La Sportiva mountaineering boots: 1928-2000

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
This thread has been locked
Messages 1 - 67 of total 67 in this topic
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 18, 2017 - 10:22am PT

La Sportiva boots: 1928-2000. Well, lets say until 2008

From nothing I have for a couple of months started to collect La Sportiva mountaineering boots. I have decided to stick to La Sportiva as a rule, ready to break the rule as I like it. I have no idea what principles I should stick to collecting the boots, but I want emphasis on boots 1928-2000. I know a lot about La Sportiva climbing shoes, but next to nothing about La Sportiva boots. The intelligent thing to do would of course be to contact La Sportiva, so let us exclude that possibility and have fun constructing the history from fragments. People with knowledge about La Sportiva boots are invited to post on the thread and catalogs are welcome.

I know La Sportiva started in 1928 and I have found one photo of an early boot, but apart from this boot seldom seen anything made before the late 1960s:


Feel free to add old models.

Even when we come to the 1970s my confusion continues: What cues should we look for constructing the chronology? What models are key models needed to show the chronology of developments? Do we need to distinguish between male, female and unisex models to show the key developments?

Here's some boots - one after the other - possibly in chronological order. I usually don't know the name of the models. IF you know the name, let me know.

Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Oct 18, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
Nepals are awesome!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 18, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
I loved my Makalus.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Oct 18, 2017 - 06:21pm PT
I don't know much prior to 2000 other than during the 1990s the Makalu was ubiquitous. I'm keen to see a timeline emerge from your research.

the history since 2000 is interesting, with proven market successes being dropped, succeeded by models of dubious improvement (e.g. the silver Trango being replaced by the Ice Cube, the Batura being replaced by I guess the G-integer).
Ian Parsons

climber
UK, England
Oct 24, 2017 - 11:13am PT

Two or three years later I recall another model on sale in the UK; the Civetta, I think - which would fit in with a "mountain in the Dolomites" theme. It was light - possibly split leather rather than reversed full grain - and fairly stiff; aimed more at the Alpine/Eastern Alps rock-climbing market than winter/mixed. [Bear in mind that in the 1970s it was still common to wear "big boots" for that sort of stuff. I spent a few days in the Wetterstein with some climbers from Munich in 1974; most of them seemed to do all of their rock-climbing in items that in Britain would more usually have been reserved for Ben Nevis in winter, and didn't own normal rockboots at all.]
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Oct 24, 2017 - 11:26am PT
Marlow,

I take it from reading the OP you are collecting the actual boots, and not photographs.
Those three in the middle of your selection are in remarkably good shape!

Just guessing, I'd say the boot with the red scree cuff is mid/late 70s.
The other two, with full rubber rands, maybe early/mid 80s vintage.

I recall in the 90s, Jeff Lowe was a technical consultant and designed a range of their mountaineering boots with a gusseted tongue, including his name and/or signature.
Some included an inscription of their Climbing on the Moon tagline. I owned a pair for a time. High ankles with light tan uppers.

Recently tossed a range of their catalogs from the mid 2000s.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2017 - 11:38am PT

Tarbuster,

Yes, I am collecting.

Ian,

Do you know the exact year of that catalog?

Here's La Sportiva Himalaya from a 1967 catalog
Ian Parsons

climber
UK, England
Oct 24, 2017 - 12:19pm PT

Do you know the exact year of that catalog?

No - I can't find a date anywhere, but I think that 1970 is a fair bet; failing that, 1969. There are one or two clues:

 It includes guidebooks first published in 1969, but not others from the same series published in 1970.

 It doesn't include the Whillans Harness which first came on the market in, I think, late 1970 - surprisingly soon after the Annapurna South Face expedition.

 The prices are in old currency, ie pounds, shillings and pence. The UK switched to decimal currency [pounds and new pence] on 15 February 1971. The change obviously wasn't a secret, and one would be unlikely to launch a catalogue using an almost immediately out-of-date currency; ie it must be pre-1971.

I'm assuming that items first available in a particular year might well not be in time to feature in a catalogue for that year.

It's this one:

Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Oct 24, 2017 - 01:45pm PT
The pair in your collection with red collars and tongues would seem to be the height of the art for handcrafted boots with a Norwegian Welt.
A beautiful example, they appear to be nearly unused, if not new.

.......................

This model I believe was called the Trango Extreme, and would describe the upper end of your chronological range.
I purchased this pair in Chamonix, summer of 2000:



Prior to that, I had another pair, which I had purchased used, and I recall the model was introduced near the end of the 90s. At the time, Ed Sampson of La Sportiva said they were likely to be the last of the handmade boots made in a small Italian shop. The svelte contour of the toe boxes are excellent for climbing rock.

They were, when introduced, state-of-the-art for mixed climbing.

You can just make out the war-worn Thinsulate brand insulation tag near the top edge of the boot, at the bottom edge of the scree collar. I have a ton of mileage on both pair of boots, having primarily worn them for long scrambles in the Colorado Rockies, and some moderate snow and ice. I liked them for their relative light weight and excellent fit.

(This pair were re-soled and I had an extra layer of gray EVA added for walking comfort)
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Oct 24, 2017 - 02:46pm PT
Tar i have a pair of those same boots, plus the not so extreme uninsulated version, both from Marmot in Berkeley, when i 'worked" there. Both have tons of mileage-the uninsulated regular tango was my first choice for long 5th class days in the sierra, used em on whitney, russell, LPP, Sill, Emerson Humphreys etc-mine were resoled twice, once just the outsole, second time by Dave Page with everything from the welt down being made new again.However,they were never the same, not blaming Dave, just that full bottom resole is a tricky business. Consequently they were ditched in favor of some scarpa wall boot, made for just a few years which is the best alpine scrambler-Dave Page aint touching these!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Oct 24, 2017 - 06:05pm PT
Yes, David.

The original Trango was green.
Went through a few of those as well.

It's interesting Marlow,

I don't remember any Sportiva mountain boot advertisements in either MOUNTAIN, or CLIMBING throughout the mid-to-late 70s. Or even later. I think North American distribution was pretty light until the mid-80s when the Mariacher started happening. And even then, I don't remember mountain boot ads?

I'll look through my MOUNTAIN first 100 issues to confirm that, over time.

And BTW, I know you said this was cheating, or to be more precise, that you said you wanted to refrain from it, ["so let us exclude that possibility"] and I will withhold until you tell me otherwise, but I put a call into Jonathan Lantz, president of Sportiva North America, (sneaky sucker I am) to see what kind of resources might be available down the line ... (just to take a look-see) should you come to desire to employ some form of direct aid in achieving your goals here.
Ian Parsons

climber
UK, England
Oct 25, 2017 - 08:14am PT
Here's the La Sportiva Civetta, from a 1973 catalogue:


Although it looks familiar it's not in fact the boot that I mentioned upthread; I was clearly linking the design of one model with the name of another. The boot that I remember [and was called something else] was a more traditional alpine boot design: no rubber rand, "Terray Fitzroy" style of upper - ie tongue covered by a pair of flaps with a flexible gusset between them, light tan reversed or split leather, D-ring or D-ring and hook lacing, fairly stiff sole. Or not, if my memory's going off on its own somewhere!
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2017 - 11:32am PT

Tarbuster
There's one thing I appreciate more than mysteries:

Knowledge...

So: Go, go, Tarbuster...

Ian
I don't know what La Sportiva shoe you are searching for, but a pair of great Civettas like the one you posted in the photo above, is clearly on my wanted list...

perswig

climber
Oct 25, 2017 - 11:48am PT
The second pair down, with the rand, are burly and badass!

Dale
Ian Parsons

climber
UK, England
Oct 26, 2017 - 11:30am PT
Coming right at the end of your time range, Climbing Magazine Gear Guide issues list the following models [you may have all this]:

1997 - Trango Plus
- Lady Makalu
- Makalu
- K2
- K3
- Nepal Top

1998 - Trango Plus
- Lady Makalu
- Makalu
- Karakoram
- K3
- Nepal Top
- Nepal Extreme

1999 - Pacific Crest
- Himalaya
- Trango Plus
- Trango Extreme
- Bernina
- Makalu
- Makalu Lady
- Karakoram
- Karakoram GTX
- K3
- Nepal Top
- Nepal Extreme

Here's La Sportiva's ad from the 1997 issue [cropped to fit maximum file size]:

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2017 - 11:53am PT

Thanks, Ian

According to the list, the Nepal Extreme turns up in 1998. The Himalaya was there in 1967 and a Himalaya model turns up again in 1999.

I think few models seen pre 1999 not necessarily reflect few models made by La Sportiva at the time, but few models available in Britain. I could be wrong about this.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2017 - 12:16pm PT

The history of La Sportiva - from their website

In the Twenties, Thirties and Forties

Narciso Delladio hand-crafted wooden clogs and leather boots for many lumber-jacks and farmers of the Fassa and Fiemme valleys, who trusted his skilled hands. Very important is the date of a participation certificate at the Milan Trade Fair in 1928. During the Second World War, Delladio custom produced mountain boots that were supplied to the Army. Dating back to this period is a patent for a special lacing system, that later will be used by the most important footwear factories.

After the war

the demand for boots increased, obliging Narciso to hire new workers: the good name of "Calzoleria Sportiva" crossed the boarders of the valleys and reached the cities of Trento and Bolzano.

In the Fifties

his son Francesco began to work for the company, and by doing the right thing at the right time he started building a new workshop on the outskirts of Tesero, where today is located a large industrial area. In the new and roomy building they began to design and develop ski boots, for a fast growing sport, requiring more technical boots. The market opened up quickly and Francesco Delladio introduced the brand name "La Sportiva" firstly in the Milan Exhibition, then throughout Europe, with a winter collection characterised by audacious technical and aesthetic solutions, and a summer collection of traditional mountain boots.

In the Seventies

with the arrival of plastic boots, "La Sportiva", after a trial season, had to discontinue the production of ski boots, for financial reasons; the investment would have been too high and therefore the production was limited to mountain boots and cross-country skiing footwear. In the meantime the sons of Francesco began to work in the company: Lorenzo, Luciano, Marco. The desire to create, to stand out and to make a name for oneself in an ever increasing market is a characteristic present in the Delladio family.

During the Eighties

the focus of the firm moves towards the climbing sector due to an intuition which will prove to be a winner. An innovative shoe characterised by the colours purple and yellow was devised and produced to become the forerunner of a long series of avant-garde products, which very quickly will seal the success of the brand name world wide. The footwear manufacturer "La Sportiva" became a Ltd Co, owned exclusively by the Delladio family; very courageous technical and commercial solutions were studied and evaluated, that were optimised in a short time.


La Sportiva history: https://www.lasportiva.com/en/company
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Nov 5, 2017 - 01:57pm PT
Ran into Jonathan Lantz of Sportiva North America yesterday, and he giggled some in reference to my request for information, because he said, coincidentally, they are putting together a presentation on Sportiva history, which will include an archival installation showcasing a selection of footwear spanning the decades.

The projected date for its implementation at their main offices in Boulder Colorado is May of 2018. I asked if, once it is up and running, I might be able to take some photographs and post them here and he said that would be fine.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2017 - 09:47am PT

"... he giggled some in reference to my request for information..."

haha...I guess it's a good choice to have the history of the firm under your own control... and not leave it to fragments of speculation on a forum...

Please share later...
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 6, 2017 - 07:38pm PT
So...you are clearly not just a "sport climber". LOL
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Nov 6, 2017 - 08:59pm PT
Thus spake Marlow:
haha...I guess it's a good choice to have the history of the firm under your own control... and not leave it to fragments of speculation on a forum...
That was funny, Marlow! And you are dead on the money ...
Particularly in that he didn't want me posting up fragments of their project before they have it neat and tidy, presentable, and complete. Jonathan is a good man.

Please share later...

And yes when the time comes: will do, with all possible enthusiasm!
In the meantime, I am excited to see what you come up with in terms of representative and collectible examples.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2017 - 11:31am PT

Tarbuster.

If you consider buying another pair of Trango Extreme and size 42 fits you, here they are: https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-LA-Sportiva-Moutain-Hiking-Climbing-Boot-Made-In-Italy-42-Black-Yellow-LE/312007240085?hash=item48a514a995:g:8DoAAOSwoR9aEvfg


A couple of new boots have been added to the OP. Models: Nepal Top and Batura, first generation.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 8, 2017 - 09:14pm PT
Thanks for the heads up Marlow. (I saw your post before they were sold).
The pair I have in fact are size 42, but nowadays I need a 43.

Perhaps you have seen these, very similar to the first boot in your OP, but in better shape:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Vintage-La-Sportiva-Made-in-Italy-Mountaineering-Boots-39/122846258528?hash=item1c9a352560:g:rDEAAOSwv-ZaJvFI
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Dec 8, 2017 - 09:55pm PT
For several decades i searched for boots ok for alpine rock climbing and also able to hold a crampon. Blue Robbins and Shoenards were candidates, along with various European alpine boots. In my experience most mountain boots are very poor for rock climbing.

The first one that I really liked is the 1980s versions of the La Sportiva Trango, that is still a favorite and I have several pair.
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Dec 9, 2017 - 07:53am PT
Tom i agree-the original trangos climb well and work great with crampons. Scarpa made a similar boot for only a few years, the mescalito-sold as an aid boot but perfect for summer fall alpine climbing in the Sierra-used them on lots of 5th class routes...
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2018 - 10:02am PT

A new pair has been added in the OP

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 4, 2018 - 12:50pm PT
Every time that I was able to climb just one grade harder than before in the 80s I was always wearing Sportivos. Great shoes.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jan 4, 2018 - 03:13pm PT
I have some Trango Extremes bought on a trip to Chamonix that need resoling - Who should I use?

The rubber sole isn't fully worn out, but they are peeling off and the front black filler strip between the real rubber and the green plastic has disintegrated.
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Jan 4, 2018 - 05:18pm PT
"Up and running." Now that is going to be interesting.........

cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 07:46am PT
Hi, I am glad to see this thread, as I am trying to identify two models of old La Sportiva boots. I have some photos, but first, a question:
Can the boot say "Walking on the Moon" but also be a "Makalu" or even perhaps some other model, or is "Walking on the Moon" the only specific model name? This is on the tongue logo tag. It is a women's boot. (Backstory: someone sold me this boot telling me it was a Makalu but it says Walking on the Moon.)
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2018 - 07:57am PT

Cybele.

La Sportiva used Climbing On The Moon on their shoes for some years.

Here's a catalog:


And this is what you could see on the shoes during the years:

cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 08:10am PT
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2018 - 08:12am PT

Climbing on the moon - Walking on the moon... :o)
cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 08:20am PT
The above pic from the tongue, and these pics below, are from one pair of the boots I am trying to identify. Later below I will post the other. The boot seller represented these as "Makalu" model but I am not sure it's right.
cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 08:26am PT
Here are my old tried and true favorite ice climbing boots. I would love to identify these too, so I can search for a replacement.Here are the two boots size by side. See the difference in toe box height? It's a huge difference. And the darker boots with the duct tape say 41 and the lighter "Walking on the Moon" boot says 40, so the difference in toe box is surprising. I think one is a man's boot and one women's, perhaps. THis might account for the difference...as well as it being a different model.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2018 - 08:28am PT

It looks like an early pair of Makalus to me. Here's a photo of another even earlier pair:


I believe the greyer shoes are a later pair of Makalus.

Here's a link to some Makalus currently seen on eBay.com: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xla+sportiva+makalu.TRS0&_nkw=la+sportiva+makalu&_sacat=0


There might be two versions of the Makalus. There is a difference between the two models in the cover of heal and toe. Your early shoe is well protected, like this shoe:


Maybe there is a less well protected walking/trekking model and a well protected climbing/ice climbing model?


Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Feb 10, 2018 - 08:51am PT
La Sportiva Makalu: I had a pair of those for a while, given to me as an exchange for some work I performed.
Didn't feel handcrafted, not stiff enough in the footbed, and I didn't care for them much.

The label had a Jeff Lowe signature on it, maybe in addition to the Walking on the Moon tagline.
Much like these, posted by Pud, here on the forum back in 2010:



http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=820516&msg=1081398#msg1081398

…………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

Cybee: the boot you are looking for was much better insulated.
They were black and extra high at the ankle. Might be called the K2.

Here's a pair in size 40.5 on eBay:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sportiva-Mens-Size-40-5-K2-Ice-Climbing-Hiking-Mountaineering-Boots/202172033222?hash=item2f126468c6:g:uPsAAOSwsE1aEc1E
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2018 - 08:56am PT
Here's the current La Sportiva website. The walking/trekking model is called Glacier, while the better protected model is called Makalu:
https://www.sportiva.com/women-s/women-s-footwear.html?activity=619#manaFilters

La Sportiva K2: https://imged.pl/nowe-buty-gorskie-la-sportiva-k2-38-3151819.html


Cybele and Tarbuster.

Thanks for the trip... it gave me a steep learning curve... :o)
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2018 - 09:14am PT

A current La Sportiva Makalu from their website today


Cybele.

My best guess is that this is the shoe you are searching for...
cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 09:15am PT
SO confusing! Thanks everyone. I've emailed La Sportiva to see if they have an old-timer around there who can help me identify precisely. I'm probably going to a cobbler to have the sole reattached on my duct taped boots. The lighter colored ones were a failed effort from Ebay. I think the seller misidentified them. She did misidentify the size for sure, at least.

Tarbuster, thanks so much for posting the new auction! but as I am looking at some of the seller's other pics of the current ebay post, I see those are the "On the Moon" ones and not like mine. The Ebay ones you posted also seem to have a slightly lower profile toe that sort of slopes down. My trusty ice boots (the darker, duct taped ones in the pics I posted) say "Mountain" on the tag, not "Walking on the Moon" and the toe bed is arguably a bit boxier. This difference becomes extreme in the two models I have here at my house. Despite being similar length (101/2 inches and 11 inches outer sole). This huge difference is best seen from the side-by-side pics I posted. I can't even get my foot in the little pair. I think the model you've posted is the men's and roomier than these silly little boots the seller sent me, but I'm still wary to try another "Moon" version.

As for the labels of the Jeff Lowe series, neither of my boots currently in my possession have that. I have seen that label on Ebay though.

I kind of like climbing with the duct tape fashion. It was fun at the Ouray ice park last week. I proudly wore them. People looked. Lol. No need for $700 boots.
cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 09:21am PT
Bill Leo from Ouray Mountain Sports said this week that he sees the Makalu more as a hiking /trekking boot than a vertical ice boot. I do see in the picture, Marlow, that you posted of the tan Makalu, the sole curves up a bit toward the toe. A good boot for vertical ice should probably be flat, how the K2 looks, no? It is so hard to tell from pics though. And few stores anywhere have small sizes actually in stock I can try, even if I wanted new model boots.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Feb 10, 2018 - 09:29am PT
Concerning the eBay size 40.5 Sportiva K2: I see what you mean about the toe box, Cybele. Not so boxy.

Except that the pair you posted are so covered in duct tape it's hard to directly compare to the used K2 on offer at eBay.

Ray Olson had a pair of the K2 and remarked how well insulated they were as compared to other single boots on offer at the time from Sportiva.

And yes, the Makalu was more of a trekker.
cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 09:44am PT
Here they are. Tongue label says Mountain with the guy climbing. Too bad wrong size.https://www.ebay.com/itm/La-Sportiva-Italy-Mountain-Gore-Tex-Mens-45-5-12-Mountaineering-Hiking-Boots/253386003197?hash=item3afefb92fd:g:FAcAAOSwY~laP6KW
cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 09:48am PT
Lol, Tarbuster, yah I saw no need to scrimp on Dollar Tree duct tape. When the sole separated up in Cody a few weeks ago Erik cleverly swedged a wire around the sole & toe then I added duct tape to protect/waterproof. The duct tape on the other boot is really just to make it match. I do have some standards for my duct taped fashions, after all. :)

My feet almost never got cold in 14 years of ice climbing in these duct taped wonders. Bought em for $40 off some chick at the ice park in probably 2004.

Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Feb 10, 2018 - 10:05am PT
Erik cleverly swedged a wire around the sole & toe then I added duct tape to protect/waterproof.
Ha! The man is an artist with a swedger and a roll of duct tape!

(Stole that line from a movie called Miller's Crossing, wherein a gangster boss, after putting down his would be attackers with their own weapon, is described as an artist with a Tommy Gun.

The line comes after (not shown here) this somewhat lengthy (if poorly reproduced) scene:

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Feb 10, 2018 - 10:08am PT
My feet almost never got cold in 14 years of ice climbing in these duct taped wonders. Bought em for $40 off some chick at the ice park in probably 2004.
^^^
I really think you are describing a pair of Sportiva K2. (From the 1990s).
Ray Olson said he was standing around in his while other guys were getting frostbite, and he remained safe & toasty.

Look very closely at the two ribs of foam up at the ankle on your black boot and on the eBay K2. Same boot.

[edit] Except a half size smaller, which could change everything, and not for the better in terms of warmth.
cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 11:43am PT
ok Tar lol too funny Erik just watched the shootout. He said, "that must be the longest clip [not the video clip, the gun clip] in the universe." Or is it called a drum? Or a magazine? The guy shot thousands of bullets and just kept going. I like it.
Uh oh, I predict thread drift...LET'S TALK ABOUT GUNS!!!! Hahahaha
cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 11:45am PT
The comment about the ribs is very helpful. The tongue logo does not match but when I hear back from Sportiva I can point out details like the ribs! Sometimes I don't notice things like this.
cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 10, 2018 - 11:47am PT
Google says a belt? Ammo belt?
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Feb 10, 2018 - 01:43pm PT
Thompson submachine gun had drum capacities of either 50 or 100 rounds.


That gang boss from Miller's Crossing would have needed belt feed to snap off as many rounds as he did, and that system is impractical when firing the weapon while walking down the street in pajamas!
https://www.quora.com/In-a-Light-Machine-Gun-would-you-prefer-having-a-Belt-Fed-system-or-a-Box-Fed-system-Why

.........................................................

Cybele, I wonder if you should be looking at a Sportiva Nepal?

This is a reasonably warm single boot designed and built for mountaineering/ice climbing, and there are usually a good range of them on eBay.

At least four different generations/builds to choose from: Nepal Top, Nepal Extreme, Nepal Evo GTX, Nepal Cube.


Nepal Top:
(Less insulation)



Nepal Extreme:
(The heaviest of all the iterations)



Nepal Evo GTX:
(Lighter weight iteration of the extreme)



Nepal Cube GTX:
(Cube is the newest, stiffest, lightest, warmest, and feel to me like they are built with slightly higher volume over the foot)


..............................................................

Examples of used Nepal Evo GTX/Women's:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/La-Sportiva-Womens-Nepal-Evo-GTX-Boot-EU-Size-37-5-Color-Lime-Green-Style-281/361638546656?hash=item5433564ce0:g:adoAAOSwkl5XgDc5

https://www.ebay.com/itm/La-Sportiva-Women-s-Nepal-EVO-GTX-B3-Mountain-Boots-Size-Size-UK6-EUR-39-6/192445058217?epid=19014237681&hash=item2cce9e8ca9:g:dUkAAOSwMEtadDNa
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Feb 14, 2018 - 12:37am PT
Just to finish up on the boot Cybele was interested in identifying and replacing.
Did a little more digging, and found the more insulated black Sportiva model from the 90s/2000s was not the K2, but the K3.

And I think the K3 is what Ray Olson a.k.a. FROG was using, which he said were extremely warm for a single boot.

The look is very similar to the black 90s iteration of the K2 (picture on previous page, that I compared with Cybele's duct tape repaired pair), which likely precedes the red colored Sportiva K2 model from the early 2000s (see Marlow's post on the previous page).

Specifically, Cybele described a higher volume toe box, and this might be it here, seen below in this early 2000s Sportiva K3:



Cybele's boot for comparison:


^^^ This is a pretty good matchup, better than the one I offered on the previous page:
Look at the dual foam ribs at the scree collar/snow cuff, and also the gray-black composite sole/welt area of both boots.

Description of the K3 from the seller:
Purchased around 2004. An insulated, taller and stiffer version of the legendary Makalu mountain boot - these are fantastic all around climbing and winter mountaineering boots - only selling because I have Nepal Tops as well. Made it Italy and suitable for step-in/automatic crampons.
https://www.geartrade.com/item/496897/la-sportiva-k3-mountaineering-boots-classic-excellent-condition

................................

*Not sure how much this detail matters, but the label on the tongue of those K3, seen in further pictures on the link I provided, says "Mountain" as opposed to "Walking on the Moon".

My wife has a pair of Sportiva K4S (very well insulated single boots), and in those boots, which are either of the same generation or even postdate the K3 (early 2000s), the tongue also happens to the have the "Walking on the Moon" label.

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2018 - 08:16am PT

Tarbuster.

Great digging. The K3 looks like Cybele shoe BINGO!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Feb 14, 2018 - 08:20am PT
Agreed!

And to support that conclusion,
check out Ian Parsons scan of the models from the first page:
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2018 - 08:23am PT

Ah... not much digging needed, only awareness... ^^^^
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Feb 14, 2018 - 08:26am PT
I know, right?
Just when I think I'm a good reader, I come to find it isn't always so.
phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Feb 14, 2018 - 08:32am PT
Cybele, should you change your mind and decide you want new boots, Zappo’s carrys a few La Sportiva boots in women’s sizes, like the Ice Cube. Since they have free shipping and free shipping returns, it’s a good option.
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Feb 14, 2018 - 08:37am PT
I used to climb in the red K2's and a friend had the black K3's. Warm boots (the K3's).

She doesn't ice climb much at all anymore, and, they're pretty minty.

Cybele, what size?
cybele

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 16, 2018 - 07:29am PT
Wow, I didn't look online for a week and POW! Thanks everyone for considering my boot search! La Sportiva got back to me and said yup, they were K3s, so Tarbuster, you are validated! :) Funny, I looked at Ian Parson's scan from way near the beginning of the post, and thought I looked close enough...sigh, how the mind plays tricks. Brian that's really nice of you to ask. The pair I have been using for years says 41 on the tongue, and that size is fine, but they are a bit clunky of course, and I wonder if I could be ok with a smaller size. Not sure. If they even seem close to the right size in either direction I'd love to try them on! BTW wanna sell me an Ushba Basic? I am searching. I shoulda got one when they were for sale in Ouray.

I did buy the Ebay pair Tar found, a 40.5 on maybe a K2 or whatever that was. I got them at 14.99 plus 13 shipping. Worth a try, for sure. I think they will be at the post office today. But Brian, even if the Ebay pair does fit, I sure don't mind owning a couple pairs of ice boots because that way I won't ever have to pay $500 for some pretty-looking new yellow set, lol.

I also am pleased that I can now tease Erik because he always thought my humble-looking mystery boots sucked and I swore to him they didn't!!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Jul 23, 2018 - 06:23pm PT
Okay Marlow!
I'm not on location and can't really get their due to disabilities ...

HOWEVER: this just in, being sent to me from my man on the scene at the Outdoor Retailer tradeshow in Denver.









 The raw files are 550-770 KB, and the resolution for the text is much better than the Supertopo picture function will allow.

 I can happily transfer the originals to you and you'll see that they magnify quite well on your computer.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2018 - 08:35am PT

Tarbuster.

Thanks for the photos. I'm able to see both year and name of the shoe.

If this is the first La Sportiva shoe:

And the Expedition shoe you posted is from the 1970s,

Then I am quite sure the second shoe I posted predates the Expedition shoe by some years, so possibly from the 1960s.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Jul 25, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
More goodies for the Sportiva historical grab bag.
From this year's OR show:












To my mind, the last two leather mountaineering boots, black and brown uppers respectively, are gorgeous examples of the craft.
Sof

Mountain climber
Athens / Greece
Dec 28, 2018 - 02:57am PT
[photoid=548032]
Hi guys , was wondering about La Sportiva Nepal boots history too!
You can take one question mark off your list.
The unspecified in the previous post are the Nepal Alto Flex , bought them most probably in 1992.
Sof

Mountain climber
Athens / Greece
Dec 28, 2018 - 02:58am PT
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 28, 2018 - 07:24am PT
He shoots! He scores!!
Nepal Alto Flex!!!
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2018 - 07:35am PT

Tarbuster and Sof. Thanks for the info. The OP has been updated with the name of the Alto Flex. Sof: Do you know the name of any of the other unnamed shoes in the OP?
Scrubber

climber
Straight outta Squampton
Apr 18, 2019 - 03:50pm PT
Found an interesting old pair at the local thrift shop today. Anyone recognize vintage?
Scrubber

climber
Straight outta Squampton
Apr 18, 2019 - 03:50pm PT
Found an interesting old pair at the local thrift shop today. Anyone recognize vintage?
Messages 1 - 67 of total 67 in this topic
Return to Forum List
 
Our Guidebooks
spacerCheck 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks

guidebook icon
Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Recent Route Beta