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thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:39pm PT
sure, sure, Jaybro. I hear you. The thing is that we let the Clinton thing slide all these years so they still have that sick (wonderful!) sexophonist to lord over us.


you either gotta beat 'em at their own game, or follow the moral White Unicorn into impossibility-ville (how the hell would we beat the "moral majority" when we have skeletons like Monica et al in our closet) and hope that our shining white steed wins over the set-in-stone anti-dem set that we have doused all over America.


The answer is a new party, a UNITY party. Kasich is repugnant in one or two ways, for me. Nothing is perfect on our side of things. But let's all, please, please, just consider finding a middle ground, an imperfect but electable directorship, a flavorful and varied sandwich of ideology, a legislature that actually heeds the views of the electorate.

Hell, even Jody and I can agree on some things. I suspect that the Founding Fathers would rather we talked, spoke of our beliefs, TOGETHER, rather than stayed stuck diametrically opposed like some mudbogged mule and his cruel owner, with national administrative and legislative bodies just chugging along like the electorate is hunky-dory.



Let us not forget the anti-democratic actions of the College of Electors. Let us understand the meaning of the Electoral College, let us understand that their anti-mob-rule role has been inverted to a rule of a minority mob, aided and abetted by our bought-and-paid legislature. (Sorry Jody, heehee!)
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:48pm PT
Regarding the House vote to impeach President Trump

Although he resisted for weeks, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan agreed to let the Democrats have their vote

the vote was along part lines, every Republican who voted, voted no to impeach
and the Dems to impeach

it is understandable no Republicans want Trump to go through impeachment proceedings
given the daily media spot light on a fellow member of their political party

I am surprised that this early in Trumps' presidency that so many Dems stood up and voted to impeach, that can be a risky political move, quite possibly angering independents in their House districts along with all base Republicans and could cost them reelection
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:50pm PT
the vote was along part lines, every Republican who voted, voted no to impeach
and the Dems to impeach


NO! Factually untrue Norton.

Per this page, Pelosi, Hoyer, MOST OTHER DEMS (fully 1/3 of the House!), voted to table (quit) the impeachment measure quoted below
Resolved, That Donald John Trump, President of the United
States is unfit to be President .....


So yeah, f*#k
the Dems.





by kowtowing to the reelection boogeyman, they (and you Norton) really show the rotten meat, the broken dull tines, the parts that put sh#t in our food, in the sausagegrinder.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 7, 2017 - 01:00pm PT
We Must hold Trump to the same standard as Franken

As a man of zero integrity Trump will not rise to the standard. We should run with him that!
locker

climber
Dec 7, 2017 - 01:03pm PT


"We Must hold Trump to the same standard as Franken"...


Don't forget...

he's a "Star" and does what he want's...


...








Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Dec 7, 2017 - 01:32pm PT
yes indeed, "fuk the Dems" for having gall to bring an impeachment vote up

and yes, and again fuk the dems because their House minority leaders did not agree with a number of the rank and file that now is a good time to do it

oh my, they just all should have voted to impeach if the dems had any guts

and fuk Norton for posting about this vote
locker

climber
Dec 7, 2017 - 01:36pm PT


and fuk you, Norton...

for existing...

You fuking LIBTARD!!!...

;-)

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 7, 2017 - 01:50pm PT
no norton, not f*#k you.

f*#k your inaccurate statement "
the Dems [partyline voted] to impeach
"and doublef*#k your adherence to a leadership unwillling to do what needs to be done.


and also, I am a bit cornfused as to your misrepresentation of my complaint that the Dems did not vote to impeach (you paint me as damning them for allowing a vote...?) I am obvi in line with Al Green. You are not. Your patently inaccurate statement reminds me a lot of those of the Liar in Chuff.

maybe if we wait a little longer, let the Mueller investigation dawdle to its inevitably impotent conclusion, maybe if we allow our elected officials to keep sucking the teat of the status quo majordomos, maybe, just maybe....something good will happen.





Yes Norton, they should have voted to impeach. Unsure what magical seer stones or divining pools you and Pelosi are indulging in, but please feel free to share.

Meanwhile, the Orange world turns......


Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 7, 2017 - 02:26pm PT
Better they should wait until it will stick!
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 7, 2017 - 02:41pm PT
I think it is plausible that the reason Franken, and some others, are stepping down is due to damage control - NOT for what has come out already, but what MAY come out in the future.

Better to step aside when you've been accused of "lesser sins" and no longer be in the legislature when "greater sins" are made public. The Jeffrey Epstein thing is roiling at a slow slimmer but heating up, and unless DT gets his hands on the nukes and blows us to smithereens, it will be boiling over as part of the Mueller probe(yes, pun intended).

Right now, in comparison to Moore, Franken looks like an Alter Boy caught drinking the wine from the sacristy. THIS is his "15 minutes of Shame." Imagine were he still seated if it comes out that he has participated in some of the things that are expected to come out.

We can be pretty sure that Clinton will be named in the scandal, and though the Trump supporters still claim it as "fake news," Donald Trump will be named. Who else, though.... Your guess is as good as mine, but I have the feeling there will be plenty. And WE, taxpayers, have been paying for it. God f*#king forbid, they tell you, that an honest, hard-working American should pay a few pennies, toward the food a child whose parent is a drug addict. And all along they have used taxpayer funds toward their partying with the use of child prostitutes - girls as young as twelve(and probably younger, and almost certainly boys in the same age range) FORCED into sexual slavery. What do you think happens to those kids when they get worn out??????? WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS TO THEM?

Clean house now and hope to hell you get them all. Let the GOP'ers hold on to their "it's lies, I tell you" denials, because when it comes out(apparently Epstein taped much or all), there ain't going to be any denying.
Mei

Trad climber
mxi2000.net
Dec 7, 2017 - 02:52pm PT
I truly believe that Franken stepped down because 1) he sincerely believed that he could no longer do his honorary job; 2) he and his family can no longer take any more smear campaigns (you are right; there could be more *false* accusations to come out).

there ain't going to be any denying.
Oh trust me, the buffoon and his gang will still deny even under oath standing next to a video showing the very thing that they are denying. I won't underestimate their "art of denial."
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 7, 2017 - 02:53pm PT
I got my Fox News fix today while driving back & forth to town. Fox reported Franken’s resignation & also accurately report his remarks about Trump & Roy Moore:

“I, of all people, am aware that there is some irony in the fact that I am leaving while a man who has bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the Oval Office and a man who has repeatedly preyed on young girls campaigns for the Senate, with the full support of his party,” he said.

Then two Fox “talking heads” discussed if that speech & Franken's resignation would have any effect on Moore’s candidacy for the Senate. One ”talking head” immediately dismissed Franken’s resignation as having any significance, since “they” will just put another Democrat like him in his seat . He smugly added that the Republicans would be fools to think that Franken’s resignation would set a moral standard that Republicans should follow.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 7, 2017 - 02:59pm PT
so I guess the gist of the non-impeachment impetus is to sit on our hands and wait for the evidence to become apparent? surely someone is doing something about this.


(hmm, seems to me that the more time passes, the more buying off, scrubbing away, etc., of evidence will occur).


upon whom are we waiting? f*#king godot?






Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Dec 7, 2017 - 03:10pm PT
I agree with TBC on the leadership. I think the current leadership can best be categorized at stalwart at best. Time for new blood, young blood! Get rid of the dinosaurs struck in their holding pattern of entrenched opposition.\

Get the democratic party out of the trenches.

DMT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 7, 2017 - 03:29pm PT
Franken should not resign unless the far worse Republicans including trumpy resign first. The Democrats are idiots if they think they are setting an example. They have attempted this loser policy to play nice before and always the Republicans never reciprocate. The entire GOP strategy for years now is dirty politics. The Republicans will NEVER follow any such example, as demonstrated by the GOP official support for moore. It is foolish to claim that Franken's case stands alone, regardless of what happens in other cases. He would actually not be setting an example, because we know that unless those worse cases resign first, they will never resign. In fact they will have a victory dance where they celebrate the Democrat self-immolation.

i believe that there were a bunch of knuckle-draggers who voted for Trump. But I also think that there were some genuinely serious people, who held their nose. I think, given a chance to ponder what has been wrought, that they will come to not support what the GOP is doing.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 7, 2017 - 03:36pm PT
No one cares that the House vote was landslide in favor of retaining our sex-abuser in chief?

you know, people are being polite to you, in spite of you having your head up your a*#. You obviously did not read the motion for impeachment, which did not enumerate Trump committing any crimes. you might, if you would read the Constitution, find that the President can only be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors. None alleged.

So you want to waste gov't time and money on a stunt that has no hope of succeeding. Typical far left wing thinking.

You appear to be complaining about ethical thinking and behavior, in favor of the crap that the GOP carries out. Go ahead and leave the democratic party for the anarchist party, and don't let the ethics hit you on the way out.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 7, 2017 - 03:41pm PT
Oh Ken, you sweet enabler, you. Keep fighting the good fight for the status quo. You are dreaming if you think that the way forward is to keep pumping the Dem moral high bar and expect anything other than heel dragging in return.

your inability to accept or even envision anything beyond the Elephant vs the Donkey is telling. it was a good 25 centuries until the glue hardened and then cracked, just like every other democratic construction.

adapt or perish. I'll be adapting, thank you.




And no Ken, you are wrong, the resolution cited "high misdemeanors". I can only envision this as something like a candy bar theft after a bunch of dabs, so I am sure that it's not really spot on.....
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 7, 2017 - 03:43pm PT
I am obvi in line with Al Green.

And in another time, you would have been the guy to run a rope over a tree branch to get "street justice", because someone looked at you the wrong way.

You cannot state any crime that Trump has been found guilty of, but you want to start an impeachment that requires that, anyway.

The democratic party does not need anyone with your concept of justice.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 7, 2017 - 03:46pm PT
ob.struct.ion.of.just.ice


I love the image of vigilante TBC. Wish I had the mean bones in my body to do what no one else will. wish you had the capacity to understand anarchists as anything more than the bombthrowing devils that mainstreamers of your ilk see as soon as a major political reformation is suggested or demanded. it would behoove you to study the cenetistas


while you are at it Ken, you think the Nay voters outta bail on the Dems too? because I sure do and I am pretty sure that they're wondering too.

unity party or nothing






as to your suggestion that the Dems need not of my support....you are right! they had it last go 'round yet they totally screwed the pooch. I'm sure you'll be fine without me. Good luck, muahahahaha!
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 7, 2017 - 04:21pm PT
The GOP fell from the moral high ground when they backed tRump. Now they just don't care anymore. Ideology and greed are their God now.

In spite of the daily tRump worldwide sh*t show, the Dem's haven't developed a compelling, comprehensive alternative. They need to clean house and come back with a better, more centrist vision, and new leadership.
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