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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Oct 15, 2017 - 04:13pm PT
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Where is the Maze Loop Trail?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Oct 15, 2017 - 04:21pm PT
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That report says they were found north of the trail. I wonder if they were trying to make it to town.
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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Oct 15, 2017 - 04:37pm PT
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Says they were found north of the Maze loop trail which would be closer to park blvd...I'm guessing near the backside of the Negropolis.
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John M
climber
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Oct 15, 2017 - 05:11pm PT
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The green are trails. The blue over green is the Maze loop. White is the park road. The water spigot symbol is the west entrance. Maze Loop parking is 1.7 miles from the West entrance station.
Seems like north of the trail would put them away from park blvd as the blvd is west and south of the trail.
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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Oct 15, 2017 - 05:17pm PT
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The green trail is the North View trail so the recovery area would be between the two...in any case still closer to park blvd than hwy 62.
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John M
climber
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Oct 15, 2017 - 05:19pm PT
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in any case still closer to park blvd than hwy 62.
Ah.. I see what you meant. Yes.. 62 is quite a ways away.
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Donno
Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
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Oct 15, 2017 - 07:39pm PT
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Why is it ‘good work’ for SAR to find dead bodies in the desert?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 15, 2017 - 08:22pm PT
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Good on JOSAR for finding them. Condolences to family/friends.
I find it ironic that in so many of these cases, the victims are found within a relatively short distance from their Last Known Point, in this case, their car. Seems like they were no more than about 1-1/2 miles away.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Oct 15, 2017 - 08:30pm PT
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Whether something is "ironic" can be a bit in the eye of the beholder, at least in general.
But here (as is often the case), Ken is simply mistaken; there is nothing even slightly ironic about this.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Oct 15, 2017 - 08:41pm PT
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I don't know why the shot at Ken, but he doesn't seem far off:
One def. of irony: "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects"
Does one EXPECT to die so close to salvation? Maybe we should, but I don't. So perhaps some irony. Damn sad, regardless.
BAd
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Oct 15, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
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I don't know why the shot at Ken, but he doesn't seem far off:
One def. of irony: "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects"
Does one EXPECT to die so close to salvation? Maybe we should, but I don't. So perhaps some irony. Damn sad, regardless.
BAd
I'm sorry, but even using your definition, it is simply not "ironic," not in the slightest.
Ken wrote that this happens in "so many of these cases."
How could something be "ironic" if it happens in so many cases?
And how could any reasonable person be surprised that people who expire in the desert are usually not super far either from where from where they started or from some other source of help?
Do you really think most victims make a beeline from their car to the middle of nowhere, get out in the middle of nowhere, and then expire?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 15, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
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Oh, yes, do let us display our various virtues by arguing semantics.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Oct 15, 2017 - 09:07pm PT
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I retract what I said on the other thread. I thought one was injured, and the other one went for help, and got lost. Appears that they died together. Seems strange that they couldn't retrace their steps.
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KP Ariza
climber
SCC
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Oct 15, 2017 - 09:19pm PT
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Spot on Rielly
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 15, 2017 - 09:55pm PT
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hey there say,locker...
thank you for sharing the news link...
was sad, then, and is still sad... :(
my condolences to the family and loved ones, and,
sure wish they had been found in time--
as we all do, but, understandably, these situations
'lead the lost' into what our BEST rescuers, can only
keep SEARCHING and hope for:
that spot... their 'goal' ...
sadly, many times, it is found, too late, :(
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 16, 2017 - 06:05am PT
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I wish they'd been found in time too. Very sad. I am glad thier parents have closure. Condolences to anyone who knew them.
I was in your camp Steve- I sort of predicted they would be found separated. Regardless...I definitely knew they weren't the victims of some conspiracy and would eventually be found. It's just a really complicated landscape to try to search.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Oct 16, 2017 - 06:19am PT
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R.I.P.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Oct 16, 2017 - 07:03am PT
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I too hope they find some confirmation and that the families are able to have some closure after what must have been a terrifying and desperate ordeal. Well done SAR and all involved. These "missing persons" in the wild stories are always sadly compelling and intriguing and often don't end with any closure. Glad this one might end up with some answers.
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