crumbling Freedom of the Press too divisive to discuss?

The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention. Adolf Hitler

The media does not, and will never speak for the American people. And we're going to do something about it.
Donald Trump

The media is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American people.
Donald Trump

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed. Adolf Hitler

Russ, grow a pair and actually share what is in your heart.

You can't act on what you don't know.

Despite President Donald Trump’s relentless attacks on the “fake news” media, a new poll from Quinnipiac University finds that more Americans trust the media than Donald Trump.

A majority of Americans, 52%, said they trust the news media over Donald Trump to tell the truth about important issues. Only 37% said they trusted Trump more.

"The media, so demonized by the Trump Administration, is actually a good deal more popular than President Trump," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

Unsurprisingly, responses divided sharply on party lines. Democrats and Independents trust the media more than Trump. Eighty-six percent of Democrats trust the news media more than the president. Among Independents, 50% trust the media more, while 38% trust Trump.

Trump is right to hate the media. The establishment hates Trump and are disparaging him at every opportunity...

CNN, NY Times, LA Times, Politico, barred.

AP and Time bowed out in protest.

I'll post what I like, RUSS, but thanks. You certainly brought zero to the table.

I want to increase awareness here, to remind folks of what I consider our responsibilities as citizens

Trump is right to hate the media. The establishment hates Trump and are disparaging him at every opportunity. CNN is the worst.

I am not a Trump supporter and find it somewhat odd to be uttering a word in his defense. The big picture is that the last election was the first time that large numbers in both parties rebelled against 1% rule. One percent rule is the way it has been forever. Remember the divine right of kings?

I didn't vote for Trump and told my friends that a vote for Hillary was a vote for endless war.

If you honestly believe that parity exists between the accuracy of reporting from NYT, CNN, as opposed to Breitbart & Infowars, Trump and Bannon's work is complete.

They are not hacks, so far as I can tell

One of said "Twittter Connections" posts quite a bit of info and suggests that the Trump casino losses were very probably laundromats for Russian dirty money. More than I can digest, but others may find as interesting as I am.

The fake DrF is not me you dimwit.

Russ is correct. I'm not he. But you are indeed a dimwit.

Neither Breitbart nor Infowars ever directly influenced an election...

Not allowing a set of disfavored news agencies access to information about policies emanating from the White House, while showing favor to others with direct and intimate ties to the administration, is criminal in spirit if not in current letter of the law for several reasons.

Neither of them has ever published anything factually accurate either.

You libs have ZERO credibility...

And yet, still tons more credibility than you. Funny isn't it?

Use a consistent standard of evidence-evaluation. And Twitter is not a "source."

John R. Schindler is a strategist, author, and commentator whose security-focused career has included a couple decades as both a scholar and practitioner. He is the national security columnist for the New York Observer.

Previously a professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College, where he taught courses on security, strategy, intelligence, terrorism, and military history, before joining the NWC faculty, he spent nearly a decade with the super-secret National Security Agency as an intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer. There’s not much he can say about that, except that he worked problems in Eastern Europe and the Middle East with a counterespionage flavor, and he collaborated closely with other government agencies who would probably prefer he didn’t mention them. He’s also served as an officer specializing in cryptology (now called information warfare for no particular reason) in the U.S. Navy Reserve.

You don't get to have it both ways. Use a consistent standard of evidence-evaluation.

Does t come as a surprise to you that there are also Republicans, Independents and NoneOfYourBusinessers who are appalled at the current situation?

Right back at you! If Obama had said that all gun manufacturers, or all gun owners were the enemy of the American people and that "we're going to do something about it", you'd have blown a gasket!

Trump took action today against unfavorable press, not just his typical empty talk. If you're not very concerned about the implications of that, you should be.

What worries me is if the sh#t hits the fan.

allowed themselves to believe all the BS of the right wing media and Trump campaign, hold their noses and vote for him.

Also, a vote for Trump was not a vote against the 1%. Again, incredibly naive. Try as he did to portray himself as a friend to the working man, this is a guy who has gotten to where he is by stepping on people, pure and simple. His only care is his own advancement.Quote Here

You are basing your opinions on the belief that the media is somehow impartial or non partisan.

The media has been lying and misleading people forever.

What happened to you? You don't make sense anymore.

That is up to the people to determine, not the POTUS.

Is Trump proposing some law I haven't heard about?

No?

Then he's entitled to both have and express any opinion he wishes.

Then the press is entitled to opine, as well.

So fvck you Jim Brennan

You'll follow that man anywhere.

if we can't discuss politics and shIt gets not only locked but nuked when it isn't "on topic" than fUck it, it looks like maybe it's time for me to search out a new venue for thought exposition and exchange...

You'd watch the trains heading to the ovens and swear they were going to the beach resorts.
You'll follow that man anywhere. You're in too deep now to turn back.

Feb 24, 2017 - 06:44pm PT
Then the press is entitled to opine, as well.

Absolutely!

Trump is just echoing what many are just coming to realize: ALL the press does is opine. The era of genuine journalism and news is behind us.

Lots of reasons for that, not the least of which is big-moneyed ownership of the vehicles. But the net effect is that ALL "news" now is editorial spin.

So, sure, it's "free" to be "the press" and spray all it wants.

But we, including Trump, are free to call a spade a spade and want nothing to do with it.

NutAgain is absolutely right. We are at a critical point. Trump's stated policies perfectly fits the definition of neo-fascism, and control of the press is one of the most important steps in establishing an authoritarian state. If NutAgain hadn't initiated this thread, I would have. Thanks, NA.

The sh!t has been hitting the fan for 40 years now and hasn't let up and you clowns are now aware of the term "Sh!t hitting the fan".

Politards are idiots ......

People like me didn't AT ALL "believe all the BS of the right wing media," and we didn't vote for him for ANY other reason than that you libs couldn't see your way clear to put up ANY other candidate than Clinton.
And you still insist that everybody else was stupid in some way.

Let's cut to the chase. "fake news" is news that is true, but Conservatives don't want to hear.

And then there's this.

Artemenko told Strana.ua that this wasn't the first time they'd talked about the "peace plan." He says that he was discussing the peace plan with Cohen and Sater “at the time of the primaries, when no one believed that Trump would even be nominated.”

So at least according to Artemenko, discussions about the "peace plan" go back to the first half of 2016.

That's interesting.

Artemenko said his plan would let Ukrainian voters decide in a referendum whether to lease Crimea to Russia for a term of 50 or 100 years, according to the New York Times.

I have been waking up at night lately

...many of the trumpites (madbolter, TGT2, pyro) were not misled by the media to arrive at their conclusions. They had those already, and Trump came by spouting their own views back at them.... (Trump) tapped into a sentiment that already believed what they wanted to believe...

it starts in the house of representatives.

To bring articles of impeachment against a president requires a majority vote in the House of Representatives. When the case is tried by the Senate, a vote of at least 2/3 of those present is required to convict and remove the president from office.

They would have to have a pretty good idea that there was a consensus to do it.

Since house is controlled by Repubs, it would take an astonishing act with terrible consequence for impeachment to start.

I want to share my own experience.
I witnessed creation of #fakenews by the liberal journalist working for the liberal Globe and Mail newspaper. He added one word to a neutral report of international organization when tweeting about it thus completely changing its meaning.
I was not sure whether he did it on purpose or just made an error.
I pointed to this error on Twitter and sent an e-mail to an edditor of this newspaper.
Neither this journalist nor edditor responded to me, corrected this #fakenews or apologized.
I got a perception that they were OK with creation of #fakenews.

It seems to me that such liberal treatment of news is a new norm for a liberal Mainstream Media.
I am not sure I understand why NutAgain! is trying to defend it.

Limiting access to a president would only decrease amount of created #fakenews.
I do not see anything wrong with this.

Ken M

Yury, you post from the position of a serf, bowing to the wisdom of a central gov't whose pronouncements are not subject to scrutiny. You accept central authority as fundamentally correct and unquestionable.

Corruption of Mainstrea Media is much more dangerous.

our media refers to illegals as immigrants- making no note of the difference between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. they call islamic terrorist groups "rebels" while referring to Ukrainians who still support their democratically elected president "separatists"

A repost. Clear examples of fake news. The media has conditioned so many to believe their spin to the point that you are being fed fake news about... fake news

A retired Navy Seal who was an architect of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden has warned that Donald Trump’s attack on the press as an enemy of the American people “may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime”.

Retired admiral William McRaven, the former commander of the Joint Special Operations Command and later the US Special Operations Command, issued his defense of the media during a Tuesday late-afternoon lecture to journalism students at the University of Texas, where he serves as chancellor.

McRaven, himself a journalism graduate of the school, referred to the press as “the single most important institution in this republic” and said: “This may be the most important time for journalism that I have seen in decades. Probably we need you now more than ever before.”

McRaven did not issue a personal criticism of Trump, nor a broader critique of his administration. But he directly referenced “the president” in objecting to Trump’s stated perspective on the US press.

“On February 17, the president said the news media is the enemy of the American people. The news media is the enemy of the American people,” McRaven said, according to a video of the speech the University of Texas made available to the Guardian.

“This sentiment may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime, this sentiment,” McRaven said to applause.

“I will tell you, as journalism majors, as Americans, you should challenge that sentiment and that statement every opportunity you can. We must challenge this statement and this sentiment that the news media is the enemy of the American people.”

nah000

that said, i am curious yury if you could give the exact change that was made.

If you study geographic locations of these explosion with a detailed map of this area, you can conclude that this was shelling by central Ukrainian government.

healyje

Except right now media corruption in mainstream media on a scale 0-100 is around 5 or less whereas, if one were to consider trumpco as a news organization, it would rank them at about 95.

monolith

Oh, ok, if you say so. But we know what dog in this fight you support though.

Why don't you find something in this country to show the bias, something we have an experience with. And apply your 'rigorous' analysis to both left and right..

Why don't you find something in this country to show the bias, something we have an experience with. And apply your 'rigorous' analysis to both left and right..

monolith

Your history tells us you won't give a fair analysis. Somehow I don't think your observations would stand a chance in a forum that had Ukranians familiar with both sides of the conflict.

So fake news sucks, but government selectively blocking access to public news agencies is worse.

Ken M, please do not project your own thoughts onto me.
Unlike modern liberals I value freedom and am concerned about establishment of a totalitarian state similar to what already been done by lefties in Russia and China.

“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.”
― George Orwell

“You are a slow learner, Winston."
"How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."
"Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Last week, after Spicer became aware that information had leaked out of a planning meeting with about a dozen of his communications staffers, he reconvened the group in his office to express his frustration over the number of private conversations and meetings that were showing up in unflattering news stories, according to sources in the room.

Upon entering Spicer’s office for what one person briefed on the gathering described as “an emergency meeting,” staffers were told to dump their phones on a table for a “phone check," to prove they had nothing to hide.

Spicer, who consulted with White House counsel Don McGahn before calling the meeting, was accompanied by White House lawyers in the room, according to multiple sources.

There, he explicitly warned staffers that using texting apps like Confide — an encrypted and screenshot-protected messaging app that automatically deletes texts after they are sent — and Signal, another encrypted messaging system, was a violation of the Presidential Records Act, according to multiple sources in the room.

The phone checks included whatever electronics staffers were carrying when they were summoned to the unexpected follow-up meeting, including government-issued and personal cellphones.

You believe the Russian nonsense despite the fact no evidence to support the claims has been provided. What makes trumps claims any different?

fact that our MSM is not only at least 50% fabrication

but is a mind and thought control device

This anti-MSM nonsense...hard to know where the brainwashing began....talk radio, I suppose.

I wonder who is keeping score of all these exposures. I hope someone has a score card.

I wonder how many obama phones were used to post in this thread?

Norton, do you know the difference between "lies" and "fake news"?

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As I interpret this, some press members were denied entry to an invitation-only press event.

It was my understanding that almost all government press events are in fact invitation only. The student news papers, the radical right or left, and the community newsletter reporter are not generally given invitations nor admitted.