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BASE104
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An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 1, 2017 - 04:00pm PT
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I watched the Senate Intelligence Committee hearing the other day, and one of the guys testifying how the Russians had exerted influence, made it clear to me that you can't trust anyone on a news item unless they are very reputable.
The Russians had a thousand trolls spreading disinformation on Social Media. 60 Minutes last Friday showed how you could pay a guy less than a grand, and he could take any Twitter story and using bots to re-tweet, or fake Facebook accounts in the same way, getting a massive number of hits and re-tweets from the original disinformation.
The Russians have refined this to an art. Others know how to do it as well.
We have reached a point where you should check everything with either Politifact or Snopes, or a trusted site that tracks false information.
This involves putting our trust back into the premiere news sources. The Big Networks, CNN, and my favorite, the PBS News Hour. You cannot trust the biased agencies for the truth anymore. You can enjoy them politically, but not on urgent matters.
The guy talking to Congress showed how even the big media outlets had been fooled by disinformation, aka: Fake News
Sorry to bear bad news, but now we have to be SUPER critical, and double check everything. Social Engineering is now an advanced tactic, and is being used in France's election as we speak, to elect the uber-right Le Pen.
I'm not saying anything about Trump here. I don't know if he colluded with the Russians or not. Wittingly, anyway. I have been recording the Intelligence Committee hearings, though, and what that one guys said was shocking, especially if you had just seen the 60 Minutes story of how easy it was to spread false information.
The House Intelligence Committee's validity has been sorely tested. However, the Senate hearings have been full of great infotrmation about what the Russians did, and how they did it.
This now has nothing to do with party. The guy testifying told Rubio that he had been targeted during the nomination race. Now Rubio has come public about it, and the Russians tried to get into his computers as recently as this week. Rubio sits on the Intelligence Committee. For now, the Senate is doing a good job.
The house hearings are not so good. Trey Gowdy is on it, so expecting it to be non-partisan vanished the first time he opened his mouth. Then Nunez went off the rails. It will be hard to put back together again, so hopefully the Senate is capable of performing the investigation into what the Russians did during the election. I am more interested in that than the investigation into Trump's campaign. All campaigns these days are dirty. On both sides. The reason? Negative advertising works.
Here is a link to the 60 minutes story. You can watch the senate hearing on the web as well.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-attack-in-garland-fake-news-chess-country/
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ms55401
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minneapolis, mn
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PBS News Hour doesn't do any reporting. better to go with BBC News.
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c wilmot
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So what? You think our govt doesn't do it as well?
NPR actually created a fake account using my screen name to say the exact opposite of what I was saying. Who was behind that? ( they shut down their comments with the excuse that comments were not in the direction of the agenda they were pushing...i.e: public comments are subverting our propaganda..)
ANYTHING you do is used to create a profile of who you are, what your patterns of behavior are, and what kind of threat you might be. I don't doubt supertopo is also used in this fashion. Social media is the perfect spy tool- you don't have spy on someone- they will spill the beans for you
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WBraun
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You idiots believe everything you're told.
Your own US govt and US media can't even be trusted yet you loons scream every day ....
The Russian did it the Russians did it.
You stoopid people are so brainwashed it's unreal ......
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
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I have started watching BBC News on PBS.
Britain has different Libel and Slander laws. They can be sued if they get something wrong. In the U.S. the Supreme Court long ago ruled that if you are a "public person," your privacy can be invaded. You CAN say anything. Truth is not important.
It really gets bad in election cycles.
We need to be much more careful about what we believe. It is our duty as citizens to be well informed. If the citizenry is not well informed, then our democracy will not work.
For now, politifact and Snopes are good tools.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
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Out Of Bed
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wB, Your leanings are well known.
The battle was between the money that is the Jews to you, and the money that is the Oligarchs. The Oligarchs won, seems fitting that they will shut down the government
and that you will then have to choose to be or leave too
The parks, especially yours is already for sale to the fastest land stripper.
I'm not the idiot you think I am her Duck
I've been to see how the very rich plan to have it be. . . .
All theirs everything
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2017 - 04:31pm PT
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I've been interviewed quite a few times. I've never been happy with the finished product. So I've always looked at certain outlets as suspect.
I have heard that Facebook and Twitter will be trying to filter out fake news, but it will be a tough job. The Russians have more disinformation agents than we have journalists.
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c wilmot
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PBS receives large sums of funding from David Koch. Though I find them to be very neutral in their political stance. NPR? Not so much...
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WBraun
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politifact and Snopes are good tools.
Only idiots believe this crap ......
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divad
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wmass
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I only believe only what I see on ST....
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Watch for a bogus smear campaign against Watts.
Fuked in the cyber age.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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You Trusted social media?
naiveté
(British naivety) (also naïveté)
NOUN
1Lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment.
‘the administration's naiveté and inexperience in foreign policy’
More example sentences Synonyms
1.1 Innocence or unsophistication.
‘they took advantage of his naiveté and deep pockets’
More example sentences
'he believed everything he read due to his naivete'
Origin
Late 17th century: from French naïveté, from naïf, -ive (see naive).
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ecdh
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the east
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Bbc became a tabloid 5 years ago. Search any of their stories and you will see the stupid patterns they rally around. They live off a brand name from the 50s.
Economist or nothing.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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For actual news, we Earthlings watch the CBS Evening News with Scott Pelley and read the NY Times. It's reporting of real facts by real journalists.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Al Jazeera English
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Byran
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Half Dome Village
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Aside from politics, one of the scariest things about social media is the way that "witch hunts" can go viral. Usually it starts when someone is arrested for some sort of crime and is then released or acquitted, and then a bunch of clickbait news articles pop up that get the story completely wrong and just try to make the whole thing sound as outrageous as possible. Then you'll have thousands of people who take time out of their lives to mail death threats to the persons home, sign petitions to have the judge removed from the bench, try to dig up personal info on who was on the jury, ect, ect... but they can't be bothered to do 10 minutes of google searching to see if the article they read wasn't just a bunch of bullsh#t.
The 3rd season finale of Black Mirror actually does a pretty good job of highlighting this phenomenon.
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ecdh
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the east
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Syndication is as much the root of f*#kery as anything else. It spreads bullshit faster than even twitter. Sanctioned lies.
The handfull of current affairs groups that actually have their own reporters out there is about 5.
English isnt a great language of reporting. One may have noticed how many italian, french, danish reporters get nabbed in hot spots compared to all combined english speakers.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
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Out Of Bed
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Apr 27, 2017 - 04:09am PT
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Is anyone else still getting crap links to bogus stories?
I delete three or four a week, I would qualify as minimum use of the Email, compared to almost anyone.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 27, 2017 - 09:20am PT
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The Republican Party, the source and perpetuator of fake News can't be trusted to investigate itself
The Senate investigation into Trump-Russia is a hot mess
https://thinkprogress.org/senate-investigation-trump-russia-mess-dc8c708f8baa
Burr’s committee “has yet to issue a single subpoena for documents or interview any key witnesses who are central to the probe,” Yahoo reports, citing multiple sources involved in the probe. It hasn’t “requested potentially crucial evidence — such as the emails, memos and phone records of the Trump campaign — in part because the panel’s chairman, [Burr], has so far failed to respond to requests from the panel’s Democrats to sign letters doing so.”
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 27, 2017 - 09:40am PT
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I would say based on the crap you post Base, you are the disinformation spreader. Telling us al how fracking is so wonderful and safe, blah blah blah. The Russians are the ones spreading all the bullsh#t, etc. etc. What a f*#king crock. You are Craig Fry both full of it.
Why is it no one mentions the wholesale corruption of the Democratic party leadership, and the real reason Trump is in office, Hillary and her cronies?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 27, 2017 - 10:01am PT
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The Russians are the ones spreading all the bullsh#t, etc. etc. What a f*#king crock. I guess you know more than the FBI, the NSA, GB and the CIA
maybe you can let them know that you're the only one that has the real story of it all being fake News
Everyone knows that the investigators don't know sh#t, we have to rely on crackpots that heard it from some other crack pot to give us the inside scoop, right?
and by the way, the real reason Trump is in office is BECAUSE of the Trump Voters
They voted for him,
the rest of us didn't vote for him.
He won because he got more votes in key states
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 27, 2017 - 10:13am PT
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I know what goes on in the world, and what our news media tells us goes on in the world are two completely different things. I know that our "news media" is mostly no longer actual news. I know that the whole anti Russian, anti Chinese war mongering is because of the BRICS alliance. WORLD F*#KING NEWS, but guess what, not a single mention in our "news", about it going on now for years. They do not want you to have a clue about whats really going on. Yet it is one of the main reasons driving us to make war across the planet, due to the impending collapse of the dollar, as these countries pull off the dollar, and onto their own gold standard currency. Talk about fake, that's our financial system and currency, as well as our news.
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Happiegrrrl2
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Apr 27, 2017 - 10:16am PT
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Is anyone else still getting crap links to bogus stories?
Where I see the difference is in the FB right sidebar "Top Stories." During the election, this was a quagmire of absurd "news stories" that were heavily leaning toward anti-Hillary Clinton topics. Because the stores were listed among ones from legitimate news source, one had the impression they were of that level in integrity, which was a fallacy. Also, the stories that rose to the top of the "Facebook News Feed," which I admit I DID expect was a reliable source, got there THROUGH likes and Shares, which was made possible via the bot networks.(Which is also how all those "edgy" commercials rise to the level they do)
Now there's pretty recognizable sources for the stories there. Too little, too late.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 27, 2017 - 10:29am PT
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Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ODNI declassified assessment of "Russian activities and intentions in recent U.S. elections"
The United States Intelligence Community officially concluded that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 United States elections.[1] In January 2017, a U.S. intelligence community assessment expressed "high confidence" that Russia favored Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, and that Russian President Vladimir Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to denigrate and harm Clinton's electoral chances and potential presidency.[2] Intelligence allies of the U.S. in Europe found communications between suspected Russian agents and the Trump campaign as early as 2015.[3]
On October 7, 2016,[4] the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) jointly stated that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee (DNC) servers and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta's personal email account and leaked their documents to WikiLeaks.[5][6] In early January 2017, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testified before a Senate committee that Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign went beyond hacking, and included disinformation such as the dissemination of fake news often promoted on social media.[7] Six federal agencies have also been investigating possible links and financial ties between the Kremlin and Trump's associates, including his son in law Jared Kushner and advisers Carter Page, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone.[8][9]
Several cybersecurity firms stated that the cyberattacks were committed by Russian intelligence groups Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear.[10] In October 2016, U.S. President Barack Obama used the red phone line to directly contact Putin and issue a warning to him regarding the cyber attacks.[11] Russian officials have repeatedly denied involvement in any DNC hacks or leaks.[12][13][14]
In early December 2016, Obama ordered a report on foreign interventions in the 2016 elections,[15] while U.S. Senators called for a bipartisan investigation.[16] President-elect Donald Trump initially rejected the report, saying that Democrats were reacting to their election loss,[17] and attacked the intelligence agencies in a transition team statement.[18] Senate Majority Leader Republican Mitch McConnell expressed confidence in U.S. intelligence and supported a bipartisan investigation,[19] which was started by the Senate Intelligence Committee on January 24, 2017.[20] On December 29, 2016, the U.S. expelled 35 Russian diplomats, denied access to two Russia-owned compounds, and broadened existing sanctions on Russian entities and individuals.[21] On March 20, 2017, FBI Director James Comey testified to the House Intelligence Committee that the FBI has been conducting a counter-intelligence investigation about Russian interference since July 2016, including possible coordination between associates of Trump and Russia
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 27, 2017 - 10:33am PT
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Craig Fry, you are like the village idiot who has been shown the door, but instead continues to pound his head against the wall trying to find his way out.
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Norton
Social climber
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Apr 27, 2017 - 10:38am PT
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I would like to read someone's refuting, disproving, the accuracy of Craig Fry's post
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c wilmot
climber
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Apr 27, 2017 - 10:41am PT
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Saying it's your opinion that something happened is not in itself evidence of something actually occurring.
Remember iraqs wmd's?
They "concluded" that was real as well...
Fool me once
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 27, 2017 - 10:43am PT
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Russia Didn’t Hack the U.S. Election
It hacked the voters
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/12/how_russia_hacked_american_voters.html
leaks seemed to further the narrative that Clinton was untrustworthy, disingenuous, unfairly favored, and allowed to play by a different set of rules. They also fueled the heat she took for separate issues, like classified emails on her private server or questions about the Clinton Foundation, which only added to the sense that she wasn’t being straight with the American people. This perception of her contributed to strikingly high unfavorability ratings and helps explain why nearly half of registered voters who supported Trump proclaimed that they were actually voting against Clinton.
Reporting has shown that Russian propaganda is likely behind the intentional spread of such stories, even when it wasn’t the originator. These stories showed up at the top of search engine results and were shared on social media sites, which have increasingly become echo chambers for our personal politics. Trump campaign officials amplified some of these stories on social media, and even traditional media outlets were fooled on occasion. Analysis since the election has shown that fake news stories outperformed real news by the end of the campaign, and most Americans, but especially Trump voters, tended to believe the fake stories to be true.
Russia set out to intentionally manipulate the information that voters consumed in order to influence the decisions they made on Election Day. The goal wasn’t to change the minds of the entire populace, but seed just enough doubt in the minds of undecided and tentatively committed voters to improve Trump’s chances. Just like the phishing email that appears to be an update on the status of the Christmas gifts you ordered or warning that there’s a problem with your tax return, disinformation only has to deceive a very small percentage of the right people to be successful.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 27, 2017 - 10:44am PT
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Studly, you are like the village idiot who has been shown the door, but instead continues to pound his head against the wall trying to find his way out. not my opinion
it's the opinion of many that have knowledge of the subject matter
and not subject to believing Fake News
no one I know believed Iraq had WMDs, The Bush Admin made it all up.
Do Republicans Ever tell the truth?
No, if they told the truth no one would vote for them
Do the Republicans Ever do anything good for the People?
No, it's all for they're rich buddies and bribes
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AP
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Calgary
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Apr 27, 2017 - 10:47am PT
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I read the Manchester Guardian. It is a slightly left of centre paper out of England.
The part I like is they seem to have reasonably good coverage of International news. If an election in Africa goes off smoothly they will report it where as many other publications will only report if it all goes horribly wrong.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 27, 2017 - 11:19am PT
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No, Mr. President Trump: Russian hacking is not like the CIA's WMD fiasco
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/04/opinions/russian-hacking-is-not-another-cia-fiasco-like-iraq-wmd-bergen/
The faulty assumption that Saddam Hussein was reconstituting his weapons of mass destruction program rested, in part, on intelligence sources who were lying. One of them was an Iraqi defector with the telling alias of "Curveball," who claimed that Hussein possessed mobile bioweapons labs.
This became a central exhibit in the George W. Bush administration's assertions that Hussein had a biological weapons program. But Curveball later admitted he had made up the whole story.
A month before the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, CIA Director George Tenet testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee that Iraq had "provided training in poisons and gases to two al Qaeda associates." But what Tenet didn't know was that this information had come from a militant who had been tortured in Egypt.
In December 2001, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, a Libyan militant affiliated with al Qaeda, was captured in Pakistan. The CIA then "rendered" Libi to Egypt. Once in Egypt's grim prisons, to improve his chances of better treatment, Libi fed his interrogators a number of fairy tales, including that Osama bin Laden had sent two operatives to Iraq to learn about biological and chemical weapons.
Because Libi's story encapsulated the key arguments for the Iraq War, his tale was picked up by President Bush in a keynote speech in Cincinnati on October 7, 2002, in which Bush laid out his rationale for the coming war with Iraq, saying, "We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases."
But once he was back in American custody, on February 14, 2004, Libi recanted what he had falsely told his Egyptian jailors. Libi told his US interrogators that he had "fabricated" his tale of the Saddam Hussein-al Qaeda-poison connection to the Egyptians following "physical abuse and threats of torture."
I guess torture does get you the fake News you want, too bad it doesn't provide the truth
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dirtbag
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Apr 27, 2017 - 12:04pm PT
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I would like to read someone's refuting, disproving, the accuracy of Craig Fry's post
Me too. Make no mistake, the entire scope of Russian involvement in the election, including trump's campaign, is a major corruption story. It could be the very biggest of all time--we are still only beginning to learn about it.
If Hillary had been connected to one tenth of the sh#t that trump has been connected to, you could be sure that the Benghazi-obsessed republican hypocrites in congress would have had her dangling from a noose by now. Instead, they are looking the other way. All of them need to go.
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Fat Dad
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Apr 27, 2017 - 08:19pm PT
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Dude, don't argue with Studly. He "knows". BTW Studly, that poll was about you.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
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Apr 27, 2017 - 09:48pm PT
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