems, Faber and Faber, London, 1988

So, of course he was a marvelous writer, and survived the impossible in war; but I don’t think this particular story is his most cogent nor his most compelling effort. It treats the now well-worn theme of living close to life’s hot center, in risk and in faith, with veiled references to prior authors. Since we are all climbers here, and some of us do write as well, Primo’s tale is actually a nice basic kindly contribution to a body of literature with which we are extremely familiar already and in which this theme has been elaborated much more successfully and boldly. And by writers with enormously more experience in the mountains. But I am grateful for his work and glad to have read the piece. I think the New Yorker is really important reading for its nonfiction pieces, but yes, the fiction is actually not worth the read.
J. Werlin

climber
Cedaredge
Jan 13, 2007 - 04:18pm PT
JL--

Didn't do much for me either. My least favorite kind of "frame"--the reader twice removed from the story. Found myself skimming near the end to just get through it.

In my opinion, the New Yorker's fiction has gotten fresher and more diverse since the changing of the fiction editors a couple (?) years ago.

Below are a couple of my favorites. (Actually tore these out and stuffed them in my bookcase.) The second of these two reminds me a bit of your own dynamic story telling style.

http://www.newyorker.com/fiction/content/articles/041018fi_fiction

http://www.newyorker.com/fiction/content/articles/041122fi_fiction

Thanks for your literary posts Largo. Used copies of Plain Tales from the HIlls (1899 edition!), Tales of the South Pacific, and The Book of Sand (read Labyrinths at least twice) recently arrived in my mailbox thanks to your reccomendation in another post.

Peter H. -- excellent post. Enjoyed the poem.

-JW
Largo

Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2007 - 07:14pm PT
"Thanks for your literary posts Largo. Used copies of Plain Tales from the HIlls (1899 edition!), Tales of the South Pacific, and The Book of Sand (read Labyrinths at least twice) recently arrived in my mailbox thanks to your reccomendation in another post."

The above mentioned story collections were written between 110 and 30 years ago so they largely pre-date Levi's yarn, hence the 43 year gap between then (Peter pointed out the Levi story was written in 1962) and now cannot explain away the narrative problems, which may only fascinate a writer or academic. I agree with Ricky A. that the ideas in the story are worth knowing, but what Primo never accomplished was to capture a flesh and blood character you culd feel in your guts (as the story collections above did so well). The quasi-arch, impersonal delivery used in the Levi story is helpful in fashioning a shadow crawler like Kurtz. It's also useful in smuggling philosophical and existential ideas into faux narratives. But a realized story is about characters and the more one can feel them as humans in the round, with powerful hopes, regrets and desires, the less the story feels told and the more it feels like a live thing. And IMO, this last issue is crucial in understanding both the story and Primo Levi.

Shortly after his death (most biographers agree it was by suicide), Elie Wiesel said at the time that "Primo Levi died at Auschwitz forty years later." Almost certainly Levi suffered from what in today's world is called shock trauma, which left untreated can devastate the soul of a saint. It blots out our living daylight and while the essence of a genius like Levy can here and there burst through the psychic wilderness, trauma impersonalizes, deadens and destroys, and in this case renders an impersonal style full of rich ideas but at the center feels torpid, melancholic and lacking the spark that apparently died in the camps.

JL
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Jan 13, 2007 - 10:24pm PT
Awesome John!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 13, 2007 - 11:05pm PT
i've read robert bly's "iron john", thought it was a tasteless departure from his brilliant early work.

what is this "awesome john!" of which you speak????
Knoxville

climber
San Francisco
Jan 13, 2007 - 11:43pm PT
I would highly recommend the "Iron" chapter from Levi's _The Periodic Table_. Actually, I would recommend the entire book to anyone but especially to any humanistically-inclined scientists. But "Iron" deals with Levi's mountaineering.
dmalloy

Trad climber
eastside
Jan 14, 2007 - 12:30am PT
I second the recommendation of The Periodic Table. It has been a few years since I read it and I remember thinking that it had a few glaring flaws, but I found it to be powerful, enjoyable and surprising.

Levi and his compatriot Italo Calvino both rock. I was briefly able to read Calvino in the original language many years ago and that was really something - I would recommend translations of his works as good examples of "untethered" fiction, with some of the same things I enjoy about Rushdie or Garcia Marquez.
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Jan 14, 2007 - 12:47am PT
I visited a Nazi death camp, saw the gas chambers. It was one of the most disturbing things I ever saw.
Rocky5000

Trad climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 14, 2007 - 01:07am PT
I liked it, not on literary terms as a well-rounded piece of fiction, but just as a statement of existential triumph, however minor, however brief, in the face of death. Despair may have crushed him in the end, but there was a time when he was master of his world.

"...the taste of being strong and free, which means free to make mistakes; the taste of feeling young in the mountains, of being your own master, which means master of the world."
maculated

Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
Jan 14, 2007 - 01:12am PT
Read it this afternoon. Can't say I loved it. Reminds me of the overinflation that happens at campfires with regularity . . . discussion of the climber as "other." As the subset of the population who "gets it." I liked the phrase "tasting the bear meat." Way better than "epic."

It also had the fault of weak endings. It's my pet peeve as I can't end stories well myself.

It did put a lot of good words to the experience, but there's other good work out there that covers the same thing. Interesting backstory on the author and his framing his life view with mountaineering.

Since Beevb brought it up, one of my favorite editorials from Harpers a few months ago. Every time I type in the words to find it online, I get heebie jeebies that the Feds are gonna get me. I HAVE been searched everytime I've been to an airport so far. Google KNOWS.

http://www.harpers.org/OnSimpleHumanDecency=1149635660.html
mellpat

Big Wall climber
Sweden
Jan 14, 2007 - 11:37am PT
I agree with Riley. But as to Primo Levi it appears more likely that he died by accident, according to this link.

http://www.bostonreview.net/BR24.3/gambetta.html
426

Sport climber
Buzzard Point, TN
Jan 15, 2007 - 08:40am PT
interesting story, I've pulled a Guido from time to time...
Largo

Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2007 - 10:23am PT
Riley,

Where did you ever hear that PTSD didn't affect someone psychologically? The psychological effects are, in fact, legion, and include all kinds of crazy phobias, avoidance behaviors, attachment issues, addictions, et al. One of the main interventions in renegotiating shock trauma is "uncoupling" the emotional and cognitive aspects of the trauma, which at bottom is CNS deregulation. Peter Levine and others have been doing pretty involved work with this for about fifteen years now, with excellent results.

JL
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jan 15, 2007 - 11:52am PT
The ending is actually really brutal, but only if you think really hard about the story's historical setting. Levi is recalling the Alps in the 1920s and '30s during the rise of Fascism and Nazism. By the middle of the twenties, the German-Austrian alpine club had thrown out its predominantly Jewish sections. The huts were draped with Swastikas and forbidden to Jews. In early-thirties Austria, right-wing paramilitaries used the mountain huts as safe houses for terrorist campaigns against Austrian Jews and the government. The language of Alpinism, and the idea of serious risk-taking in the mountains, had been appropriated by both Fascist and Nazi regimes for propaganda and paramilitary purposes.

So when Levi's narrator says of Carlo dying in the mountains, that he died "doing what he had to do: not the kind of duty imposed by someone else, or by the state, but the kind one chooses for oneself," he's making a political point, namely, that it is possible to commit in a serious way to this sort of calling without falling into Nazism or Fascism. In a way, he's trying to reclaim serious alpinism for those who had opposed the Aryanisation of the Alps. That's why the punchline is so grim: In the end, of course, Carlo turns out to be a fictional character, plagiarized from a popular romance about sailors.
hunter

Trad climber
NYC
Jan 15, 2007 - 12:01pm PT
Largo, I don't think radical was suggesting there were no psychological effects, rather he was noting that PTSD, as well as major depression actually alter brain structure. Specifically they reduce the size of the hippocampus and may have similar effects on the prefrontal cortex (though we are still working this out). Of course if you are a neutral or materialist monist, changes in the brain are logical consequences of psychological changes and vice versa.
Largo

Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2007 - 07:41pm PT
Largo, I don't think radical was suggesting there were no psychological effects, rather he was noting that PTSD, as well as major depression actually alter brain structure. Specifically they reduce the size of the hippocampus and may have similar effects on the prefrontal cortex (though we are still working this out). Of course if you are a neutral or materialist monist, changes in the brain are logical consequences of psychological changes and vice versa.

We've seemed to drift off course but so be it. I'm somewhat dialed into this material so here goes.

Not sure what you mean by neutral monism, since this and other terms are widely misued. The normal usage suggests that ultimate reality is all of one kind, which makes this basically a reframing of idealism and materialism, which modern cutting edger neurobiology has pretty well blown off as simplistic and totally unproven. Parts of everyone's mind wants to consider something as being created by something else--such as thoughts and depression being created by the physical brain. In fact the feedback loop works both ways: the brain can greatly influence the mind, and the mind can greatly influence the brain.

In other words, Decartes had it wrong.

JL
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Jan 15, 2007 - 07:55pm PT
Philosophy is a big waste of time.

hunter

Trad climber
NYC
Jan 16, 2007 - 02:42pm PT
Well, I am a neurobiologist, though I shan't flatter myself by saying I'm on the cutting edge, though I do work in the area of PTSD and depression. Most experimental neurobiologists aren't terribly philosophical, but the basic philosophical set from which most of us operate is that the material world is the only world and that the mental world is part of that (materialist monism), so mental events aren't seperate from brain events (really body events, since the brain and body aren't so neatly divisable as anatomists would like), so psychology and physiology can't be set against each other as they are in everyday cartesian thinking (which is dualist as opposed to monist). This is essentially what Tony Damasio was on about in Descartes Error. So I think that basically we agree, I just suffer from the effects of too many years of only writing jargon laden scientific screeds. Sorry for the drift.
Largo

Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2007 - 11:50am PT
Hunter,

I' (and many others) are not suggesting that the mental and physical world are "separate," or that mental goings on don't have a biological fingerprint. It's just that the old idea of what philosopher's called "absolute materialism," in which matter was considered the "cause" or everything mental, is not sustainable.

Saying that "the physical world is the only world" is in effect saying "the physical world is the only world that is physical, and only physical worlds are real since we can only measure matter." However, consciousness itself seems to be non-local, and that's the fly in the oinment, so to speak.

JL
hunter

Trad climber
NYC
Jan 17, 2007 - 12:08pm PT
Largo,
You are quite right, the experimental sciences are materialist because on the material is measurable and if something isn't replicable and measurable it is merely anecdotal, not science in the strict sense. So, professionally, I'm materialist monist. Personally I'm of the Robert Anton Wilson school: "the universe contains a maybe". Ultimately I think the later stance is the one that fits best with the evidence, or lack thereof. But, back on point, what are the non-local manifestations of consciousness to which you refer? I'll grant there is a small preponderance of evidence for weak forms of ESP, but even these have (untested) explanations that potentially fall within the realm of known science. I'm quite curious what you think, as I can't say as I have much depth of knowledge in this area.
Largo

Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2007 - 05:08pm PT
No, I'm not talking about ESP and all that snake oil stuff. Something entirly else. I have no time now but to simply cut and paste some other babble that might shed some light on this.



I wouldn’t use Sam Harris as guide to what I am driving at but he’s taken the time and effort to experientially explore some of the issues and well knows the limititations of an absolutist, brain-based perspective. He states, “The root question of the relationship between consciousness and matter may not be answerable. Or it may not be answerable given our current concepts (mental v. physical; dualism v. monism; etc.)”

What he means here by the word “concepts” is the way we use language, the limit of the evaluating mind to only deal with things and values and aspects, limits our ability to approach consciousness as anything other that another piece of data, a mere function, a capacity, a brain-based agency—and Harris admits the impossibility of this model of investigation bearing definitive fruit that will fit into that particular system. What Harris does not get into is the fact that the material-empirical system, in the hands of those who use it with absolutist fervor—it itself limited.

Going on, Harris writes: “The only claim I have made about consciousness is that it MUST be explored, systematically, from a first-person perspective, and that such exploration can yield reproducible discoveries: one of the most interesting being that the subject/object dichotomy (the ego) is a kind of cognitive illusion. The crucial point is that there is an experiment that a person can run on himself (e.g. meditation) that can be used to test this claim.”

Not quite. Two important points here. First, the subject/object dichotomy is not an illusion in the normal sense of the word. It’s an illusion in the sense that the personality, along with our evaluating minds, are not ultimate functions or fundamental properties, but necessary albeit provisional and timebound states required to live and survive in the material world. They are brain-based, evolved and adaptive, and also indespensible to living in a physical body. Spiritual work is not a matter of transcending personality or that part of our minds that functions only in terms of data processing, reducing physical reality down to measurable bits and reproducable functions. The “work” is to see and understand that these functions operate within a greater field called consciousness, which was neither created nor was it ever “born.”

Harris goes on to talk about the relationship between consciousness and the physical world. “If consciousness really is an emergent property of large collections of neurons, then when these neurons die (or become sufficiently disordered) the lights must really go out. The point I make in my book is that, while we know that mental functions (like the ability to read) can be fully explained in terms of information processing, we don't know this about consciousness. For all we know, consciousness may be a more fundamental property of the universe than are neural circuits.”

The point is, there is no result in neuroscience that rules out dualism, panpsychism, or any other theory that denies the reduction of consciousness to states of the brain. “To my mind," Hasrris concludes, "neuroscience has demonstrated the supervenience of mind upon the brain.”

Here, Harris has all but said that consciousness is a more fundamental property of reality than “neural circuits,” or the physical matter that harbors same.
James

climber
A tent in the redwoods
Jan 20, 2007 - 01:00am PT
The New Yorker hit my classroom a week late (delivery issues). Primo's article is well written and caters well to the upper-east side crowd. The language depicts a strong scene, easy to relate to if you have or haven't been to the mountains. In my view the true story was behind the "bear meat" and more about the fraternity of the mountain.

After I cratered in Joshua Tree, I saw a pyschologist. Primo Levi's writing was discussed in our sessions and his experience with Post-traumatic stress disorder is evident in his work.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Jan 20, 2007 - 10:39am PT
Largo and buds,

Since this thread has inevitably moved to the Body-Mind discussion, I'd point out and recommend two books that are really important in this field:

Descarte's Error by Antonio Dimasio, MD and

The Feeling of What Happens also by Dimasio.

Jonas Salk says about his work: "Antonio Dimasio's astonishing book takes you on a scientific journey into the brain that reveals the invisible world within as if it were visible to our sight. You will never look at yourself or another without wondering what goes on behind the eyes that you meet."

And the NYT Book Review says: "Crucial reading not only for neuroscientists and philosophers but for lay readers too".

best, PH
Largo

Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2007 - 11:06am PT
"Ok Largo, guys, why do you guys think he based his narration on Heart of Darkness and Conrad?"

Not "based" on Conrad. I mentioned Conrad as another writer who used the "framed" story device effectively. It's an old trick not much used anymore because it's so artificially dramatic. Imagine trying to sell the following lines in today's world:

He holds him with his glittering eye -
The wedding-guest stood still,
And listens like a three years' child:
The Mariner hath his will.

This quatrain--a classic to be sure--instructs the reader that what follows is some kind of blockbuster, so listen up, just as the wedding guest is listening. The Ancient Mariner is a wonderful tale, timeless yet dated in style and form.

It also has one of the greatest lines in American lit:

"And ice, mast high, came floating by . . ."

JL
scuffy b

climber
The town that Nature forgot to hate
Jan 26, 2007 - 05:34pm PT
The framing tale was a favorite trick of Kipling's, as well.
For example, The Man Who Would Be King and
The Gate of the Hundred Sorrows
.

A couple of Conrad's biggies, Heart of Darkness and
Lord Jim are narrated by Marlowe.
Did Conrad use any other narrators?
Come to think of it, wasn't Marlowe relating the Lord Jim tale
as told to him by another party?

Largo--how does anything by Coleridge become American Lit?

If you want to read someone who LOVES frame tales, pick up some
John Barth. Most outrageous example is Meneliad, in the collection Lost in the Funhouse.He keeps digging himself
in deeper until he's got seven layers of tale going, and at one
point ends a quotation in all the layers simultaneously:
...blah blah"'"'"'"
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 26, 2007 - 05:47pm PT
It's OT, but the New Yorker did a very nice piece on Yvon Chouinard and Great Pacific Ironworks, roughly in the mid 1970s.
Largo

Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2007 - 06:37pm PT
"Largo--how does anything by Coleridge become American Lit? "

ENGLISH lit. My bad. I take like ten seconds to dash off shite on this here site.

JL
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 26, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
Interesting thread from the year before I found ST. I was just emailed the story under discussion, by an old climbing buddy, & checked to see if it had been discussed here.

I think parts of the story read very well.

This part seems to be a good lead-in for a holiday Friday night.

After we had eaten, we started to drink. Wine is a more complex substance than one might think, and, above two thousand metres, and at close to zero degrees centigrade, it displays interesting behavioral anomalies. It changes flavor, loses the bite of alcohol, and regains the mildness of the grape from which it comes. One can take it in heavy doses without any undesired effects. In fact, it eliminates fatigue, loosens and warms the limbs, and leads to a fanciful mood. It is no longer a luxury or a vice but a metabolic necessity, like water on the plains. It is a well-known fact that vines grow better on a slope: could there be a connection?

MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Dec 26, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
It is a well-known fact that vines grow better on a slope: could there be a connection?


The angle of incidence of the sun?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 26, 2014 - 06:38pm PT
My apologies. The 2007 link to this story no longer works.

Here's one that works fine for me.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/01/08/bear-meat
Nkane

Trad climber
San Francisco, USA
Dec 26, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
I loved this story when I first read it in the New Yorker. In fact, I ended up buying and reading some other Levi afterwards. I often quote that passage about wine when someone hands around a bottle in Tuolomne or other high places.

But I'm surprised that Largo and others weren't moved by it! Though as someone who's written more any better words than I ever will, he's certainly entitled to his opinions!

And it's a story that I think makes little sense if you don't know that the author endured horrors in Auschwitz.

I think the story is about the way that storytelling, while it brings a community together in a mountain hut, and while it can help you deal with the minor traumas in life, is incommensurate with the great awfulness of the Holocaust. The key is in the last two paragraphs.

The power of the second to last paragraph comes from juxtaposing the experience of "bear meat" - a cold night out, which we all know is no fun - with the narrator's "enterprises... not in the mountains." When you know that these "enterprises" are the most horrific experiences that humans can inflict on each other, it both trivializes the mountaineering experience and gives the speaker a way to relate his experience to the people around the table with him. You can feel this tension in the last paragraph, when the speaker loses steam, loses the thread of his story, and feels embarrassed for having crossed some unspoken line.

To me, the conclusion is a perfect culmination. The speaker is able to allude to what he experienced, but is unable to state it. What he experienced is so much worse than his night on the mountain that he won't put the others through the memory so he goes silent. Levi does the same - avoiding mentioning his own time in Auschwitz by concluding the story and distracting the reader with the mention of the book about the sea. But the specter of the Holocaust hangs over the whole story and to me, is more powerful for never being mentioned.
aguacaliente

climber
Dec 26, 2014 - 08:27pm PT
klk wrote:

So when Levi's narrator says of Carlo dying in the mountains, that he died "doing what he had to do: not the kind of duty imposed by someone else, or by the state, but the kind one chooses for oneself," he's making a political point, namely, that it is possible to commit in a serious way to this sort of calling without falling into Nazism or Fascism. In a way, he's trying to reclaim serious alpinism for those who had opposed the Aryanisation of the Alps. That's why the punchline is so grim: In the end, of course, Carlo turns out to be a fictional character, plagiarized from a popular romance about sailors.

klk and Largo, excuse me for partially disagreeing with things you wrote back in 2007, but I have to quibble with readings of two parts of the text. The narrator of the story within the story says of Carlo, "He died in a way that suited him—not in the mountains, but the way one dies in the mountains. Doing what he had to do..." Carlo did not die in the mountains.

And at the very end when the framing narrator says "I later found almost those exact words in a book that is now dear to me, by the same sailor ..." he is clearly referring to the benediction "may the earth in which he rests, not far from here, lie light on his bones," not to the entire story of Carlo. I don't believe he implies Carlo was fictional in the story within the story.

I read this story when it first came out and it impressed me strongly, both with the compact depiction of mountain habits - familiar to many on Supertopo, but not to Levi's readers; and with the allusions to hardship and trials yet accompanied by freedom, that fall into the category of bear meat. I am fairly sure that Levi's implication is that Carlo died with the Italian partisans in the war.

I had already read Levi's The Periodic Table many years before and this story struck me as a similarly sidelong reference to history and Levi's autobiography. As I recall the characters in the stories of the Periodic Table are often rendered glancingly or in ellipses as in this story.
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Dec 27, 2014 - 06:59pm PT
I agree that it appears Carlo died, not in the mountains, but in the way one dies in the mountains: exposure, untended injury, falling but perhaps from the impact of a bullet. To me it seems he fell in the line of duty, but not duty to state or political party, rather duty to friends and family. I think his death had little to do with separating political influence from alpinism.

But I could be wrong!


;>)
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