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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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That and cutting tweakers in on the Amazon sh#t sandwich...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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As a company, we have donated more than $80 million to these groups.
Putting their mouthpieces where their money has already gone, seems to me.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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David vs. Goliath . . . It's gotta start somewhere. Puffy vs. nukey . . . this sh#t is kooky.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Brains versus Bronzer
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dirtbag
climber
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More and bigger National Parks mean more $300 puffy jacket sales... follow the $$$. Yvon knows what he is doing.
Good point. He’s going to sell sooooo many more down jackets if bears ears and Grand Staircase escalante remain National monuments.
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c wilmot
climber
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I like patagonias new ad campaign. It reminds potential consumers of the environmental costs attributed to his company's products. Yvon has led the way in producing synthetic oil based clothing that has made him a billionaire. And also led to some serious environmental damage.
It's good to see him chiding the president for his unethical assault against nature. Certainly HE would never do such things in persuit of his riches...
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Our Mission:
Build the best product,
cause no unnecessary harm,
use business to inspire and
implement solutions to the
environmental crisis.
What's YOUR Mission Statement Wilnot?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Let’s see....Trump is a lot bigger but YC is in better shape and has excellent coordination. So my take is that YC circles the ring avoiding Trump’s desperate roundhouse lunges until Yvon finishes off the exhausted narcissist with some deft straight punches.
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Fu-----ck Trump!
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Spanky
Social climber
boulder co
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Chouinard has done more than almost anyone in the outdoor industry to protect and preserve public lands both at home and abroad. I have the utmost respect for both his climbing and his ethics towards the environment.
Thanks Yvon!
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Go, Yvon! What can we do to help?
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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If everyone that hates on Chouinard for at least stepping up to protect the lands the haters use, they should harbor a cause and try to lead the way, put as much money into it and try to save the lands as Chouinard tries to do. I guess none of the dissers own one piece of Patagonia? I commend him for at least standing up for what he believes in. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to say you love our public lands and national parks and then critcize one for trying to protect them?
Peace
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Have bought Patagonia since the 70's, mostly good stuff(the products I've bought) and they back it up if yer not satisfied. I have no problem with a person or company making tons of money through hard work and solid products...isn't that you get in business ownership for? Hope Yvon, other companies and orgs continue to stand up for their beliefs. I'd buy Patagonia before I'd buy Trump products.
Peace
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nah000
climber
now/here
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DMT: +1
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Questions for Jody: Do you love our public lands and national parks less than you like Trump (no one could possibly LOVE him)????
Do you think Trump is God? What the hell is it with you, dude?
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Let’s see....Trump is a lot bigger but YC is in better shape and has excellent coordination. So my take is that YC circles the ring avoiding Trump’s desperate roundhouse lunges until Yvon finishes off the exhausted narcissist with some deft straight punches.
If YC can somehow get ahold of that Trump hairpiece it is game over, hope he has the hops.
Go Yvon!!
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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I'd put my money on the guy with the gay french name to fistfully reconstruct the American Lardo's sneering mug.
Oh wait, yeah, no, I mean in a cultural fight, sure, the demagogue of d#@&%ey fearmongering will totally win. I agree with Jody.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mouse you have to remember that Jody is an accomplished photographer. I think that he believes that oil rigs and atv and dirt bike tracks will add photographic interest to otherwise bland natural beauty.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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tbc, you're holding back. You can't fool me. :0)
Jim, you're on to something there. Don't let go!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Take M to thunderdome! Two humanoids enter, one man leaves!
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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I'll be Yvon is worth a lot more than drump is too!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jody, thanks for the replies.
It doesn't seem to me that anyone is predicting a catastrophe here.
It is more that WE FOLKS are trying to prevent the possibility of such, by and large.
It is a wilderness area, after all. Any compartmentalization in order to get to resources is out the window because ROADS will encroach on the parts not dedicated to the extraction of resources. And POWER LINES. And SETTLEMENTS, however sketchy and impermanent. These don't belong in wilderness.
And then, too, there are the obvious PITS, TAILINGS, and CHEMICAL SEEPS that are the usual legacy of the extraction and which aren't fixable once created.
So the course of action seems obvious...PROTECTION OF THE ENTIRE AREA.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Fine with me. The chances of my going to Indian Canyon or anywhere else in BE are less than one percent but that doesn't mean I don't support WE FOLKS in this fight.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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The rural folks in SE Utah are, for the most part, good ole boys with next to zero environmental ethic. They would just love to be able to ATV over fragile desert environment without any restrictions.
When it comes to those areas in question best practices needs to be replaced by best enforcement.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Trump gets sued so often that he doesn't even know who is suing him and what he is being sued for. He pays people to deal with that stuff. It seems to me that the one business relationship he doesn't crap all over are the ones with his lawyers.
But at least the lawyers have to deal with the suit, and hopefully that will result in delays of the greedy mining ops jumping in before the "presidential" ink on the signature was dry.
Today I drove through northwest Texas, from Lubbock west toward Roswell, NM. Wherever there were active gas wells, there was a whiff of farts. Beautiful wide open grasslands and scrub. And fart smell.
What the f is wrong with people - we don't need no stinking fartsmell in our national monuments. They aren't monuments to industry, for fux sake.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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what's the inside of your nose smell like, Jody?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nothing funnier than fart jokes and conversation.
Typical third grader's response, Just like that other third grader. You know, the one in the WH.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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you know who's knott praying for who?
A staff member from Trump’s campaign recalls him mocking Pence’s religiosity. He said that, when people met with Trump after stopping by Pence’s office, Trump would ask them, “Did Mike make you pray?”
good vibes your way too Jody, you as#@&%e. :-)
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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I propose that they settle it with a triathlon: sh#t talking on video, climbing Nutcracker, and raving on twitter. I bet that Yvon can win it if he trains a bit.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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That surf picture above...my guess....Kuta Beach, Bali.
I went in the water there the first time I was in Bali years ago and after about 30 seconds of all that sh#t floating around my legs, I bailed and have never gone back (to Kuta). F*#king disgusting. And sad.
Go Yvon!
And yeah f*#k Trump.
c wilmont, I think you just like to poke sticks into bee hives...:-)
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c wilmot
climber
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Go yvon!
Keep making bank selling oil based goods while hypocritically railing against the oil industry. Clearly his delusional customer base does not understand what his products are made of and the negative effects they have on the environment... including the plastification of the ocean(every time you wash a synthetic garment it's polluting plastic into the environment)- the whole point of the surf pic. Amazingly even that was lost on most ^^
Perhaps yvon can join bono on his next world tour to preach to the masses about the dangers of consumerism and waste
billionaires for the little guy...
He doesn't want to sell you that $900 jacket...but some one has to...
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c wilmot
climber
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Oil companies have green initiatives too-does that negate their extraction of fossil fuels?
Perhaps think of Patagonia as an oil company- who happens to sell garments
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Wilmot, how 'bout posting a climbing tr, brah?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Part of my job is to give a substantial chunk of YC's $ to Grass Roots Environmental ORGs. If anyone is genuinely interested in factual info hit me up...Or just continue regressive, contrarian speculation. Your call.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Yvon will never add 228,000 jobs to the economy in one month.
nor will he take away the 'entitlements' you've been compelled to pay all your working life.
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Barbarian
climber
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Chouinard has a history of creating actual products and value. Trump is and has always been a hack. I go with Yvon.
BTW - for all the cracks about $300 down jackets. Sure, Patagonia products are expensive. I have purchased only 2 Patagonia clothing items in my life - both in 1980. Both of those clothing items are still in regular service. The way I see it, those products are among the least expensive I have purchased based on an annualized basis.
Chouinard makes good products, charges a fair price for the goods, and donates a significant amount to good causes. I have no issues with his business model.
I may go out and buy something from Patagonia this weekend. I can show my support and have something to hand down to my kid when I die in 30 years.
I'd rather support a blacksmith than an orange fraud.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Trump gets sued so often that he doesn't even know who is suing him and what he is being sued for. He pays people to deal with that stuff. It seems to me that the one business relationship he doesn't crap all over are the ones with his lawyers.
Happie, you are wrong.
He has stiffed his lawyers in the past, which is why 1st-tier legal firms will not work for him. I heard one quoted as saying " why would we work for him? He won't listen to us, and we won't get paid"
:)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Yvon will never add 228,000 jobs to the economy in one month.
Nor will Donald.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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YC deserves whatever he has. He clearly has done what he could to promote and preserve the environment.
I happened to attend a Patagonia film festival a few months ago, and it is remarkable the things that they've gotten into (including making the films)
I'm astonished that he could be criticized for creating a secondary market for trashed plastic bottles, supporting the recycling of them by creating a value. That still amazes me.
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Don Lauria
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Chouinard yea! Trump nay!
I've watched YC grow from a backyard self-taught blacksmith to a highly successful purveyor of quality recreational sportswear. Because I've known Yvon, as TM Herbert would say, "Since he was a tiny little baby", I can say, yes, he's a businessman - a businessman with a sincere and active disposition toward preserving the environmental well-being of the planet.
Yvon's got my vote - Trump didn't and never will.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Protecting the environment isn't an either/or proposition. It's a spectrum. This goes back over 100 years to the ideas of conservation (take good care of it) vs. preservation (you can't even visit it).
Environmentalists (which is: one concerned about environmental quality especially of the human environment with respect to the control of pollution, note: they are NOT left wing Earth First radicals as the right wing media has led many people to believe) care about the environment and want to protect it.
If you want to see what it's like when people in government prioritize business too much over the environment go to parts of China. Air pollution so bad you need to wear a mask. Polluted drinking water, etc.
It's amazing to me that climbers and other people who see the beauty and value of the environment have so little regard for protecting it for themselves and future generations.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Yvon will never add 228,000 jobs to the economy in one month.
but Obama did
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Everybody hates a winner.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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holding obvious ill-feelings toward the consumers who choose to purchase Patagonia products
I'm not sure where this observation comes from DMT? I've not seen that, myself. Could you give an example or a URL? Not trolling you.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oh! I thought you were posting about YC's attitude towards his customers, which made no sense to me. Now I get it.
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c wilmot
climber
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Dmt you are confused. It's sarcastic criticism- not "I'll feelings toward the consumers"
The only "ill feelings" I have towards Patagonia consumers is that they mistakingly think that buying Patagonia goods somehow helps the environment.
They are also clearly delusional as well in the sense that most flat out refuse to accept the fact that Patagonia is selling fossil fuels in the form of garments.
Making good products, being a nice guy, and giving back does not negate the environmental costs associated with running the Patagonia corporation..,
It is what it is.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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wilmot...isn't the clothing from re-cycled plastic.. ?
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c wilmot
climber
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It's not "recycled" if it winds up in the ocean and waterways as a result of micro particles being lost during washing. It's being found to be a massive problem.
And I seriously doubt Patagonia and the rest of the companies manufacturing these products had no idea of this form of pollution
It's taking a problem and making a new form of a problem under the guise of environmentalism...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Patagonia first offered fleece made from recycled plastic soda bottles in 1993. Another thing to keep in mind is the durability of Patagonia clothing. If you replace a garment less often isn’t that a good thing for the environment?
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c wilmot
climber
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Patagonia is taking the problem of microfibers shedding from synthetic materials seriously—committing significant resources to learn more about the scope of the problem and develop an understanding of what steps we can take to help create impactful solutions.
I seriously doubt they need to "learn" about a problem directly related to the products they produce. The idea that no one in their company knew- when they develop these plastics- is absurd
I understand that's part of running a business- but they should drop the holier than thou attitude.
Can you really be part of the solution if you are also part of the problem?
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Wilmot, I buy Patagonia because the products I own last a damn long time, means I save money on rebuying and that in turn means less product production which in turn means less resources being used to make something I have to buy if it falls apart. I also buy Patagonia because of the fact they have always backed up their product. Any warranty or whinning I do, they make it right. They are loyal to me so I in turn am loyal to them. I am not exclusive to Patagonia, but the companies I do buy clothing from tend to all give back in some way to the earth which I hold dear to my heart. I for one don't buy based off one dimension.
Anyone ID this item? Got it in the late 70's, still wear it, no holes, seam issues...solid.
Peace
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Every patagonia product I've purchased (since 1981) I still have and use.
I might look a little silly at times but I don't do "selfies" anyway so wtf.
Good stuff and a business model that I challenge anyone to better.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Totally agree Deli!
Peace
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I have one of the first fleece vest they made(1979).
Wilmot, do you have a car?
Do you live on the grid?
Do you buy food?
Do you use paper products?
If you do, you are part of the problem.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Thanks for posting, Malemute! I've been waiting for the washing bag to become available, and just back ordered two.
Note they are being sold at cost.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 10, 2017 - 10:49am PT
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Like Ron, I have old Pata gear, that wears like iron.
And they're working to finding a way to eliminate plastic scraps
from their clothing so it doesn't shred off into the oceans.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Dec 10, 2017 - 02:06pm PT
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Go Yvon!
The 2nd post seems to have shriveled up and disappeared. Maybe small hands syndrome...
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Krease
Gym climber
the inferno
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Dec 10, 2017 - 05:08pm PT
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I've got Patagonia long underwear tops and bottoms from the early 80's, lol. they still keep me warm. the neck band is a little ripped, but still good to go
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 10, 2017 - 05:11pm PT
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Yep...and they don’t krease.
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