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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 22, 2017 - 02:19pm PT
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South Korea will take lead in life expectancy
"US continues to lag
In Europe, French women and Swiss women are predicted to have the highest life expectancy, with averages of 88.6 and 84 years respectively.
Among predictions for high-income countries, the lowest life expectancy at birth is likely to be in the US, with an average of 83.3 years for women and 79.5 years for men -- similar to Mexico and Croatia."
In countries with lower life expectancies people have a relatively high risk of dying in their 40s or 50s. "There are many reasons for deaths in this age range, Ezzati said, including greater obesity rates and their associated health risks as well as homicides and road accidents. Lack of universal health care in countries like the US is also thought to play a role, the study says."
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Feb 22, 2017 - 02:30pm PT
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in the US, with an average of 83.3 years for women and 79.5 years for men
For as fat as we are in the USA, I'd say that 83.3 and 79.5 are impressive figures!
If I wanted to live longer, I guess I would need to get a sex change operation and move to Seoul.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Feb 22, 2017 - 02:33pm PT
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Yer gonna die!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 22, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
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cragnshag hits the nail on the fat butt. We're a nation of fat alcoholic lazy asses.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Feb 22, 2017 - 02:41pm PT
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The Deep South drags it down I suspect. Curious about Colorado and California.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Feb 22, 2017 - 02:47pm PT
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Yeah John, I was thinking something similar. There has to be pockets everywhere that skew those statistics. Someone told me in a discussion once about a study that was done about the regions in the world that showed unusual longevity and what they could possibly have in common. I don't quite remember what they said the results showed but it was somewhat unexpected. Anyone familiar with such studies?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 22, 2017 - 03:07pm PT
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The main point of these "studies" is that the the US has too much income inequality (i.e., the people doing the studies don't make as much as bankers or software engineers or doctors or (some) lawyers) and that's why we're all dying--we need to be more like S. Korea or Mexico or Sweden or basically anyplace else.
Is there any place in the world that has more racial diversity and longer life expectancies?
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 22, 2017 - 03:27pm PT
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The US eats too much dead meat.
The US has a very unhealthy consciousness.
Everything harmful they claim is not.
Everything good for you they claim is not.
Stooopid Americans ......
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2017 - 03:31pm PT
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blahblah
you don't need to want to be more like Mexico. You are alike already.
It's only those who wants to live long who has to watch their weight. It's all about choices, man. Life's tough thattaway you know. Sooner or later one pays the price of one's sins. Unless you're Dorian Gray.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 22, 2017 - 04:02pm PT
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hey there say, lolli...
nice to hear from you...
*oh, say,i STILL got two christmas cards, that i send,
last year, and this year, that both came back, 'wrong address'...
:)
well, say, here is a curious things about age, too:
my 94 year old friend from germany, though she had had
her share of perhaps 'wrong foods' the last few years,
and maybe paid a small price, well,
she gets MAGAZINE from one of the towns she lived in,
way back when, where many folks from her area of childnood,
settled (though not all of course):
well, a VAST amount of the woman, that are in the obituaries, there,
over the last few years have been a high number of:
folks around 98 and over...
wow, :O
course, she does NOT know what kind of condition they are in, but,
she herself, still gets around, so PERHAPS those
folks over there, did well, too?
quite a lot of folks, too, living until 90's and nearing
those ages too...
as to herself (and those that moved to other cities
in germany):
she wonders if it is was because she, and the folks that
moved from her coastal area (that is poland now)
used to eat a lot of FISH??
AND fish oil? during most of their growing-up, life?
they were near the coast,
OOOPS, ANOTHER NOTE: she said, back in her younger days,
everyone WALKED everywhere... and--they did not eat much,
but of course, then the war started going on...
but, before that, she said they had a fairly simple life...
but worked hard on their property...
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
the pitch above you
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Feb 22, 2017 - 04:17pm PT
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WBraun:
Everything harmful they claim is not.
Everything good for you they claim is not.
So uh, generalize much? And just who are "they"?
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
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hi neebee
I've been moving around a bit the last years. New job, new town, new name. Not much left of what once was. :-)
I hope you're well.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Feb 22, 2017 - 05:34pm PT
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Werner, what type of live meat do you prefer?
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Feb 22, 2017 - 05:54pm PT
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To answer my own question about life expectancy in various states:
Life Expectancy in US States
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 22, 2017 - 06:44pm PT
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We're a nation of fat alcoholic lazy asses.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 22, 2017 - 07:03pm PT
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Well, Gary, after three weeks in Switzerland I'm afraid that connotation is unavoidable.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 22, 2017 - 07:19pm PT
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Stress kills...Americans are stressed...Stressed trying to pay health insurance , car insurance , renters insurance , homeowners insurance , and life insurance...No American had insurance during the depression and survived..Get rid of insurance and Americans will live longer...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 22, 2017 - 08:38pm PT
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hey there say, lolli...
yes, doing well, and getting to do a bit more stuff,
than i have ever done before for a long time...
>:D<
so good to hear from you...
say, if you ever get settled enough,
i will keep your cards, and make a collection
of fun, for you, :)
just let me know, when... :)
happy good eve, to your 'side of the world' over there, :)
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Feb 22, 2017 - 10:05pm PT
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Enjoy each moment and live well!
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Feb 22, 2017 - 10:23pm PT
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Rotten Johnny for the win. Stress kills and the US loves their stress.
And yeah, I would have guessed lower number than that for the good ol fat US of A.
Arne
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 22, 2017 - 10:56pm PT
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It's pretty hard to measure stress and the US isn't as fat as some of us
would like to think. According to my just received The Economist Pocket
World FIgures book, while we are top of the heap for developed countries
(pun loosely intended) we're middle of the road overall and, believe it or
not, the Kiwis and Aussies aren't far behind us. What I found most interesting
was that the three aforementioned 'developed' countries all share the same
anomaly of their men being as fat as their wimmen. All the other top 20
have a much higher rate amongst their wimmen.
As for life expectancy, I find it interesting that for Sweden's supposed
superiority in obesity rates and health care why do they only live 3 years
longer than us uncared for stressed out fat and lazy alcoholics? Maybe
they're over-exercising or are there unknown carcinogens in silver klister?
Or is it because that cradle to grave security system makes them soft and
they give up more easily? My final theory is: TOO MUCH STRINDBERG!
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Feb 23, 2017 - 02:40am PT
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Why try and argue around it? Face up to it and fix it.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Feb 23, 2017 - 05:05am PT
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Come to think of it, last year I read an interesting essay by Norm Chominsky (in general I'm not a big fan) where he was speculating about the failures of the left in Latin America to produce sustainable improvements over the last 10 or 15 years. Anyways, he brought up South Korea as an example of how remarkable changes can happen in a country over a relatively short period of time. He said that back in the 1940s South Korea was one of the poorest countries in the world, on par with the poorest countries in Africa, having one of the lowest standards of living and an average life expectancy at around 30 years. Something to consider.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Feb 23, 2017 - 07:40am PT
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Lollie aroused my curiosity about about the "why and why not" of longevity and when you start looking for information it gets overwhelming.
No surprise to the fact that western countries lead the world with death from ischaemic heart disease, caused either by lifestyle or genetics. The other factors for mortality in the U.S. and globally are as varied as the geography and cultures themselves.
When searching for data on the World Health Organization I stumbled on this tidbit of information.
"By 2050, the world’s population aged 60 years and older is expected to total 2 billion, up from 900 million in 2015. Today, 125 million people are aged 80 years or older. By 2050, there will be almost this many (120 million) living in China alone, and 434 million people in this age group worldwide. 80% of all older people will live in low- and middle-income countries. "
A worthy foot note to longevity in the same article:
"If people can experience these extra years of life in good health and if they live in a supportive environment, their ability to do the things they value will be little different from that of a younger person. If these added years are dominated by declines in physical and mental capacity, the implications for older people and for society are more negative."
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 23, 2017 - 07:59am PT
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In Junior High School, we ran a lap around the schoolyard every day to start P.E. class as a warm-up for what was to come. It worked out to be about a half-mile loop, out one gate, onto the city sidewalk for a block, then back into the schoolyard. Walking was not an option. It took about five minutes and no one thought it was a big deal.
Today I drive past the same Junior High ( it's a *middle school* now ) and see they "run" the same course at P.E. But only about one-in-ten students are actually running or even jogging. The rest are just walking, dragging their fat asses along looking like they're being tortured.
And they are fat. 40 years ago, there was maybe one fat kid in each class. I'm not talking one per classroom. There was one fat kid - at most - in each graduating class. Now it seems the whole goddamn class is a bunch of lard-asses. At thirteen.
Their diets make them fat. Being fat makes them slow. Being slow keeps them fat.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2017 - 09:37am PT
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Gawd, Reilly, come on. You've been here.
60th degree around the globe.
The vodkabelt.
Now that we're civilised and drink wine instead, we drink more. That's like drinking water, we crave more to be satisfied. We're a nation of slim beautiful tall alcoholic lazy asses.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2017 - 09:45am PT
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After many medical studies on alcohol and fats, scientists have come to the following conclusion:
The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
The Italians drink a lot of red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
French eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and other fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
Conclusion: Eat and drink what you want. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Feb 23, 2017 - 09:55am PT
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Life expectancy at birth is a poor measure of the health of a community. It is overused and poorly understood. There are a couple of ways of calculating it but they both involve life tables. You basically take a theoretical population (say 100,000 persons) and then apply 5- or 10-year age-specific mortality rates to them. You kill them off and see who's left.
Life expectancy at birth is very sensitive to infant mortality. A lot of the differences diminish substantially if you look at life expectancy from age 1. It's sensitive to child mortality, which the U.S. does not do very well in.
QALYs (Quality Adjusted Life Years) are constructed by adding a few more columns to the life tables where you look at quality of life data. Is living longer the goal? Or is the goal to be healthy longer?
The bottom line is that life expectancy is very sensitive to infant mortality and not a good measure of a healthy life expectancy.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 23, 2017 - 10:04am PT
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Lollie, I never learned the svensk ord for 'lazy', or is it amerikansk?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 23, 2017 - 10:10am PT
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There should be a better metric than how long until your heart stops beating and you decompose.
I'll take 75 active and healthy years over 85 just barely surviving physically on a cocktail of Big Pharma's best.
Lots of nursing care facilities growing carrots these days. Big money.
Some more qualitative metric is required....
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2017 - 10:19am PT
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Why they measure it that way is because infant mortality is an extremely good way to measure a nation's health status. It says a lot.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2017 - 10:20am PT
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Reilly.
;-)
Lat.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 23, 2017 - 10:37am PT
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Life expectancy tables give survival rate for an individual at birth. Not one baby has ever asked me
how long it would live. Not a single one. Nor has a twenty year old climber ever asked that question.
The young believe they will live forever. Here's a question that everyone eventually asks.
At what age is there a fifty fifty chance I will be dead?
In my case I have a fifty percent chance of being dead within ten years. I have a five percent chance
of living to 99. Out of twenty people in my situation, only one will make it to 99. Y'all can calculate
this for yourselves from the life tables.
A single observation is able to illuminate the variation in life expectancy with state of residence.
During the Mexican war the death rate due to yellow fever was something like 50%. Hardly anyone
was killed by a bullet. Entire populations among the Inca's and Aztec's were wiped out by Spanish
diseases. Only yuuge improvements have allowed expectancies in the southern states to be even
close to those in states that get cold in the winter. Northward advances in the regions subject to
tropical diseases may be the biggest result of global warming.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 23, 2017 - 10:44am PT
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The microbes are working 24/7 towards our ultimate demise.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 23, 2017 - 12:05pm PT
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After many medical studies on alcohol and fats, scientists have come to the following conclusion:
The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
The Italians drink a lot of red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
French eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and other fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
Conclusion: Eat and drink what you want. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.
I got the gist of where you were going from your first post, but I suppose other readers who aren't as familiar with your schtick may appreciate the clarification.
At least I can savor my giant Philly-cheese-steak, potato chips, and soda lunch in peace, knowing that it's our political system that's to blame for our awful health rather than our terrible diets and lifestyles.
I assume your reference to English speaking was just a joke--the people in most of the countries you mention probably speak better English than most of us Americans. Can't say for sure about the Brits' English-language skills--they do have nice accents, but misspell and use the wrong words surprisingly often.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 23, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
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The microbes are working 24/7 towards our ultimate demise.
Microbes need somewhere to live too.
There are far more microbes inside you right now working towards your ultimate success than there are ones working against you.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 23, 2017 - 12:25pm PT
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There are far more microbes inside you right now working towards your ultimate success than there are ones working against you.
Speak for yerself you lucky man!
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Feb 23, 2017 - 12:55pm PT
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I don't buy this bit of fake news. For one thing most of these figures are compiled and sourced by UN agencies who run fantastically bloated programs ( largely funded by the US and other western countries). It is in their self-perpetuating vested interests to tweak the numbers to show these programs are working when in fact the data is probably inconclusive, or perhaps even non-existent. It also gives these globalist bureaucrats a chance to give it to the US in the shorts , which always makes their day.
If you scratch the surface a little deeper you'll often find advocacy for government-run healthcare front and center, but with a new twist: they're talking about global government this time, folks.
Does anyone really believe the data on life expectancy for Indonesia or El Salvador or Libya are accurate and scrupulously gathered?
Does anyone really believe the life expectancy in China is improving by leaps and bounds ( which would necessarily have to be happening in the world's most populous nation to make such global life expectancy numbers jive)
The pollution in much of urban China is so bad you have to use a flashlight to see at noon.
A fake news story like this only invites American libtardia to once again dump all over the US and their fellow citizens; it is what they are expected to do in order to get with the the globalist program.This seems to be the only real purpose for these types of reports.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 23, 2017 - 01:26pm PT
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Seems to me there's more money and power not in a "global" government but in manipulating what we have now. Much easier to have the proles identify with imaginary lines on maps and kill each other over them rather than focusing on who is really the source of their ills.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Feb 23, 2017 - 01:38pm PT
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I don't buy this bit of fake news.
"The great thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it."
 Neil Degrasse Tyson
Curt
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 23, 2017 - 04:04pm PT
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Trotter, you could actually read the study if you wanted to. None of those countries you mentioned are in the study.
We applied this approach to project age-specific mortality to 2030 in 35 industrialised countries with high-quality vital statistics data.
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chill
climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
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Feb 23, 2017 - 04:08pm PT
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Trotter, you could actually read the study if you wanted to.
Don't waste your time, folks. It's fake news. FAKE NEWS!
Makes us look bad. Gotta be that fake news.
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Feb 23, 2017 - 04:52pm PT
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There are far more microbes inside you right now working towards your ultimate success than there are ones working against you.
Speak for yerself you lucky man!
90% of the cells in your body are microbes, eat/drink fermented foods daily and you will feel better
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2017 - 06:01pm PT
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Can't say for sure about the Brits' English-language skills--they do have nice accents, but misspell and use the wrong words surprisingly often.
That's seriously funny! :-)
Pray tell me what my schtick is. I wouldn't know.
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