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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 11, 2017 - 11:19pm PT
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Presumably there is advertiser revenue, and the original model called for member to member messages, but same does not function... should i be waiting? or should i think of the site as i do of the FDA?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 12, 2017 - 04:53am PT
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I don't understand it at all.
Once upon a time it worked just fine. We were told that it was getting worked on. It has gotten to the point where everyone just gave up on it.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Feb 12, 2017 - 09:48am PT
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All complaints should be sent by private message to user "Cmac", you just gotta be patient.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 12, 2017 - 10:03am PT
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I thought CMac and crew were well aware of this. They look at the forum. It's perfectly fine to complain right here. It's been a couple years, how patient does one have to be about this?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Feb 12, 2017 - 10:15am PT
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I was just kidding. I think Cmac has made it clear that,other than banning flagrant abusers, little or no work will be put into this forum, he has bigger fish to fry. His Outdoor Gear Lab generates far more traffic than ST. I am just glad the forum works.
Maybe someone could set up a private re-emailer? would be pretty easy to do.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2017 - 09:42pm PT
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speed bump
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 15, 2017 - 09:44pm PT
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Yeah...What if Anita is trying to contact me...?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 15, 2017 - 09:48pm PT
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Yeah...What if Anita is trying to contact me...?
Hahaha
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Feb 15, 2017 - 10:52pm PT
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pipes are clogged
the snake's too short
bacon grease 'n
coffee grounds
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Feb 17, 2017 - 02:02pm PT
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Bump. I wonder why we can't get a reply from the admin. about this. I have found it very useful in the past and now it just seems irksome. It has been a about a year since any of my PMs have gone through, or maybe everyone has just been ignoring me.;)
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 17, 2017 - 02:15pm PT
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The "I won't accept" feature works fine. Have you checked your settings?
Public Profile Information:*
Nickname: zBrown
From:
Favorite Type of Climbing: Ice climber
Member-to-Member Messages: Disabled
= *Public Profile Info is viewable by other registered SuperTopo members
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Aug 22, 2018 - 11:48am PT
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I am wondering if private messaging is working. I sent several a few days ago and have heard nothing. If anyone has sent or received a pm in the last week, could you respond here?
Eric Beck, Bishop
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 22, 2018 - 01:59pm PT
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As far as I know, ST messaging has NOT worked for several years now.
If you want to email RJ, the admin, to ask send to rj(at) supertopo.com
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Aug 22, 2018 - 02:23pm PT
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I know php. I would fix it for free.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 22, 2018 - 02:25pm PT
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They don’t want it to work so they’re not liable for twisted knickers and death threats.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Aug 22, 2018 - 03:01pm PT
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It would make life easier if the member mail worked, but if you need to contact someone you can either clutter the front page with a "shout out" or what works best for me is contacting someone that "knows someone that knows someone." Eventually you get there......hey the route is not always straight forward. :)
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Aug 22, 2018 - 03:12pm PT
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It has not worked since FatTrad bought the forum portion of the SuperTopo enterprise.
He has a brilliant political mind, but is not that tech savvy...
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 22, 2018 - 03:23pm PT
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I know php. I would fix it for free.
Eric, I think RJ is quite capable technically. There is no incentive or mandate to get messaging working though, imho. I'm pretty sure they could get it functioning, if they wanted to.
edit - reading Jim B and Reilly's post - ok, so it's broken on purpose....
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Yeti
Trad climber
Ketchum, Idaho
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Aug 22, 2018 - 04:32pm PT
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Eric: I sent you a member to member e mail some time ago and never received a reply. It was to pass on best regards from Michael Levonas. He's written a nice book about his late wife you would enjoy.
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Aug 22, 2018 - 05:40pm PT
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Well, Yeti, we now know why your message failed. Mike Levonas, a deep reach into the past. We ran together in San Diego. He was a superb cyclist.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Aug 22, 2018 - 06:02pm PT
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I have sent many Supertopo emails trying to get in contact with others, and never received any replys for a few years now.
 Maybe I am just on the naughty list and nobody loves me.
:(
tear.....
tear....
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cavemonkey
Ice climber
ak
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Aug 22, 2018 - 09:24pm PT
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Do we really need another myface?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 29, 2018 - 09:26am PT
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This thing really ought to be made to work.
If anyone receives negative correspondence and/or thinks they might be a target, all they need to do is disable member to member communication on their end.
I disabled mine, simply so that those who are unaware of this ridiculously ineffectual member to member function being intentionally disabled, if/when they try to send me a PM, don't get the idea I'm ignoring them.
So yeah, now any of us who want to communicate with other members simply have to post up our contact information here in public. That's a liability for us, and it's just plain sloppy.
CMAC/RJ: what are you guys thinking here?
Should we put together a kickstarter campaign to pay you guys to fix this problem? Or maybe you should just tell us straight out, it's a liability for you, and delete that function altogether, rather than leaving it as a misleading/boarded-up portal.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 29, 2018 - 09:42am PT
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Second that, Roy. Having that function not work is like driving a second class luxury auto...still pretty good, but the heater's not working.
Plenty of other analogies, but the bottom line is they don't CARE.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 29, 2018 - 09:47am PT
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Member-to-member email is a great idea, but it only works if everyone respects social boundaries, that is, having the privilege to contact another member means not using that in an abusive manner.
I can only speculate, but based on some hearsay I know that some members sent emails to others that were "out-of-bounds." No doubt in egregious cases the site admins would hear about it, and they are not about regulating social convention or adjudicating disagreements between members.
There were also accusations made by some members, as posted in the Forum, that they suspected the admins of reading their email, a violation of what they considered to be their privacy.
Once again, I don't know any of the details, but it seems the easiest solution would be to eliminate the function.
I know when I was contacted by a member who included various links I was not all that interested in clicking, I greatly annoyed that member by posting the sent email, including the email address of the sender (the email facility gives you access to other member's email). The sender thought I showed a lack of "class" doing so, but didn't consider their email to me to be inappropriate.
The point being that once you send the email, you loose control of how that email is used, including the email address and other personal information. Those using anonymous avatars but an identifiable email address are then no longer anonymous, and they don't like that.
The Forum provides a means of voluntary communication, the Forum's email facility is "involuntary" with the exception that you can opt out of it entirely. On the Forum you can post something and get replies in public, the email is private, and that opens up all sorts of potential problems.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Dec 29, 2018 - 09:58am PT
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It's fine if they don't want member to member email.
Just remove the link already.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 29, 2018 - 10:12am PT
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...but it only works if everyone respects social boundaries, that is, having the privilege to contact another member means not using that in an abusive manner.
On the internet? Good luck with that. :-)
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Dec 29, 2018 - 10:20am PT
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Edit:
I was composing - What Doc H said.
&It still runs. So I'll keep using it as long as I can but I ain't putting one more dime in it.
Posted from a van down by Jalopy Creek.
DMT What DMT is alluding to is that;
the owners love to watch us rust.
We are not worth the effort or even an occasional buffing at this point.
The whole truck is rusted out & all the holes where there once was rust, are the missing.
God bless us, everyone going slowly into our own holes in the year 2019!
Again, did anyone who led on hexs back in the 70s think we'd make 40 let alone 50?
but i put in the effort and well here it is:
Haha, mfm, & Tar....!
both well received members here on the forum.
really?
you can't guess & have no idea?
Come On.
Before my time a certain person took the name "Hardman" & was the devil in the works.
As I said it was years before I showed up to be kicked around & I was not a party to any of what went on. I was given a hint in my 1st week here that there was a strong undercurrent of hard-core bullying that went with the above board bullying.
We have lost the input from some of the strongest climbers of the last 2 generations due to one or two sociopaths & one or two psychopaths.
One can never be sure but the reappearance of that or it, has
led to many leaving off from posting, & leaving the 'campfire' as a whole.
All sorts of people, Big Bob only speaks on the "birds thread"
All the women & both "Nature" & "Survival"'s Bailing...
Why did everyone gang up on Ron Anderson, calling him wrong was.... wrong.
It went on beyond that
I could share 1 or 2 of the Emails that I have received, I imagine that Rj/CMac, have archived a few of the way off base communique as well.
The reason we can't have nice things is not that the 'rents can't afford them,
(although that is in a sense the reason that the member to member is de-activated)
it is that the 'rando's' abuse of them cannot be allowed to continue & afforded a place to attack others from.
Yes, the Liability of having prior knowledge may not hold up in a court, but it is too icky to have to debate sides.
"Herding cats" does not come close to the sort of piggish behavior that went on.
Then there was the whole Mathew Gilcrest episode that most likely led to some well paid for legal opinions on the matter.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 29, 2018 - 11:16am PT
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Gnome,
I get all of that, of course.
What I'm saying is, the member to member function should be fixed, or it should go away. As it stands, it's misleading to those who don't know it's disabled.
Second: as to what Ed said, at least partly, regarding fixing the member to member function. Mountain Project has a functioning member to member portal, and you can choose to not disclose your e-mail, or reply to a first contact message with your actual e-mail, IIRC. So there is a functional concession toward anonymity which is technically possible, when constructing a member to member communication feature.
Third: I'm just not buying it from CMAC that the advertising revenue from the ads on this forum is insignificant. To me this is just a disingenuous and transparent ploy, and a way of saying we forum members have no leverage. If there weren't some level of income significance, there wouldn't be any advertising. Advertising income represents a significant, if not primary income source of many internet-based business models, does it not? So I'm guessing it pays well enough to extend to us, the contributors and content providers who those advertisers reach, a modicum of respect concerning this particular issue with the member to member portal.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Dec 29, 2018 - 11:25am PT
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Start a new trend... put your email address as a watermark type thing on your profile pic. Or a garblebase but decipherable set of words in the “where you from” box... Not searchable by the scary Russian bots but will come up when all the hand wringing hits its peak, and “moar contact” must be made.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 29, 2018 - 11:26am PT
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Do I sense restiveness amongst the inmates?
Remember, yer kept here for free.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 29, 2018 - 12:26pm PT
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Though there is some truth to that, Reilly, and it's kind of funny as appraisals go, by my lights it's not entirely fair or accurate.
I'm not so sure it's free, regarding the contributors. People who present trip reports are expending their time in order to craft their reportage and offering their photographs which have intrinsic value at the least, in terms of climbing content, upon which CMAC leverages advertising income. To those of us who thoughtfully provide meaningful and cogent dialogue regarding climbing topics, we are giving of our time, along with varying degrees of effort, which is not free, upon which CMAC leverages advertising income.
Okay, back to goofing off. That's certainly free, in every sense, and to your point we certainly dole out plenty of it!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Dec 29, 2018 - 12:36pm PT
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well, as there is a point to be made that many do provide the constant 'hits' that in turn drive ad revenue, it is not that great an ask. The reason the feature remains is probably that it still collects what missives get sent. I'm not sure that the legal opinion wasn't along the lines of
E`fm, if they want to get to one another let them open a Fishy products site of their own, then let everyone know that if you want, you can try to reach me at wattafugger.dot com or org or whatever.
edit:
And then there is Donald Perry; with the cure; petroleum spirits.
& still cooking himself
is it too soon or the wrong place to add "guffaw"
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Dec 29, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
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To those of us who thoughtfully provide meaningful and cogent dialogue regarding climbing topics, we are giving of our time, along with varying degrees of effort, which is not free, upon which CMAC leverages advertising income.
Putting value on any personal contributions here is the first step to terminal butt-hurt....
The end is near. If you value it, put it in/on your own depository. Don't wait for the big "poof" that will inevitably happen and leave many shocked and slack jawed contributers standing there in the dark with their collective dicks in their hands.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Dec 29, 2018 - 02:00pm PT
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Resolving the security issues of the modern web is likely over this site's pay grade. I would guess this is the main reason there is no messaging. It's a huge potential security hole for everyone here that requires another level of engineering to maintain.
Back when it was working - I'm often an a-hole here and I've only received like 2 messages ever - both congratulating me in agreement.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2018 - 06:03pm PT
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ahhh.. leave it to Russ to put it plainly...
but, then the question, if the feature is never to be provided, why continue to show it to your customer??
but, asking such questions, or pointing out that a gear review is incorrect, will get your account disabled so you can no longer post photos...
the SS is nearer than you think
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 30, 2018 - 06:15pm PT
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I have mfm's regular email address, but a while back we tested the the ST member to member and it worked fine.
Just retesting tonight
If it is working we will consider offering a class.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Dec 30, 2018 - 06:28pm PT
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Ed B, I love your eye, your photography is always inspiring.
I cannot fathom why you would be blocked from posting?
the feature remains, it works for some.
the next line is no more than a snowflake look away & it will be gone
(_-_--_gone_--_)
The reason to keep the feature is. . . . . . because it is there.
Also
to keep it there takes nothing, to remove it, would require. . .
what would it require? (beyond my pay grade)
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 30, 2018 - 09:32pm PT
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Start a new trend... put your email address as a watermark type thing on your profile pic.
that is the practice of Steganography
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 30, 2018 - 09:47pm PT
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Anyway we always send ST member to member messages
Encrytpted
That said I tried to send a message to myself but I did not receive it
It said goddamnit leave me alone
So maybe it did work
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Dec 31, 2018 - 10:14am PT
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Good links Ed, thanks
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Dec 31, 2018 - 07:13pm PT
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I don't get it. I thought the message system used to just forward a pm to your email, without giving out your email address. So no one could send harrassing messages to you unless you volunteer to allow messages. And you can change it to opt out at any point.
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