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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 23, 2018 - 09:57pm PT
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I bet most of the paranoid assault gun owners that fantasize about a big shoot out with the US government are painty waists to begin with and dont have the stomach to die defending their 2nd amendment rights...Pussy's...!!!
You need to turn the teevee off and head to a few real ranges and learn a thing or two. You've been spoonfed so much nonsense propaganda that reality escapes you. Everytime you see the "us" and "them" dichotomy you're being lied to.
All this is simply another wedge issue anyway, I get that. The govt doesn't give a rat's ass what small arms anyone owns. They're into far bigger murder schemes and gun running operations.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 23, 2018 - 10:16pm PT
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Not the same, DMT. They may have the same core but few would say they are exactly the same gun as your meme boy claims. Primarily not the same stock, or grip.
And none is an assault rifle in the technical meaning of having select fire. But the term Assault Weapon can apply to semi-automatic rifles with various combinations of folding or extendable stock, detachable magazine, pistol grip, flash suppressor, barrel shroud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
Stupid meme, DMT. How very partisan of you.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 23, 2018 - 10:22pm PT
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fear...I prefer the fake ranges over the real ones...I like my reality where i feel safe not owning a machine gun...
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 24, 2018 - 09:26am PT
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Funny how the mass shooters prefer certain 'furniture'. You shouldn't mind losing them if they are so meaningless.
Name calling is also a partisan trait, DMT. Well done.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 24, 2018 - 09:35am PT
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You should let that partisan thing go, DMT. Thou doth protest too much.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Feb 24, 2018 - 09:37am PT
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I don't know this Norton guy but he comes across like an angry , whacked out libtard....? rj
all true, but most importantly does he climb?
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Feb 24, 2018 - 09:42am PT
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If you want to get guns off the street do not go and demand them. Just offer 500 to 1000 dollars a gun. They will flood in.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Feb 24, 2018 - 09:51am PT
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*Four sheriff’s deputies hid during Florida school shooting
*Armed school "guard" did not enter and engage shooter"
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Well, that kind of weakens the Good Guy with a Gun takes care of Bad Guy with Gun theme
Everyone willing to have their taxes raised to arm and train teachers?
Maybe double their salaries to compensate them risking their own lives?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 24, 2018 - 10:41am PT
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If you want to get guns off the street do not go and demand them. Just offer 500 to 1000 dollars a gun. They will flood in.
Uh, not from the gangstas. Whenever they have gun buy backs the only ones that show up
are POS bolt actions. They always make a big show of the few modern guns they get but
it is pitiful percentage.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 24, 2018 - 05:46pm PT
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. Well, that kind of weakens the Good Guy with a Gun takes care of Bad Guy with Gun theme
What makes those cowards "good guys"?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Feb 24, 2018 - 06:22pm PT
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What makes those cowards "good guys"?
good question Toker, because before they were cowards the NRA considered those multiple armed officers to be the good guys. you know, the ones who were to counted on to stop the bad guys - oops, try thinking it through better, NRA
Nikolas Cruz used his AR15 to slaughter high school kids this week, the weapon of choice
nice to hear you had fun shooting your toys today, Toker, especially the AR15, good times!
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Feb 24, 2018 - 10:04pm PT
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Guns seem a little like trucks. They have their use, but there are a lot of guys with big trucks who drive them because of the way it makes them feel.
My wife: if a kid is hitting other kids with a stick, you take the stick away. You don't give the teachers a bigger stick.
Re 2nd amendment: the British aren't coming. If you must,everybody gets a musket
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RURP_Belay
Big Wall climber
Bitter end of a bad anchor
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Feb 24, 2018 - 10:21pm PT
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BTW was out shooting a full auto-erotic today. Too much fun.
Fixed it for you.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Feb 24, 2018 - 11:23pm PT
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Lanza then entered a first-grade classroom where Lauren Rousseau, a substitute teacher, had herded her first grade students to the back of the room, and was trying to hide them in a bathroom, when Lanza forced his way into the classroom. Rousseau, Rachel D'Avino (a behavioral therapist who had been employed for a week at the school to work with a special needs student), and fifteen students in Rousseau's class were all killed. Fourteen of the children were dead at the scene; one injured child was taken to a hospital for treatment, but was later declared dead. Most of the teachers and students were found crowded together in the bathroom. A six-year-old girl, the sole survivor, was found by police in the classroom following the shooting. The surviving girl was hidden in one of the corners of the classroom's bathroom during the shooting. The girl's family pastor said that she survived the mass shooting by remaining still, and playing dead. When she reached her mother, she said, "Mommy, I'm okay, but all my friends are dead." The child described the shooter as "a very angry man." A girl hiding in a bathroom with two teachers told police that she heard a boy in the classroom screaming, "Help me! I don't want to be here!" to which Lanza responded, "Well, you're here," followed by more hammering sounds.
From the Sandy Hook wikipedia entry from 2012. A bathroom of 15 crowded 6 year olds gunned down at point blank range. That's what's at stake...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 25, 2018 - 11:27am PT
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My wife: if a kid is hitting other kids with a stick, you take the stick away. You don't give the teachers a bigger stick.
Who is the "you" in this little bit of wisdom?
If the "you" is the teacher (which seems to be implied), then "you'd better have a stick yourself when 'the kid' is a nut-job who's just as happy to hit you with the stick than the kids."
If the "you" is some outside entity, such as a cop, well, in that event, the fact that the cop is swinging his own stick is expressly implied.
Your wife's is the sort of homily that sounds intuitively impressive... right up until the moment when you start trying to figure out what it's really saying.
When some nut-job turns a school into a war zone, all your "stick free zone" signs plastered wall-to-wall aren't going to make a rat's left testicle's worth of difference.
Then, one and ONLY one thing makes a difference: a good guy with "a stick." And if the cops on site didn't have the fortitude to pull out their own sticks and start swinging, then they were NOT the good guys, regardless of what their badges said.
What gun-control advocates fail to realize in these situations is the obvious fact that random evil pokes up its head now and then. No laws are going to stop that from happening or even reduce its incidence. Period. And in those (actually incredibly rare, statistically speaking) events, human beings have the inalienable right to act as their own first responders.
Either that, or as a society, we need to put real teeth into the claim that schools are gun-free zones! But gun-control advocates on this thread don't appear willing to actually do that.
What simply amazes me about the discussion of the last few days here is that there IS the obvious actual solution, and it is to literally SECURE the schools with metal detectors and an armed, trained, guard presence (guards that are ALREADY INSIDE and that actually WILL do something, as most people with badges would). Yet gun-control advocates prefer "solutions" that are NOT and that only obliquely, if at all, address the scenarios that motivate their arguments.
Somehow, you don't have the SLIGHTEST problem with protecting football stadiums, court houses, even city council offices, and countless other such places this way! Nobody moans and snivels that a football stadium or an airliner "shouldn't be like a war zone."
I guess that, for all your hand-wringing, our school kids don't merit the same sorts of protections as football fans, protections that have thus far proved to be more effective than any other approaches.
Look, as long as you plaster gun-free zone signs over an area and believe that that alone is all the "security" that's needed, what you're really doing is place giant neon signs over that area pointing out to nut-jobs: "Soft targets here!" And all your gun-control measures aren't going to change that fact, because you are NEVER going to get confiscation or even "reduction" to work in the USA. Meanwhile, let's talk about genuine solutions, and those start with actually PROTECTING school kids at at least the level you are happy to protect football fans and airliner passengers.
It's been done very effectively for decades in countless inner-city schools.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 25, 2018 - 11:31am PT
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Krugman ends his piece on a distinctly philosophical note:
"In short, you might want to think of our madness over guns as just one aspect of the drive to turn us into what Thomas Hobbes described long ago: a society 'wherein men live without other security than what their own strength and their own invention shall furnish them.' And Hobbes famously told us what life in such a society is like: 'solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.'"
If you're going to quote Krugman to quote Hobbes, you should at least know enough political philosophy to know what you're talking about. The above quote is one of the most misquoted/misunderstood bits of political philosophy that gets floated around to make whatever point is desired at the time.
We're not on a slippery slope toward a Hobbesean society; we're not even near the same mountain range as that slope!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 25, 2018 - 11:53am PT
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I'm with MB1...Razor wire fencing , AR-15 sniffing german shepards , full time campus swat teams all to make our schools safe again....No child left behind....
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Feb 25, 2018 - 12:05pm PT
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Mad,
Kids in countries without school shootings are safe because teachers and officers on campus are armed. That is the only thing keeping them safe?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 25, 2018 - 12:15pm PT
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Uh, no, it’s the unicorns. MB is merely trying to suggest using a unemotional objective
cost/benefit analysis process. I know that isn’t as much fun as making smarmy retorts
but it can actually produce results, at least until the day the unicorns take over.
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John M
climber
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Feb 25, 2018 - 12:23pm PT
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MB is merely trying to suggest using a unemotional objective
cost/benefit analysis process. I know that isn’t as much fun as making smarmy retorts
but it can actually produce results, at least until the day the unicorns take over.
no.. he is not merely suggesting using an unemotional objective. He is also being derogatory and superior.
Nobody moans and snivels
His words..
Edit:
Does he make a good point about us using fences to secure other places? Perhaps. I would have to examine that a bit more, but that is my point, sometimes his points , good or bad, get lost in his tone. .
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