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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 3, 2017 - 03:29am PT
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We spent last week in Canada. All the parcks were closed for the season yet there was no problem parking the camper in the visitor centers or in front of the closed gates. The rangers would drive by in the morning and wave. Try that in the gud ol USA and they will lock you up and throw away the key... saw more cops on my way to work yesterday than I did in a week and 1,500 miles in Canada...
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c wilmot
climber
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Is your negative opinion of parks in the us based on personal experience?
Did you get tooled at mt tom?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Got to Cap de Gaspé Nat Park a little early, like June 2, and there was still snow on the ground AT SEA LEVEL! You could drive into the park but the campgrounds were closed. It was late in the day so we set up the tent at a pique-nique area. The next morning we hear some dood clearing his throat. We look out and see Ranger Guillaume standing there looking quite embarrassed. He fell all over himself asking our foregiveness for disturbing us but, after we had brekky, could we, no rush mind you, kindly pack up?
”WTF? DON’T TAZE ME, BRO!”
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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too bad the tools give NPS such a tight-assed paintywaist gestalt. I do agree that the problem is that there are just too damn many people visiting our US parks.
BLM land is where it's at these days, AFAIAC.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2017 - 02:38pm PT
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This is not just about national parks where aparently here in Amerika they jack you up for wearing the wrong ball cap. I am talking about the entire fcking system. What is more free that packing it up in a van or truck and hitting the road sleeping where you will. Well out west its reasonable but here in the east it sucks. But even out west you still have the cops eyeballing you just waiting for you to screw up. The whole speed trap bullsh#t. Hyper critical inspections where one stupid idiot light will keep you from getting a sticker. Everything is about punishement and what you can't do. You feel it the min you cross the border. Of course the tone is set up by the jacked up boarder guard who looks and acts like a stone cold killer. How about a f*#king smile and welcome home. WTF!!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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In total agreement with you on the east thing.
And the Canada thing as well.
I have always felt from living out west twice ,once in Cali and the other in Colorado,that westerners benefit from public lands and wide open spaces.
Here in the thickly settled east, not so much.
At least you have a few National forest’s over there.
Here in NY,you will get busted for sleeping in your van.
I know.
Cheers Nick!
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Have you set up your emigration hearing yet?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2017 - 03:09pm PT
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was rousted in NH last fall on forest service land because it was not a designated campsite. Got popped a few months ago for going 45mph and the cop was a complete dick about it. You have a choice out there if you want to help people or punish people. This as#@&%e was out to punish.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2017 - 03:29pm PT
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Fck You Russ. How about instead of telling me to leave my country why not try to make our country better. Is it too late to get the police state genie back in the bottle?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Agreed,Again.
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c wilmot
climber
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Being told you can't camp in an area that is not designated for camping is not exactly an exclusive east coast experience.
As for cops- you live near Woodstock- it is what it is...(a fake town full of rich folks who insist on a high police presence)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Once the last vestige of pigment departed from my hair police became super polite.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Wish I could say the same and I have been grey since the late nineties.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Once the last vestige of pigment departed from my hair police became super polite.
Jim, I aver that once they see yer thousand yard stare they figure
"This one's best sent on his way."
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2017 - 08:24pm PT
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we have more than twice as many people incarcerated in this country than any other country on earth. that is kind of f*#ked up..
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Love it or leave it braj...
Fck You Russ.
Fiery! Need any help packing?
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Yeah, SEBC is my favorite zone and the people are just nice, good mannered 'giv-r' types of folks at least that has been my experience with the bikers, skiers and coffee drinkers! I have never been to a cooler town or met nicer than in Nelson BC.
One AM hanging out at Oso Negro having some coffee I see a dready woman breast feeding, a couple old geezers rolling J's on a frisbee and a cop and lawyer looking dude cruising into grab a coffee on the way to the courthouse, everybody said there AM greetings and smiled and continued about their day. I was impressed and it was just nice to be in a place where folks choose to pat each other on the back regardless of differences(the above is one example, I have many more from just about each visit) rather than grunt, act standoffish or the general flipping of the bird.
They seem to understand 'free' and the social responsibility that it comes with better than most of my fellow countryfolk, so it seems...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I thought this thread was about Canada?
So a friend, her hubby, and two doggies headed up there a couple months ago. Boy, was she surprised, and way pissed, when the Canuck Customs nazis totally pulled their car apart, which was packed to the max for a month long trip thru Canuckistan. Yeah, a couple of well off retired Murricans, one whom is a volunteer Forest Service ranger, coming up to spend money, and they get treated like that? Then The Tool found her can of bear spray (they were headed for some hiking in grizz country) and he threatened them with a phukking felony? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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We are just as stoopid as the Muricans.
However we have not made guns and climate change denial religions.
We are NOT free, just more moderate.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Canadian Customs assumes every American crossing their border is packing heat, and they don't take "no" for an answer until they ask four or five times.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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AP, so bear spray is a ‘gun’? At least here our park and forest services recommend we carry it. My take is that yer gubmint is afraid people will use it to defend themselves from criminals, god forbid!
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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We met a couple in their 70's who have Geode mine in Oregon. He could never go to Canada because he couldn't keep his handguns.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Love it or leave it is such a bullsh!t argument. Hey our rights and our freedom are being trampled on but if you don't like it you can get out.
Jody's comment is exactly what you'd expect from a cop. Also bullsh!t.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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I think Canadians should consider building a wall. Long, leaky border between them and a bunch of ruffians.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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If we built a wall it would be a 10,000 km long traverse problem.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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A wall would be beneficial to Canadians in that it would be porous to clever latinos who wanted to work but would prove to be an insurmountable barrier to lazy caucasians.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Originalpcmac, you might want to go back and look, the love it or leave it comment came from Russ, not Jody, so you might not want to take it at face value. I don't follow these threads here much, but I suspect it's more about past history between the two personalities than Russ' conservative patriotism.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Does it really matter that it’s Russ or Jody?
Same. Lol.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Reilly! Re your friends having their Bear Spray confiscated & themselves threated with proscecution!
WTF?
I have an interest in the subject, since friends keep inviting us up to visit bear-infested BC.
Per this Nov. 2016 Canadian customs document, it strongly appears "Bear-Spray" is legal & mace & pepper-spray are not.
Exception: Aerosol or similar dispensers that contain substances capable of repelling or subduing animals (e.g. dog or bear repellent) are not considered prohibited weapons if:
(i) the label of the container indicates specifically that it is for use against animals only; and
(ii) the provisions of the Pest Control Products Act are met.
(iii) In order for a device or dispenser to be considered to meet the above criteria, it must be apparent that the device was designed exclusively for the control or use against animals. The manufacturer’s label and specifications will be deemed as the design of the product. The misuse of these or any other similar device may nonetheless be punishable under other laws.
(iv) Please note that there is no minimum quantity or capacity requirements (in terms of grams or milliliters) in making the determination with respect to animal repellents.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d19/d19-13-2-eng.pdf
Maybe your friends tried to sneak their Bear Spray through the border & got in trouble for not declaring it?
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Offwhite, I am aware of who made what comment. Point taken though. I guess my wording may have been a poor choice. Certainly not trying to come off as angry. Merely stating my opinion. Cheers, ya'll!
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Originalpmac beat me to it, but Russ' post
Love it or leave it braj...
Is way off the mark. Love it or change it.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Hey MH
A few years ago we had a Prime Minister who tried to stifle climate science. It could happen again.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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It must have been the Trump sticker...?
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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With all due respect Jody, it means there are too many people locked up for non violent crimes, private prisons, poor methods for rehabilition and rampant recidivism. I apologize if my comment came off as a jab at you for your service as an LEO.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2017 - 02:59am PT
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The difference is that if the us customs had found the bear spray they would have prosecuted you.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2017 - 03:01am PT
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when we were in alberta pleanty of folks had bear spray. they just want you to buy it local and not bring it accross the boarder. stupid but pretty normal for beuracracys...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2017 - 03:26am PT
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Jody we have too many laws and too many people that want to see a hanging. heck some lady in florida just got a DWI for rideing a horse shitfaced.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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The "Green" religion is the fastest growing cult in the world and has taken over our government and has scientists basing "findings" on "consensus" rather than scientific facts
Herd wrong Jody?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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You can get a DUI in a wheelchair, limited to motorized I think
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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I agree...however, my point is that if Canada is indeed the "Land of the Free", it wouldn't have been a stupid law to begin with. The fact that it is a "law", debunks the notion that Canada is free.
By that logic, any place with "laws" is not free?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Without laws there would be no society. Recall the movie “Road Warrior.” Freedom from want, freedom from fear require a society with laws.
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WBraun
climber
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Without law, there is NO real Freedom ever .....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Fritzi, thanks for actually contributing substantively! My friends never dreamed that bear spray would be an issue. A can is always in a door pocket of their vehicle and/or in a pack pocket so they didn’t even give it a thought. And being a uniform wearing ranger I can assure you her bear spray was just that, why would she carry one of those weak little personal defense ones that only spray 8’? Besides, there’s no damn difference in the products except in terms of volume and range which really makes the Canadian law even stoopider because it basically says it’s cool to carry the far more effective product. Lastly, it puts paid to my assertions that Canadian Customs and Immigrations has some real personnel issues if they have officers who either don’t know the laws or are just being tools.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Without law, there is NO real Freedom ever .....
Werner is correct. Without law you have anarchy, and chaos.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Reilly! No problem. I'm a great believer in bear spray, but I don't leave it in my car, except in coolers. I've known two folks who did & were very, very, sorry when the canister exploded on a hot day. Luckily, no-one was inside the car in either case.
Of course, in our free campsites & after dark in the Northern Rockies, I prefer stuff that makes big flashes & lots of noise.
Also, since someone mentioned you likely couldn't bring bear spray back into the U.S. That does not seem to be a problem either, if you are driving, the bear spray is U.S. made, & you tell the folks you have it, if asked.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Whoa! Guess I’ll start keeping ours in the back of the Raptor!
“How hot was it, Johnny?”
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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cw, thanks! Now, where the heck do you buy those?
Never mind, Mr Google found it! Who knew?
The real question is:
will that labeling suffice for Canuckistani customs tools? ;-/
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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"Jebus, you moron. It wasn't a criminal with the gun, it was a high ranking LE in good standing."
" Yes, I am all for herding up criminals "
It was a crime to cross the border with a gun. Doing so makes you a criminal. A LEO criminal. Where in the constitution of either country does it say LEOs are exempt from the laws? Only morons are subject to the law? I must have missed that article.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jody: " That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. It is quite the opposite. The "Green" religion is the fastest growing cult in the world and has taken over our government and has scientists basing "findings" on "consensus" rather than scientific facts"
Your denialism is showing yet again.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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cw, the hosers who make those bear spray safety containers won't ship them
to us! They all hate us! All I said is their border tools suck. WTF?
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Only if it has French instructions
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Reilly, you crack me up.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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The one time I went to BC (Bugaboos!) I was struck by all the hot Canadian women border patrol. I mean, there was a bunch of them and they were beautiful. Not so much on the way back down. Bunch of thick necked pigs, really. Looked like Scott Jacobs.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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I moved to Canada in 1997 for work. I was really worried as I pulled up to the border. I had nothing illegal with me, but I did have a full truckload of my shite with me. Was there a nug leftover from some party in a jacket or some residue on a knife that would derail the whole thing? It was February and a wholesale search of my truck would be frigid at the very least. I pull up to the shack and roll down my window.
“Have anything to declare?”
“Yes. 4 rifles, 2 shotguns, a couple hundred rounds of ammunition, a carton of smokes, a case of beer, two dogs. Oh, and I need my work permit.”
“Seriously?”
“Yes”
“Pull over there and come inside.”
I gave him my ID, job letter, diploma, rabies certificates and the cash for the permit. 30 minutes later I was on my way north. In the 4 years I worked up there, I never once had an issue going north. Going south was a 50/50 on getting the runaround and/or searched. Ironically, when I moved back to the US, getting my guns back into the US was the biggest holdup.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2017 - 03:52pm PT
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Stricty going on personal experience, the 4 times that I have gone to Canada they were super polite and nice at the border. The 4 times I have returned home they were dickheads. Yes I completly understand that there has to be laws to have a functioning civil society but when your prison system is for profit and you have more than twice as many people incarcerated as any other country in the world perhaps it is time for some self evaluation.
Jody. rather than go through the PINTA permit process your friend tried to smuggle a firearm into Canada. That makes him a criminal just like any other crook that tries to smuggle a gun into Canada. One of the big reasons that civilians have a poor opinion of law enforcement these days is because we feel you guys act like you are above the law and you hassel us for the same behavior that you routinely engage in.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Best border experience:
Entering India from Nepal by land.
We got off the bus in a small town.
No sign of the border so we start walking down the street.
After a minute some guys call us from the verandah of a small building.
We go over there and the Indian border guys were sitting around at a table.
It took 1 minute and many smiles went around.
Very pleasant
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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You know when there's a heat wave and the crime rate goes way up? I think it's the opposite with Canada. They're all chill because they're chilly.
Ever been to Niagara Falls? What a rude awakening. The Canadian side is kept up nicely and flush with cash. The American side looks like Tijuana.
But it's always fun to tease my Canadian friends. When do you think Canada will be the 51st state? How come most of the good hockey teams are in the US? You guys end every statement like a question?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Fet...Quit stirring the pot...A friend that got popped smugling hash oil in his gas tank into Canada said the canadian border gaurds are ex-prison guards that can spot monkey business...We drove from Sandpoint one night north across the border with a M-1 carbine sitting in the back window and an ashtray full of roaches.. No questions asked entering and leaving...
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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leave it to the tool to lump the libertarian in with the lefties. let dog sort 'em out, eh?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Tradmanclimbs...my whole point is that if Canada was supposedly a free place there wouldn't be a law against an LE bringing a handgun into the country in the first place. I think citizens should be allowed to...maybe in advance get a background check and then declare them at the border if they must?
Jody, you're seriously missing the point here. By your logic, I could say "If the US was a free place, there wouldn't be any law against bringing a bunch of heroin into the country in the first place."
Do you really believe that because you think your group is awesome, that other country's laws shouldn't apply to you? And, if so, do you think Canadians (or Germans or Chinese or Iranians) should be allowed into the US with whatever the f*#k they want to bring in? Just because they think they're above your country's law?
Heroin? Handguns? Nuclear weapons? Bio-weapons?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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well now ghost I'd say you show me the veracity of Jody's statement. shiet no a place ain't free if there's laws agin' heroin, high cap 5.56 rifles, purse pistols, pocket bratwursts, public rubber trampery or other broadly appealing but potentially socially disruptive amenities
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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OK! I think I see what Jody is trying to have us "little-people!" understand.
Cops should never be questioned or, God-forbid! Fuked-with, for carrying their guns anywhere on Earth, because they are the good-guys!
Jody?
Right?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Ghost...never mind. You don't get it either.
No, Jody, I do get it. I was raised by a cop, and count a cop as one of my best friends and favorite climbing partners. But neither of those cops would have considered themselves above the law in either their own country, or any other country. Cops that do so consider themselves are the root of a whole forest of problems.
It's you who has the blinders on.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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The hotshot crew I worked on got sent to N. Ontario to fight some fires. We flew into Timmins and went north from there. They provided us canvas tents and we cut trees to make poles. We'd helicopter around to different fires in the area. We were out there for weeks! Super fun and unique- really great folks to work with. It was funny seeing burly fire fighter guys speaking French.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Great thread, love the stories.
Cops pulled me over and made me pull down my pants on the side of the road one once. Another time they cut me off and pulled guns. Both times I was young, it was late at night, and they were looking for someone else. Just doing their job I guess. At least I never got shot. Being white probably helps.
G.R.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jody, ask the friendly hosers about the time their army gave away THOUSANDS of fully automatic rifles! After a while somebody said “Maybe that wasn’t a great idea, eh?” Then they asked for them back! LOL Quite a lot were not returned. PLEASE cut me some slack on the details as I didn’t take notes when my Canadian bro-in-law told me this.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Locker, ask John Gill if I climb.
Jody has always been a name dropper, gill, Croft, etc., but that doesn't make him a climber.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Awesome displays of AA in this thread, keep it up tough guys!
AA = American Arrogance
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WBraun
climber
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AA = American Arrogance
Meh .... you French pantyhose climbing pussies can't do sh!t anyways ..... :-)
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Meh backatcha...
That would be hosiery if you are talking about FrenchCanadians!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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But,but,.........Russ is coming to Vermont,to help tradman pack,
LOL.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 8, 2017 - 03:36am PT
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Not all of us. Quite a few appreciate how nice you guys and gals up north are. And yes just because we think you have a good thing going we are still americans and just wish that our fellow amereicans could be a little nicer and smarter. Seems that whenever we express the idea that it would be nice if america could get a bit nicer and smarter the st000pid mean ones amoung us invite us to leave...
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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So nice and considerate of Jebus to abbreviate. Did your people emigrate here from Canada?
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Freedom is free of the need to be free. Free your mind and your ass will follow.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Langtang Lirung
Wow.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nice try Tami, but there is no way you can make Canadians look worse than Americans!
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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that sh#t SHOULD. be illegal though, frostback, non?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 15, 2017 - 01:15pm PT
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So, Justin won’t send troops to Mali, eh? Kinda bigoted IMHO, especially in view of his gubmint’s expressed desire to spend billions on new fighter jets, that is until the little Bombardier contretemps. #butthurtmuch?
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Nov 15, 2017 - 05:14pm PT
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Lots of room but mostly in the cold North.
Canada is more urban than the US and we mostly live within 90 miles of the border
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Nov 15, 2017 - 07:32pm PT
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I guess we have had gay marriage for a while. I have gay neighbors who managed to adopt a son before they were officially married. It was not a difficult process.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 17, 2017 - 10:36am PT
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105 pages to fully exploit the bureaucratic potential in that insanity?
What’s next, a degree in Infantile Studies?
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