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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 22, 2017 - 08:31am PT
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I had predicted this, at the gym the other night... an obvious business opportunity for dirt-baggers, to wit: buy a fleet of junker cars and park them around the Valley... then sell the spots they occupy to the highest bidder. Move the car at the appointed time and find another spot for it.
My guess is that you'd make a lot of money these days.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 22, 2017 - 09:01am PT
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what is the market for "campsite scalpers" in the Valley?
anyone done a study?
resource scarcity represents a market opportunity...
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2017 - 09:03am PT
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hmmmm, not a bad idea Ed!
So what happens at 4pm? Do they kick you out of your paid spot? So really, it's a paid spot to be able to show up late, and do lazy starts.
This is a death knell to the revered Alpine Start! heh
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John M
climber
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Jun 22, 2017 - 09:32am PT
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screw reservations. First come first served and place a limit on the numbers allowed in the park. If you have a campsite or hotel reservation, then you are automatically allowed in. Otherwise first come first served with a limit. If they did that and added a bus system to handle overflow, then I would be all for it. Instead of the all or nothing bus system they tried to create.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2017 - 09:32am PT
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pay an entrance fee, AND pay a reservation fee, on top of the taxes that go to the Fed?
No way. I'm tired of project interpretive work that only serves to promote career development. National Parks are for everyone, not just those that have credit cards.
what jack wagon thought up those signs out at Joshua Tree, and how much did it cost? Numbered posts and a webpage with pdf download could have done the same thing for a 1/3 the cost I'm sure.
No expansion of camping sites in Yos, even a walk in site?
Nope.
btw, rant not directed at you personally ekat.
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Matt's
climber
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Jun 22, 2017 - 09:44am PT
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it seems like the end goal is to have people park once, and only once, inside the park, and then use the public transportation system to get around.
I think a better approach would be to cap the number of park visitors per day...
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John M
climber
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Jun 22, 2017 - 09:59am PT
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Ekat.. It wouldn't be that hard to have electronic warning signs and parking lots outside the park with a bus system. Expensive, but possible. Green means you most likely will get in. Yellow mean its starting to back up. Orange means you can try your luck but its almost full. Red means max capacity has been reached. Then people could decide, say in Oakhurst, if they wanted to try to get into the park, or if they wanted to stop and take the bus. And yes, there would be a learning curve. They have a hard time closing glacier point and requiring people to take the shuttle from badger pass. Another problem would be figuring out where to put some parking lots. Or garages. We build parking garages in the cities. Why not a nice 4 story garage somewhere near oakhurst and mariposa. That way you would not need as large of a lot.
But of course that cost money and not enough people, or politicians want money going towards parks.
I would also raise money by charging people from out of the country more. If you don't have someone in your vehicle with a united states drivers license. then you pay more. Half the people visiting Yosemite are foreigners.
This would of course create another dirtbag job. heh heh..
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jun 22, 2017 - 10:21am PT
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but a reservation fee of $1.50 will be required per transaction
How long until this is up to $20? I'm guessing 3 years: $5 all summer 2018, $10 spring-fall 2019, $20 year round 2020.
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okay, whatever
climber
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Jun 22, 2017 - 10:24am PT
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I'm glad my memories of Yosemite are from the 1970's/early 1980's. While it's still of course the beautiful place it has always been, and it was not UN-crowded back then, for sure, the current crowds and cars seem like a huge negative. But it is a national resource, not mine or anyone else's personally, whatever nostalgia we might have.
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c wilmot
climber
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Jun 22, 2017 - 10:30am PT
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They need to start doing credit checks to make sure visitors have the financial means to enjoy nature.
If your score is not good enough then no nature for you buddy
Let the poor enjoy Stockton
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 22, 2017 - 10:43am PT
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The reservation will be available until 4:00 pm? So how many people are going to make a reservation they do not use, and a space ends up sitting empty. Force everyone to make the alpine start. On second thought clueing everyone into the alpine start will spoil the secret to valley parking. Carry on with the monetization of the the park
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 22, 2017 - 02:34pm PT
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what is the market for "campsite scalpers" in the Valley?
anyone done a study?
The NPS is now checking to ensure that the ID of the camper matches the ID of the person who made the online reservation. If they don't match, the reservation is deemed invalid.
A Half Dome ticket (a C-Ticket, in bygone Disney parlance) will also require a hiker to produce an ID (but not pass a rudimentary physical fitness test) in order to "climb" to the summit.
NPS Cracking Down on Campsite Reservation Scalpers
The new campsite scam will probably be a service offered to climbers, not campers, coming to the Valley. For a fee, they're happy to be, camped out at the Camp 4 ticket booth (midnight to 8 am) to be first in line to grab a campsite and a parking lot sticker.
This would be especially valuable for climbers coming to the Valley via a bus, or other transportation, that can't accommodate someone seeking the graveyard waiting shift themself.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jun 22, 2017 - 02:46pm PT
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TOTAL FRIKKEN GRIDLOCK!
You also need to get 8 pitches up to break out of the smog! Not like that would be a problem or anything.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 22, 2017 - 05:33pm PT
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It may be worth remarking
That you’d best find some parking
Before embarking
On yonder Mt. Starr King.
--MFM
At first I had some reservations about posting this, but then decided WTF.
Hyperloop should begin in Planada, Dingus, not Merced.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jun 22, 2017 - 05:39pm PT
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Ha! Thanks mouse, that's going to be stuck in my head from the next two weeks.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 22, 2017 - 08:08pm PT
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The great thing about the ebay sale is that when the buyer is unable to check in Paypal will refund the buyer and go after the seller.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Jun 22, 2017 - 08:37pm PT
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Is campsite scalping legal? Google comes up with some 2011 articles saying it's not. Maybe it's a good business opportunity the way Meth manufacturing is a good business opportunity?
Why can't everything just be unlimited and free? :-(
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rincon
climber
Coarsegold
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Jun 22, 2017 - 09:44pm PT
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Should be locals only.
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