Al Franken...

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 421 - 440 of total 568 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 7, 2017 - 09:51pm PT
The Alabama pervert Roy Moore, who our Presidential pussy-grabber & the RNC now endorse on his Senate race, also longs for the "good old days" of slavery, when families were more united, per this report from Newsweek.

They support Moore, since Trump enjoys encouraging the racists, who are an important part of his voter base.

Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate under fire for alleged sexual misconduct with teenage girls when he was in his 30s, apparently believes America was a better place at a time when slavery was still legal.

At a campaign event earlier this year, an audience member asked Moore for his opinion on when the last time America was "great." Moore responded: "I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…Our families were strong, our country had a direction."

The individual who asked the question was among the few African-Americans in attendance at the rally, according to the Los Angeles Times. In stating this, Moore seemingly implied he'd be able to overlook the enslavement of other human beings as long as families are "united," an interesting perspective from a man accused of repeatedly preying on young girls.

http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-last-time-america-great-during-slavery-741845?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=yahoo_news&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news

Credit: Fritz
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 7, 2017 - 10:30pm PT
The GOP fell from the moral high ground when they backed tRump. Now they just don't care anymore. Ideology and greed are their God now.

Can't we all just "moveon?"
Credit: Lituya
dirtbag

climber
Dec 8, 2017 - 05:51am PT
You cannot state any crime that Trump has been found guilty of, but you want to start an impeachment that requires that, anyway.


To be clear, “high crimes and misdemeanors” was an 18th Century term that didn’t literally apply to solely criminal acts. Most scholars think it meant an abuse of the office or dereliction of duty. Certainly, there is a good evidence Trump has done that and more already. But I agree that it is premature to discuss impeachment. It would surely rip the country in half, so any impeachment movement needs to have an extremely compelling case. We’re not there yet.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 8, 2017 - 06:30am PT
The thing that makes me angry is that a large majority of people who vote Republican do NOT share the "values" and mindsets that are causing so much vitriol and angst, nor are the politicians are NOT representing their constituents.

Are these folks sending letters/making calls to their legislators to let them know they do NOT support the statements that they are making? I don't know, but if they are, how can they not see their voice seem to mean nothing?

You know......If we could develop an online system that WAS secure, and was not gameable, and ALL votes, on ALL bills, could be decided by the People directly - well, wouldn't that be something? There could still be reps and senators, to manage the "secretarial" work of getting the changes enacted, or to do research and present information.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Sacramento, CA
Dec 8, 2017 - 07:18am PT
DMT won’t like it, Happie.

Lol!

I wonder how hard it would be to buy out the entire American populace like they have our brave leaders? I bet it wouldn’t be that hard, this is a f*#king company town.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Dec 8, 2017 - 07:22am PT
That sort of democracy is not workable in large populations. Just look at how America lurches in wide swings from left to right to left, from election to election, driven by fear and other emotion, unable to discern fact from fiction.

Now you want all of us to decide international policy and trade law, rights and how to fund the government?

I know, the fantasy is that the Blue Coasts will finally have their way with middle America. Not going to happen. Mock 'those people' all you want. You can't shed them and you can't ignore them. They showed us and themselves when sufficiently riled, they can make the buggers eyes water.

DMT
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 8, 2017 - 07:42am PT
Research shows the country is largely populated with people who sit around and shout "Dilly Dilly" at each other.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bud-light-dilly-dilly-viral-commercial-super-bowl-campaign-2017-12

Let's let them run the place, with no way to hold any of them personally accountable.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 8, 2017 - 08:17am PT
Mock 'those people' all you want. You can't shed them and you can't ignore them.

I grew up in Wisconsin, in a family that I believed "was wealthy," because that's what my father told us. It wasn't until senior year in high school when my social studies teacher asked for a raise of hand by those of us who felt we were in the Middle Class. I don't know the percentage up, but it was definitely the majority, and I was firmly among them.

Teacher then went on to explain the reality; that most of us were in actuality "Upper Lower Class." He used facts and plain words, and I knew he was speaking the truth. Humbling, that. But not only humbling, a shaking of y brain - how could I have looked at what we had - shivering under thin blankets in a cold farmhouse despite "unlimited free propane" (my father's business). Hand me down clothes and two white shirts to go under the single tartan pattern Catholic school uniform(handed down from sister or bought used from some unknown source). We had a good meal on the table at 5 every night, thanks to my mom,and I guess that was what I accepted as the guidepost.

When we switched to public school in 11th grade, I was told I wouldn't be going to college, so my curriculum was that of "Tech Track." I was deep in my pot head by then, so college held no interest(one of my life regrets, not going to college). I could have gotten a FREE BOAT RIDE, I now know, with Pell Grants and scholarships, had ONLY someone explained that to me, had only SOMEONE taken the time to explain that I could do well, and provide me with some sort of stimulation besides being able to order all the Scholastic Books I could read(thank you, Mom, for insisting there be no limit). I had held the highest IQ in my grade school(not grade) when tested in 5th grade(this info provided by the daughter of a teacher who liked to look into classmate records when waiting after school for mom. There was a small group of testers who took me out of class for two solid days doing tests because I was not participating, in sixth grade. The consensus was "gifted." I remember them explaining that to my teacher. And then the next day I was back to the routine - sitting in the desk next to teacher, disallowed to be among my peers, because I didn't pay attention.

I AM that Middle America, through and through. So... there's that.

Why are we SOOOOOO understanding that all the white "Middle American" men(those whose grandfathers held mind-numbing factory jobs they often detested) feel "left behind, ignored, abused?" Where has the pity been all the years previous for the inner city kids, the rural poor in the south? The ones who actually WERE left behind, ignored, and abused?

Give me a small violin(trying not to swear here - hear that in the tone one would hear "give me a f.... break").

Sure - the factory jobs went away. We SAW IT COMING. I know that I did! At 18, when the guys in my class graduated and started to seek jobs. Farming had already crashed on them(so you see, we had a precedent - the death of factory jobs was NOT a virgin trauma on our population). The factories WERE starting to shut. Yeah....men were panicking. Yeah, there weren't enough jobs. Yeah, people complained.

And then they got up and started learning new trades and while some did not flourish, a good number did. (Why do we feel responsible for those factory-men who failed to flourish, when the young black male with such more limited resources at the same time was "lazy" and "should move if there are no jobs nearby?"


The GOP(NOT to be confused with the general population who vote GOP) has NO plan to help these people, black, brown, yellow or white. They. Are. Lying. Handing us bullshit(oops) and telling us it's a fudge brownie.

And NOT.ONLY.THAT!

!

It's a plan - well orchestrated, that is clear - by our good old enemy, Russia. Call that fake news all you want - just please stop short of starting civil war. We. Have. Been. Had.

By a master in the art.

Who very well may have known - no, they HAD to know - that the bumbling Trumps couldn't pull off what they were hoping to.


It's NOT Middle America v The Coasts. STOP with that - PLEASE! For the sake of our Republic.

United We Stand. Divided We Fall.

THAT is "the plan" for us, for We, the People.






dirtbag

climber
Dec 8, 2017 - 08:41am PT
Care to verify that with a citation


Sure, but I don’t have time right now. If you are interested there are countless sources if you google “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

dirtbag

climber
Dec 8, 2017 - 08:47am PT
Happie and dingus, you might find this interesting:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/opinion/liberals-conservatives-trump.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fopinion&action=click&contentCollection=opinion®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=14&pgtype=sectionfront&referer=https://www.nytimes.com/section/opinion?nytmobile=0




xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 8, 2017 - 11:19am PT
roy moores biggest supporter revealed...

According to a filing with the Federal Election Commission, Uihlein donated $100,000 to Proven Conservatives PAC, a group advocating for GOP Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore. Uihlein’s donation, which hadn’t been disclosed, has bankrolled a series of advertisements boosting Moore’s candidacy following multiple sexual assault and harassment allegations dating back several decades. The PAC, formed in late August, has also aired ads attacking Moore’s primary opponent, Sen. Luther Strange (R-AL), and his Democratic election rival Doug Jones.

During the 2016 election, Uihlein and his wife donated a combined $26.4 million to federal campaigns, super PACs, and interest groups.

http://observer.com/2017/11/roy-moore-super-pac-megadonor-revealed/

Credit: xCon
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 8, 2017 - 11:36am PT
Credit: xCon
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 8, 2017 - 12:21pm PT
...and ALL votes, on ALL bills, could be decided by the People directly - well, wouldn't that be something?

What you propose is the thing the framers of the Constitution feared. This is why we are a Democratic Republic, not a pure Democracy. Checks and balances between governing bodies at the local, state, and Federal levels dampen the countries penchant for swinging wildly in different directions, and also prevent a "tyranny of the majority," where a small majority can rule as they will over large, but smaller minority. The fox asks the chicken what's for dinner tonight.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Dec 8, 2017 - 02:33pm PT
The GOP(NOT to be confused with the general population who vote GOP)

And yet it's confused every day. Like good ole Norton who personally blames each and every GOP voter, for the ills of President Trump and never misses a chance to restate that blame.

It's NOT Middle America v The Coasts. STOP with that - PLEASE! For the sake of our Republic.

Who are you preaching to here? The red state blue state bullshit is not a fabrication of my imagination, it has been puked out on this board since at least a year before the last presidential election.

United We Stand. Divided We Fall.

Cheap assed words.

DMT
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 8, 2017 - 02:47pm PT
If you vote GOP, you are not GOP? I am confused...
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Dec 8, 2017 - 02:49pm PT
That's right.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Dec 8, 2017 - 02:51pm PT
What you propose is the thing the framers of the Constitution feared. This is why we are a Democratic Republic, not a pure Democracy.

The moronic results we the people squeeze out of the California ballot initiative system (originally conceived to break the back of Big 4 political hold on the state legislature over 100 years ago) is a perfect example of why democracy is no way to run a government.

DMT
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 8, 2017 - 03:02pm PT
"If you vote GOP, you are not GOP? I am confused... "

like you can be for discrimination but not be a racist...
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 9, 2017 - 06:57am PT
"Cheap ass words."

Why do you suggest that? Is it because I am one of those "never served?"

As you know, they aren't my words, but one of the concepts of our union that at least one founding father held. "Cheap ass words, my ass." Tell that to the man who wrote them

But back to the motto. Dividing our population is EXACTLY what has been prescribed to fix our wagon. Turn one group against another to weaken both groups. A standard way of doing business, when you're in the business of controlling a population.

It has been shown that there absolutely WAS a bot campaign created and implemented during the '16 campaign to amplify messages of divisiveness. I know that I was aware that all of a sudden my sidebar "news" feed was becoming more and more about those types of stories.

Because I have an interest in spam and the criminal connection that goes with it, I knew those stories were from suspect sources, and also that the headlines were often incendiary and bizarrely NOT what was included in the content of the stories. And it worked like a charm. We'd see these stories - our FB friends would share them, and suddenly outrage was spilling from the feeds. OFTEN over misinformation and fabricated garbage. The effort exacerbated our feelings of difference between GOP and DEM. Add in paid trolls(yes, it has absolutely been shown to have been done) to keep the conversations aggressive, and the "anonymous other" syndrome took hold, where we treat others through the scrim of the internet in ways we would never do in person.

Believe this - we ARE in the process of a cold cyberwar. The enemy is NOT our fellow citizens. We have GOT to stick together as a whole, even as we disagree on many things, or the country will be destabilized. THAT is the endgame Putin is playing for.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Dec 9, 2017 - 07:12am PT
"Cheap ass words."

Why do you suggest that? Is it because I am one of those "never served?"

Oh no, nothing to do with that and not really intended to be personal.

When we say united we stand but then our words and actions are not uniting, the phrase is meaningless. OK someone is warning me if we stay divided we fall, fine, you know what I get that. Is the person doing the warning actually willing to stand, in this case, united with GOP voters? To move toward the middle and accept compromise as the method for political reform? I think not. Two way street don't get me wrong, but I don't see uniting actions from very many politicos these days.

Cheers
DMT
Messages 421 - 440 of total 568 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Recent Route Beta