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PaulaAnn
Trad climber
Lake Tahoe, NV
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 21, 2018 - 10:45am PT
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Taking offers on this collection of very old gear.
All this gear is very old and should not be used. Use at your own risk.
1. 2x Chouinard piton hammers circa 60s or 70s. 2x older antique European origin piton hammers.
2. Assorted hand forged antique pitons.
3. Assorted pitons, age unknown.
4. RURPS, Crackem Ups, bolt hangers, Bird Beaks.
5. Full rack of rare Dave Rearick wooden chocks circa 1975.
6. CLOG chocks.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jan 21, 2018 - 10:51am PT
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I'd buy the chocks, carabiners and pitons, but will leave it to someone across the pond. Let me know if no one buys...
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jan 21, 2018 - 10:52am PT
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How much for the Rearick chocks?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 21, 2018 - 10:54am PT
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If you are willing to sell these item individually then I would buy the biggest Rearick chock for $100.
The leftmost carbiner at the top, the vertical piton between the RURP and Crack N Ups and the spoonbill piton bottom center are also something that I would like if I can get a little more information.If the other two carabiners at the top say ALCOA but not CHOUINARD anywhere I would like to offer you $100 for the nicest one.
Are the pitons in the second row stamped Holubar? The third and fourth piton from the right in that row would interest me if Holubar.
Thanks for offering this gear here.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jan 21, 2018 - 11:01am PT
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That is the stuff in many dreams of those who gnow.
There are a few other collectors here, who will like your collection.
I do, and I cant even offer, by the buy , or make more than this nut gallery comment. Steve has been a gentleman collector from what Ive seen,
and his ask is so far from what a greedy gear hound would say, I hope he gets a few wooden chocks.
That said you would do your self a favor to look at the "old Mystery Gear thread to realize maximum cash for your cache.
Ho yeah, I bet he would,
thats friitz for you
getting the bidding started, a good one, too.
Id say it is very close but there are at least 4 others who post here on the regular, who have the 'cake' (cheddar, samoliens, Coin)
and knowledge.
let them chime in before you let go of anything,
I think a Thousand dollars is to high,
but if they pay the shipping,
buy it all,
it could bring that much , in a bidding war
Gnow Ive pissed off a gun tottin' idahoian, yikes! Sorry Fritz but you have to admit theres a gem or 4 there!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 21, 2018 - 11:06am PT
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I'll take everything in the piton & carabiner photo for $200.00 paid with Paypal.
email me at raybrooksrep
at gmail
.com
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Ledge Rat
Trad climber
Michigan
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Jan 21, 2018 - 12:17pm PT
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I’m interested in the (2) Crack-n-ups, the sky hook, one of the Chouinard hammers and the Clog chocks. $175?
Jeff
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ClimbingOn
Trad climber
NY
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Jan 21, 2018 - 12:47pm PT
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My advice is to not jump at any offers immediately. You have some high dollar, very desirable gear there. I see a Longware piton, Alcoa carabiners...do some research and see what this is worth. A few have offered reasonable prices for sure, but you will do yourself a disservice if you accept an offer for a large batch of it without knowing what it is worth.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 21, 2018 - 01:17pm PT
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PaulaAnn- I just sent you an email through the Supertopo member email system.
It doesn't always work very well so please let me know if you got it.
Cheers
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PaulaAnn
Trad climber
Lake Tahoe, NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2018 - 04:52pm PT
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Hello all. Thank you for your interest in my old gear. I will get back to you on prices as I gather some information. Give me a few days.
Hi Steve. I did not get your email.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Jan 21, 2018 - 05:09pm PT
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Why was someone making wooden chocks in 1975? Or ever??
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Jan 21, 2018 - 05:37pm PT
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Wow...neat old stuff!
Those Chouinard hammers are pretty vintage. And, look minty pristine.
I didn't seen any hangers...are more pic's coming?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 21, 2018 - 05:42pm PT
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Pretty sure her time line is a bit off. More like late 1960s.
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Oldfattradguy2
Trad climber
Here and there
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Jan 21, 2018 - 06:09pm PT
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Contact Rich Romano in the gunks for the clog (aka wob) nuts, he probably still uses them
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Jan 22, 2018 - 12:19pm PT
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I'd like some wooden chocks, Chouinard hammer and the triangle shaped carabiner...let me know..
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Jan 22, 2018 - 01:44pm PT
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Were the wooden chocks for one of those Eastern European areas that forbids metal protection??
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Jan 22, 2018 - 03:06pm PT
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Reread first post..seller wants offers..here's my offer:
Let me know what you (reasonably) want.
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Woody the Beaver
Trad climber
Soldier, Idaho
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Jan 22, 2018 - 03:50pm PT
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Wooden nuts! I remember reading about a thousand years ago that Dave Rearick crafted chocks out of the notable native hardwood Osage Orange. You might want to check this out yourself, but I believe that Osage Orange has some kind of occult following among builders of fine art guitars as especially hard and dense, for especially resonant back-and-side sets and maybe necks, I guess. Anyway, I heard much of Rearick, but never met him. He must have been a lovely guy. Let's hear it for wooden nuts!
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PaulaAnn
Trad climber
Lake Tahoe, NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2018 - 08:38am PT
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The wooden nuts are made by Dave Rearick. Most were osage orange but he did experiment with some other woods as well. Mine are also some oak, mahogany, and I cannot remember what else. I called Dave to ask and he said he couldn't remember exactly what woods he used for mine. At one time he planted a whole row of osage orange trees on his Boulder property. He had a stroke 3 years ago and sold his house. Someone tore everything down (trees included) and built a mini mansion. The "plugs" as he called them do have a bit of a cult following. I actually used mine. Wood is pretty sticky and in the right shaped placement I think just fine. But then again I started climbing in piton days and we actually started threading regular bolts with rope in the early days of nut experimentation. I also did a climb with John Gill and Pat and when I froze in one section, John pulled out clothesline ( yes clothesline) to belay me. We were "bouldering" about 100feet off the ground. I remember he reassured me he had just bought it at Kmart or something. Gear has really transformed climbing.
I was hoping for offers but I'll need some time to figure out fair prices.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Jan 24, 2018 - 09:49am PT
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My opinion:
The problem I have with 'post your offers' is it's easy to add another dollar(s) to someone else's bid.
OP - please post your sale prices and let the first in line determine if they want to pay it...
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Jan 24, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
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Seems like Marty's offer is pretty generous.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 24, 2018 - 03:52pm PT
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PaulaAnn: I want to mention when you look at climbing gear listings on EBay, especially if you do more selective searches like Chouinard, there are folks listing gear, who way over-estimate its value. I prefer to search the Sold category, which shows what folks are actually paying for that gear. Here’s a link to Chouinard Sold listings for the last 90 days.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/Outdoor-Sports/159043/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=chouinard&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
Second, there are sellers that do a very-good job of photographing & describing old gear & those who don’t.
Third, there are those who start their gear auctions at what most serious collectors would think is a reasonable price, and those who don’t.
And then there are the EBay gear sellers who have a following of folks who trust them. The number of knowledgeable old climbing gear collectors, who have any money, is surprisingly tiny. You are seeing many of them on this thread.
So -----there have been some great offers made here by folks I know, trust, & like, Steve Grossman & Marty at the Karabine Museum, & others like Roots, who I also know, trust, & like, want you to quote prices.
If you are willing to sell this collection on EBay, you will do way-better if you break it down into batches of 5 or less pieces per auction, use the most reasonable possible shipping method, & follow my other suggestions above.
Final offer from me on the photo of pitons & carabiners. Per the circled items in the below photo, take the wonderful offers from my friends on those items. The spoonbill piton at bottom center has offers from both Steve Grossman & Marty at the Karabine Museum. Steve is also interested in one of the shiny carabiners at top, if it says Alcoa on it.
I'll take the other shiny carabiner & everything else in that photo that is not circled, for $200.00. Please email me for free advice. In my link to sold Chouinard listings, the first two pitons were sold by me, so I do know what I am doing.
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ClimbingOn
Trad climber
NY
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Jan 24, 2018 - 05:08pm PT
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I think another problem you're running into, as far as getting offers, is folks don't like posting offers publicly and the Supertopo PM feature does not work. If you post your e-mail address, I'd send an offer on some of the pitons and perhaps other gear.
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Gregory Brown
Trad climber
NV
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Jan 25, 2018 - 08:20am PT
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This post is from PaulaAnn:
First let me say thank you to all the people here with extremely helpful posts. And I apologize for not responding in a timely manner. I made a mistake in changing my account email and have lost my login access via my original account. Thus I am posting this reply from a different account until I can recover mine.
Here is my email address - gb4pcmd@icloud.com . Please email me directly. I think that some offers are fair and reasonable and I would like to move forward with those. I now realize that I need to have a solid idea of what are reasonable starting offers for selling this gear. Thank you all for your positive contributions and helpful posts.
PaulaAnn
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Jan 25, 2018 - 08:43am PT
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PaulaAnn - email sent : )
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 25, 2018 - 09:16am PT
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Message also sent.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Jan 26, 2018 - 08:54am PT
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This seems to be a good place to share a little story:
After buying the fund raiser Diamond Piton a while back, Bonnie suggested I call Dave to talk about his and Bob’s famous climb. During the conversation, I asked him about these mysterious wooden chocks. He couldn’t recall much as he had a stroke and was consequently “locked up” in a home.
How I even heard of them was about a year prior to that, a European collector asked me if Orange Wood was available in the US. If it was, he wanted me to ship him some so he and a friend could make reproductions of these wooden gems.
Honestly, I hadn’t heard of Orange Wood either (let alone the chocks). But a quick internet search led me to Ebay where it was being sold in brick like pieces to people that make ink pens for writing. Orange Osage is the proper name. I bought 7 lbs of it. The wood was a beautiful color and dipped in wax to help preserve it. Very pretty and surprisingly very dense.
The Orange Osage was shipped across the Atlantic, but I still have not received any reproduced samples. This ST offering has reminded me that I need to follow up. However, I can’t help wondering how they would know the dimensions if 'no one' has them in their collections...
If you can, after whomever is able to acquire the chocks; please send me the dimensions and the type of wood(s) yours is made from and I will pass the information along to the wood shop elves in Europe. Not the best way to go about preserving our climbing history but at least we can have a few reproductions to supplement the limited quantity of originals.
I’m always around; rockcairn [at] hot mail [dot] com
Thank you!
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Jan 29, 2018 - 10:41am PT
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An ST collector was kind enough to measure their set:
I quickly measured the set of Rearick plugs. Measurements are in millimeters. Wood type is an educated guess for 3 smaller ones. It is possible one plug is missing between the dark colored and the next one. Notice that the measurement of diameter2 is roughly equal the diameter1 of the next smaller size.
Diameter1 Diameter2 Length Wood
72 64 95 Osage Orange
63 56 83 Osage Orange
54 47 77 Osage Orange
47 41 70 ?? Dark maybe Mahogany
36 32 53 ?? Oak
32 27 48 ?? Oak
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PaulaAnn
Trad climber
NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2018 - 07:07pm PT
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Thanks to everyone who bought gear. I had a great time hearing from so many interesting people. The sale is now closed with the bulk of the gear sold.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Jan 31, 2018 - 04:52am PT
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Thanks PaulaAnn for the fun! Adding more pitons to the Karabin Museum.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jan 31, 2018 - 11:07am PT
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I guess no kiss and tell? oh well. Still, can some one please flesh this out a bit; What is the vintage? where do they hail from? I'm curious about the 'not rup s'the one that Fritz has in red and the three at the bottom, small pegs? the ones with the round 'eye's'? is the square one a - "dolt jack?" inquiring minds, & all.
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Michael Forney
Trad climber
55114
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Jan 31, 2018 - 02:47pm PT
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The Wooden Chocks were made by Dave Rearick of Osage Orange wood. A climbing partner named Rob Ryan had a bunch of these that we used in the Gunks in the mid 1970's. They were beautiful and to my surprise were quite secure.
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TomMc
Trad climber
Massachusetts
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Jan 31, 2018 - 02:50pm PT
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Wow! People pay good money for this old gear? I'm going up to the attic and digging out all my 1960's-1970's racks and ice gear to see what I've got. Time to move stuff on before I move on myself.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Jan 31, 2018 - 07:23pm PT
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One mans trash is another mans treasure! Yes all of the items in this lot are great collectables. Even the Chouinard pitons are 1960s vintage. Great stuff! I bid high on the three circled Holubar pitons because they are not so easy to find. Two years ago on ebay the pointed Holubar piton in the group of three alone went for over 200.00. These three pitons now puts me at 32 different Holubar pitons.
The spoon blade piton is unmarked but is probably a CCB, but there are also a few LONGware items in the lot. Regardless, I wanted the spoon because it looks like a Friday piton. Where the worker at the shop at quitting time didn't trim the piton and just threw it in the finished pile. It looks mushed and I love it!
I also got the LONGware(?) tiny piton. Don Lauria years ago told me that Dolt designed his company logo from the shape of this LONGware tiny piton. So this piton and the large LONGware bong in the lot date 1957-1963 era.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 31, 2018 - 07:28pm PT
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Marty! Thanks for sharing your wins. It was a tough bidding crowd, but I'm glad most of them are friends.
And PaulaAnn put up with it all, with good humor, or at least she was nice to me.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jan 31, 2018 - 07:53pm PT
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thank you! Congratulations on the score, did "Roots" get some booty too?
it was a few years ago, a poster named Gunks Jessie?(I think) had seemingly found access to a cache of gear in the Gunks. Did any of you get in on that? was it the T Shuer, horde or from a barn that was once only approachable through the front yard of Thoms house? The next point is that I would be willing to inquire after the trinkets of my youth, but i have no intention or ability to buy any thing that might still reside in the barn.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Gnome - thanks for asking. I was able to acquire the Swiss hammer. Which I am pleased about as it appears to have been Jene's personal hammer...Paula is going to find out more of its history soon.
Also, I hear some of the wooden chocks will make their way to my collection in a short while.
Cool collection and thankful it was made available to us.
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Ledge Rat
Trad climber
Michigan
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Received my items yesterday. I wasn’t expecting them to be so minty fresh, thanks again Paula!
Jeff
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Todays postage box at my front door was from Paula! Yeah! First of all thanks Paula for sharing your climbing artifacts with the collectors. Your items found great homes! Thanks also for the extras you threw in for the museum!
Looking closer at a few of the items………The three Holubar horizontal pitons are totally awesome! I am so psyched to have the set! The bonus is the piton in the photo on the right has a round eye while the other two have oval eyes. Until now I have only seen these pitons with oval eyes. Circa early 1960s? (1950s?). Within the pitons were a few LONGware pitons. Looking closer at the spoon piton it is unmarked but looks closest to a LONGware circa 1957-1963.
I assumed the piton with the midway twisted blade was either a Simond or a Charlet Moser, but it turns out to be a Alf Bhend Grindelwald, made in Switzerland. I have not seen this piton until now. I love the super large piton eye that a quarter easily passes through. A little mangled but nice to have. Circa 1950s/1960s.
I contacted Paula a second time and was surprised that she still had a few items left. So I shopped again which was good because I overlooked the two first generation Leeper hangers in the pile of hangers. Leeper began making his hangers with small carabiner hole and square bottom cut Circa 1962. Leeper added the extra bottom cut in 1964 so the hangers now had small carabiner hole and angle bottom cut. What is unique about these two Leeper hangers in Paulas collection is that there is a extra cut on the top of the hanger. The long angle vertical cut was not created yet. Paulas two Leeper hangers predate the 1962 Leeper hanger that Ed Leeper donated to the museum. This Leeper hanger is also shown in the 1965 Eiger catalog.
The tiny piton I originally assumed it was 1957 LONGware because in Paulas photo it looks dark. But now having the piton at home, the piton is totally polished shiny super stainless steel(?) and looks exactly the same as Dolt Bits and Jacks. My guess is that this is a Dolt product. Another Dolt prototype amongst the many many others Dolt created, circa 1967/68.
The newest items in Paulas lot is the Chouinard Crack N’ Ups 1975. The oldest item may be this Fritsch and Cie piton circa late 1940s/1950s.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Good score Marty! And thank you for the invaluable information.
FYI - I've had some luck pounding those soft pitons back to straight-ish.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Very cool. I think that's the first Bhend piton I have seen.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Wasn't Alf Bend Grindiwald a Mike Myers character?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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I'm channeling Alf Bend, Grindiwald, who replies in a thick Swiss-German accent:
Dees pitons of mine, they are only going to bend, if you hit them too hard.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Unt vu dere, stay away from mein sheep!!!
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I am interested in these three pitons....$200
Let us know!