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Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 14, 2017 - 07:55pm PT
your carrying on AS IF the person who provides the weapon to a criminal has no responsibility

The Air Force (a Federal agency if ever there was one,) completely screwed the pooch by failing in their obligation to report his prior conviction and imprisonment to the FBI. Universal background checks only work if the NCIS actually gets the right information.

So, if anyone is culpable for Mr. Texas buying his gun, it's our own Federal government.
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Nov 14, 2017 - 07:56pm PT
Universal background checks aren’t universal. Us California boys can always go to one of those Nevada gun shows if we feel the need for a SCAR 17 with a couple dozen 30 round clips.

And of course if one proposed gun law wouldn’t have prevented just one particular killing (or all killings) then it is obviously a completely useless law—gun laws must be perfect or what’s the use.



On pp. 54 and 55, the majority opinion, written by conservative bastion Justice Antonin Scalia, states: “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited…”. It is “…not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

“Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”


not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever

Outlawing all semi-automatic weapons would also be a good starting point.
nah000

climber
now/here
Nov 14, 2017 - 07:56pm PT
imo/e:

 prohibition does not/has never successfully put any kind of dampener on collective addictions [ie. in many cases prohibition of the dependency laden has arguably made the prohibited more readily available]
 unlike the citizens of other nations [who have their own collective problems], americans are [in general/as a whole] psychologically addicted to guns [ie. the prohibitions that have worked in other countries will not necessarily work in the u.s.]
 one can’t predicate a nation in part on the exploitation of the other [whether internal or external to the borders of said nation] and not have an in general/as a whole collective psychological imbalance regarding the notion of what will or will not bring “security.” ie. in sum: without concurrent digging to the roots of the u.s.’, current psychological dependency on guns, the creation of more gun laws, in and of themselves, will do little to “solve” the current complications found in the present.
QITNL

climber
Nov 14, 2017 - 08:00pm PT
Please take a brief break from the sniping and recognize some bravery. Here's a a shout-out to the teachers and and staff at the school which was targeted senselessly: Rancho Tehama Elementary. They prevented even greater tragedy, but I doubt that provides them much solace. They must be shaking, mourning.

http://www.kcra.com/article/4-victims-gunman-dead-in-shooting-rampage-near-tehama-county-school-1/13600667

[Assistant Sheriff Phil] Johnston said the gunman tried to get into rooms at the school with the intent of shooting children, but staff initiated a lockdown that saved lives.

School officials heard about the shots fired in the nearby neighborhood and immediately locked down the building.

Johnston said it was "monumental" that school workers took the action they did and there is no doubt in his mind they saved the lives of countless children.

http://www.abc10.com/news/local/rancho-tehama-school-officials-responded-within-15-seconds-of-shooting/491840577

“The difference between the lockdown and the shooter being in the quad was about 15 seconds,” said [Corning Union Elementary School District Superintendent Rick] Fitzpatrick. “It was incredibly prompt action.”

We owe a debt of gratitude to these heros:
https://rts-corning-ca.schoolloop.com/Teachers

These women and men put themselves on the frontlines daily. They are the first responders to those who terrorize our children. That's not in their job description - their task is to give their students the tools which directly prevent this violence: education, socialization, counseling.

A substitute teacher there makes McDonald's wages:
http://corning-ca.schoolloop.com/file/1346920474207/1312697158034/1144660443432326926.pdf

These teachers are teaching combined classes - do you know how hard it is?

To all the good teachers, here and everywhere, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!
Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss On the End of a Wet Fist
Nov 14, 2017 - 08:06pm PT
notherawesomethreadonthetorpor
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Nov 14, 2017 - 08:20pm PT
Yes nah000, we are different.

There are reports that the culture and attitudes in Australia
changed after 1996.

Hard to have a gun culture without guns.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Nov 14, 2017 - 08:24pm PT
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Nov 14, 2017 - 08:37pm PT
I can hardly wait for Jody's response.
I can hardly wait for Jody's response.
Credit: Fossil climber
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 14, 2017 - 08:43pm PT
You can post all the cartoons and stupid stuff you want...I have yet to see any idea submitted that would prevent tragedies. Background checks didn't even stop the Texas tragedy.

You guys are all bark and no bite. You just partake in the "feel good bitchin" about guns and the NRA yet none of you have any idea about any laws that would actually stop these killings. Just the same old tired crap that you always spew with no substantive suggestions.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 14, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
I have yet to see any idea submitted that would prevent tragedies.

Stop the manufacturing of guns. Sure, it'll take a couple of hundred years, but just maybe your great-great-great-grandchildren can go to school without worrying about being randomly slaughtered.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 14, 2017 - 08:52pm PT
Stop the manufacturing of guns. Sure, it'll take a couple of hundred years, but just maybe your great-great-great-grandchildren can go to school without worrying about being randomly slaughtered.

What an idea! except we are all going to be dead from climate change long before then.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 14, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
If owning machine guns is a good idea then more machines guns is even better... arm the entire American populace , a well armed miltia , with machine guns...The NRA and gun industry will make bank... The school and church massacres will end if everyone has the ability to shoot back...
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 14, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
The mother of the gunman who killed four people during a shooting rampage in Northern California said he called her a day earlier and told her “it’s all over now.”

Kevin Neal’s mother told The Associated Press in a phone interview Tuesday from her home in Raleigh, North Carolina, that her son was frustrated by constant feuding with his neighbors and told her “I’m on a cliff and there’s nowhere to go.”
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Nov 14, 2017 - 09:04pm PT
10b...but look at some of the crimes people committed who were released from prison under the lie that they were "non-violent".

Once again, your complaint should be with SCOTUS, not with the state of California.
TLP

climber
Nov 14, 2017 - 09:04pm PT
Well, how about this for another start, if the solution is to lock up more people (as we read upthread a bit): just increase the penalties for even the slightest gun law infraction, or any other negligence that might have prevented a shooting (as in Texas) to life without parole? Add that whoever transferred, without following whatever laws pertained, a firearm to a criminal also gets life.

The point is, if there were a severe incentive not to put guns in criminals' hands (we always hear about, they'll be the only ones with them...), maybe not so many of them would get there. In Texas, whoever in the Army didn't get that guy's convictions properly reported, life WOP. All of em. They're the ones who were next proximally responsible for the mass killing, they should be suffering some pretty darn severe consequences.

Hmmmm?

And a huge shout out to QITNL: you are SO RIGHT!!
frostback

Social climber
great white north
Nov 14, 2017 - 09:06pm PT
Quit clinging to religion and guns
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Nov 14, 2017 - 09:12pm PT
Stop the manufacturing of guns. Sure, it'll take a couple of hundred years, but just maybe your great-great-great-grandchildren can go to school without worrying about being randomly slaughtered

How about stopping the manufacturing of bullets?
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Nov 14, 2017 - 09:13pm PT
Still waiting on a proposed law from one of you geniuses that would prevent these tragedies.
Won't hold my breath...

Probably no single "law" will prevent all gun related killings.
But a few done correctly and implemented across the country would certainly help.

Here's 4.
But, you'd have to actually read the whole article not just the c+p below...

—Require permits to purchase

One clear flaw in federal gun laws is that prospective buyers do not get background checks when buying from private sellers, only when buying from licensed dealers.

—Ban individuals convicted of any violent crime from gun purchase

Americans with convictions for domestic violence are already banned for life from buying guns (although again, Kelley fell through the cracks). But that is not the case for other violent offenders. “If I punch my partner and I’m convicted, under federal law I’m prohibited for life,” Wintemute says, “but I can punch my next-door neighbor and in most of the country that has no implications for gun ownership whatsoever.” California is an illustrative exception: In 1991 the state passed a law preventing individuals with violent convictions from buying guns. And in a study published in JAMA The Journal of the American Medical Association in 2001 Wintemute and his colleagues studied its effects. Convicts who were allowed to buy guns before the law passed were nearly 30 percent more likely to be arrested later for a gun crime or other violent act compared with convicts who tried, but were unable, to buy guns after the law was passed.

—Make all serious domestic violence offenders surrender firearms

The federal statute preventing domestic violence criminals from having guns has a big loophole: Guns often aren’t taken away unless criminals voluntarily relinquish them to local law enforcement agencies. So offenders can get out of jail and immediately start using guns they have cached. Some states are now passing state laws requiring individuals convicted of domestic violence crimes to surrender their firearms; an October 2017 study found that these “relinquishment” laws are nearly 50 percent more effective than non-relinquishment laws at reducing intimate partner violence.

—Temporarily ban active alcohol abusers from firearms

Federal law prohibits people who are addicted to and/or unlawfully using controlled substances from owning guns. But recent data suggest some nine million U.S. firearm owners also binge drink, which is a specific medical problem involving abuse of the substance alcohol. Wintemute’s research suggests people with DUIs (driving under the influence) are four to five times as likely as people with no criminal record to be arrested for a violent crime in the future. Based on these data, Wintemute proposes a temporary ban on gun possession among individuals who have had, in the past five years, two or more convictions for DUI or another crime that indicates alcohol abuse. “There’s just no question that alcohol abuse is a risk factor for future violence in the general population, and it’s specifically a risk factor for future firearm violence,” he says.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/4-laws-that-could-stem-the-rising-threat-of-mass-shootings/


edit:
Thanks QITNL
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 14, 2017 - 09:18pm PT
Once again, your complaint should be with SCOTUS, not with the state of California.

Nope, SCOTUS said "non-violent" crimes. CA is so stupid they classify many violent crimes as "non-violent". the problem is with CA's classification system.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 14, 2017 - 09:24pm PT
Delhi, the middle two are already law, have been for years. The last one I would be all for just to punish DUI's and such...but that STILL wouldn't prevent an alcoholic from getting a gun if they wanted to.

Suppose the first one was made into law nationwide. That is going to stop a prohibited person from getting a gun how?
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