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L
climber
Just Livin' the Dream...
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Aug 13, 2017 - 04:05pm PT
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Awwww c'mon Matt...you know Sasha's an "anomaly", right? wink, wink
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 13, 2017 - 04:08pm PT
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Hahaha Matt, can you make him a weekly digest of awesome female accomplishments? Since he needs help seeing patterns ;)
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 13, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
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So would you agree, Kevin, that all top male climbers are also anomalies?
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 13, 2017 - 04:36pm PT
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Bottom line
Male and female are never ever materially or subtle materially equal ever.
They are different both physically and in consciousness.
The biggest difference is consciousness ......
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L
climber
Just Livin' the Dream...
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Aug 13, 2017 - 04:48pm PT
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Margo stopped to pull off her hoodie while leading La Rambla 5.15a.
Can you say SUPER ANOMALY?
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Matt's
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
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.Hahaha Matt, can you make him a weekly digest of awesome female accomplishments? Since he needs help seeing patterns ;)
Yes, the general plan was a personalized weekly news update to keep him abreast of female climbing news.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 13, 2017 - 05:05pm PT
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Male and female are never ever materially or subtle materially equal ever.
Since, like they say, you can't compare sandstone to Sanskrit, then maybe
"... materially the same", might be mo bettah.
Any monkey or great ape, despite a wide range of strength to weight ratios, could out climb any human male or female with one hand tied behind his/her back.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2036470/Slacklining-Paddy-Gorilla
So wwhat's the point?
Hardly a woman on site, but what are those kids doing there?
Carrying a baby no less
One handed and carrying a baby - sure why not
Clearly da menz & da wwiimenz outa their separate but equal leagues
Addendum:
Notice that apes don't waste their time bragging about sh_it on the Internet?
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BrassNuts
Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
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Aug 13, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
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I wonder how things would stack up if the same number of women had been active in climbing as men over the same time period... I bet we would have heard "It goes boys" a lot more often :-)
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Aug 13, 2017 - 08:24pm PT
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It's not like Warbler posted a womanifesto and got fired for it.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Aug 13, 2017 - 10:04pm PT
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My problem is with the few outspoken feminists who believe men are holding women back from equal performance in the climbing world,
Interesting turn of phrase.
A. I'm not sure anyone suggested or said "men are holding" women back from climbing performance. Your argument, each time, seemed to suggest that each time a woman did something challenging, even for men, it was an anomaly, not hard work, drive, skill and relentless passion to push and succeed. Which I think both male and female climbers have in common.
B. "Outspoken feminists". Well the unstated subtext of that choice of words is that women damn well better stfu.
Susan
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 14, 2017 - 08:41am PT
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For Warbles:
The Navy announced yesterday that the first woman SEAL candidate has dropped out of preliminary screening training.
The Marines also announced that after 29 women failed to pass the infantry officer training there is one still in it. She must be some kinda badazz.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Aug 14, 2017 - 08:42am PT
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I don't really have a horse in this race but Warbler did NOT call all of these great achievements by women anomalies. He called Lynn's ascent of the nose one but that is it. Don't make sh!t up just for the sake of your argument.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 14, 2017 - 09:26am PT
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It is an anomaly for anyone, male or female, to climb at the level of the climbs being dusgussed.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 14, 2017 - 09:27am PT
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Because of warblers posts here, the modern feminist's scientists are now busy in their secret labs to create the super woman to prove him wrong.
The super woman will do everything that man can do but 100 times better.
Then the men will have to produce Superman to get ahead again.
And around and around it goes in this stoopid world of gross materialists.
That's why the wheel is there ........
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 14, 2017 - 09:40am PT
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Example: Matt's posts two threads, in both he's celebrating the accomplishments of female climbers, because they're females.
Bruh, Matt is trolling you. He is not celebrating female accomplishments because they're achieved by women, he is is celebrating female accomplishments because he knows that the celebration of female accomplishments will make you mad. He's not trying to argue with you; he's making fun of you for the fact that you will take every opportunity to sh#t on the abilities of women.
And, of course, because we're predictable, it will always be followed by Tami, Susan, kingtut, etc (and me, I guess), earnestly and hopelessly believing that equality is achievable and that the staunch old defenders of sexism will someday see the light ;)
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 14, 2017 - 09:44am PT
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The wild thing is that woman may eventually be equal to (or possibly but less likely surpass) men in climbing.
That is not going to happen in most sports. Women on average aren't as big and strong as men. And the anomalies reflect the mean.
But climbing isn't about being big and strong (strong in an absolute sense, not strength to weight). And women are establishing a track record of accomplishments close to what men have done, which is not the case in many other sports. IMO I think it is possible that as more women climb and a higher percentage of the most dedicated and talented people are women we'll see a higher percentage of the top accomplishments done by women. Will they equal/surpass men? It's an uphill battle (sorry for the pun) but IMO it's in the realm of possibility, while it's NOT going to happen with many sports.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of grip strength to body weight among the top male and female climbers. Of course that's not everything but it would give an indication.
Women have a lower center of gravity compared to men. I would think this would be an advantage in slacklining, but not sure if it would help or hurt in climbing.
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Aug 14, 2017 - 09:57am PT
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WBraun said:
Bottom line
Male and female are never ever materially or subtle materially equal ever.
They are different both physically and in consciousness.
The biggest difference is consciousness ......
And you would know about women's consciousness how, Werner? Have you been both male and female??
Or were you just trolling? ;-)
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Aug 14, 2017 - 10:03am PT
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Werner has of course lived many lives and we are all sure that some of those have been as women.
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Aug 14, 2017 - 10:14am PT
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All this talk of Lynn on the Nose but none of when Ines beat the top male ice climbers of the day at Ouray.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 14, 2017 - 10:18am PT
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Signed copy of Anomaly Farm by Warlber Worral.
$200. Mint condition.
Contact MFM.
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Matt's
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2017 - 10:24am PT
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Bruh, Matt is trolling you. He is not celebrating female accomplishments because they're achieved by women, he is is celebrating female accomplishments because he knows that the celebration of female accomplishments will make you mad. He's not trying to argue with you; he's making fun of you for the fact that you will take every opportunity to sh#t on the abilities of women.
And, of course, because we're predictable, it will always be followed by Tami, Susan, kingtut, etc (and me, I guess), earnestly and hopelessly believing that equality is achievable and that the staunch old defenders of sexism will someday see the light ;)
I'm not quite sure, still, why I'm posting these things on supertopo. I don't actually think I can change anyone's views of the world.
I guess I got riled up when Warbler was posting about how women don't climb hard, don't climb scary things, don't do FAs, etc... It seemed like the best thing to do was to highlight what women are actually doing, right now, in 2017. The answer last week was a 5.13D R first ascent. The answer this week was a 5.14B big wall in Madagascar. People can decide for themselves whether that measures up to what the men are doing. From my perspective, those sorts of accomplishments, on a man's resume, would be enough to become a "professional climber."
best,
matt
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 14, 2017 - 10:31am PT
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I am taking an unemotional position
I think you might be the most emotional non-banned person on this forum...
edit: Lol, I wasn't implying you've said anything that would warrant banning; I just thought the statement deserved a qualifier since there have been so many true nuts over the years, and you're far from that level of crazy.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Aug 14, 2017 - 10:35am PT
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It's an anomaly for men and women to understand each other.
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 14, 2017 - 10:49am PT
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I'm not quite sure, still, why I'm posting these things on supertopo. I don't actually think I can change anyone's views of the world.
I guess I got riled up when Warbler was posting about how women don't climb hard, don't climb scary things, don't do FAs, etc... It seemed like the best thing to do was to highlight what women are actually doing, right now, in 2017.
I always thought it was something like: you can't change the mind of someone very set in their beliefs, but by engaging with such a person, perhaps you can bring attention to 1) the continued existence of outdated views, 2) the encouraging fact that most people in 2017 (not even on supertopo!) do not hold those views, and 3) the reasons why those outdated views are outdated, for those observers on the fence.
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L
climber
Just Livin' the Dream...
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Aug 14, 2017 - 12:41pm PT
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...and all you other heforshes and feminists...
Gosh KW...you say that like it's a bad thing.
LOL!
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Aug 14, 2017 - 01:05pm PT
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Don't change the subject, hon
Oh that's rich.
Not making stuff up. If it's not an "anomaly" then it's special adaptation certain women have, I.e. Being petite, having small fingers, etc. that suddenly give them the "edge".
Oh and ha, ha, my "feminist sisters". I'm not 20 any more.
Susan
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 14, 2017 - 01:13pm PT
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All this talk of Lynn on the Nose but none of when Ines beat the top male ice climbers of the day at Ouray.
Oplopanax, 2005 at Ouray, when Ines "beat not only all the women, but the men as well"
Clearly another ANOMALY..... just like that Alex H guy..... ;-)
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 14, 2017 - 01:57pm PT
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Didn't the hubers brother put up long 5.14 routes in the 90's?
Congrats to Edu and his girlfriend
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 14, 2017 - 02:03pm PT
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Why make it a competition?
I dunno ask OP.
There is one guy vocal about this issue and an echo chamber of folks trying to say the sky is orange and the emperor looks great. If you really don't care the don't participate in the "discussion."
Yes men can, as a user group and painting broadly, climb harder than women. Not Man, men. Not Woman, women. Whether you choose to interpret this data or ignore it is up to you. Superman beats king kongs ass every day and twice on Thursday, you can think that is interesting or ignore it, both discussions are about as useful.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 14, 2017 - 02:07pm PT
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But here you are all the same.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 14, 2017 - 02:11pm PT
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The only distinct advantage I see that men have over women is in alpine climbing. It's easier for men to piss in the nasty conditions alpine climbing serves up.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 14, 2017 - 02:16pm PT
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I think it's interesting that a fact, or facts, get an interpretation like this.
Switch it up, make Kevin from Chad. Imagine if he posted articles and graphs about how African dicks are way bigger than American dicks. We could feel all kinds of ways about ourselves, our own tiny dicks, we could even accuse him of all kinds of heresay. In the end he is right, and no matter how much we label or smear him it rings true. As wrong as our African Kevin might be about tangential issues surrounding it, or his interpretation of what that data might mean (African men are better lovers, his immunity to certain insecurities, whatever), data still stands.
You can choose not to care about the data, Kevin might be misinterpreting it, but it's there just like your tiny dicks.
After all, this whole discussion is nothing more than a dick measuring contest anyway.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Aug 14, 2017 - 02:21pm PT
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GDavis ha just summed up this entire thread and the other one just like it.
Wouldn't it be rad if Supertopo had a mechanism that immediately deleted an entire thread after somebody summed it up and encapsulated it perfectly, rendering all further discussion moot and pointless. Poof! Gone. Mic drop.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Aug 14, 2017 - 03:23pm PT
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Kevin that's rad work.
And its taken me everything in my power not to make the "Kevin's got wood....hee hee" comment.
And yeah, thanks to GDavis, I think you should go by African Kevin from here on out.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Aug 14, 2017 - 06:33pm PT
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Warbler:
That's some damn proud wood.
Probably took massive hands to handle that wood, though I hear they are a disadvantage on the Nose's roof pitch ;-)
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Aug 16, 2017 - 02:47pm PT
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I'm holdin out for a girl who knows her place.
If she isn't on a top rope or in the kitchen, she can't live in Warbtown!
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Aug 16, 2017 - 04:03pm PT
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Seemed too easy this time. I was expecting second year of this argument would bring some original content....kind of sad by lack of entertainment here. Will go watch the Man Show and drink beer.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 16, 2017 - 07:23pm PT
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