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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 20, 2017 - 05:54pm PT
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If a foreign good friend randomly called you excited and he had illegally entered the USA and is looking for work. What would you do?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 20, 2017 - 05:57pm PT
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I'd do what I did several weeks ago....help him/her.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jul 20, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
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1-800-SESSIONS....
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 20, 2017 - 07:04pm PT
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Call an immigration attorney friend and get some ideas to legalize him. I would also personally help him if necessary
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 20, 2017 - 07:08pm PT
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The first immigrants, American Indians, were too late in pulling up the drawbridge.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 20, 2017 - 07:40pm PT
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well, in a hypothetical world ... what you did would yield a different result from what you didn't
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 20, 2017 - 07:50pm PT
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I immigrated. Legally. Not hard at all. Why would people do it illegally? I would tell them to turn around and do it legally.
All of my friends did too. And my wife. To either USA or Canada. The ones I know who did it illegally have harder lives because they choose to do everything the hard way. Maybe easier at first, but harder over time.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jul 20, 2017 - 08:14pm PT
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I immigrated. Legally.
Yeah, with a post-graduate degree, and from a country not on the sh#t list.
Not everyone has that pedigree.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 20, 2017 - 08:17pm PT
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No. I got the degeees in the USA after.
And all my friends from iran and Romania and Hungary and Haiti and African countries who did it right didn't have degrees etc.
Crazy. I come back to supertopo after two years and there are only 40 threads active per day (still some of the same political ones active), people being jerks and attacking everyone, when did it jump the shark?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jul 20, 2017 - 08:26pm PT
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No. I got the degeees in the USA after.
Then I apologize.
But still, like me, you probably had advantages that not everyone has, something that made you seem more worthy in the eyes of the US govt than someone else.
The world will be a better place if we can figure out how to eliminate borders.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 20, 2017 - 09:18pm PT
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I immigrated. Legally. Not hard at all.
You have no clue about immigration, interesting personal anecdotes do not constitute the actual law
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 20, 2017 - 10:07pm PT
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Just like the person who wins the lottery states "it was easy!"
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
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His brother is pissed off, I quote, "I hope Trump catches him and sends him home". I wish the best for my friend. His wife and son are somewhere trying to cross.
It was strange giving him updates on his friends back home. Heck, I live in TN, but it troubles me and he sounded lonely asking about home. Grrrrrr one of those...
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c wilmot
climber
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Jul 21, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
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He called you but ...is reliant on you to contact his family for him??
Has he not heard of the internet?
Tell him to go to the local library and e mail his family.
And if he wants work- just look for the "bi lingual preferred" jobs...
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2017 - 07:00am PT
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Wilmot,
He comes from an area without roads, power, running water etc... Let alone email. I have been talking with his brother. I have spent many fun weeks with him exploring the jungle.
He has a job and was excited about his salary and boss. He does speak several languages.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 22, 2017 - 06:13pm PT
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If he wants help I could guide him through the paperwork to do it right. My brother in law didn't and had years of headaches and limited income etc.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2017 - 05:44am PT
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Tooth,
Thank you for the offer. I know nothing about this subject but assume if he is here already there is not a way to make it legal? And as I said his brother hopes he gets sent home.
He does have a college degree and almost finished a masters. Proud of what he has been able to do. His dream is to be a whitewater raft guide which is his profession in his home country.
I worry for his wife and son trying to head north as we speak.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jul 23, 2017 - 06:58am PT
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Here are the various categories eligible for a green card.
https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/eligibility-categories
Probably the only way you can enter the country illegally is if you fall into one of the asylum type situations. If he and his family want to do more than dodge authorities and live under constant threat of deportation they need to talk to an immigration attorney.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Jul 23, 2017 - 07:06am PT
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I would like to point out that all of the countries mentioned -" iran and Romania and Hungary and Haiti and African countries had political advantages for immigration for at least a time".
They were given preference as victims of communism, were considered supporters of the Shah, or briefly, politically correct if Haitian and African. Given our nonsensical and ever changing policies, Haitians were treated with compassion until they weren't suddenly. Meanwhile, every Cuban for the past 60 years who can put one foot down on a Florida beach is granted asylum while Haitians and others are turned away. It's hard to defend a system that is sopolitical and so irrational.
Meanwhile, I would encourage your friend's family to stay put. Let him work a summer here and make contacts in the whitewater business, take his money back and apply legally for a multiple entry tourist permit. After spending his time here as a "volunteer" learning American techniques, he can then apply for a work permit. He has an unusual skill that will help earn a legal work permit along with letters of recommendation from potential employers. Being bilingual is also an advantage for expanding the business into foreign markets and expanding our economy etc. etc. And of course he needs a good immigration attorney.
To be illegal, especially at this point in time is to be exploited and live in fear.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 23, 2017 - 10:46am PT
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A good attorney could write up a great job description for a whitewater guide with a masters degree, an H1-B would be a cinch. half kidding, half serious. H1-B is the way to go.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 24, 2017 - 05:44am PT
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I would like to point out that when I worked as a dentist/contractor for the US military in Guam, I found that so many guys I was working on were not US citizens. I asked them about this and they said that they could volunteer to join the US army, and that they, PLUS their families back home in their own countries would get green cards. Without even setting foot on US soil I asked? Yes they all replied.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Jul 24, 2017 - 08:00am PT
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Not so much, tooth.
It may come as a surprise to learn that serving in the United States military does not automatically confer citizenship, but it doesn’t. It can smooth the way, provided the aspiring citizen is aware of what they need to do in order to apply for citizenship and gets it done within a certain timeframe. However, it’s not uncommon for enlistees to wrongly assume (having never been told otherwise) they have done all they need to do in order to be awarded citizenship, and thus all they have to do after their honorable discharge is wait.
http://www.snopes.com/united-states-deporting-veterans/
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Jul 24, 2017 - 09:13am PT
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Of course there's always paperwork involved. Veterans have an easy time though getting recommendations from their congressmen which helps. At least this was true before Trump was elected and started talking about banning various groups and extreme vetting. Now the situation is more difficult.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Aug 12, 2017 - 12:24am PT
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Winemaker, I think there is some confusion between getting a green card and getting citizenship. One confers the ability to live and work and pay taxes in the USA and the other a US passport. Both allow one to legally be in the USA.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 12, 2017 - 03:06am PT
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cosmic: "Illegal Aliens. If you would like to report illegal aliens, please call Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at 1-866-DHS-2ICE (347-2423). They will need to know names, locations (either work place or residence) and any other specific information you can provide."
Does the DEA have a number for reporting old, senile dopers?
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gruzzy
Social climber
socal
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Aug 14, 2017 - 08:09pm PT
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The anger some people hold on to. let it go.
Buddha. Yoga. Bliss. Doves. Ghandi. Tie dye.Real Swiss Chocolate!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 15, 2017 - 09:18am PT
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According to my calculations there are about (give or take a half billion) 3.5 Billion people who want a US green card. We're just insensitive racists for denying them, right? I know it would be great for realty prices but Yosemite is already maxed out. :-/
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 15, 2017 - 09:22am PT
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They should have arrested you and thrown away the key when you climbed the
Sears Tower.
Well, they did arrest me, but I spent the day in jail tripping while having a great discussion with the Chicago police & fire commissioners, chiefs and their top rescue officers kicking around different skyscraper fire rescue / evacuation schemes and equipment ideas.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 15, 2017 - 11:06am PT
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Tooth, I think you do not know how complex it has gotten in the last couple of decades.
For someone who has no special status, simply applying results in being placed on a waiting list, that is something like 20 years long.
If one has some special status, they then BUMP somebody else down the list, who has been lawfully waiting.
In any case, it is not simple, and it is not just a matter of paperwork.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Aug 15, 2017 - 07:49pm PT
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I don't know how complex a couple decades ago Ken. I only know how it was in 2010. Not even a decade ago. If you want complex, try giving a green card back like I did, or giving up US citizenship like my family did this year. Not easy, and super expensive too. Ten times harder leaving than coming.
And a us immigration officer told me that bump thing was baloney. After his mate told me that I shouldn't have a green card while working in Canada since it was preventing someone else from working in the USA because there was only a certain number of green cards available and I should return mine so someone else could use it. I think they were both a little confused.
I would consider your post to be spreading false disinformation.
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