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locker

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Dec 6, 2017 - 11:11am PT


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thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 6, 2017 - 11:12am PT
Ken...

because in the democratic party we tolerate this.




or, say, touchy uncle joe biden? if Franken has to go then the Dems can have their empty seat, Independents or Unity Party are critical at this point


locker

climber
Dec 6, 2017 - 11:15am PT



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thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 6, 2017 - 11:19am PT
BTW Ken, you lovin' the Dems now that the Al Green House impeachment vote went down 364-58?
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Dec 6, 2017 - 12:30pm PT
He’ll likley resign tomorrow. Probably time.

Now it’s Trump’s turn. Anybody outraged over Franken should be beyond livid the POS POTUS has skated.
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 6, 2017 - 12:44pm PT
author of "the art of the deal"


Tony Schwartz

@tonyschwartz

Today's NYT story on Harvey Weinstein is one of the most disturbing articles I've ever read about dozens of human beings being complicit with & enabling a monster. Trump is worse, and much more will emerge. We are living in a deeply deeply sick American culture.
6:19 AM - Dec 6, 2017


Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Dec 6, 2017 - 12:47pm PT
Franken should not resign unless the far worse Republicans including trumpy resign first. The Democrats are idiots if they think they are setting an example. They have attempted this loser policy to play nice before and always the Republicans never reciprocate. The entire GOP strategy for years now is dirty politics. The Republicans will NEVER follow any such example, as demonstrated by the GOP official support for moore. It is foolish to claim that Franken's case stands alone, regardless of what happens in other cases. He would actually not be setting an example, because we know that unless those worse cases resign first, they will never resign. In fact they will have a victory dance where they celebrate the Democrat self-immolation.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 6, 2017 - 12:47pm PT
A good play by the Democrats. Conyers out, Franken out. Now they can demand that the Republicans do some house cleaning as well.

The Republican play, if they can pull it off, is to have Moore get the seat, then throw him under the bus so the Governor gets to appoint a new Republican Senator.

The interesting development will come when the names, currently secret, of those in Congress who paid out settlements with taxpayer dollars are made public. Now that the existence and use of the fund is public knowledge it's only a matter of time.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Dec 6, 2017 - 12:53pm PT
you seriously believe Senate Republicans will order Moore out of the Senate? really?

they can drag out an "Ethics Investigation" for the remainder of his term.......
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 6, 2017 - 01:04pm PT
they can drag out an "Ethics Investigation" for the remainder of his term.......


Why would that be to their advantage? They tried as hard as they could to primary him in the first place. He's a loose cannon, the establishment will take him out. All that matters to them is holding the seat. They'll leverage the Governor to appoint one of their own.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Dec 6, 2017 - 03:55pm PT
There have been 268 settlements in Congress to pay off victims of discrimination, mostly sexual harassment.
Before Al steps down, EACH of those needs to be compared. Any that were worse than Al need to step down FIRST.
Otherwise there is no rule or policy, just a witchhunt against Al that will not be applied to republihypocrats.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/settlements-congress-sexual-harassment/index.html
sycorax

Boulder climber
Yoknapatawpha County
Dec 6, 2017 - 04:57pm PT
Darn, another fat white male harasser goes down in flames. #metoo. Jacky Speier for president. Tired of sausages running the show,
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 6, 2017 - 08:10pm PT
Before Al steps down, EACH of those needs to be compared.

I can't agree. I get your frustration, but the logic is flawed. It's wrong to let a confirmed sexual molester go unpunished just because worse predators might be outed in the future. Apparently a group of powerful women in the Senate think so too, and they're Democrats.

It's also wrong to let smaller fish off the hook just because bigger fish (Trump for example) are harder to catch.

268? Wow. The fact that they stooped to paying off their accusers/victims with taxpayer money is enough to throw them to the wolves. I can't wait for the shoe to drop.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Dec 6, 2017 - 11:29pm PT
"Apparently a group of powerful women in the Senate think so too, and they're Democrats."

That is because the Democrats are more interested in ever admitting wrong-doing than Repubhypocrins, who never admit anything. Trump being the top example. George Bush jr. to this day does not admit he was mistaken in attacking Iraq.
And in those Democrats safe districts, being politically correct is of top importance, with no consideration to practicality or consistency. Otherwise those women in the Senate would release the names of all the secret settlements.

Duncan Hunter (R) from eastern San Diego County embezzled $100,000 from his campaign funds to spend on his own pocket. The "investigation" has been going on for years, with no outcome or indictment. If it were you or me, we would be in jail.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 7, 2017 - 08:20am PT
I don't think this is the flush that gets him. Franken's going to keep clinging to the rim.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 7, 2017 - 09:11am PT
^nope. he is gone. over it, done voting dem, period, personally.
BJ

climber
Dec 7, 2017 - 09:38am PT
It is unfortunate that this as#@&%es self inflicted as#@&%ery cost the Democratic party and the Senate an articulate voice who was adept at getting under the skin of the administration over substance.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 7, 2017 - 09:50am PT
it's almost like his colleagues on the same side of the aisle did not value him due to his unconventional, unserious rise to power. it is almost like they think that they can pull many female votes by taking the high road here. the female candidate for POTUS did so well woth this, why wouldn't it work well this time around? it's like deja vu all over again, the song that never ends, the party of the golden rule (and no majority), etc.

I think i will be changing my registration to independent.
locker

climber
Dec 7, 2017 - 09:59am PT



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SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Dec 7, 2017 - 10:31am PT
Sad situation. It became clear it had to happen.

IMO, taking this “high road” will have no long lasting effect, beyond a short term, Dem, self patting on the back about how virtuous they are. As well, as the use of sound bites in the next election, about the moral high ground the Dems took.

It seems that we’ve reduced our values in our country to money being the determiner of all that is good and worthy.

As for the effect of the resignation on bolstering the Dem image, “no good deed goes unpunished” comes to mind.

I’ve always registered independent or decline to state. I’m about to register “anarchist” if that becomes available.

Now back to regular scheduled programming on Jerusalem.

Susan.





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