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Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 11, 2017 - 09:11pm PT
I didn't vote for him but so far, I can't complain. Still wish it was Cruz in there but Trump is doing pretty well in his first few weeks.

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 11, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
Selfish troll.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 11, 2017 - 09:48pm PT
#watchthe frothing
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 11, 2017 - 09:54pm PT
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Feb 11, 2017 - 09:55pm PT
I didn't vote for him but so far, I can't complain. Still wish it was Cruz in there but Trump is doing pretty well in his first few weeks.

Got PCP?
EdBannister

Mountain climber
13,000 feet
Feb 11, 2017 - 10:00pm PT
Jody are you there now?

as for green fees Hocking, think of it as a 200 dollar discount from The Wynn golf club.
and that thing, while in great shape, is flat, and has no ocean view.
For a well maintained course with an ocean view in southern cal, Pelican Hill in Newport is $400.00.
Now you don't need to whine about Trump's golf course, we already have enough whining about all the other stuff.

funny, i just can't seem to remember tea party riots, burned cars, destroyed property over Obama becoming President.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Feb 12, 2017 - 05:26am PT
He's doing better than any President since Reagan.

In what ways?
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 12, 2017 - 06:46am PT
The troll trolling.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2017 - 06:47am PT
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/opinion/preserving-the-sanctity-of-all-facts.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0&referer=https://m.facebook.com/
divad

Trad climber
wmass
Feb 12, 2017 - 07:04am PT
0 for 4 in court. Perfect so far.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 12, 2017 - 07:31am PT

I've seen many good comedies.
I've seen some good horror movies.
But I have never been attracted to reality shows. I find their pretention to be really annoying.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 12, 2017 - 07:33am PT
He's doing better than any President since Reagan.

Gufffaaaawwww!

Now, that shit's funny.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 12, 2017 - 07:47am PT
Jest in case Judy is thinking silence means agreement, I do believe El Trump will be a historic president.

The worst ever.

Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Feb 12, 2017 - 07:57am PT
People hope for the better and are concerned about worse outcome at the same time.
I hoped that Trump would be better than Obama.
I was wrong.

Trump is as bad as Obama from point of view of dealing with opposition in parliament.
So far both used "My way or highway" approach.
Without building bridges we would get even nastier elections in four years.

How can we assure that a more collaborative president than Obama/Trump is elected next time?
This is the only important issue. All other issues are unimportant from point of view of preservation of American democracy.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 12, 2017 - 08:04am PT
A fascist by any name. As vile totalitarians have rallied their imbeciles before.
Here , we have Trump doing so.
idiots willing to see the danger but ignore it are the recipe that is successful to allow an authoritarian dictatorship to take control.
You have now yourselves to thank, you, as tip of the spear represent the stupid poor that has fed the pigs since we lost World War II . . . . .by electing Putin puppet, a Russian stooge.
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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 12, 2017 - 08:07am PT
Yury...Russians' influencing the US elections...Trumps non-stop trash talking...How can the next election get any nastier...?
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 12, 2017 - 08:10am PT
Don't feed the troll.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 12, 2017 - 08:10am PT
I agree - as far as electing lying, sociopathic fascists to the presidency goes.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 12, 2017 - 08:12am PT
This is the only important issue

Really? Not according to James Carville and Bill:
"It's the economy, stupid."
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 12, 2017 - 08:29am PT
So far, so good, the most clusterf*#k in the the first three weeks of any president..

Check out Brannon's moral compass..the occultist fascist who inspired Benito Mussolini.

Julius Ebola
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Evola
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2017 - 09:42am PT
He's doing great, if you're deep in the military industrial complex, and don't mind destroying the Earth through war, pollution and famine. But America and their KGB overlords should be in charge of the smoking disease filled ruins. So that's good.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 12, 2017 - 09:46am PT

And oftentimes, to win us to our harm,
The instruments of darkness tell us truths,
Win us with honest trifles, to betray ’s
In deepest consequence.

Once upon a time there was a nuclear blast and the only survivor was a lowly bank clerk with Coke bottle glasses,
who seemed quite happy to have survived the blast because he had got his beloved books in the bank vault with him
--until he had to go looking for food outside and accidentally stepped on his glasses...
bentelbow

climber
spud state
Feb 12, 2017 - 10:01am PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7GP3l5znc8
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 12, 2017 - 02:04pm PT
Trump is as bad as Obama from point of view of dealing with opposition in parliament.
So far both used "My way or highway" approach.
Without building bridges we would get even nastier elections in four years.

How can we assure that a more collaborative president than Obama/Trump is elected next time?
This is the only important issue. All other issues are unimportant from point of view of preservation of American democracy.

For folks with this viewpoint, I am curious about your views on our educational system and Betsy De Vos?


From my perspective, our increasingly polarized society is a function of several things:
1. Cable TV and and radio with customized channels/content that play to specific market segments
2. Internet sourced news where people can customize their content preferences and friends with whom they exchange feedback or vent

People getting to seek out news that confirms their basic viewpoints or biases intensifies the polarization, and creates more intransigent factions in all branches of government. The problem is that each side has to cater to their base which will see it as a betrayal if the politician compromises with the other side.


This polarization will become more extreme if we let centralized education standards erode and we have vouchers for customized private schools, so the extremes of each party can school their kids in less fact-based education to more deeply indoctrinate them in viewpoints that lead to even less ability to compromise for creating a rule of law.

Imagine 4-year olds reciting quotes from Breitbart? How far until we have the brown shirt uniforms and an updated patriotic salute?
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 12, 2017 - 02:20pm PT
scott this is what I think about when it comes to our current school system.. havens to Betsy she might help the schools out
get rid of those damn teachers unions. disgust

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 12, 2017 - 02:22pm PT
Trump is as bad as Obama from point of view of dealing with opposition in parliament. So far both used "My way or highway" approach. Without building bridges we would get even nastier elections in four years.

Seriously? The right went into full-blown obstructionist mode the day Obama was elected. His biggest failing was wasting his first to years trying to reason with gop members in congress. At no point was the gop receptive to 'bridges'. Obama resorted to EO when the gop members in congress made it imminently clear they would not be entertaining anything he had to say. And he was quite reasonable compared to a lying sociopathic fascist like trump.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Feb 12, 2017 - 03:10pm PT
This editorial makes a good point. If Democrats ever want a share of the federal government they should alter their tactics.

Ross Kaminsky in the Denver Post
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Feb 12, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
Navy says over half of its air fleet can't fly
US Navy officials have alerted Congress that budget cuts and other factors have led more than half of its air fleet to be grounded.

Not good.
ecdh

climber
the east
Feb 12, 2017 - 05:18pm PT
Is this the same trump that campaigned sayin allies like japan need to be cut, but who yesterday claimed to be in 100% support of?
Its one thing to coerce your own nation, another to f*#k others.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2017 - 05:22pm PT
Not good.



We outspend China, KSA, Russia, France, UK, India, Germany COMBINED!!

More trillions, it's the only answer.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 12, 2017 - 05:34pm PT
What is good about our intelligence community not feeling safe to share intelligence with the White House? About NSA witholding the best details of their intelligence because they don't trust that the Whitehouse won't leak it and Trump probably won't read it anyways?

http://observer.com/2017/02/donald-trump-administration-mike-flynn-russian-embassy/

What’s going on was explained lucidly by a senior Pentagon intelligence official, who stated that “since January 20, we’ve assumed that the Kremlin has ears inside the SITROOM,” meaning the White House Situation Room, the 5,500 square-foot conference room in the West Wing where the president and his top staffers get intelligence briefings. “There’s not much the Russians don’t know at this point,” the official added in wry frustration.

None of this has happened in Washington before.

Maybe it is fake news. Ok... let's see who owns this media outlet... doh!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_Media

Owned by Jared Kushner, son in law to Trump??? So the inside circle of Trump owns the publication of this message? Either the media reporting is independent or it is some type of reverse-psychology thing? Maybe they want to show that the intelligence community is not honoring their duty to share stuff with the White House, but instead it is backfiring to show the incompetence and conflicts of interest and consequences of the White House actions? Or maybe it's a half-baked counter-intelligence strategy, where they hope to make the Russians let their guard down while they make super-secret plans that are going to be huge, that we are going to love.

What do conservative folks make of this?



Edit: Maybe it's laying the groundwork for Trump to fire Flynn and blame him for all the Russian-related controversies to get a clean slate on that front?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 12, 2017 - 06:40pm PT
Nut, relax, the White House is showing man coverage but they'll drop into a zone at the snap.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 12, 2017 - 06:45pm PT
Donald Trump to John Travolta: Sorry Your Son Died; Can I Bang Your Wife?

Yes, Donald Trump, who would've been 62 years old at the time, thought it was appropriate to offer his condolences to a grieving mother by first telling the story of his unsuccessful attempts to have sex with her.

Oh wait, that was before he got elected. He's obviously matured.

WBraun

climber
Feb 12, 2017 - 06:50pm PT
AMERICANS DO NOT FEAR

EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONTROL

roll eyes ....... :-)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 12, 2017 - 07:01pm PT
How appropriate!

WBraun

climber
Feb 12, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
Hahahaha way too funny ......
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Feb 12, 2017 - 07:10pm PT
We outspend China, KSA, Russia, France, UK, India, Germany COMBINED!!

More trillions, it's the only answer.

Are you talking about spending or production?
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 12, 2017 - 07:41pm PT
The way I see it, the B's overtook the R's with a last minute surge.

What was the over-under? I'm guessing 5, but I don't bet on public forums (they're all rigged doncha know?).


ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Feb 12, 2017 - 11:25pm PT
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 13, 2017 - 04:25am PT
There is a creature skulking in the depths of the White House....can't wait for the exterminators to come!
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Feb 13, 2017 - 05:36am PT
Trump vs Truth: Trump is winning. So much winning. Sad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xecEV4dSAXE

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 13, 2017 - 05:40am PT
Really good read from outside our bubble:

You wrote an article for Slate in November, comparing the rise of Donald Trump with the rise of Adolf Hitler. Why did you feel the need to publish such a piece?

It’s very important that we use history to our advantage now, rather than finding in history taboos and ways to silence one another. The history of the 1930s is terribly important to Americans (and Europeans) right now, just as it is slipping from our memories. I was not trying to provoke one more fruitless series of conversations about comparability. I was trying to help Americans who were generally either shocked (people who voted against Trump) or surprised (people who voted for him, who generally thought he would lose) find their bearings in a new situation. The temptation in a new situation is to imagine that nothing has changed. That is a choice that has political consequences: self-delusion leads to half-conscious anticipatory obedience and then to regime change. Anyway, I didn’t actually compare Trump to Hitler, I didn’t use these two names. What I did was to write a very short history of the rise of Adolf Hitler to power without using his name, which might allow Americans to recognize certain similarities to the moment they themselves were living through. I know that these comparisons are a national taboo in Germany, but at the moment its rather important that Germans be generous with their history and help others to learn how republics collapse. Most Americans are exceptionalists, we think we live outside of history. Americans tend to think: “We have freedom because we love freedom, we love freedom because we are free.” It is a bit circular and doesn’t acknowledge the historical structures that can favor or weaken democratic republics. We don’t realize how similar our predicaments are to those of other people.



http://international.sueddeutsche.de/post/157058066625/we-have-at-most-a-year-to-defend-american
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 13, 2017 - 06:36am PT
NICE! John Oliver is back...


Faith vs Facts
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:07am PT


madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 13, 2017 - 09:03am PT
All I get is penis lengthening ads, and anyone west of the Mississippi can tell you that is the last thing I need!!

It's not so much about length as about girth.

I never see ads about that.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 13, 2017 - 10:28am PT
Trump is doing pretty well in his first few weeks.


An interesting cross section of Americans seem to think so.

Curt
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 13, 2017 - 12:19pm PT
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 13, 2017 - 12:20pm PT
The end result of this, though, is that our opponents, the media, and the whole world will soon see, as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial, and will not be questioned.





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Don Lauria

Trad climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 13, 2017 - 01:56pm PT
I've survived long enough to have lived under the terms of Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Papa Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, and Obama.

I wasn't necessarily proud of some of them, but Trump is the ONLY one that that ever made me feel embarrassed.
divad

Trad climber
wmass
Feb 13, 2017 - 01:57pm PT
All I get is penis lengthening ads, and anyone west of the Mississippi can tell you that is the last thing I need!!

what you need is to post up a picture of your hands to verify this...
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Belmont, California
Feb 13, 2017 - 02:01pm PT
During the 'Twilight of the Gods' in Berlin in April 1945, there were those who still believed that their Fuhrer would save the 1000-year Reich. However, the Red Army proved them all wrong.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 13, 2017 - 02:38pm PT
If so far so good means having your national security advisor having shady contacts with the Russian ambassador, yeah it's all good!
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 13, 2017 - 02:50pm PT
yes Jody, yes, things are better these days.

it was tough under obama, I know.

things are so good right now, and it'll be even better when the spetznaz arrive


it will be great. terrific, even.























Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 13, 2017 - 02:58pm PT
what you need is to post up a picture of your hands to verify this...

I suspect Locker is cranking out a gem as we speak
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Feb 13, 2017 - 03:04pm PT
He's doing great, if you're deep in the military industrial complex, and don't mind destroying the Earth through war, pollution and famine

Any Republican (Cruz, Pence, Bush, etc) could/would have done that.

But Trump is degrading our institutions. Presidents criticize judicial rulings that go against them all the time. But saying judicial rulings are an illegitimate exercise of power, encouraging border agents to ignore judicial rulings...

Bush's you're either with us or against us, was bad. Trumps attacks on the international systems and institutions, like NATO, are really bad. That damage won't be quickly repaired.

If Trump manages to help break the Euro up, it will cause a world financial crises.

And the list goes on, and on, and on...
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Feb 13, 2017 - 03:07pm PT
I've survived long enough to have lived under the terms of Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Papa Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, and Obama.

I wasn't necessarily proud of some of them, but Trump is the ONLY one that that ever made me feel embarrassed.

Nixon wasn't embarrassing? You sure about that?

Nixon's paranoia and corruption was bad. But Trump may very well do more damage to America. That would be quit the accomplishment.
ecdh

climber
the east
Feb 13, 2017 - 03:24pm PT
My gut churns every time he descends those stairs to airforce 1 and gives that pathetic, gutless, wannabe salute to the real men obliged to marshall him.

The gutless f*#k wont even learn to salute. What else cant he be bothered with?
Don Lauria

Trad climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 13, 2017 - 05:16pm PT
August West, the fact that Trump has the vocabulary of a five-year-old embarrasses me. Nixon's vocabulary was more adult.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 13, 2017 - 05:19pm PT
It was a unique time, but Nixon was the father of the EPA, which 45 now seeks to destroy with his oil lackey Pruitt.
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Feb 13, 2017 - 05:29pm PT
I have a visceral dislike for liars. Habitually lying is not a good personality trait for a president.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 13, 2017 - 06:11pm PT
So much negativity coming from the libtards...Where's the Haldol...?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 13, 2017 - 06:19pm PT
August West, the fact that Trump has the vocabulary of a five-year-old embarrasses me. Nixon's vocabulary was more adult.

Nixon is looking pretty good about now. Yes, he was a crook, but he opened relations with China. He also started the EPA.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 13, 2017 - 07:03pm PT
4. He really does have a kind soul.


Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 13, 2017 - 07:05pm PT
I didn't vote for him but so far, I can't complain. Still wish it was Cruz in there but Trump is doing pretty well in his first few weeks.

Trump is a slacker: Obama had signed more executive orders at this stage in his presidency and he had sent to congress a bill for the bail out, enacted by the Congress in February and signed into law on February 17, 2009.

Trump is also a whiner. Everything is "so unfair!" Sackup. You're the President of the USA, forcryingoutloud.

Can any of us imagine any other President saying, "It's so unfair." ALL THE TIME!

Interesting tidbit: there is only a weak correlation between rationality and intelligence.

In the work I do, I have had business owners who are just like Trump. They are pretty much klutzs, but they had the wherewithal to just keep going, collateral damage and a string of bankruptcies be damned. Eventually they either fail spectacularly or sell for millions and live well. Most of them are very charming and all are smart, or at least smart enough.

I have also worked as senior executive in really big, international corporations. A CEO of a really big company will have skills to run the government because they know how to manage through an organization, but the rule is simple: even really successful independent owners do not have the skills to manage large organizations and big company guys fall flat on their faces in the rough-and-tumble of a family business. Trump seems to be running the government on the basis that he can manage everything himself. The downside of this is that there are many aggressive folks in the government who will do what they think is best, and have the statutory authority to do so: they will go off their own way, screw up something, and then Trump will clamp down, insisting that every decision will be made in the West Wing. All those conservatives who want a smaller federal government are getting it.

I am with Don: I am embarrassed. Regarding Nixon, he might have been evil, but he was not inept. That said, I hope that Trump makes good on every one of his campaign pledges and that the right-wing nut cases in the congress get their way in every regard. At the end of four years I want to see a clear success or clear failure.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 13, 2017 - 07:09pm PT
Jody is a glass half-full kinda guy. Me too, sometimes.

On the bright side, I been gettin' mega-lovin' - like 9/11-evenin' caliber debauched delight - on the regular for the fact that a reality TV star what don't understand the nuclear triad has control of our military, through to the atomic teeth. So yeah, I hear you Jody-bear, things are just groovy. Fer us white, nominally heterosexual middle class vanilla-normative males, eh?

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 13, 2017 - 07:10pm PT
Not to worry. Soon the Winter of Our Discontent will pass and we'll be happy in the summertime.
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zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 13, 2017 - 07:11pm PT
Bullsheeit Judy

1: Hillary lost.

2: Complete repudiation of Obama's pathetic presidency.

3: Watching liberals completely melt down is about the most heartwarming entertainment I have witnessed in eons.

Hillary actually won the popular vote, though Trumph won in the electoral college

Nothing repudiated by a minority. Most folks, for example, favor "Obamacare"

I don't see any evidence of a meltdown. The snowpack is actually much higher than it's been in yearz.



Just what is your official po_lice take on raping and killing teenage girls ala Craig Peyer in San Diego?

Still no complaints?















BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 13, 2017 - 07:14pm PT
Edit; ^^^ EeWwwww!

I think it goes deeper than that, there cowboybravery.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 13, 2017 - 07:18pm PT


I may be short but I'll blow out the sides of the tuna-can tryin'a getta the bottom
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 13, 2017 - 07:27pm PT
Oh bravest of cowboys, don't disdain for ur half empty can can be made huge.

Jus start pumpin Trump
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 13, 2017 - 07:31pm PT

I mean, not that I needa address this publicly, but.......










































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zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 13, 2017 - 07:54pm PT
judy, judy, judy

You certainly have a way with words, god help you. Did you study with Klimner?

zBrown, you are an idiotic moron.


You're not gonna kill me now are ya?

Trump is just now engineering (well it's actually Bannon) a move to rescind Obama's rule and arm all mental defectives, though by the looks of you and your brothers in arms klan, a lot of them already are.

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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:12pm PT
So let's see, the repugnicans think they had Hillary nailed down on a couple of whopper lies, ala Benghazi and emails, and there were how many investigations?
Now their boy lies every f*#king day! And they're all like "cool"!
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:19pm PT
As a matter of fact Jim I know quite a few from Chief on down.

I used to go out for beers with them after 16 inch baseball games in the league I ran.

I've done ride alongs. They didn't hide anything.

Your comment is neither obvious nor true.

Did I know any of the MM killers personally?

Thankfully no!
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:25pm PT
Trump, with all his faults....


....just let Flynn fire every chamber in the Russian Roulette game the admin is playing
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:25pm PT
jody, do you feel ok with the untruths we see on a regular basis from the whitehouse staff, admin, etc. ...?
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:27pm PT
Take out the most populous state in the US and Trump wins....chortle, snort...
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:29pm PT
Brennan does not remember that whole mega-lawsuit what got a crackhead super rich LAPD video, apparently....?































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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:29pm PT
LYIN' FLYNN RESIGNS!!

First bit of accountability, CHECK!!

SCROTUS NOT HAPPY TO HAVE HAND CAUGHT IN COOKIE JAR!

SUB MAN MUST PAY!
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:33pm PT
I think the gold standard was abandoned long ago Jim.

Unpro (I.e. criminal) behavior is not at all uncommon, despite what many may think.

--Serpico




thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:33pm PT
another layer of the slavic-SCROTUS onion peels back, as if Manafort were not clear enough about the player-piano of the toiletbrush in chief's operators
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:41pm PT
^ lives in 'merica's hat and talks about policing integrity in the us^

#mountedbymounties
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 13, 2017 - 08:43pm PT
What makes for bad law is the code that you protect yo brothers (I wonder if female cops enjoy the same benefit) at all costs without regard to how severely reprehensible the conduct is.

Do I think Jody is a bad actor?

Naw!

He does deserve a good chain pulling now and again in light of some of the stuff he says .

A_dios
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 13, 2017 - 09:01pm PT
"Untruths", well I might be able to hug that. Why can't ya say "lies"? Can you detail a difference? Maybe we'd be better off giving this game a new title?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 13, 2017 - 09:30pm PT
Take out CA and Trump beat her handily in the popular vote.

If you take out all the people that voted for Clinton, Stein, and Johnson, why it was unanimous for Trump! 100%, baby! Even Stalin only got 97%!!
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Feb 13, 2017 - 09:44pm PT
Time for the good General Petraeus to ride to the rescue.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 13, 2017 - 09:49pm PT

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 13, 2017 - 10:08pm PT
you're lucky to have your 3/5ths vote there JB, so make it quick. ;-)



how do you feel about the perpetual public liemaking by our EC?
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Feb 13, 2017 - 10:10pm PT
"So you folks whining about the EC want CA to decide every time for the whole country?"

Yes Jody thats what i want-and why not? We drive both the economy and public policy, so yeah why not?
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Feb 13, 2017 - 10:13pm PT
General Petraeus the Centaur - Centaurs: the "bullkillers," are according to the earliest accounts a race of men who inhabited the mountains and forests of Thessaly. They are described as leading a rude and savage life, occasionally carrying off the women of their neighbours, as covered with hair and ranging over their mountains like animals.


Yes Jody thats what i want-and why not? We drive both the economy and public policy, so yeah why not?

Wow. That's pretty much the whole ball game. Impressive!

JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Feb 13, 2017 - 10:17pm PT
So is Trump's plan to fill the swamp to overflowing, fire them one by one and then drain the swamp later?...I'm confused but in like Flynn.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 13, 2017 - 10:37pm PT
let's hope it's just the hair/spray that's gone to his head.


MOR never sounded so sexy. I'd take some TPP for a little, uh, dignity
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 14, 2017 - 12:07am PT
yes, so far so good. I gave it 12-18 months before F*#kface von Clownstick would be gone. now I give it 12-18 weeks before the entire elected* team is gone.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 14, 2017 - 05:41am PT
So far so good...


Curt
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:52am PT
Well, for a lying as#@&%e Trump has been trying to fulfill his campaign promises I will give him that. But I still have no fuking clue why anyone would have voted for him, and I am NO fan of the Hillary. Trumps a lying tadger, but don't take my word for it...

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Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 14, 2017 - 07:20am PT
You have to live deep inside a bubble to say so far so good....

Outside the bubble, it's as bad as it can get, and getting worse every day.

Looks like they were in collusion with Russia the whole time

drip drip drip
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 14, 2017 - 07:30am PT
so far so good for the Fascists...and the Trolls


Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 14, 2017 - 07:51am PT
Curt, I base my opinions about someone on what they actually DO, not on what others think and feel about them. Of the EO's I have seen, I can't complain. His Obamacare EO and "Two for One" EO are most welcome and two of his best so far.

Neither of the two EOs you cite will result in anything at all changing.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/president-trump-has-done-almost-nothing-214775

The only things he has managed to do (so far) are:

 get an AG confirmed who will rollback the rights of minorities
 get an EPA head confirmed who will increase pollution of our air and water dramatically
 get an Education head confirmed who will dismantle public education

Curt
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 14, 2017 - 07:54am PT
Add to the list:

 Sell out to the Russians
 Sell out to the Chinese
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Feb 14, 2017 - 07:59am PT
The White House for over a month sits on information from DOJ that the national security advisor lied and was at risk of blackmail??

WTF?? Total incompetence. Reasonable minds can differ on political stuff but this administration seems chaotic, inconsistent and dangerously ignorant.

Maybe it will work out.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:01am PT
Curt, I base my opinions about someone on what they actually DO.

Like lie every f*#king day? As high as 60% of his statements? That kind of what they ACTUALLY DO?
WBraun

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:01am PT
Maybe it will work out.

No it won't.

You Americans keep proving yer idiots .....
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:06am PT
I wondered if he cheated in his game of golf with the Japanese prime minister?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:08am PT
Great clip, especially at 3:18.


Also, watch close starting at 6:00, you sick fascist bastards.


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Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:11am PT
the liberal meltdown and "sky is falling" mentality is the most heart-warming entertainment I have ever witnessed.

Which verse is that, Jody?


Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:19am PT
So far so good, he could be gone by as early as Easter!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:21am PT
Flynn was sacked for lying to Pence, not for talking to the Russian ambassador. Back channel
'talks' have been done since time immemorial. That he did so before he was officially in office
is just nit-picking. How is talking to somebody grounds for blackmail?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:31am PT
Well then that changes everything...

No it doesn't, you retards are still clueless.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:36am PT
It's grounds for blackmail because the Russians knew he lied and that he would be fired if they told anyone. Pretty basic.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:48am PT
Looking at the video Locker posted(Kellyann Conway on ABC) - when Trump comes down from the helicopter and salutes, at about 1:30, his body language just has a look of shame. He doesn't look the Marine he salutes in the face, and he continues on with his head down. As he moves, his head remains down, his shoulders stooped. This, from a man who is fully versed in "publicity photography and videography," and is well aware the camera is rolling.


To me, it looks like the body language of a broken man who is waiting for the shoe to drop. He knows that it could happen at any time. At any moment, one of those hideous members of the press could jump out of nowhere and ask the question, or for his comment on a statement, that exposes him for the treasonous pirate that he is. Yes, a modern day pirate. No more, no less.

It made me feel sad. I don't like to see a person suffering in anguish, knowing the pain and humiliation it will cause his family, believing that he will very unlikely survive the exposure long enough to go through trial. I would not be surprised in the man drops dead before too much longer. People actually can die of shame, when they haven't the moral fiber to acknowledge their part in a horrible thing they did. I know that from witnessing it firsthand. Some choose suicide, and others, too afraid to take the action directly, develop an illness that does it for them.

But I have to remind myself that he was a grown man, who made the decisions he did with at least SOME awareness of what he was getting into. All actions have reactions. Every step we take leads us down a path.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:49am PT
I think Werner would make a great replacement for Flynn as

National Security Advisor


He won't be "ducking" the issues!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:51am PT
KellyAnne Conway is our very own Baghdad Bob, lol!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy_mF7-FkeQ
Gunks Ray

Trad climber
Gunks
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:54am PT
Flynn was sacked for lying to Pence, not for talking to the Russian ambassador. Back channel
'talks' have been done since time immemorial. That he did so before he was officially in office
is just nit-picking. How is talking to somebody grounds for blackmail?

It would all depend on what they talked about.

If Flynn talked to the Russians before the election, to let them know that if Trump won he would ease the sanctions against them in return for Russian help in the elections, that could be construed as treason.

That would make pretty good grounds for blackmail, don't you think?
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:54am PT
"Wow. That's pretty much the whole ball game. Impressive!"

i know, John. Pretty cool eh. Agriculture, technology, the entertainment business. And by policy i mean CA has often been ahead of the curve-but maybe i should leave that discussion to Bluering's California thread.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:54am PT
Flynn violated the Logan Act which prohibits private citizens from negotiating with foreign powers we are in dispute with. he should have been sacked for that alone, but it was only when he embarrassed the VP that he got the hook, pure politics.

The guy knew it was wrong, and that is why he lied about it. He is way to high on the food chain to be ignorant of the law, and the accepted tradition that we only have one president at a time. they hate America.

The Russians also lied about it, surprise surprise. Flynn gave up when he found out the calls were recorded. How much corruption is going on in this administration that is not recorded?
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:57am PT
Happie, I love you, and your beautiful heart.
However, that beautiful heart is ascribing human characteristics to someone that just doesn't have a heart....or at least has a heart no larger than his hands and is only used for pumping blood.

I do not believe t is able to feel human emotions in the way you or I do.

My interpretation of any human emotion you might have seen was more akin to embarrassment at having been "caught". But even for me that's a stretch because I don't think t is capable of typical human emotions.

Susan



thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:01am PT
Trump boasts (finally with factual basis), "I actually invented dumpster juice."
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:06am PT
That he did so before he was officially in office
is just nit-picking

Wait, did Reilly just say that Flynn talking to the Russians about sanctions before his man was in office, and then lying about it is nitpicking?

One president at a time is also an important principle. Like for example, let's say that Liz Warren has decided to run in 2020, and her surrogate decides to start calling foreign governments and making deals with them. Just because she hasn't officially taken office yet would be ok, because it would just be nitpicking for it not to be ok.


The clip at 12:05, about Alex Jones, who 45 actually likes, is too good not to share.
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Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:06am PT
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

Winston Churchill

Trump, so far so Good?

If you drink Vodka, legalize wife beating and murder opponents.

Look for Pence and the establishment to make a tactical distancing with the spectre of impeachment.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:07am PT
I learn so much on ST

TOP DEFINITION
Dumpster Juice
That liquid which continuously oozes from urban city dumpsters across the planet. The liquid is a comglomeration of the contents there-in with a touch of acid rain, sugar, spice and the occasional severed limb.
John Doe did so hate having to urinate in public alleys, if not for the simple fact that this required extended periods of time standing in the dumpster juice of the alleyways of the world.

Your mom's stew taste like last week's dumpster juice.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:08am PT
Flynn violated the Logan Act

No he didn't. He only talked to the ambassador. NOBODY has ever been
charged or convicted under the Logan Act.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:12am PT
One word: Chaffetz


Ok. Maybe a few more. Why did t leave his veep out to dry?

Oh wait, I forgot...we are not to question the (power) of the president.


Susan
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:20am PT
Flynn violated the Logan Act

No he didn't. He only talked to the ambassador. NOBODY has ever been
charged or convicted under the Logan Act.

The ambassador is the government. Gotta love how Trump supporters pick and choose what laws apply to them. Can you imagine if Hillary or Barrack even came close to doing something like that.

Eight years of Obama and what was the worst scandal his cabinet was involved in?

Went to Breitbart and not even they could come up with anything better than Hillarys email server and of course . . . . . ..









































BENGHAZI!!!!!
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:26am PT

missile measuring contest!!!




























this would all be fine if our fascisti could hack it in the big boy's realm of shirtless world leadership
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 14, 2017 - 10:19am PT
Well, in case you hadn't noticed, Obama was actually president at the time...
c wilmot

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 10:23am PT
Our foreign policy is not lawful at all. It's been blatantly illegal for some time


https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3854247
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 10:25am PT
And keep in mind the uglier possibilities (likelihood?) that there were pre-election discussions to discredit Hillary camp (or not discredit the Donald camp with golden shower stories) in exchange for...?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 14, 2017 - 10:28am PT
^^^^^^^

Word.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Feb 14, 2017 - 10:36am PT
He was just doing his job

Where did we hear that before?



Susan
dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 10:42am PT
Well, in case you hadn't noticed, Obama was actually president at the time...


Details shmetails.

Anyway, it took less than a month for the first major scandal of the trump administration to occur. So far so good, Mr. President.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 14, 2017 - 10:47am PT
Keep reading the posts on this thread and the other Trump threads...like I said...the liberal meltdown and "sky is falling" mentality is the most heart-warming entertainment I have ever witnessed.

For me, it's depressing that so many Americans view their situation as dire. Full on eeyore "woe is us", "the sky is falling" hysteria.

With Trump in charge, we definitely have the ingredients for some crappy developments in the future. But looking at the present, little has changed since last Fall. How's the economy? Unemployment? Has anyone lost their healthcare? Have any rights of Americans been taken away?

All these protests and acts of civil disobedience may have the unintended consequence of alienating moderates. We'll find out after the next Midterms.
jonnyrig

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 10:48am PT
I'm curious, what it would actually take for Trump supporters to disavow him. 'Cause at this point, seemingly nothing could tarnish his reputation.
What would it take? And who would they actually blame?
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Feb 14, 2017 - 10:57am PT
IMO, it makes it WORSE that a sitting president was doing that.


Of course you do.


Susan
dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 11:16am PT
Don't focus on the Logan Act, conservative writer David Frum urges. There are much bigger issues that need investigating.

To put the story in simplest terms:

1) Russian spies hacked Democratic Party communications in order to help elect Donald Trump.

2) Donald Trump welcomed the help, used it, publicly solicited more of it—and was then elected president of the United States.

3) President Obama sanctioned Russia for its pro-Trump espionage.

4) While Russia considered its response, its ambassador spoke with the national security adviser-designate about the sanctions

5) The adviser, Flynn, reportedly asked Russia not to overreact, signaling that the new administration would review the sanctions; Russia did not respond.

6) As president-elect and then president, Donald Trump has indicated that he seeks to lift precisely those sanctions caused by Russia’s espionage work on his behalf.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-deeper-concern-behind-mike-flynns-resignation/516630/


Yep. So far so good.
c wilmot

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 11:41am PT


7) Russian invasion


The resistance
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 11:45am PT
Yup. There IS something super compelling about a slow motion train wreck.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 14, 2017 - 11:56am PT
Well, it looks like Trump agrees. Flynn is out. They said that the justice department was involved, so Flynn's diplomacy before the inauguration was taken seriously, as well as lying about it to Pence.

I don't know much about Flynn.

I have seen reports that Flynn's son helped spread the fake news that Hillary was running a child sex ring out of that pizza restaurant. That led to a guy showing up there with an AR-15. Thank God he didn't shoot anyone. He very easily could have. He bought the story, which is right up there with fake moon landings.

Come on. That was an Alex Jones story. That guy believes in UFO's more than he believes in the alphabet.

Trump isn't behaving like a president. He has a thin skin. Going after little people who disagree with him on CNN. There are many examples of this. No president in history has bothered himself with small criticisms.

He's delusional to a point. There is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud in this country. Trump can't take it that he lost the popular vote by so much, so he is attacking the voters. It is becoming a regular pattern of behavior on his part.

What is unforgivable is North Carolina cutting the voter districts in black neighborhoods so that they couldn't vote in the election. A federal judge looked at that and said that it was "precision." They gerrymandered based on race rather than party. Then they cut the polling sites.

Look it up.

Jody is an apologist for anything done by any conservative. I don't believe in everything done by any democrat (I'm officially an independent, but I've gone against the Republicans lately because they cut taxes instead of paying off the debt, or balancing the budget, like Clinton did.

The economic idea that cutting taxes for the rich will lead to higher employment, and thereby raise tax income has never succeeded. Ever. Reagan was the first to leave us with a trillion dollar deficit. Bush #1 raised taxes to balance the budget and was hounded out of office over it.

We need to cut spending and raise taxes. If anyone can figure out a better way to pay down the debt, or simply balance the budget, I'm all ears.

That is my main beef with the Republicans. I'm socially liberal, so when I see things like my state legislature OK'ing placing the ten commandments in every school, I just shake my head. They already tried this, and it was immediately struck down.

Our state is now fully Republican. They handed out so many tax cuts that we went bankrupt in an oil boom. I miss the days of middle of the road democrats, who had balanced the budget, and saved any extra in the state's "Rainy Day Fund" for decades.

So my fiscal conservatism isn't comfortable with Republicans handing out tax cuts without paying for them somehow. I am all for cutting costs. Obama's bailing out of the banks made me ill, but apparently the banks paid all of that money back with interest later.

Repealing the Glass-Steagall act under Clinton led directly to the banking crisis. Obama came into office with 2 wars and a financial doomsday. He got us out of the wars eventually, but he didn't concentrate on balancing the budget. Part of that was the Republican congress, who would have never accepted tax increases.

I am fine with tax increases as long as we tighten up overall and pay as we go. At least the democrats increase taxes to pay for stuff. The Republicans cut taxes with no plan of balancing the budget. None. We've seen trickle down economics fail over and over.

I would cut taxes for those who employ more people. Not for billionaires who hide their money in offshore banks, or with stock and real estate speculation, which contribute nothing to the economy.
John M

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
Good post Base.. I substantially agree with your analysis.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 14, 2017 - 12:03pm PT
dangit B104:

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trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Feb 14, 2017 - 12:03pm PT
Why is it such a bad idea to be allies with Russia. They have a tremendous amount of natural resources and a military we really don't want to test.

The 400 billion dollar pipeline to China is a feat of engineering. I am all for more cooperation with Russia.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Feb 14, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
. I am all for more cooperation with Russia.


I am too as my son travels there regularly.

The core issue is "cooperation" vs being "annexed".


Susan

c wilmot

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
Russia opposes our problem child Isis along with our proxy wars in various countries. Russia's presence in said proxy wars threatens our MIC that relies on chaos and death as a source of profits

Hence the anti Russia propaganda so present in US media
dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 12:30pm PT
How about a fresh violation of the emoluments clause of the constitution?


“There can be no question that it is a terrible idea for Donald Trump to be accepting the registration of these valuable property rights from China while he’s a sitting president of the United States,” said Norman Eisen, who served as chief White House ethics lawyer for President Barack Obama. “It’s fair to conclude that this is an effort to influence Mr. Trump that is relatively inexpensive for the Chinese, potentially very valuable to him, but it could be very costly for the United States.”

Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, called the situation “highly improper.” Since foreign governments know Trump cares deeply about his family’s business, Painter said, “they will give him what he wants and they will expect stuff in return.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/recent-trump-win-on-china-trademark-raises-ethics-questions/2017/02/14/07cf94ca-f294-11e6-9fb1-2d8f3fc9c0ed_story.html?utm_term=.32feb86728b1

So far so good.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 14, 2017 - 12:38pm PT
Has Jody ever found fault with any conservative?

. . . . .didn't think so.

edit: waiting for the ad hominem attack.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 14, 2017 - 12:38pm PT
Why is it such a bad idea to be allies with Russia.

Let me count the ways...
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Belmont, California
Feb 14, 2017 - 12:44pm PT
Well, in 1914 the French for one sure found out what a bad idea it was to honor a treaty with Mother Russia. That's what plunged the world into WWI. Those Pan-Slavic alliances can be nasty little mouse traps.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 14, 2017 - 01:11pm PT

Another perspective:

Trump's supporters are for a part the "Hillary deplorables", people that the self-sufficient American meritocracy has left behind playing their money-, power- and network-games. People feeling left behind did not want more of the same, did not see repetition as an answer, made a wild guess and voted for the current mess of a president.

The democrats must take a close look at their own values-in-praxis and actions. More of the same is no answer even if the current president and his advisors end up far away from the presidency in their self-made hell.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 01:25pm PT
To be clear, they are not deplorables. Hillary said that half of Trump's supporters were deplorables because they were attracted to his racism, misogyny, Islamophobia, etc. I have no idea whether half of his voters are truly deplorable, but a lot are. He got the KKK vote.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 14, 2017 - 01:33pm PT
Good points Marlow. A lot of soul searching is in order for the whole country.
More of the same may not be a sufficient answer.

Hillary might not have been a viable pick for our future as a nation.

But it sure as f*#k isn't Donald J Dickweed.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 14, 2017 - 01:44pm PT
It's all good and going according to the plan.


"What the judges did was to take power for themselves that belongs squarely in the hands of the president of the United States.”

"...as we begin to take further actions it will be shown in the end that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned."

~ Steve Miller, Trump aide


"The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."
~ Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin

Hmmm...
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 14, 2017 - 01:56pm PT


You're right, Jody. This thread is very entertaining.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 02:15pm PT
So far so good.

Don Lauria

Trad climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 02:28pm PT
If they ever make a movie about Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin, I nominate Donini for the lead.

Just joshin' Jim.
divad

Trad climber
wmass
Feb 14, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
Why is that guy making fun of Trump?

because he has every reason to...
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 14, 2017 - 02:37pm PT
10b, you are delusional, get your prescription refilled and follow the doctor's orders. Idiot.
thanks for the troll, and btw, I knew you'd come thru.
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Feb 14, 2017 - 03:22pm PT
I can't see how anyone could call Trump a good president when he is such a poor manager.
The White House these days appears very incompetent if you consider how much confusion has occurred in the last few weeks.
What would happen if a REAL crisis happened?
I think they would fall apart and do the wrong thing.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Feb 14, 2017 - 03:38pm PT
It may turn out to be a good thing that Trump is a poor manager.

Let's imagine how much more damage he could do if he could get his act together.

Or maybe let's not.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 14, 2017 - 03:44pm PT
Let's imagine how much more damage he could do if he could get his act together.

Exactly my thoughts, I would rather lurch from one chaotic episode to another for four years rather than have him quit and let Pence do real harm.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 14, 2017 - 03:49pm PT
So the Vlad dude on another thread was right,Trump is in Russian hands. Putin has his hand on the White House, but Flynn is out. The house of Trump cards will fall. Is that called a Trump suit, suite? One king, one queen and the rest of the hand are jokers.

Let's temporarily call it the Whore House while Sir Donald is in charge.

I am bitter, not at you Jody, or the other Supertopians who think Trump is great, I am bitter because America deserves better than what is there. Yes, I live abroad, but I am still an American. I love the US, I just stay in Ireland in the hope that... in a vainless hope that Jennie's illness...

that...

I cannot explain it, but I do cry at night. I had a crazy dream last night that I was leading Butterballs (I love the Cookie area) and I fell, and kept falling, and Jennie saved me. Am I one sick dude or what?

EDIT

I am also bitter at the social worker and the HSE who I fought. I cannot help but wonder, do they care about the person or care about their job? I tried my best (perhaps not) and I failed.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 04:10pm PT
Trump is in way over his head...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-deploys-missile-violating-treaty-and-challenging-trump/ar-AAmVID5
dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 04:19pm PT

Exactly my thoughts, I would rather lurch from one chaotic episode to another for four years rather than have him quit and let Pence do real harm.

Except for when the sh#t hits the fan, which it will. North Korea is already testing Trump. I don't trust him one bit not to do something rash.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 14, 2017 - 04:48pm PT
Dirtbag, Trump is stupid, but his advisers even Bannon and Steven Miller (like what are his qualifications and experience to be a senior adviser to the POTUS, go figure) are not that stupid to do anything rash.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 04:55pm PT
I am thinking that Russia's missile launch was a "little love letter" to the president on this Valentine's Day. Something like, oh, say

Roses are Dead
Bodies are Blue
Keep your trap shut
Or it'll happen to you
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Feb 14, 2017 - 05:07pm PT
The only thing worse than someone who is dumb and lazy is someone who is dumb and eager
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Feb 14, 2017 - 05:16pm PT
Holy sh#t. We're only into this three weeks and look where we are. It took Nixon two terms (almost). The incompetence (or deliberate action) of this administration is staggering. The only question is will the Repubs in the House have the balls..... probably not.

Edited to add: If Trump AND Pence go down that makes Ryan President........ so.... could happen. Of course Ryan might have to explain his little lies about the 14ers.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 05:33pm PT
A couple points on BASE104's excellent post.
BASE104 posted.
I've gone against the Republicans lately because they cut taxes instead of paying off the debt, or balancing the budget, like Clinton did.

Maybe some clarification on this issue of who caused what debt.
On another thread Norton had posted:
Jan 21, 2017 - 04:52pm PT
"Obama leaves the country 10 trillion dollars more in debt then when he took office, doubling the national debt."

(Norton's reply follows)
this is a typical uniformed attempt to deflect blame away from the Republicans

watch closely

In 2010 the Republicans took over majority control of the spending arm of the Federal government, the House of Representatives. They have been in control of that ever since, ok?

now, per our Constitution all government spending must be voted on to become law by the House, therefore since 2010 it is the Republican House that has voted on and approved into law virtually all of that 10 trillion, understand now?

So check this link on who controlled which houses of Congress during each administration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses
So using Norton's logic (Which is usually pretty darn good)

Ronald Reagan was not responsible for the increase in the debt during his total 8 year administration.
Bill Clinton was not responsible for the decrease in debt during the last 6 years of his administration.
George W Bush was not responsible for the increase in the debt during the last 2 years of his administration.

If Norton is mistaken, then a good part of our national debt belongs to Obama.
I suspect that it takes two to tango and politics is a shell game that works both ways. Much goes on behind closed doors and leaks are strategically leaked to the media by anonymous sources...conveniently ;-)

BASE104 posted
We need to cut spending and raise taxes. If anyone can figure out a better way to pay down the debt, or simply balance the budget, I'm all ears.
In the future is the insidious and regressive tax of inflation, hitting the poor the hardest. Always worked before.

BASE104 posted
I would cut taxes for those who employ more people. Not for billionaires who hide their money in offshore banks, or with stock and real estate speculation, which contribute nothing to the economy.
Excellent point and great idea.

Aside from all the current political poo poo swirling now, Trump's stand on asset forfeiture and federal marijuana enforcement has my socially liberal side worried the most. I suspect democrats will find a new states rights religion during this administration.


eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Feb 14, 2017 - 05:35pm PT
Trump, so far so good ... for the last 30 minutes...DOH! Make that 29.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Feb 14, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
Want any easy, reasonable, and directed tax increase? How about the proposals to tax stock trades of greater than a certain value, at cents per share. The computer traders would finally start paying to support the system that allows them to make billions off the chumps. We all (well, most of us, except Trump and lots of other very rich people) pay our fair share to support the United States, including the military, infrastructure, law enforcement, education, roads, etc. etc. These things are the basis of a stable country; this stability allows a bunch of rich pricks to make lots of money. Time to have them pay a fair share. We could even (maybe) balance the budget. It's interesting that Trump probably has never actually paid into Social Security and Medicare yet has a billion (maybe) dollars. Is this reasonable?
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:12pm PT
You're right, Jody. This thread is very entertaining.


Curt
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:13pm PT
Want any easy, reasonable, and directed tax increase? How about the proposals to tax stock trades of greater than a certain value, at cents per share.

Not that my opinion would ever matter, but I've been saying that for 40 years.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:15pm PT
Dirtbag, Trump is stupid, but his advisers even Bannon and Steven Miller (like what are his qualifications and experience to be a senior adviser to the POTUS, go figure) are not that stupid to do anything rash.

Bannon, from what I've read, is a blow it up kind of guy. Miller is basically a fascist. I do not trust either of them to act rationally.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:20pm PT
The sh#t is hitting the fan, folks.

WASHINGTON — Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=64914123&pgtype=Homepage
Norton

Social climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
what does the Logan law have to say about that, Dirt?
dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:34pm PT
I don't know much about the Logan Act, except that there have been no prosecutions under it.

David Frum, in today's Atlantic, urges us not to focus on the Logan Act, but the bigger Russian-Trump puzzle.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:35pm PT
Nothing to see here, our foreign policy experts will be here soon to tell us it's totally normal for U.S. campaign staff to speak with Russian intelligence.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:41pm PT
Nope, it's not going to end well. I'm sure there will be a lot of pissed off Trumpkins who will fume about a liberal plot to bring him down.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:50pm PT
It's not going to end well...The lid is off the septic tank .. the effluent is being stirred and beginning to smell...The next step will be to drain the swamp...
WBraun

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:52pm PT
You people are the swamp.

Yer all psycho insane ......
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:55pm PT
Oh! Are we whining Libtards being vindicated? Dare I wish? DARE I wish!??

The National Security Agency, which monitors the communications of foreign intelligence services, initially captured the communications between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russians as part of routine foreign surveillance.


The frigging IRONY that the NSA picked up this intelligence while on the "routine" hunt for bad hombres and extremist terrorists.


zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:56pm PT
Idiotic moronz, psycho_moteur alligator hunters, whatever.



healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 14, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
Werner, I think he was looking in your direction...


will you please act like you have more than a two word vo-cab-uh-lary?
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 14, 2017 - 07:01pm PT
He rails against the media, the same media that built him, his Reality Show, letting him off on his many questionable activities, espousing his BS because it made good ratings. And he cries foul and wants to bite the very media hand that made him.

There is a novel in there some where.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 14, 2017 - 07:34pm PT
Larry Nelson! Re your post back a ways:

So using Norton's logic (Which is usually pretty darn good)

Ronald Reagan was not responsible for the increase in the debt during his total 8 year administration.
Bill Clinton was not responsible for the decrease in debt during the last 6 years of his administration.
George W Bush was not responsible for the increase in the debt during the last 2 years of his administration.

If Norton is mistaken, then a good part of our national debt belongs to Obama.
I suspect that it takes two to tango and politics is a shell game that works both ways. Much goes on behind closed doors and leaks are strategically leaked to the media by anonymous sources...conveniently ;-)

Larry: I'll grant you that Obama's presidentcy has Yugely increased our national debt, but starting with Reagan, every president, Republican or Democrat has Yugely increased our national debt.

The Younger Bush deserves recognition for reducing bank regulations & starting two Yugely expensive wars, which led to a Yuge economic adjustment in 2008-2009, which Obama had fall into his lap.

And Obama increased the National debt Yugely, with the help of the Republican House majority for the last 6 years of his term.

Your boyo Trump is predicted to double our National debt again with his Yuge policies.

Is that OK, since he's a Yuge Republican?

Increase in Billions US $ President Political Party
$153 Franklin D. Roosevelt Democratic
$55 Harry S. Truman Democratic
$31 Dwight D. Eisenhower Republican
$20 John F. Kennedy Democratic
$58 Lyndon B. Johnson Democratic
$115 Richard Nixon Republican
$145 Gerald Ford Republican
$280 Jimmy Carter Democratic
$1,692 Ronald Reagan Republican
$1,401 George H.W. Bush Republican
$1,627 Bill Clinton Democratic
$4,357 George W. Bush Republican
$8,134 Barack H. Obama Democratic


http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/http:/truthfulpolitics.com/comments/u-s-federal-debt-by-president-political-party/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=friendly%2Blinks&utm_campaign=twitter%2Bfl%2Bplugin


zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 07:37pm PT

dirtbag

climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 07:57pm PT
Well at least Hillary won't send any naughty emails anymore.
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:04pm PT
You people are the swamp.

Yer all psycho insane ......

Do you buy your narcotics on the street or do you order stuff online with bitcoin?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:08pm PT
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:15pm PT
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:18pm PT
Reports that Trump knew about the call(s) for weeks, and Pence only just the last few days. How convenient, that when Trump falls Pence remains clean.

I have no qualms about saying this: I really hope the investigators have something that shows that Pence being unaware is an "alternative fact," and that he had prior knowledge.

And....if it ends up being that the portion of Rosneft(sic?) WAS part of a deal made - would that mean the ownership would be siezed? And the US would own the asset?
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:25pm PT
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/14/kellyanne-conway-ethics-violation-ivanka-trump

Trump's crew not wasting anytime..breaking the law.

What's it like being one of Trump's lawyers? Job security for sure.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
Guaranteed some lawyers are being hired right now and are talking to their new clients about the 5th Amendment.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:46pm PT
Fritz,
Trump's not my boyo. At this point it's all entertainment.
A re-post of my favorite graphic.

edit: good one Biotch
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 14, 2017 - 08:47pm PT
Wait, I've been gone awhile, are we great again yet?
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:19pm PT
You really can't make this sh#t up
Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence
from the NY times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:31pm PT
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:34pm PT
Amazing--8 years of Obama and basically zero scandals...

24 days of Trump and we got scandals, botched military raids, incompetence, Russian intrigue and corruption pouring out of every facet of his administration...WTF?

This is a f*#king $hit show folks.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 14, 2017 - 09:39pm PT
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:35am PT
Anyone notice that the entire Trump team looks like Charlie Sheen after an 8-ball?

Imagine having to defend that turd with the weight of what they know...

BTW- Trump seems to be fine (relative) due to being a malignant narcissist and enjoying the power trip and attention of bringing a country to it's knees.

This may end in another case of "too big to fail" with the entire establishment working behind the scenes to put the office of the Presidency and the RNC ahead of the American people.

The banks bailed out Trump once before when he put his empire and investors in the rears by billions of dollars.

And again- "So far so Good"?
I fear for you if you're retarded enough to believe that- disability and special ed. funding is on the fiscal chopping block.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:37am PT
So we won't go, until it is to late( again)
I know cause like back then,in 1932 we, as a nation, blew it off too
and they have had decades to fortify against it
But a much more appropriate fit than just Perswig' cool share is the fact that russian troops in
nonspecific uniforms; jeans & hoods, ( No Insignea )are rolling over small countries in Europe.
But the most obvious & real threat:
PLACING NEW MISSEL SYSTEMS IN LANDS THE HAVE OCCOPIED

We are, like I said if & when WE? choose to. (Dos Gringo's 1st YouTube video)
[Click to View YouTube Video]
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:46am PT
Well said Contractor...I wonder if special ed funding is worth the expense...? Jaybro...?
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:55am PT
C'mon, Wade. You're going to give Hitler a bad name.

Curt
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:56am PT
Amazing--8 years of Obama and basically zero scandals...

24 days of Trump and we got scandals, botched military raids, incompetence, Russian intrigue and corruption pouring out of every facet of his administration...WTF?

This is a f*#king $hit show folks.

It's exactly what I thought it would be--the best reality show ever. It's YUGE !!

Curt
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 15, 2017 - 07:22am PT
Trump will not finish his term. Once he becomes a liability for the GOP he will be impeached.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 07:37am PT
His TERM? People are wondering if he'll finish the month of February!

This morning, he actually tweet - I am still unable to type it with a straight face:
This Russian connection non-sense is merely an attempt to cover-up the many mistakes made in Hillary Clinton's losing campaign.

The bigger they are(scandals) the harder he Tweets. Also this morning:
The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy. Very un-American!

Look - I really WILL feel sorry for Trump if it turns out he is innocent of treason. It would have to be Hell on Earth to be accused of something like this. Of course, it's kinda like the way a lot of young black men feel when they get stopped on the street simply on their way to work, or the store for groceries, and arrested for a robbery or murder that occurred a few blocks away, when they are innocent.

Or a person with the facial appearance of having Middle Eastern ancestry who, simply on the way to work or to the store to buy groceries, gets confronted with a fat white redneck with a gun.....

So, if Trump is innocent, and survives this, hopefully it will give him the empathy to understand what some others have to contend with on a daily basis.

The heat being applied makes he Obama Birther garbage seem kind of quaint by comparison. But then Obama knew the truth of the matter;. I don't think he ever acted out in anger, though. Frustration, disbelief in the persistence of the BS, but anger, no.

People who are guilty of what they are being accused often do react in anger..... just saying.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 15, 2017 - 07:44am PT
Trump will not finish his term. Once he becomes a liability for the GOP he will be impeached.

Once he becomes a liability? Hahahahaha. Trump's been a liability from Day 1. The GOP only lined up behind him when they realized they were stuck with him.

Curt
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 15, 2017 - 08:28am PT
Another gem for the ever thickening pile of:

You can't make sh#t like this up
reports.

Senate Republicans are set to repeal an Obama administration regulation that prevents individuals with mental health conditions from purchasing firearms. The Senate vote on a resolution of disapproval to scrap the rule is expected to happen about 10:30 a.m. Wednesday.

The rule, which was implemented in December 2016, extended federal background checks for gun purchases by some Social Security recipients with mental disabilities. The Obama-era measure requires the Social Security Administration to report to the FBI’s background check system those individuals who receive disability benefits and have mental disorders. An estimated 75,000 beneficiaries are affected by the rule.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-poised-to-repeal-obama-gun-rule/ar-AAmX7ZP?li=BBnb7Kz&pfr=1

It all makes sense to me, since some of the best Republicans are on Social Security & have mental disabilities.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 08:33am PT
This is no joke. We've got to cool things down re Trump,
his finger's in charge of the nuclear button and there's no
backup safety.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 15, 2017 - 08:45am PT
Locker, Jody isn't tormenting you, you're doing it to yerself. That's masochism.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Feb 15, 2017 - 08:57am PT
am also getting great joy out of watching people melt down


Classic Schadenfreude. I've never understood it.
Why do you feel that kind of pleasure?
Is it a prevailing attitude of LEO?
It's frightening to think that those who are supposed to protect can feel this way.

Susan
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:02am PT
The constitution says that nobody shall be deprived of their rights without due process of law. Yes, it's "common sense" that somebody with a mental disorder should not be allowed to purchase a gun.

So, there's a simple solution: Convict the person "having" a mental disorder (that's a pretty broad-strokes phrase!) of a crime, or in some other way exercise due process of law to render them legally unfit (which is actually a well-defined phrase), and, voila! You've got them right where you want them and in harmony with the constitution.

What you don't get to do is just wave some "professional's" opinion over them like a magic wand and thereby deprive them of their rights. If that were the case, then we'd ALL (based on what I've seen on these threads, including in my own rants) be in danger of having some "professional" deprive us of our rights.

We are not, and with good reason, solely at the mercy of the mental-health profession.

So, I applaud this Republican action, although not for the reasons you'd initially suppose. I want to see due process rather than mere opinion before we deprive anybody of their rights.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:03am PT
Agreed, Susan.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:07am PT
^totally agreed Susan^

A sickness with no cure and only satisfied with others pains/failures/short-comings/suffering. Ugly
dirtbag

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:09am PT
This is no joke. We've got to cool things down re Trump,
his finger's in charge of the nuclear button and there's no
backup safety.

I do worry about how a cornered, embattled trump would react.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:10am PT
Jody, calling the Fool In Chief the Fool In Chief is not melting down.
ST is merely doing what all of the country is doing, including Republicans in Washington, which is talking about watching your boy try to build the plane while he's crashing it.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:10am PT
All that really matters is seeing the Libs upset, oh what joy.

Who cares if it means self annihilation!!

I guess it fits those with the sickness of hate.
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:25am PT
To Jody, in response to his belief that stink bomb executive orders are good governance.

The executive order on emigration:

For the sake of the point, grant that putting a hold on emigration from the seven failed states for 90 days is a good idea--just assume that the current vetting process is not extreme enough--let's also grant that blocking emigrates from Syria is also sensible, since we cannot rely on the Syrian government to vouch for the folks who want to leave.

Let's grant that this needs to be done immediately so as to protect the US from immediate threats of terrorism.

And, let's grant that the President has the authority to protect the U.S.A. from foreign threats. (President's job for cryingoutloud.)

So we are all on board, right. Did I leave anything out?

Then why would our chief-protector-from-immediate-threats-from-foreign-terrorism wilfully issue an order which is unconstitutional? Maybe he forgot to ask anyone what the constitution says about folks who are in the U.S.A. or who are entitled to be in the U.S.A., such as green card holders. This is settled law, for something like 125 years. Folks in the US are protected under the constitution, which means they are entitled to due process.

There is a good article hereYes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights from sevearl years ago (pre-Trump) regarding constitutional protection of non-citizens.

So now, given Trump's extreme unvetted Executive Order, we are now not protected from a serious, immediate terrorist threat.

His response, "We are working on something else."



Overheard in the Oval office:



"Now which of these buttons do I push to blow up bad guys?"

"Excuse me sir, that button calls the wait staff."

"OK. So where is the red button to blow up bad guys?"

"Sir, there is no button. There is a process."

"WTF. A process? Get me a red button and put it right here, on my phone, next to my Twitter app. I'll issue a executive order."
c wilmot

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:36am PT
If obamas disastrous and illegal foreign policy's had never been implemented we would not be dealing with Syrian refugees.

Irs hard to claim you care about Syrians when you supported a president that helped destroy their nation. And unlike bushs wars- only obama decided to intervene...with no plan, goal, or strategy.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:46am PT
If obamas disastrous and illegal foreign policy's had never been implemented we would not be dealing with Syrian refugees.

Yeah, there was no problem at all in Syria before the USA stepped in.

Curt
jonnyrig

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:52am PT
Sure is interesting to watch people gloat about actions taken by Trump for which they vilified Obama and Hillary. Oh well. It's probably all the democrats' fault.
Though, to be fair, I don't think the Dems are really learning anything from it yet.
Yawn.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 15, 2017 - 11:23am PT
Headquarters, Bannonistan









Premier Bannon's new National Security Adviser, Sean Anderson.




When 45 shitcans Bannon, I may cut him a bit of slack, but not until then.






Fake news....
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 15, 2017 - 12:51pm PT
Yeah, almost as lame as Clinton being asked about wiping her illegal email server and responding with, "What? You mean like with a cloth?"

Yeah, they are all such a barrel of laughs!

Such losers, every one. Oh, and, well, Clinton really was a loser.

But, you know, haters gonna hate, and Trump's the present target.

Carry on.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 15, 2017 - 01:01pm PT
What...? No Benghazi comparison...? How disappointing...
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 15, 2017 - 01:25pm PT
If obamas disastrous and illegal foreign policy's had never been implemented we would not be dealing with Syrian refugees.

Irs hard to claim you care about Syrians when you supported a president that helped destroy their nation. And unlike bushs wars- only obama decided to intervene...with no plan, goal, or strategy.

wilmot, why do you have a hardon for Syria?
this is the topic du jour of everyone of your post.
are you Syrian?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 15, 2017 - 01:28pm PT
Thinking people had every right to question clinton about her use of a private server and to expect rule of law to be applied. The same cuts for trump.

Absolutely! I'm agreed!

My point would be how pointless and futile it is to "discuss" every lame-ass thing Trump says or does. He's a prick, which is no surprise, as he ran for and achieved the position that will only receive pricks at this point.

Of course, if it makes you all feel better to think "we called it" in thinking he's a prick, well, more power to you. But, really, there's no news here, and you weren't "prescient" to think he was a prick. Everybody at that level is, and there's gonna be piles of evidence to substantiate such a judgment, regardless of who we're talking about. Nobody here was "wise" in advance to know it.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 15, 2017 - 01:31pm PT
Clinton Clinton Clinton, blah blah. If she was the President it would be right and correct to discuss her. She's not. Your boy is.
So we'll keep talking about him, mmkay?

Tell him to get his shirt together! BWA Hahahahaaaa!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 15, 2017 - 01:43pm PT
The President is using a Private Twitter Account!!!
His staff are using a RNC private account!!!

Lock em up, he's risking the security of the entire Nation
How can he be so careless, he must be trying to hide something
Why does he get away with so many criminal acts,
is he held to a different standard?

And what about the Trump inspired Terrorism, maybe we should bomb the leader of this terrorist ring of thugs

Where is the outrage!!!
hypocrites

If you could only see how you spin
It's quite revealing
it makes people still harping about Hillary look like an idiot
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 15, 2017 - 01:46pm PT
Whatever makes you feel "wise."
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 15, 2017 - 01:50pm PT
American Intelligence sources agree
after spending the weekend talking to friends who work in dc i can safely(well, 'accurately'...) post the following things:
1-the russian dossier on trump is real. 100% real. he's being blackmailed by the russian government, not just for being peed
on by russian hookers, but for much more nefarious things.
2-the trump administration is in collusion with the russian government, and has been since day one.
3-the trump administration needs a war, most likely with iran. at present they are putting u.s warships off the coast
of iran in the hope that iran will attack one of the ships and give the u.s a pretense for invasion.
4-there are right wing plans to get rid of trump. he's a drain on their fundraising and their approval ratings, and the gop and koch
brothers and other u.s right wing groups are planning to get rid of trump.
5-intelligence agencies around the world, and here in the u.s, are horrified by the incompetence of the trump administration, and are
working to present information that will lead to high level firings and, ultimately, impeachment.
i'm writing these things so that when/if these things happen there will be a public record beforehand.
these are truly baffling and horrifying times, as we have an incompetent president who is essentially owned by a foreign power.


3. the trump administration needs a war, most likely with iran. at present they are putting u.s warships off the coast
of iran in the hope that iran will attack one of the ships and give the u.s a pretense for invasion.

This part is the most scary since many Republicans leaders seem to think it's a good idea to bomb Iran.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 15, 2017 - 01:54pm PT
I love how deeply concerned president Hair is about leaks, and how dangerous they are.

Weird, but he sure liked them last year....
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:05pm PT
Bookem' Danno

eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:08pm PT
But, really, there's no news here, and you weren't "prescient" to think he was a prick. Everybody at that level is, and there's gonna be piles of evidence to substantiate such a judgment, regardless of who we're talking about. Nobody here was "wise" in advance to know it.

False equivalency, big time!
perswig

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:08pm PT
When 45 shitcans Bannon ...

You may have this backwards, Survival.
Dale
dirtbag

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:08pm PT
#IllegallyLeake

Anyone wonder how fascism takes hold?
Tom Patterson

Trad climber
Seattle
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:11pm PT
Jody, your OP is hilarious. The end.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:12pm PT
From a Long Time Lurker
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From: Lois Brenneman

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Simpleton, PA 66656

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Hi Craig,
Hope you are well. I met you on Supertopo where I used to post in the past. I am looking for cuttings of Opuntia versicolor with very dark red/claret blooms and/or cuttings from a plant with red-orange blooms. As you know, the red variant is rare with most of this species putting forth green/yellow to yellow to pale orange blooms. I like the deep claret blooms. My husband prefers the red-orange blooms and those specimens are rare, as well. I have come across a specimen with deep claret blooms during my hiking but that specimen - which I have also photographed - is not esp conveniently located for me. We could certainly return to it but, actually, it would be easier to buy some cuttings if you had any available.

We still have our main residence - house and 40 acres - in PA but last year we bought a second home in Sun Lakes, AZ. It has a huge saguaro growing well on the front lawn. A claret-blooming O. versicolor would be just stunning against a wall we have surrounding our property. We are currently putting in any number of cactus species, at this time. What has gone in thus far looks great, and, better yet, these various specimens are doing great, as well. My husband, it seems, has quite a flair for desert landscaping. If you do not have any such cuttings to sell, at present, perhaps you could keep an eye out for me and take a few cuttings should you come across one such plant. As I recall, you go on collecting trips in the desert. I am looking for a deep red bloom like the one I saw and photographed in 2011. Orange-red would be OK also. My husband likes that color.

Send my regards to all the folks at ST. Hope everyone is well and happy there. Hoping you are well and prosperous, enjoying life, also.


If anyone has a special red flowered Opuntia versacolor please send it to LEB
We don't carry Cholla at our Succulent Nursery.
divad

Trad climber
wmass
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:20pm PT


so appropriate to bring up LEB in this thread...
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:22pm PT
Let us review

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism


1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


I see blatant expressions of No. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 11, and 14 under the Trump regime

No. 14 is the big one, fraudulent elections, voter suppression, election fraud, collusion with the Russians, voter machine tampering, and now Trump's big push on illegal immigrants voting can only mean he is going to push through some horrible voting suppression technique so they will win any election in the future no matter who is on the ballot.

Who know what Russia can do to voting machines, they are easily hacked according to most experts.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:28pm PT
Strain your shriveling noodles loons. Think way, way back, when Hildabeast was to be a landslide winner and the Senate and even house were thought to be swept back into commie control.

Sometimes the past, immediate or longer term, is an indication of future trends. Don't count your Hussein entitlement checks before they're cashed.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:29pm PT
And the leaked e-mails from the DNC were also illegally obtained
dirtbag

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:31pm PT

If that's what you think dirtbag
then I'll just tap your phone without getting a warrant.

And people who leaked the info was breaking laws when they did it

LOL...


Trump said "Look, leakers! Hillary! Bad people!"

One of our adversaries meddled in our election, quite possibly with the assistance of our President, and you'd rather focus on the f*#king leakers.

perswig

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
Craig, while Lois (whom I'm convinced is a Fish figment...) clearly asks to send her regards to ST, did she OK posting the entire letter?
Some personal info there that some folks might not want shared.

YMMV.
Dale


survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:39pm PT
Leaks bad, Russian sleeze money good.

#makeamericarussiasbitch
dirtbag

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 02:39pm PT

And the leaked e-mails from the DNC were also illegally obtained


Yeah, about that...
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 15, 2017 - 03:13pm PT
If you're looking to debate issues with a reasonable conservative, those have gone unicorn status. Most reasonable conservatives are independents by now. What's left is...Well you know.

It's laughable (or distressing) that Jody, Mad, Cosmic, Werner and others are so miserable that seeing liberals loosing their minds over Trump gives them pleasure.

I get no pleasure knowing that affluent, business owning libritards like myself will benefit quantum levels above these guys as a result of this administration's policies. With a fair amount of confidence, I would say most liberals are concerned about the futures of, ALL our children and grandchildren and really don't give much thought to perceived, government bondage of angry white guys.

My guess is that these guys have had every opportunity this great country offers to create happiness and are pissed because they either blew it or have false expectations.



Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 15, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
Yes, it is very entertaining and it warms my heart.

So does a cop killing black people.

Curt
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 15, 2017 - 03:39pm PT
That one's pretty well documented.

Curt
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 15, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
So far so good? What planet are you living on? He is constantly dogged by scandal after scandal.

Now we know that their campaign was talking to Russian intel officers. So far they say, "No evidence of collusion, but why else would they be talking to the Russians?

We already know that Clinton was under attack by the Russians, and through wikileaks they tried to sabotage her campaign.

There is no way to know how much the Russians hurt Clinton, but we have never seen anything like this. Ever. To now know that Trump's campaign was talking with the Russians for a good year, while they were attacking Clinton at the same time, it made some effect.

He is also a huge liar. He won't release his tax returns, despite over a year of promises, and he won't divest himself from his businesses. Why? He is old as dirt, and his kids seem to be already involved. We have never seen a president behave like this.

The real bombshell will come when the Intelligence Committee sees the transcripts of the contacts with the Russians. If there was collusion, then Trump will be out of office within the year.

What presidential candidate in history has been in contact with the Russians before and after the election, before he was sworn in? Doesn't he know that the Russians are geopolitical rivals? It is a damned mess, and I want to know the whole story. Flynn's short tenure is evidence of something larger.

I didn't even vote for Clinton. I vote Libertarian when I don't like either candidate. Guys like Jody were always making noise about Obama's Executive Orders as being unconstitutional. Now they are silent while Trump out-Obama's even Obama in that respect.

The guy needs to settle down and act professionally. So far we have seen an incredibly thin skin where he goes after little actors on Twitter, late at night. Apparently he doesn't know the definition of Ad Hominem Attack. He doesn't have to do that. He should ignore the little stuff and concentrate on learning how to govern, because he is woefully unprepared. Every sentence out of his mouth creates some foreign policy scandal.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 15, 2017 - 05:02pm PT
Several things stand out with regards to the Russians:

a) Immediately after taking office, trumpco lifted a ban on selling high-end tech to Russian intelligence services - better gear than they just used to hack the election.

b) The Russians didn't react to Obama's sanctions because of assurances they'd be lifted by trumpco

c) The Russians deploys advanced cruise missiles threatening the EU in violation of existing treaties as soon as trumpco's team is in place - not word one from trumpco.

If Hillary had won and the gop had found her campaign had extensive contacts with the Russians before during and after the election there would be several select committee investigations and we'd already be in impeachment hearings.
divad

Trad climber
wmass
Feb 15, 2017 - 05:11pm PT
Amazing--8 years of Obama and basically zero scandals...

Well, there was that time when Michele went sleeveless..
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 15, 2017 - 05:29pm PT
Trump said the world is flat today. Spicer will explain it tomorrow.
hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Feb 15, 2017 - 05:31pm PT
The nightly NPR program Indivisible is amazing. 24 days in and so far so good is right- but man you can't make this stuff up. Total self inflicted implosion. Bring Flynn in for a congressional hearing--I'm curious if he talks or if he falls on his sword.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 15, 2017 - 05:42pm PT
Flynn is just one leg of the spider-like Russian involvement with trumpco - Manafort, Tillerson, Page and Stone are four others and we don't know who else, though likely trump himself.

When you get down to it one comes away with the impression that trumpco is dominated by white nationalists who see Russia and Putin as an 'enemy-of-my-enemy' (muslims, jews, asians and other assorted non-whites) and so worthy of aligning with on that basis alone even if it means overlooking eighty years of geopolitical realities and history which would rationally contraindicate any such an alignment.

It's very hard for me to avoid that conclusion and the fact that it's even more delusional and dangerous than the neocons' fantastical approach to elevating America to a unitary superpower.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 15, 2017 - 05:49pm PT
Loose lips sink ships, and SS Trump is going down

drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Feb 15, 2017 - 05:50pm PT
The deleted/copied quote needs no introduction:


Contractor

You're a nutcase projecting garbage in your head onto the world outside of you.

I have nothing to do with your fantasies that come out of your insane head.

You politards are idiots and I have nothing to do with your stoopid politard rants every day here.

Trump is your nutcase ranting problem.

I have nothing to do with Trump period, stick to building your buildings as it's something you actually know how to do.

Clicked this thread on accident earlier today and was so floored by that ^^^^
that I actually saved it.
Looks like it and others got deleted.
Ummm- check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Wow- is this really why you guys come to a climbing forum?
To argue politics and act batshit crazy?
I just don't get it.
Have fun f ucking up the forum.


zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 05:59pm PT
Someone who has been on the government's teat his whole life, not because he wanted to do the right thing, but rather because he has no skills that anybody in the world would be willing to pay him for.

Preaching to the choir.

Amen.

EDIT: not referring to el huffer

Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 15, 2017 - 05:59pm PT
Yay, Jefe!

Meanwhile, back in Washington...

Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
Well, there was that time when Michele went sleeveless..

Constitutional solidarity: the right to bear arms.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:29pm PT
Curt, you saying that shows how arrogant, self-righteous, and psychotic you are.

Of all the stupid things you say, that takes the cake. I have to say that I completely regret ever meeting you. To think that I ever thought you were a normal and decent guy.

We are praying for you Jody. Dog bless.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:33pm PT
Lol! ^^^
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:33pm PT
Can we just impeach the c*#ks@cker yet?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:36pm PT
Impeachment wold be doing him a favor. I like virtual water-boarding he is getting, courtesy of the liberal media.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:38pm PT
He's completely pissed off and earned the distrust of the intelligence community.

More dirt will be coming.
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:38pm PT
No impeachment too soon. Mike Pence would become president.

Although, I have to say that I feel for the guy being sent out to defend Flynn when his boss new the truth of the matter.

The sunshine rule states that you should always act in way that assumes that all secrets will be revealed. The Vice President has a short list of official duties: step in immediately if the president dies or resigns and breaking ties in the senate.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:38pm PT
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-crush-of-crises-all-but-buries-the-young-trump-white-house/ar-AAmZmeG
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:46pm PT
Wow- is this really why you guys come to a climbing forum?
To argue politics and act batshit crazy?
I just don't get it.
Have fun f ucking up the forum.

Hmm...I always wondered why my kids looked at me so strange when I'd tell them to get off Facebook and Instagram and go do something useful like arguing politics.
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 15, 2017 - 06:47pm PT
^^^^^^^^^

Good article StahBro. Points out the difficulty in trying to run the government like you run a family business.

In the age of fake news, SuperTopo political threads have become must-reads.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
As much as I loathe that brown nosing right wing enabler mike pence, I'd much rather have him in charge of our nuclear arsenal.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 07:18pm PT
locker! locker! locker! most bitchen guy on the ST?

izzat an original?




Just then a bolt of lightning
Struck the courthouse out of shape
And while ev’rybody knelt to pray
The drifter did escape
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 15, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 15, 2017 - 07:36pm PT
Wade, we can't use f*#k on Supertopo.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 07:46pm PT
Ah F U C K

I hope no one is offended, I use it frequently.

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 15, 2017 - 07:51pm PT
WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

creating anger is never a good thing
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 15, 2017 - 07:56pm PT
Curt, you saying that shows how arrogant, self-righteous, and psychotic you are.

Of all the stupid things you say, that takes the cake. I have to say that I completely regret ever meeting you. To think that I ever thought you were a normal and decent guy.

and

The fact that he has made so many on the left so angry means he is doing something right.

Makes me feel like I'm doing something right.

Curt

zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 08:03pm PT
Gov't teat sucker

The same thing was said about Hitler and Idi Amin
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 15, 2017 - 08:05pm PT
Why do you hate the constitution and reject Christian values Jody?

StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 15, 2017 - 08:08pm PT
Trump is already done. His lack of self awareness won't let him understand until...

dirtbag

climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 08:09pm PT
Gov't teat sucker

The same thing was said about Hitler and Idi Amin


C'mon...that's a bit much.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 15, 2017 - 08:26pm PT
Why do you hate the constitution and reject Christian values Jody?

Jody is a follower of the blonde haired, blue eyed Republican Jesus.

Curt
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 15, 2017 - 08:46pm PT
Trump's campaign promise to deregulate and resurrect the cat door installation industry is not something to scoff at folks.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:04pm PT
Jody, forgive them, they know not what they do.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:05pm PT

Egad!
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Belmont, California
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
It isn't any accident that Adolf Hitler's strongest supporters came from the police departments in Bavaria.

Scratch a Jesus freak and you'll always find a Republican.
Norton

Social climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:30pm PT
Curt, you are in my prayers, as hard as it is...

ha

good one Jody,
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:31am PT
Not so sure having Jody prey on you is a good thing
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:02am PT
Really? One step at a time.

Divided they fell: the German left and the rise of Hitler

Brutal attacks and murders of well-known anti-fascist activists followed immediately after Hitler’s ascension to power. Hit most quickly and most heavily by Nazi repression was the Communist Party (KPD). Nazi thugs stormed and closed the KPD headquarters, the Karl Liebknecht House, on 23 February 1933 and banned their newspaper, Die Rote Fahne, a few days later. The burning of parliament on 27 February was used to justify yet another wave of terror against the left. Over 1,500 Communists were arrested that night in Berlin alone. Unable to fit so many political prisoners into the existing prison system, the Nazis erected the first concentration camps during this wave of repression. The last federal elections were held on 6 March: despite the Nazi repression, the KPD still received 12.3 percent (4.8 million votes) and the Social Democratic Party (SPD) 18.3 percent (7.3 million votes). The Nazis had not received an absolute majority, but were able to form a cabinet together with a right wing party. Hitler forced through the so-called “Enabling Act” in the same month, giving the government the right to pass laws contrary to the constitution. The Communists were not able to participate in parliament by that time, as most deputies had either gone underground or had already been arrested by the Nazis. As it was, the SPD was the only party in parliament to vote against the Enabling Act—every bourgeois party voted in favour. Germany’s march towards a fascist dictatorship could no longer be halted.

In 1971, General Idi Amin overthrew the elected government of Milton Obote and declared himself president of Uganda, launching a ruthless eight-year regime in which an estimated 300,000 civilians were massacred. His expulsion of all Indian and Pakistani citizens in 1972—along with increasing military expenditures—brought about the country’s economic decline, the impact of which lasted decades. In 1979 his reign of terror came to an end as Ugandan exiles and Tanzanians took control of the capital of Kampala, forcing Amin to flee. Never brought to justice for his heinous crimes, Amin lived out the remainder of his life in Saudi Arabia.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:39am PT
So does a cop killing black people.

Curt that is not very nice. Jody may have his head up his rear politically, in my opinion, but I do not think he likes to see people die. I do not know how good of LEO he is or has been, but he is a damn fine photographer, not that it has to do with anything about this thread or topic.

He will learn, remember, this is the guy who had his photo taken with Cruz and praised Cruz.

I just find it sort of amusing that the Trump supporters and/or Hillary haters say us libtards are crying and for us to get over it. I mean, for Spicer to tell the media to shut up, who does he think he is? Of course Trump and his band of merry pranksters would love the media to shut up, for leaks to be stopped and for Trump to enjoy a glorious reign.

If the shoe was on the other foot...

It seems to me that the Trumpettes are crying as much about the libtards crying. It is one big cry fest.

What an effing circus it has turned into. In some ways I think Trump loves all the whoop ta hoo. The new PT Barnum.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:41am PT
Is Trump as bad as Hitler and Amin? Not yet. But only time will tell.

He has all the earmarks. Luckily for us there are restraints in this country that were not in place in Germany and Uganda.

If there is some kind of meltdown, then surely you can direct our attention (achtung) to the puddle, right?






Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:46am PT
The fact that he has made so many on the left so angry means he is doing something right.

Yer a funny guy, Jody!
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:57am PT
^^^^^ Investigating the leaks is fine, my problem is that the leaks are the ONLY thing Republicans care to investigate. They only care how the Press found out about Trump staffers talking with Russian intelligence agents, not that they did in fact collude with them.

Curt
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:02am PT
Quite the opposite Wade.

oh yeah I forgot about all those times you've spoken up for human rights, freedom of the press, right to peaceable protest...doing the lord's work every day. Onward Christian Soldier!


jonnyrig

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:38am PT
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kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:52am PT
Trump to hold another rally this weekend.

Scientific American has an interesting (and long) article about Trump and how his events employ "a masterful use of group psychology principles". Something has to explain the "Emperor has no clothes" phenomena...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-rsquo-s-appeal-what-psychology-tells-us

Anatomy of a Rally

A Trump rally involved much more than just a Trump speech. Important though his words were (and we will look at them in some detail), it is even more essential to look at the event as a performance of a particular worldview. Once again, the charge of irrationalism can serve to obscure because if we view Trump's crowds as mindless mobs led by primitive urges and stirred up by a narcissistic demagogue, as many critics have done, it impairs our ability to appreciate what his events tell us about how those who attended them see the world.

In simple terms, a Trump rally was a dramatic enactment of a specific vision of America. It enacted how Trump and his followers would like America to be. In a phrase, it was an identity festival that embodied a politics of hope.

A rally would start long before Trump's arrival. Indeed, the long wait for the leader was part and parcel of the performance. This staged delay affected the self-perception of the audience members (“If I am prepared to wait this long, this event and this leader must be important to me”). It affected the ways audience members saw one another (“If others are prepared to wait this long, this event and the leader must be important to them”). And it thereby set up a norm of devotion in the crowd and a sense of shared identity among crowd members (“We are joined together in our devotion to this movement”).

The wait also provided time for other ritualized acts that helped to shape the audience's worldview. As Guilford described it, Trump's security procedures were more rigorous than those of any other candidate. At every venue, the audience had to pass through a metal detector. Inside, highly visible security agents abounded. They fanned out, their backs to the stage, and purposefully made eye contact with audience members, checking for intruders. Audience members joined in the exercise. A person did not have to express overt opposition to be deemed suspect; just failing to show sufficient enthusiasm could draw others' hostile attention.

About an hour before Trump would speak, a message broadcast over the PA system instructed crowd members not to touch any protesters they spotted. Rather they were told to notify security by chanting, “Trump! Trump! Trump!” Though often a false alarm, this cry would go up repeatedly. When it happened, the entire audience was alerted to possible enemies in their midst. As a result of these various tactics, crowd members were induced to act as if they were under threat—and observing themselves and others behaving in this way only served to reinforce the presumption that they truly were under threat, from enemies both without and within.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:53am PT

How I escaped being a right-wing extremist

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/how-i-escaped-being-a-right-wing-extremist/

How do you change the mind of a right-wing extremist in America today? How do you change the mind of a diehard Trump voter? You don’t. It’s a waste of your time and you have better things to do. We are not going to unite as a country anytime soon after what has happened.

I was raised in the ’80s to be a right-wing extremist like my father. I was sent to an extreme right-wing (John Birch Society) summer camp where I was brainwashed to be a heartless, paranoid conservative, just like my dad. I used to believe that homosexuals, atheists, immigrants, liberals and anyone who wasn’t white like us, were out to take away our rights as good, god-fearing Americans. When I heard the words humanist, environmentalist, feminist, educated, and equal or civil rights, I’d get irritated, suspicious and angry.

I was taught that if someone challenged my statements or beliefs, they did so because they were scared or intimidated and afraid of the cold hard truth. I was taught that liberals and Democrats were brainwashed and trained to ignore the truths regarding what was really going on in America. Arguing with a liberal was a complete waste of time, my dad would say. They were too dumb, too brainwashed and there was no way we could change their minds. Every time someone argued with me about anything, I felt contempt. I felt ridiculed. I felt like they were telling me I was stupid and wrong. I felt they were telling me that my parents and everything I knew to be true was a lie. Just having someone argue with me or having my point of view challenged made me angry, regardless of the facts presented. I was taught not to believe your facts.

read more at link
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:58am PT
Locker, Anderson captures perfectly well there in your post just how I often feel over on the Mind thread. lol
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:59am PT
Just in case you all missed the chance to learn what is be-falling us right now:
from Professor zBrown


Feb 16, 2017 - 07:02am PT
Really? One step at a time.

Divided they fell: the German left and the rise of Hitler

Brutal attacks and murders of well-known anti-fascist activists followed immediately after Hitler’s ascension to power. Hit most quickly and most heavily by Nazi repression was the Communist Party (KPD). Nazi thugs stormed and closed the KPD headquarters, the Karl Liebknecht House, on 23 February 1933 and banned their newspaper, Die Rote Fahne, a few days later. The burning of parliament on 27 February was used to justify yet another wave of terror against the left. Over 1,500 Communists were arrested that night in Berlin alone. Unable to fit so many political prisoners into the existing prison system, the Nazis erected the first concentration camps during this wave of repression. The last federal elections were held on 6 March: despite the Nazi repression, the KPD still received 12.3 percent (4.8 million votes) and the Social Democratic Party (SPD) 18.3 percent (7.3 million votes). The Nazis had not received an absolute majority, but were able to form a cabinet together with a right wing party. Hitler forced through the so-called “Enabling Act” in the same month, giving the government the right to pass laws contrary to the constitution. The Communists were not able to participate in parliament by that time, as most deputies had either gone underground or had already been arrested by the Nazis. As it was, the SPD was the only party in parliament to vote against the Enabling Act—every bourgeois party voted in favour. Germany’s march towards a fascist dictatorship could no longer be halted.



In 1971, General Idi Amin overthrew the elected government of Milton Obote and declared himself president of Uganda, launching a ruthless eight-year regime in which an estimated 300,000 civilians were massacred. His expulsion of all Indian and Pakistani citizens in 1972—along with increasing military expenditures—brought about the country’s economic decline, the impact of which lasted decades. In 1979 his reign of terror came to an end as Ugandan exiles and Tanzanians took control of the capital of Kampala, forcing Amin to flee. Never brought to justice for his heinous crimes, Amin lived out the remainder of his life in Saudi Arabia.
Read it then go check the history of the third riech's rise to power, you will find many
Things similar if not the exact techniques being used by the likes of
Propagandists
Phuaxphillable fake no not truth, Buull shjt for the faithful you? To consume
Karma is a bitch for those that Deserve it!
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:08am PT
Who was the last national leader (foreign or domestic) to hold rallies after election?


Kim Jong-un?
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:15am PT
Trump is giving a press conference right now, in which he just claimed the greatest electoral college victory since Ronald Reagan. Here is the reality:


Trump's electoral college victory was smaller than either of Obama's or Bill Clinton's victory margins. The guy just pulls alternate facts out of his ass.

Curt
Nibs

Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:28am PT
yep, just a libtard meltdown:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/contributors/2017/02/14/republican-painter-s-time-impeach-trump/97893248/

Doubt Jody will read the editorial, but cannot honestly say it is only liberals that have issues with the administration.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:28am PT
So Trump's campaign was in regular contact with Russian Intelligence officers for a year. His administration hasn't denied the story, they only attack whoever leaked it.

Russia is not our friend. They are not the UK or Canada. Perhaps it has cooled enough to consider them not quite enemies these days, but they are certainly not our friends. At the least, they are rivals. At the worst, they are a country with thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at us.

We all know that they hacked the DNC. The equivalent of the Watergate break-in of the DNC headquarters by Nixon's private police force. Both involved the same thing. It only differed by method.

Regardless, breaking into a party's headquarters in this way is a felony infraction.

If Trump had any knowledge of this, or if he colluded in any way, he is finished. The transcripts of the conversations will soon be read by the Intelligence Committees. Enough serious Republicans will make sure that that happens.

We know that the FBI is still deeply investigating the Russian hack. The whole truth will come out.

How could they be so stupid? Talking not only to Russians, but talking to Russian Intelligence officers? That would be like Putin getting campaign advice from the CIA.

It was all over every news outlet yesterday, but Fox News did not even mention it. Right now we have fake news, like Alex Jones, real news like CNN, and blatantly partisan news like MSNBC and Fox News.

How could Fox News ignore this? It could bring down Trump's presidency. Conspiracy to commit a felony is not good, and that is what collusion with the Russian's over the hack would have been. Conspiracy to commit a felony. As bad as Watergate. Trump actually bragged about this during the campaign. he asked the Russians to post Hillary's 30,000 wiped emails. He should have pushed the Justice Department instead of the freaking Russians.

It will come down to what did Trump know, and when did he know it?

This will not go away. The senate won't drop it, and neither will the FBI.

I am hoping that he wasn't that stupid. Presidential crises are not good for the country.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:45am PT
Trump keeps bragging about his "electoral college landslide."

He lost the popular vote, by quite a bit. So did George W Bush. Gore won the popular vote. Only 5 presidents have been elected by the electoral college and lost the popular vote: John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump.

It didn't bother George W. Bush, and quickly people accepted him as president. If Trump would just drop the "3 million fake voters" claim, people would forget about it within a month.

He can't do that, though. The guy is such a narcissist that he cannot accept losing the popular vote. He lost it primarily because of California alone.

We see how thin his skin is. I've never seen such a thin skinned president. He attacks little people, like the Carrier Union leader who corrected Trump on exactly how many jobs were saved. The guy was on CNN, and 20 minutes later Trump attacked him on Twitter...an ad hominem attack.

The guy needs to prioritize what matters, but just telling the truth would serve him better. He would be accepted rather quickly if he could just shut up. Lately he has only accepted questions from right wing media outlets in conversations with the press. He won't point to the NYT, CNN, or any other middle of the road media. Kelly Ann Conway isn't on TV anymore.

The last one puzzled me. Conway was a great apologist for Trump. I remember her telling CNN that Trump would not be releasing his tax returns because "the people who voted for him don't care."

I REALLY wanted to see his tax returns. With him being such a unique president, one who has business ties around the world, I wanted to see it. I still do. He darn sure would post the returns if they contained good news. There is probably something controversial in the returns. I can't think of any other reason to go back on such a regular campaign promise.

Trump has gone back on quite a few promises. He is also so bad on foreign policy that he didn't know about the 1 China policy, or the 2 state solution. Hell, I know that stuff. In short, he isn't behaving like a professional. He acts like a narcissist.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:49am PT
#ADDJibberish
jonnyrig

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:54am PT
What you gonna do when your boy lets you down? Will it all be the liberal's fault? Or is it even possible he could be fallible?
monolith

climber
state of being
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:58am PT
Daniel Ellsberg was considered a criminal too.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 11:08am PT

Feb 16, 2017 - 10:53am PT

Who cares about where, how, why, or who leaked it so long as it is the TRUTH???...

Diversion is all that is...

The laws can deal with the culprit...




The issue is DONALD TRUMP...


This. Illegal leaks are bad.

A treasonous administration is 1000x worse.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Feb 16, 2017 - 11:12am PT
cognitive dissonance
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 11:19am PT
This. Illegal leaks are bad."...


If the TRUTH has been discovered, that otherwise would not have been...

I am 100% in SUPPORT of it being leaked...


It's is OUR (Supposedly) Government and any method of getting TRUTH is AOK by me...(EDITED: Not talking Waterboarding here... LOL!!!)


FUK THEM IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT!!!...

There are legitimate secrets important to protect the safety of sources and our security. I don't take an absolutist view here. For that reason, I have mixed feelings about folks like Snowden.

That said...the information being revealed is extremely important to our security, and the source of the leaks shouldn't distract from the bigger question, namely, WTF is up with trump and Russia?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 16, 2017 - 11:26am PT
Rimshot...
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 11:32am PT
One of the few true things I've read so far that trump said during his press conference today:


I don't think there's ever been a president elected who in this short period of time has done what we've done.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 11:39am PT
At least he's articulate:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/16/donald-trumps-grievance-filled-press-conference-annotated/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_transcript-fix-210pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.724afe622620

Read it, if you dare.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 16, 2017 - 11:39am PT
Trump, or his camp, being involved with Russian intelligence agencies for a full year is some CRAZY news. What were they thinking? That it would never come out?

Trump needs some work to become presidential. Sending Kellyanne Conway out to the wolves isn't working.

Point: The Russians tried to influence the election by committing the felony of hacking the DNC. That on its own should be investigated, but now we hear that Trump's group was yacking with the Russians during that time.

Very bad. We have never seen anything like this one.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 16, 2017 - 11:50am PT
Trump and his buddies have been in cahoots with Russian oligarchs for years (see Trump tax return). They viewed the election as a way to boost their standing with the most powerful man in the world (hail Putin) They never expected to win, now that they have the presidency they do not have a clue on how to govern. Putin is playing them for the fools they were. I bet Putin suggested Tillerson for the cabinet.


just received an email from Trump himself, yeah, I am on his mailing list. Guess who he is blaming?

https://action.donaldjtrump.com/mainstream-media-accountability-survey/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GOP_surveys_Mainstream-Media-Accountability-Survey&utm_content=021617-media-survey-djt-jfc-p-p-hf-e-1&utm_source=e_p-p

You know that I don’t trust the media to report on anything we achieve.

Instead, you -- the American people -- are our last line of defense against the media’s hit jobs.

You are our greatest asset in helping our movement deliver the truth to the American people.

Which is why I need you to take the Mainstream Media Accountability Survey to do your part to fight back against the media’s attacks and deceptions.

Over these next four years, our movement will be subjected to some of the nastiest attacks you can imagine.

But just like during the campaign, we need to stay focused on getting the job done and accomplishing our shared goal to Make America Great Again!

That’s why I’ve made it a point to cut through the media’s noise and go straight to the American people. It worked during the campaign, and it will work again over these next four years.

But I can’t do it alone. I need you by my side, supporting our message and doing your part to get the truth to the American voter.

Please take the Mainstream Media Accountability Survey to do your part to fight back against the media’s attacks and deceptions.

Thank you,

Donald J. Trump
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 16, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
They never expected to win, now that they have the presidency they do not have a clue on how to govern.

That pretty much sums it up so far. It seemed OK for a couple of weeks, but things are imploding. Every time he talks with a foreign leader, he has no idea of foreign policy.

And he lies his ass off. He used to call Hillary, "Lying Hillary," but he lied over and over about his tax returns.

I look forward to the FBI finishing their report over the Russian hack, and also look forward to the Senate doing their job by looking at the Trump organization talking to Russian Intelligence officers.

Man, there is no way to spin that one. Kellyanne Conway can't handle that one.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 12:10pm PT

Three reasons to reject trump's claims about the leaks (a good read, written by conservative David Frum):


1) When Russian spies hacked Democratic emails, and then posted those emails via WikiLeaks, the Trump campaign and its friends noisily insisted that it didn’t matter how information came into the public domain, but only whether the information told Americans something important about a would-be president.

“I love WikiLeaks!” said Donald Trump at a rally in Pennsylvania in October. A Republican congressman who had over-enthusiastically tweeted “Thank God for WikiLeaks” explained himself in a more formal statement: While he did not condone illegal activity, he was “thankful the information was out there.” And this was the line certainly from Trump supporters on air and online: The real news was the content of the leak, not the fact of the leak.

Yet in the WikiLeaks instance, the content of the leak was a series of nothingburgers. Maybe the most exciting revelation was that Donna Brazile had shared with the Clinton campaign one of the questions to be posed to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders at a CNN townhall during the Democratic primaries. Now, however, we are dealing with information of truly vital national importance: plausible allegations that a U.S. presidential campaign had contact with a hostile foreign power which had hacked the communications of its political opponents. If there was any coordination, the resulting scandal would blend Watergate with Alger Hiss. The people who “loved WikiLeaks” seem poorly positioned to complain that potentially vastly greater wrongdoing is being brought to light by the same methods they endorsed for their own advantage


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/reject-trumps-criticism-of-leaks/516990/
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 12:11pm PT
Jon that survey is pretty chilling.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 16, 2017 - 12:25pm PT
These 23 Republicans Passed on a Chance to Get Trump's Tax Returns
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/these-23-republicans-passed-on-a-chance-to-get-trumps-tax-returns/516768/?utm_source=fbb

Congress has a duty to make sure President Trump isn’t selling out the United States. These legislators are in more active dereliction of that duty than most.
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 16, 2017 - 12:57pm PT
All I am saying is that the EO's are spot on, at least the ones I know about. They are righting some of the wrongs of the Obama administration. His first EO is one of the best. You do not have to show proof of health coverage on your 2016 taxes and fear facing a fine if you don't have coverage. Small steps...small steps.

Jody believes that there is in fact no security threat from immigrants from the seven failed states named in the immigration executive order and that health insurance companies will pay your bills if you sign up after the fact, or that "repeal and replace" just means repeal. LaLa Land without the music and dancing.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:07pm PT
That said...the information being revealed is extremely important to our security, and the source of the leaks shouldn't distract from the bigger question, namely, WTF is up with trump and Russia?

I agree. If what was being leaked was discussions with Russia over a concerted tactical action against :terrorism," that would be a leak that shouldn't occur. Unless, I suppose, that the tactical action was to gather up Libards, drop them in the ME desert and wait for jihadists to kidnap them so they could pick off the jihadist....(playing on Jody's Alaskan bear Hunting theme).

I wish one of the journalists would have twisted the Flyn question to be this:

"Why did Flynn tell the Russians not to worry about the sanctions?"

Just that, quietly and simply, and then hush up and let the man speak.


What were they thinking? That it would never come out?
I think that they got played early on by the Russians, and were "in too deep" before they even had a clue. Just like a phishing scheme, the Russian mindset is to keep an open mind and be ready to act when you've got "a live one" on the line. Who DOESN'T like to party? Especially when you're a spy and your job is to befriend people from target countries and see where that goes.

Donald Trump's problem was that he thinks SO highly of himself that he must have believed all those people wanted to be around him because he was - well, Donald Trump! They probably went home at night and took aspirin to get rid of the headache of listening to his onandons all night, and the next day touched base with others and laughed over the more remarkable whoppers that he made.

If you consider the possibility of Russians grooming Trump for the presidency for years(as the Steele dossier asserted), it may well have been them who even plated the seed in his mind, to make a run for the White House, almost a decade back! A rather remarkable long game, if you consider it from that perspective,
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:10pm PT

They?
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
Alaska West
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:13pm PT
Russians. They are no different than anybody else. They are human with human needs and emotions. They want to make Russia great again after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. They have endured economic hardships, their pride was/has been hurt.

And Putin and his cronies saw this. Putin already had the background, training and connections.

He ostensibly wants to restore the pride of the Russian people while lining his own pockets and feathering his reputation as the supreme leader and the Russians (many not all) have sucked it up.

He is perhaps the world’s wealthiest individual, by some reports his assets are worth around $200 billion… that dwarves anybody.

He found in Donald Trump a kindred spirit. The difference is Putin is shrewd, Trump just a marketer, a face.

Do not kid yourselves, there is collusion between the camps. I cannot prove it but the truth will out.

UK defence minister Michael Fallon is correct in his assessment that “Russia wants to be a competitor not a partner to the West”.

It appears, at least to me, that Mr Trump has tied his ribbon, his scarf, to Putin, and I believe I am not wrong in that. Looking at his cabinet choices, Mr Trump has not drained the swamp, just replaced it with his own snakes and alligators.

Mr Tillerson, perhaps closer to Putin than either General Kelly or Donald Trump.

These are precipitous times. In my opinion, Donald Trump is betraying America, whether knowingly or not. His ignorance and narcissism cannot see through the fog that he is a puppet of outside forces.

Those are my thoughts and time will tell if I and others who have seen and warned against the forthcoming deluge of problems are correct. It appears many Americans (a sizable minority) have put their faith in the wrong person.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:15pm PT
By reacting to Trump the way they have, protests, gridlock, non-stop attacks, whining, etc., anti-Trumpsters are going to do permanent damage to the country. They should buckle down, get to work electing more of their own people, and resist Trump in those ways. This "anarchy" they are participating in is ridiculous.

Did your friend Ted Cruz end you and email suggesting that you might share that little blurb o text with your network, Jody?


because, in case you haven't noticed - the protesting and whining is last week's news. We're on to "Has the President committed Treason?" now. The "after election game" has ended and is into overtime.
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:16pm PT
Look, if I can survive 8 years of Obama, you pansies can survive 8 of Trump.

I'm curious to know how Obama made life difficult for the average American. I don't live in the US, but my daughter and son-in-law have been there for the past 8 years. You saying they missed out on the glory days?
c wilmot

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:16pm PT
Why should we not work with Russia to end the chaos in Syria ? Why should the US continue the disastrous foreign policy's of obamas era?
Is the largest displacement of humans since ww2 not enough evidence to change our ways?
It's odd to me that many in the US would rather re start the Cold War with real bloodshed over what amounts s to a pissing match over countries like Ukraine and Syria- countries with little to no US interests beyond regime change.

Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:22pm PT
By reacting to Trump the way they have, protests, gridlock, non-stop attacks, whining, etc., anti-Trumpsters are going to do permanent damage to the country. They should buckle down, get to work electing more of their own people, and resist Trump in those ways. This "anarchy" they are participating in is ridiculous. Look, if I can survive 8 years of Obama, you pansies can survive 8 of Trump. Just try harder to make it only 4.

Yer still a really funny guy!
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:27pm PT
By reacting to Trump the way they have, protests, gridlock, non-stop attacks, whining, etc., anti-Trumpsters are going to do permanent damage to the country. They should buckle down, get to work electing more of their own people, and resist Trump in those ways. This "anarchy" they are participating in is ridiculous.

Tea party town hall protests = good protests, though.

Btw, 4 million people marched in the women's March. Your remark conveniently overlooked that.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:39pm PT
Why should we not work with Russia to end the chaos in Syria ?

Because the Russians have little interest in that objective. The US military said Russia provided little or no help in fighting ISIS in Syria. They are there to prop up Asad and preserve their use of the port.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:49pm PT
He must be a libtard.
Norton

Social climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:50pm PT
NEWS FLASH

Protests and Demonstrations are one of the most important aspects of American Democracy

Protected by our Constitution, and practiced for the past 230 years

this country survived just fine all kinds of protests, it's call Free Speech

what kind of a butt hurt victim believes protesting President Trump is just so,,bad,,grow up
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 16, 2017 - 01:58pm PT
Jody, I spelled out the folly of the emigration EO here: Trump is an idiot. You certaintly can figure out the logic of the second. You are a smart guy who cares about the outcomes.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:12pm PT
This is sad, the only way to know where the cookie crumbs and 'they' stick their collective heads into the swill gathering around their ankles. So much crap piled on
Then our short attention span thearter. Takes over.
Those that have the strings, the very hazy few that seem to run the world's direction,
with agendas that are not pro-America. Or pro people for that matter.

Clearly the records have been scrubbed , there will be no evidence of he is be-held by , what
Putin has in trump is a perfect chump to facilitate taking back the lands and then some to reform an alt , nation.


Mark Force, Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon

Feb 16, 2017 - 12:25pm PT
These 23 Republicans Passed on a Chance to Get Trump's Tax Returns
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/these-23-republicans-passed-on-a-chance-to-get-trumps-tax-returns/516768/?utm_source=fbb

Congress has a duty to make sure President Trump isn’t selling out the United States. These legislators are in more active dereliction of that duty than most.

Thanks for the link Mr "Force"
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:13pm PT
king tut, Thank you for the reality check.

Gnome, my pleasure.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:22pm PT
Jody? You posted:

His first EO is one of the best. You do not have to show proof of health coverage on your 2016 taxes and fear facing a fine if you don't have coverage. Small steps...small steps.

I'm curious if you have health care insurance, or just plan to go to Doc In A Box offices or Emergency Rooms if you have a health problem?

I have seen conservatives explain that medical emergencies are best handled with Emergency Room treatment, since they can then stiff the hospital & not pay.

The hospital then gets reinbursed by the county.

Which raises my fuking property taxes,

Thanks to the god-damned right-wing welfare cheating bastards!

(I kinda liked that level playing-field of mandatory health insurance.)
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:23pm PT
Jody is an imbecile, ( so is the pussy-grabber 'n thief )
I fear that my old bud is too. ty-dyed brains once were fair minded and pro fair play,
peace-nix, in the general meaning of the term.
and even head-bangers( Richard H) saw the true scary nature of a fascist in control.
And a bat shjt crazy like toad swine had to show up to make it clear we were not in control of what we had voted for. What was is and what is will bring gloomy times in corners where the sun already never shines.

But when you kneel to a blond blue-eye'd aryan image of Christ
The moron n thief looks like the savior you want to belive in.

I fear that seeing him confidently speak of " No ties" to Russia means that any evidence
has now been scrubbed
and this twisting feeling, is that of the USA and it's one time semi- free Citizens,
getting flushed down a toilet.
ecdh

climber
the east
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:34pm PT
No US presidents angle on terrorism means f*#k all till they reel in the political problem child of pakistan.
Morons like trump knee jerk over iran whilst soothing the fevered brow of pakistan who govt openly lets the population be murdered buy groups they do little to dismantle. Only the house of saud is as f*#ked up.

Running square with pakistan would arguably be the biggest staunching of terror groups. No point focusing on the western edge of a region f*#ked to the core when the eastern edge bleeds openly.
Norton

Social climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:38pm PT
"This administration is running like a fine- tuned machine"...


Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:42pm PT
Not bad Jody, but you are just stirring up the usual suspects. You get the stingers I sent you?

I say give Trump a chance, he hasn't even sent Alec Baldwin to GETMO yet.

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:55pm PT
Always glad to see you put in your 2cents Big Ron! I'm sure you can hardly wait for this to hit the fan, as it really helps a certain group of self- interested bisected from real life groups who still clinging to their white Christ and guns . . . .
But as a climber to a fellow climber I hope you are well and wealthy in health and ammunition.
B^7
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 16, 2017 - 03:00pm PT
Again, trumpco's unprecedented war on the fourth estate should be grounds for impeachment as it is deliberately reckless and, in combination with their blatant daily lying, constitutes a clear and present danger to our nation, our constitution and our democratic system.

That any of you could believe otherwise and consider any of his behavior acceptable I find positively frightening.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 16, 2017 - 03:10pm PT
If Pence and Trump are offed by an Islamic terrorist we get
The recipient of the highest honors that a civilian can be given by Putin,
We get Rex Exxon as puppet!

Is anyone watching this hen house
Will McCain get Kilt?
jonnyrig

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
Remind me, how long ago was it that the conservative right was whining about the abuse of power committed by Obama for all his egregious EO's?
messnerrocks

Mountain climber
Bozeman
Feb 16, 2017 - 03:53pm PT
I think it's hilarious when people say Obama had disastrous foreign policy. Re-wrote the book on how to deal with terrorism. Using special forces, drones and intel to take them out a few at a time. Dismantled Al Qaeda with said strategy. Killed Osama. Withdrew from Iraqi war, mitigating greatest foreign policy boondoggle in history. Worked with Middle east governments to begin the destruction of ISIS. Did NOT get involved in a land war in Asia. Sanctioned the sh#t out of Russia. Did not go far enough with the Ukraine invasion and shot down airliner in my opinion, but didn't go to war with Russia, which is nice. Sounds pretty solid to me.
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 16, 2017 - 03:56pm PT
Due process clause. Settled law.

I answered more fully below.
Norton

Social climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 03:56pm PT
Wake up and realize the whole thing was done to mobilize your racism/xenophbia to say "Trump, so far so good!" as anyone in the WH knows it was an unconstitutional EO or they are stupid/incompetent.

More like they know how to play you to further their Fascist goals and divide the country with a wedge issue.

yup, payback time for His Adoring Base Voters
c wilmot

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 04:05pm PT
Kingtut your history is incorrect. Obama got involved in syria as a result of Assad not stepping down. Isis was a predictable result of the destabilization of the region due to our illegal support of the Islamic terrorist groups we call "rebels"..

Like Iraq our excuses for being there constantly change. Except unlike Iraq- only obama decided to get us involved

Check out this 2011 article- Isis is not mentioned at all



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/assad-must-go-obama-says/2011/08/18/gIQAelheOJ_story.html
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 16, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
Obama got involved in Syria because Assad is a mass murderer, like Trump's mentor Putin.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
The Russian mind eh? Lol.
Perhaps that is an example of unnecessarily dramatic writing, but people of all nations do tend to develop a cultural disposition based partly on their shared history.

When my older sister and her family returned to the US after having lived two years in post-USSR Russia(I forget the city name, but recall their son, who later became a sort of post-punk rock icon, boasting of hooping trains into Kasahkstan at twelve years old. Plug for my nephew: https://www.discogs.com/artist/496986-Pink-Reason);, she told stories of the average "day in the life."

Here's some examples:
 She showed me a picture of a contraption and asked me what I thought it was. I'll do the same for you. Imagine a five gallon bucket, like the type you would get at Home Depot, or a deli might buy filled with pickles or some other bulk item. A fan belt, like you would use on any old vehicle, is looped around this bucket, and also within the belt is a sump-pump type motor - the belt going around the pole the thing is set atop. What is it?(For answer, see below*)
 On the Aeroflot flights she was on, passengers regularly included live chickens as "carry on baggage." Cages for the critters? Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, when I wrote "carry on...."
 Because the apartments(for regular people, because you know, some animals are more equal than others)) were two bedroom apartments, it was a standard thing for families that had children of both genders to, as the kids reached puberty, team up with other such families and "swap kids." In my sister;s family, the took in a neighbor's daughter, who lived with them and slept in the same bedroom as their daughter. The son did the same, living with a separate family that had a boy.
 You know we all heard the propaganda that "n the Soviet Union people have to wait hours in line at the store just to buy bread?" I have no reason to believe my sister would lie, but it frustrated her to no end to go from being an office manager in a busy company(her F-I-L's wood products business, which is part of why she and her husband were in Russia, with it's massive timber stands Think Carpet-bagger.....) to having a full time job that included using that "machine" I referred to above, and another full day of the week "at market."


I don't see how one spends years in that sort of existence without "keeping an open mind and being ready to act when they've got "a live one" on the line."

But perhaps, my surmisation was incorrect.


In other news:
President Donald Trump choice for national security adviser, retired Vice Admiral Robert Harward, has turned down the offer, the Financial Times reported on Thursday, citing two people familiar with the situation.
Source: Rueters http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-harward-idUSKBN15V2Z7




*It is a Soviet era washing machine
c wilmot

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
Toppling stable dictators with the excuse they are bad has led to failure over and over. Remember saddam?
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 16, 2017 - 04:33pm PT
We invaded Iraq. Obama did not invade Syria. See the difference?

And I agree toppling dictators can be a bad move. But how long do you stand by and watch mass murder? Should we just let it go until there is a direct threat to America?

That is a question presidents have to face.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Feb 16, 2017 - 04:54pm PT
Toppling stable dictators with the excuse they are bad has led to failure over and over. Remember saddam?

Well propping up what looks like stable dictators has also gone badly time and time again. Remember the Shah of Iran? Mubarak?

Basically things in the Middle East just go poorly.

Massive invasion of Iraq. It went poorly.

Limited action in Libya. It went poorly.

Staying [mostly] out of Syria (at least initially). It went poorly.

I would say try to nudge things in a better direction when given the chance and otherwise try to limit the cost to the US.

Saudi Arabia looks stable on the outside. But I think that is a pressure cooker just waiting to explode.
c wilmot

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 05:06pm PT
Kingtut our original premise was Assad had to go because he was cracking down on the "peaceful" protests of his countrymen that wanted him gone.

What does that have to do with Iraq?

And we have hundreds of ground troops in Syria and have been aerial bombing the country for years- I would call that an invasion

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 16, 2017 - 05:25pm PT
I didn't vote for him but so far, I can't complain.

So Jody, what's your favorite Trump lie?
ecdh

climber
the east
Feb 16, 2017 - 05:34pm PT
An invasion is when you occupy territory.

Otherwise what you say rings pretty right id say.

Syria has had its own vested overseers for decades; iran and russia. US did the right thing just acting as a coach, not a referee. The precedent already exists, perhaps with the best/only functional outcome for any conflict in the region anyone has to go by - tajikistan.

Where it fails is absence of syrian territory as a resource, its just a field. Not enough hydrocarbons, industry, heroin or strategic value to give it economic value. Too easy to fight in, too hard to chop up.
Theres a reason theyd sat on the sidelines of regional policy since the 70s.
Norton

Social climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
He has literally banned the Des Moines Register from covering his events.

He banned Univsion from attending his events.

He revoked The Washington Post’s credentials for a period in retaliation for a headline that he didn’t like.

He revoked Politico’s credentials for a while to punish them for an article he didn’t like.

BuzzFeed--which Trump called "a pathetic pile of garbage" during the press conference--has been on a blacklist since June of 2015.

The Daily Beast is on the blacklist and is almost always denied credentials as a result.

Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Feb 16, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
This is from the New York Times comments section about the Trump "press conference". I hope Mike P who wrote it doesn't mind my posting it. He says it all and very well:

I listened to the news conference while driving. It made me realize that audio of Trump, without the distraction of images, provides even more insight into his bizarre and deeply disturbed personality. He rambled, boasted, complained, lied, left thoughts dangling, and generally was semi-coherent. He engaged in his traditional hucksterism by repeating over and over the nonsensical points he wants to drive into his audience. But most importantly, it made me realize that he considers me, and anyone else who disagrees with him, an enemy. I have never experienced that with an American president. It is disturbing beyond words.

Edited to add:

On Thursday, after a 77-minute meltdown of a press conference, Trump’s national security pick to replace Flynn, retired Vice Admiral Robert Harward, turned down the offer, reportedly calling it a “sh*t sandwich,” according to CNN’s Jake Tapper.

Smart.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 16, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
c wilmot

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 06:22pm PT
Ecdh- I believe the resource the US in interested in Syria is military expenditures. Isis can be looked at as a MIC dream- we equip Iraqi and "rebel" forces with US equipment- only to wind up blowing said equipment up when Isis takes control of it. A win win in terms of profiting off death and chaos- the MIC bread and butter...


canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
Feb 16, 2017 - 06:53pm PT
^
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There's no cure for stupid.
ecdh

climber
the east
Feb 16, 2017 - 06:54pm PT
C wilmot; that is point id agree, tho i think a less attractive investment as its all small stuff. Nice for loose change i suppose.
I think the bigger investment is in funding Erdogens rampage of paranoia as its market monopoly.

Perhaps in this era its about lots of middle sized investments in bespoke war, rather than the good old smash n grab model that so obviously f*#ked out.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
Assad is a Baathist (supported by Iran) and is opposed by ISIL (proxy for Saudi Arabia) and the Kurds (seen as a proxy for the USA). All empowered by the Bush destruction of Iraq.

Yikes, Please spend sometime on Wikipedia because you are wrong.

edit...So wrong my head hurts. Saddam was a Baathist. To point you in the right direction. Google shite vs sunni, Iraq vs Iran
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:19pm PT
The Trump Melt down has begun
I give him 2 weeks
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:28pm PT
, why don't you do that and realize that there are Baathist parties in countries other than Iraq.

So was Iraq supported by Iran too?

Edit.. I posted this prior to seeing your comment. Thank you for your response. Iraq has tremendous importance in what is going on in the middle east. Equally does the Iran and Israel
splitter

Trad climber
HighwayToHell
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:42pm PT
"Do unto others as you would have them do to you."
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:45pm PT
Who's on first...?
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:05pm PT
Thanks Kingtut, I am well aware that Saddam was a Baathist and Assad was(is)similarly a authoritarian(and minority) ruler. Your comment of Iran supporting the Baathist Assad, yet being enemy's with Saddam threw me off a little. I will research it more. Thanks
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:27pm PT
Jody,

Roger, I will admit the initial implementation was botched. But isn't this about people who are NOT already here? Try as I might, I cannot seem to find definitive evidence anywhere that prohibits the president from issuing an EO on a matter of NS that prevents even green-card holders, albeit temporarily in most cases, from entering the US.

The executive order on immigration ran into the constitutional requirement to provide due process to at least some of the people who were barred from entry into the USA. This is not a liberal or conservative issue. The president has pretty much complete power to deny entry to foreigners if he finds a compelling treat, but once a person is granted entry then they have more or less the same constitutional rights that citizens do, and there are long standing laws to deal with changes in their status. The states focused very specifically on those classes of visitors or legal residents for which there is no chance that any court would waive their due process rights in the absence of immediate threats. The government could not point to an immediate threat from these legal visitors or residents. The government lawyer knew was getting thrown out of court in the oral orguments and requested that the court only place a hold on the application of the executive order as it applied to protected classes. The court decided, I think, that it does not make law and does not rewrite executive orders, but the President can do so. The court's ruling is very narrowly focused on due process.

The states argued that the executive order was a “Muslim ban." The court notes this but declined to address in its decision.

This the paragraph from the 9th Circuit's ruling on due process.

In the district court, the States argued that the Executive
Order violates the procedural due process rights of various
aliens in at least three independent ways. First, section 3(c)
denies re-entry to certain lawful permanent residents and
non-immigrant visaholders without constitutionally
sufficient notice and an opportunity to respond. Second,
section 3(c) prohibits certain lawful permanent residents and
non-immigrant visaholders from exercising their separate
and independent constitutionally protected liberty interests
in travelling abroad and thereafter re-entering the United
States. Third, section 5 contravenes the procedures provided
by federal statute for refugees seeking asylum and related
relief in the United States. The district court held generally
in the TRO that the States were likely to prevail on the merits
of their due process claims, without discussing or offering
analysis as to any specific alleged violation.

There are other important legal issues of the right of the states to sue in federal court which they met with state university students who were barred from reentry.

The part of this which is so stupid is that Trump did not have to lead with his chin against settled constitutional law by applying his executive order to folks protected by the constitution. But he did, and the executive order has been temporarily stopped in its entirety. So, to the extent that the seven failed states and refugees from Syria pose an immediate security risks he was shot down for over-reach. So what are we make of his intent: was he just shooting off to meet a campaign promise or is there an immediate threat?

Today he said that they will reissue a different executive order next week. It might still be objectionable to many folks but it probably will not be against the law.

WBraun

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:32pm PT
America is at war with itself due to being stoopid ......
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:37pm PT
For those of you are arguing about Syria, there is another important issue that Obama had to decide. The wars Bush and Obama fought after 9/11 were legally covered by the congressional approval and the United Nations. It got stretched pretty thin and quite apart from an obvious need to intervene, it would have been an uphill battle in the congress and at the United Nations to take on Assad. Obama will have to carry those decisions forever but under the circumstances he might have been boxed in. Clinton did not agree with him and wanted the US to take a more active role.

With Trump considering sending in more US troops as advisors, we see how far he can push it.
WBraun

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:42pm PT
The wars Bush and Obama fought after 9/11 were legally covered by the congressional approval and the United Nations.

Sure ... criminals can approve anything at anytime they want and call it legal .....
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:47pm PT
The Trump Melt down has begun
I give him 2 weeks

From watching the press conference I'd say his doing too much coke.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:51pm PT
America is at war with itself due to being stoopid ......

Wow. You're not completely wrong this time :-)

Curt
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:53pm PT
From watching the press conference I'd say his doing too much coke.

UREKA! The perfect way for him to save his (presidential) azz - declare he's got a coke problem and going to rehab. Can't fire a man whose admitted he's got a problem and is seeking help.....
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:54pm PT
Damn--anybody remember that super cool and kinda goofy black guy Barack?

Man, I miss that guy...
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:53pm PT
Jim: thanks for sharing that jake tapper clip.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:17pm PT
^^^^^^^



America is at war with itself due to being stoopid ......
Damn, I actually agree with Braun. The world is ending.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 17, 2017 - 03:31am PT
And yet he has the balls to stand up there, scold everyone but himself, and pretend that he's based in reality.

He condemned everyone except Russia.
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 17, 2017 - 04:14am PT
Werner, the stupid, criminal majorities have been getting together, creating governments and making laws to limit the powerof intelligent and honest people for thousands of years. They have done this out of desperation: they cannot win an arguement or otherwise make an honest buck.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 17, 2017 - 05:23am PT
America is at war with itself due to being stoopid ......

There may be some truth in that Werner. It certainly seems a polarized nation, and who is driving that?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 17, 2017 - 05:27am PT
We're all tribal by nature Patrick. I recall not too long ago some folks from your neck of the woods were killing folks not too far to the South and vis versa.

Tis the nature of things.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 17, 2017 - 07:07am PT
Trump claims his administration is running "like a fine tuned machine" but its becoming harder and harder to get anyone else into that Clown Car.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/harward-turns-trump-down-national-security-adviser-job-010725026--politics.html

Curt
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 17, 2017 - 07:30am PT
The Trump Administration is racing to get the word out and some buzz around sending troops to Syria (useless dirt).

Grrreat-
More blood
More treasure
More military family, broken lives
More vets to take care of- $$$
More stress on foreign relations

All to take attention off the "failing" Presidency- SAD!



k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 17, 2017 - 07:43am PT
We understand when a 5-year old doesn't take responsibility for what they say, but we expect good-natured adults to take responsibility for what they say.

We especially expect the President to take responsibility for what he says.

But, proving he has the mentality of a youngster, he doesn't own up to his own lies:


You said today that you had the biggest electoral margins since Ronald Reagan, 300 or more electoral votes. In fact, President Obama about 365 electoral votes.

DONALD TRUMP
I was given that information, I don't know, I was just given, we had a very, very big margin.


So far so good?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 17, 2017 - 07:43am PT
it is what it is
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 07:55am PT
Well, his Tweet today asks us to join him at 11am EST(7 minutes from now).... Here's the link: http://45.wh.gov/XYQXNw

It goes to a Live Twitter clip on Facebook (at least the White House page and not his personal....)

On now - hes reading a script, so far nothing at all new

It's already over....about 3 minutes worth of nothing, but at least he didn't use the words "fake news," or talk about his election win.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:15am PT
It's already over....about 3 minutes worth of nothing, but at least he didn't use the words "fake news," or talk about his election win.

Yeah, just something about how he's going to undo regulations to bring oil-lamps and whaling back.

Curt
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:16am PT
Roger, even if EVERYTHING in the EO was to the "T", you know as well as I do that he still would have been sued and the 9th circuit would have ruled the same.


Simply, not true.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:33am PT
I am predicting that Trump is reelected, WITH a popular majority.

He won't even be the candidate.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:45am PT
Well....THIS is interesting:

https://apnews.com/5508111d59554a33be8001bdac4ef830?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
The Trump administration is considering a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by The Associated Press.

The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana.

Four states that border on Mexico are included in the proposal — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas — but it also encompasses seven states contiguous to those four — Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.

White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the AP report was "100 percent not true" and "irresponsible." ''There is no effort at all to utilize the National Guard to round up unauthorized immigrants," he said.


I am still reading the thing, but am hoping it is part of the thwarted EO and no longer being actively instituted, as this part of the story indicates:
The memo is addressed to the then-acting heads of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection. It would serve as guidance to implement the wide-ranging executive order on immigration and border security that President Donald Trump signed Jan. 25. Such memos are routinely issued to supplement executive orders.

Edit: So, may be still on the plate, or may be (at least temporarily) off the plate, though Trump says he is working on another EO). If off, they will insist this is just "fake news." More aptly, it could be called "old news, no longer relevant," but "fake' - uhhhh...probably not.

BE SAFE, JUST I CASE. Remember JStan's suggestion of having your birth certificate/passport in order? This is exactly why.

Is it not true that, under Patriot Act, one must be able to provide identity documents upon request to authorized agents?

If so....remember that in times of uncertainty, mistakes CAN happen. Historically, sometimes those mistakes happen intentionally. I am NOT saying that is what is going on now, but well. The story is troubling, to say the least.

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 17, 2017 - 09:41am PT
#Unhinged

He certainly is:

“You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things. But nobody talks about that.”

Curt
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 17, 2017 - 09:41am PT
It’s crazy what we’re watching every day, it’s absolutely crazy. He keeps repeating ridiculous throwaway lines that are not true at all, and sort of avoiding this issue of Russia as if we’re some kind of fools for asking the question.

Really? Your opposition was hacked? And the Russians were responsible for it, and your people were on the phone with Russia on the same day it was happening, and we’re fools for asking the questions?
Shepard Smith, Fox News



It's continually interesting to me how so many supposedly smart people are swallowing Trump's hook...and other things..many many people are saying that many many people are swallowing Trump's...things.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:04am PT
Link?
jonnyrig

climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:06am PT
#MIGRANTFEMADEATHCAMPS

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/07/24/one-set-of-fema-camps-for-immigrants-and-one-set-for-americans/

'cause, you know, Obummer never followed through...
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:07am PT
I'd like a link to that survey....

And I may be #Unhinged, but I'd rather be vigilant and realize after the fact that I had a burr under my tinfoil hat that was getting me bucking, than to realize, too late, that the crisis was real, and I laid down and let it happen.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:15am PT
I watched the whole conference from yesterday.

I frankly don't see where all the hysteria is from. It certainly wasn't as bad as some of Bush Jr.'s failed attempts at reading teleprompters.

I don't agree with the stupid wall or the obvious pivot of the MIC to Iran, but he didn't seem unhinged.

And the man is right that you can't believe a single thing the MSM prints or says anymore.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:23am PT
Yay, Pruitt will do it. About to be confirmed as EPA chief.

Goodbye to WOTUS, CPP, and numerous other damaging regs that have no detrimental impact on the real environment.

Sad day for the rabid enviros.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:24am PT
Gallup daily tracking poll, down to 56-38 disapproval to approval in less than a month.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

So far so good.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:25am PT
I doubt they encouraged him to ask April Ryan, an African-American reporter, to set up a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus or to say, "Nuclear holocaust would be like no other."
As my old boss, Rahm Emanuel, used to say, "The fish rots at the head."
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:34am PT
here's the link happie..
https://action.donaldjtrump.com/mainstream-media-accountability-survey/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GOP_surveys_Mainstream-Media-Accountability-Survey&utm_content=021617-media-survey-djt-jfc-a-a-hf-e&utm_source=e_a-a

it's pretty involved. my guess is most Drumpf supporters won't even get through it as they are too f*#king stupid to understand the questions... or just, well, understand
WBraun

climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:34am PT
Why would you believe this?

Because the minute you open your mouth we know it's garbage .....
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:34am PT
The countdown to a manufacturered incident that evokes patriotic sentiment through fear and anger has started.

That's when power will be consolidated and opposition will be purged.

This is the only option they have left.

The Starks are gone and the Lanisters are in control.

Jody- stick to photography...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:36am PT
we should straight jacket Crank in a rubber room. Pipe in Rush Limbaugh 24/7.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 17, 2017 - 11:26am PT
you can't believe a single thing the MSM prints or says anymore.

Huh? Why would you believe this? Where do you get your "news"? Don't tell me talk radio, please.

It's tough, too tough really for most people with busy lives to sort through all of the lies and garbage. I go directly to CNN to spot the known lies and try to dig my way up.

Even most alternative sites have been corrupted to a large degree.

The key, as with the Donald conference, is to listen to it, in its entirety with no edits, by yourself. It's not hard, just takes time.

Radio is just as bad since they tend to parrot the propaganda from one of the false "sides".

WBraun

climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 11:30am PT
It's called the Comstitution. It's a really cool document. Have you read it?

never heard of it .... :-)
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 17, 2017 - 11:31am PT
Malemute, Yes, indeed.

The great bulk of folks who supported Trump in hopes of relieving their suffering get nothing in return except for perverse pride in having stuck it to the politicians that have played them in the past.
Edge

Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
Feb 17, 2017 - 11:32am PT
Check out this 'survey.'

https://donate.donaldjtrump.com/mainstream-media-accountability-survey

We've seen more coherent surveys here written by high school students. I'm surprised he didn't use SurveyMonkey, but then he might get an actual cross section of opinions.

Paranoia the destroyer.
c wilmot

climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 11:34am PT
our media refers to illegals as immigrants- making no note of the difference between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. they call islamic terrorist groups "rebels" while referring to Ukrainians who still support their democratically elected president "separatists"

Our media constantly lies and is spreading propaganda at a level I have never witnessed before. Its very disturbing to have most all of the "news" be fake, misleading, factually incorrect etc...

WBraun

climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 11:39am PT
c wilmot

Why bother explaining anything to these morons.

They all went to college and have their degree in brainwashing .....
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 17, 2017 - 11:43am PT























[Click to View YouTube Video]





Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 17, 2017 - 11:44am PT
our media refers to illegals as immigrants- making no note of the difference between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. they call islamic terrorist groups "rebels" while referring to Ukrainians who still support their democratically elected president "separatists"

Our media constantly lies and is spreading propaganda at a level I have never witnessed before. Its very disturbing to have most all of the "news" be fake, misleading, factually incorrect etc...

Oh yeah, that's certainly never happened before--until recently. That's why we grew up learning that Madison (who wrote our Constitution) and Jefferson (who wrote the Declaration of Independence) were just terrorists thugs leading an illegal insurrection.

Curt
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 17, 2017 - 11:59am PT
The Internet has certainly changed things for those that have the luxury of time and the curiosity to dig for nuggets of truth. Without both of those search attributes however, it's just another petabyte pile of cyber-poo to fling from one side of the cage to the other.

Perhaps more people are simply becoming aware of just how deep and foul the traditional media really is.

The Orange One sees it, but isn't able to do anything about it. He's still falling for his handler's latest boogeymen in scary Iran. We're still bombing brown people in Yemen and still supporting the biggest terrorists in the ME, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
The alt left (regressive left) continues to shoot itself in the foot...




"Why I will not appear this week on Real Time w Bill Maher"




This is fecklessness, grandstanding or both.

We need a new party.
WBraun

climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
The poster "fear" gets it.

The rare few ......
Norton

Social climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:20pm PT
Rogue POTUS Staff
‏@RoguePOTUSStaff

When aides have to hide your cell to put you on twitter timeout because you make a fool of yourself things run like a #finedtunedmachine .

Rogue POTUS Staff
‏@RoguePOTUSStaff

When you assume a black woman is friends w/ the CBC because she's black and you're not racist, things are running like a #finetunedmachine.

Rogue POTUS Staff
‏@RoguePOTUSStaff

Unemployment is 4.6% but you feel like you've inherited a "mess" you know things are running like a #welltunedmachine .

Rogue POTUS Staff
‏@RoguePOTUSStaff

When filling jobs by trading favors, and 6 staffers have to be fired in one day because they fail their background checks? #welltunedmachine
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-------- for those who don't know yet, there is a group of Republican White House Staffers who are so upset about their boss's infantile behavior that they have created a secret rogue twitter feed you can subscribe to their daily musings
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:23pm PT
The Orange One sees it, but isn't able to do anything about it. He's still falling for his handler's latest boogeymen in scary Iran. We're still bombing brown people in Yemen and still supporting the biggest terrorists in the ME, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

I don't get it, if the Orange One gets it, then why didn't his Muslim ban include Saudi Arabia, and why is he giving Israel everything they want?

I'm reading the following article, and it all seems to make sense to me. Please, tell me specifically where you disagree with what's being said here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/opinion/the-silence-of-the-hacks.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:28pm PT
why is he giving Israel everything they want?

You need to read something other than The Daily Worker. Trump has told the
Israelis they need to back off on the West Bank building projects.
WBraun

climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:28pm PT
Obama knew Israel was a terrorist but still gave them billions every year.

It's politics.

Stoopid politics.

Politards can never ever be trusted period.

Yet you stoopid people trust these politicians all the time ......
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:36pm PT
Trump has told the Israelis they need to back off on the West Bank building projects.

Just like my mom told me not to eat the cookies before they cooled...
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:39pm PT
I don't get it, if the Orange One gets it, then why didn't his Muslim ban include Saudi Arabia, and why is he giving Israel everything they want?

The Orange one isn't that bright. Above average at best.

The Orange One gets that the media is corrupt since they lie continually about more inane superficial topics he can spot. He however surrounded himself with MIC stooges who know the warz must continue unabated or the whole USD hegemony goes down. They pivoted to Iran which apparently the Orange One liked, probably because of his own misconceptions about Iranians. Doesn't slow them down a bit since Iran was next in line after Syria.

He's a lot like a child with many insecurities and his handlers, if they tread carefully, can likely lead him down a path still beneficial to the US Murder Machine.

Saudi Arabia is the fly in the ointment... Anyone's guess what Donald will think after meeting with the Royal Terrorists. He'll likely spot them for what they are. The can of worms that opens up, all the way back to what really happened on 9/11, is enormous...

Problem is, there's really nothing he can do about it as president. It's an ornamental position at best.

Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:46pm PT
Word of the day: Corporatocracy.

Geopolitics made perfectly clear in 1minute 42seconds!

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:50pm PT
Jody, I agree that Trump would have been challenged in court no matter what he put into an executive order, but I think it matters that he chose to issue one about an immediate threat which was so flimsy: better any executive order than none, assuming one believes his assertion in an immediate threat. Do you remember John Yoo, the Bush attorney who wrote the legal opinion in support of torture: he teaches at Berkeley and said that Trump's executive order as written could not even get a tie in the supreme court--it was pretty well toast as soon as it was written.

All that said, I don't think the 9th circuit will drop the issue and if not it will end up in the supreme court with 9 members. Also, depending on what Trump includes in a new order we will see what happens in the court.

There are several legal issues that have to be addressed. The first, is due process, but, as I understand it, this only applies to foreigners who are admitted in some form or another. Other than that, I think that there are US laws governing the process of reviewing and admitting foreigners, so there is some mechanism to modify that, whatever it is. The other issue that would come up are any international treaties or agreements we have in which we agreed to take refugees, as Merkel reminded Trump. Trump backed down on the refugees being held in Australia. If Trump wants to start a fight he can, but my guess is that he can do what he thinks is best as regards national security and there will be way to do it.

Personally I think it is a bad approach. I am more concerned about US citizens who become whacked religious fanatics (of all faiths) or racists or anarchists (whatever we call those folks now) and who blow up or shoot a bunch of people. This is what our experience in the US has been. After 9/11, the US changed its vetting processes and they seem to have worked well, especially as compared to the Europeans.

In any case, Trump has lived his life and run his businesses without having to worry too much about unintended consequences--go bankruptcy, get divorced, start a new business, settle a suit, etc.--by treating them as externalities. The presidency may be the position in the world where there the least number of options to treat anything as an externality. You cannot sue yourself, you cannot divorce yourself, you cannot bankrupt the world. One of the major downsides of running the executive branch like this is that the government ends up in court.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 17, 2017 - 12:52pm PT
We will not know the answer, but given the history of political decisions by the 9th circuit, I would say the odds are in my favor.


And of course, that's why Trump said, "SEE YOU IN COURT!"

Like he's going to take the baloney 9th circuit decision to the SCOTUS.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... the "Negotiator."
(You do know the Admin ran away with their tail between their legs, don't you?)
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 17, 2017 - 01:05pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]



Reporter:
"Can you definitively say that no one from the Trump campaign, not even General Flynn had any contact with Russian intelligence before the election?"



I, I don't have any, there's nothing that would conclude me, that anything different has changed with respect to that time period.
Sean Spicer
Props, he speaks in more complete sentences than our president....
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 17, 2017 - 01:10pm PT
Trumpco is the biggest national security threat the nation has faced since WWII.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 17, 2017 - 01:44pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]




Here is the link for the mainstream accountability survey
https://donate.donaldjtrump.com/mainstream-media-accountability-survey
recomended


?? gf, make a donation?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 17, 2017 - 02:56pm PT
gf, I think the headline of the WP article you linked to says a lot:

Trump’s approval rating just hit a new low. But does he even care?
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 17, 2017 - 03:19pm PT
Trump has underwritten Cobert's career change. Chapter 1 of making America Great again.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
I listened to the press conference in it's entirety. I pretty much was baffled by the histrionics. My god - what is the guy DOING all day long. I know...he spent the last week coming up with that HORRIBLE survey. OMG - It was bizarre.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 17, 2017 - 05:47pm PT
Read em an weep loons.

Pruitt will do it.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 17, 2017 - 05:53pm PT
you guys are faggots
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 06:03pm PT

So y'all do swallow

WBraun

climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 06:10pm PT
Ya know Jim

When I first saw these signs " Click It Or Ticket" I wondered what they were related to.

Then I looked it up and found out it was for seat belts.

I never wore those stoopid belts.

I was free soloing down the road .....

Source from DNN (Duck News Network) real news from real living entities
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 17, 2017 - 06:27pm PT

10b...you in the Bishop area?

If you are correct, I will drive over there and take you to dinner.

Sorry, I am not gay, but I continue to pray for you.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 17, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
Jody-
LOL! They sure are entertaining, aren't they Russ?

Rungs in my ladder...

As your hero removes that ladder altogether you may want to take stock your current altitude.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 06:46pm PT
Is it fake news or just Duck Soup? Weasils gonna rip you flesh.


[Click to View YouTube Video]

Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Feb 17, 2017 - 06:47pm PT
Seems like a few here are constantly scoffing at liberals. Perhaps they don't know what liberals stand for. Here are some definitions:

"Liberalism, a political philosophy founded on ideas of liberty and equality.

"Classical liberalism, a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties."

Call me a liberal and I feel damn good about it. If you oppose these values, what does that make you? Are you proud of it?

I"ve heard a couple of definitions of a "conservative" which I rather liked:

1. A conservative is someone who feels that nothing should ever be done for the first time."

and

2. A conservative is someone who tries the same thing over and over again and expects different results. (This is also a good definition of madness.)

Cheers, W.

Norton

Social climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 06:57pm PT
nice one, Mr Merry!
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Feb 17, 2017 - 07:30pm PT
so far trump has repeatedly and semi-consistently gone to war against two very powerful groups:

intelligence agencies and the non-fox corporate media.



at the same time and even though i didn't think it was possible, in only a month he has continued to publicly appear more unhinged then even before [if you don't think so go watch, in full, the 77 minute presser that he just did and repeat out loud once every minute: "this is the leader of the 'free' world speaking..."]



all while he continues to make enemies of the last people, a person with as sordid a history as i guarantee trump has, should be making enemies with.



no. barring a real twist [of which there are many many possibilities at this point], i suspect the straightest of the many twisted potential roads and therefor the safest of some very unsafe money should be placed on trump being deposed [impeachment, being deemed mentally unfit, assassinated, resignation, etc] within 24 months.



long enough for his distraction dog and pony show to allow a bunch of corporate friendly rules to get through [anybody notice he just freed up the "oppressed" mining operations to start dumping sludge into rivers again?] and then given his nature and who he likes to go to war with, he will likely need to be relieved of his "duties".



if you can't see there is some kind of civil war going on between the ruling classes you need to rub the soot off your glasses...

and given who he is going up against and his lack of self control... methinks, one way or another, this is a war that trump ends up on the losing side of... not because it's a war he needs to fight [he should, after the whole flynn debacle, be keenly warned/aware of how fragile his position is] but rather because of his own psychological short comings, it's a losing war he can't help himself but fight...



if i was part of an office betting pool and was going to place $5 on what month he's gone in, i'd go put my red chip semi-chaotically on july 2018...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 17, 2017 - 07:43pm PT
This may be your best Troll yet
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 17, 2017 - 07:46pm PT
^reeelin' 'em in like mudsharks on grass shrimp
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:09pm PT
Jaybro: that troll comment really, as it appears, directed at me?

if so i can assure you [and you waste enough time around here that you should know] that i don't troll in the political threads...

i save that for the climbing discussions... :)



in all seriousness there isn't a word i wrote above that was written purely to get a reaction. if i had to place a $5 bill on only one of a million possible outcomes, given what i've seen over the last year and a bit that is what i'd place my fiver on..

if that was directed at me, which part makes you think it was a troll?.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:14pm PT
he warn't talkin' 'bout you Nachos
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:17pm PT
tbc:

makes more sense now... the joys of non-threaded responses... carry on.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:21pm PT
Every single day I ask myself the same question of you clowns.... then it hits me... ejaculating into the echo chamber™™™

Russ, I have come to suspect you might not be a Democrat....

Look, fine with me if you think all's hunky dory in the White House. I see things from a different perspective.

Today as I was sitting on my ass at Starbucks, writing the post about the Asshat, a family of three came and sat nearby. An acquaintance of the man in the family came by, and we ended up chatting. The topic of "The Wall" came up, and at one point the man, of Mexican descent, told me a bit of what he has been dealing with "since Trump."

He is a U.S. citizen, works as a television producer, and a while back bought a place here in Yucca somewhere. Looking at him, you would likely guess he is of Mexican heritage. His wife looked to be perhaps from South America, of White Spanish ancestry. Their little boy of five or six, a mix of the two.

He said it took about a year of getting new place worked on, and during that time they kept their dogs with a friend in Mexico, not far over the border. They would go back each week to visit and manage care for the dogs. He said that each and every time he went through the border, he got stopped for further questioning, even as the same agents got to recognize them.

He talked about a neighbor near his place here, who he described as "a fat white guy who always seemed angry," and the nasty way the man would talk to himself, when out in the yard, referring to this man and his family as "beaners." He says there has been a very obvious sense of hostility from strangers as he goes about his daily life. He said "You just can't imagine what it is like, because it's not something you would ever experience, as a white person in this country."

This is a man who doesn't look in the least like a "lazy and at the same time job-stealing" wetback illegal alien. He looks like a guy who works at a job that takes more of an emotional work than one that is manually taxing. He dresses casually but cleanly and nicely. Probably makes a good salary but is not ostentatious. His English was that of a person who speaks it as first language. As he spoke, when I looked to his wife, her eyes were pained at times. They told me that the son recently asked him about "the difference" between people according to their skin color. He knows he has to teach that son about the reality that he will be discriminated against because he has brown skin, but that (his words) "You poop, and so does the person with lighter skin color, and so does the person with darker skin color. We all poop the same." He said, about the hassles at border, and the looks and interactions with people, that he "knows he has to make the best of it; not get angry, not get defensive." But it is tiring.


This is the SH#T that decent people are dealing with courtesy of the Trump Nationalism. So, pardon me if I don't lay down and say nothing about what is going on.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:22pm PT
Jody...I thought you were married and strait...? Anyway...You're wrong...Drive over and buy me dinner...RJ
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:36pm PT
Even for the Taco Bell drive thru...?
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:52pm PT
RoguePOTUSStaff wrote, about the Trump Media Survey:
Source code looks like the survey data not even collected, the only purpose of the page is to direct ppl to donation page. Anyone confirm?

Any of you all who can analyze that sort of thing?

It would just be "So DT" to have made a truly fake poll to put the hand out, when he calls all the other polls fake.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 17, 2017 - 08:54pm PT
I'm not forgetting to reply to the other stuff we were discussing Madbolter, but not ready to dig into that right now. I'll get to it eventually.

Interesting article:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/17/515630467/with-fake-news-trump-moves-from-alternative-facts-to-alternative-language

While the Internet has been democratizing in some ways, creating widespread access to information, it is also destabilizing democracy by undermining a system of media due diligence and reputation and being a fundamental gateway of sharing a message with the public. This former power of the media acted as another check and balance in our democracy, where government leaders had to respect the press because that was the only way to communicate on a large scale with the public and attain public support. Trump has taken the new reality to the logical conclusion by completely bypassing this tier of information vetting, communicating directly to his enraptured base who are ready to consume whatever he has to say. He is cementing this dynamic and creating permanent distrust in media institutions so that real facts and truth will not deter his followers from supporting him.

I don't see a universal way to solve this problem because there will always be a spectrum of people who aren't intelligent and just choose a leader in which to have faith. And there are going to be economic and cultural problems that limit access to and perceived value of education. Any other way of dealing with it seems to infringe on freedom of speech and creates its own separate slippery slope. Do we need to expand laws related to lying? I think we do. If there is no downside to publicly lying, but there is an upside in terms of stupid people supporting the liar, then it encourages lying. I don't think our policies and legal system should support lying. I think this goes for Dem or Repub before anybody tries to make this partisan.

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 17, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
Do we need to expand laws related to lying? I think we do. If there is no downside to publicly lying, but there is an upside in terms of stupid people supporting the liar, then it encourages lying. I don't think our policies and legal system should support lying. I think this goes for Dem or Repub before anybody tries to make this partisan.




Yes.

My friend's child speaks the word pussy these days. Not from a comic book or a tabloid or a skanky personals ad......I suppose you might call it sex ed but I'll be damned if people with a Calvin pissing on "my Ex" bumpersticker know how exactly two become one.....
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 17, 2017 - 09:11pm PT
jody= anti constitution. anti gay. anti environment, anti intellectualism, anti science, anti human rights, anti civil rights, anti immigration, anti health care, anti reproductive rights,
anti truth, anti morality, anti christian, anti gun control, anti women, anti american anti everything. why do you hate amekkka jody?

Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Feb 17, 2017 - 09:16pm PT
happegrrllll: That is a nice anecdotal story.

All that tells is that maybe a guy has an as#@&%e neighbor, and his frequent border crossings are noticed by the guys that are supposed to notice. Welcome to the real world.

And for the record, I'm not in the hunky dory crowd as far as the Whitehouse. Never have been.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:08pm PT
Isn't it remarkable how patriotic Jody is but he's gloating over how much of an anti-democracy, 1s Amendment, Constitution hating horror show Trump is. And when Der Fuhrer does something really embarrassing, he falls back on the 'I didn't vote for him' spiel. Like all the Republicans in Congress, he doesn't love this country. He only loves the Republican party.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:11pm PT
why don't you just sack up and admit you're
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:19pm PT
I always find it interesting when I see, or hear conservatives bitching about mandatory seat belt laws, like Werner did tonight.

When I first saw these signs " Click It Or Ticket" I wondered what they were related to.

Then I looked it up and found out it was for seat belts.

I never wore those stoopid belts.

I was free soloing down the road .....


Of course any true patriot doesn't use seat belts, just to show those government folks that they are true Americans, not sheep.

I was thus amused a few years back, when very conservative, ex-Idaho Congresswoman, Helen Chenoweth died because whe was driving without her seat belt in a one-car rollover in rural Nevada.

From Wikipedia:
During her tenure, she was referred to by her most outspoken critics as a "poster-child for the militias," and in February 1995 she voiced the suspicion that armed federal agents were landing black helicopters on Idaho ranchers' property to enforce the Endangered Species Act, in line with a longstanding conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Chenoweth-Hage
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 17, 2017 - 10:20pm PT
Yep Fat Dad.

Jody is the Neville Chamberlain of Super Topo, albeit less eloquent. Just another tard fooled by a tyrant traitor.

"Peace in our Time"
"So Far, so Good"

Claims that will exist in the lexicon of goofballs that have been duped.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 18, 2017 - 05:07am PT
I recall not too long ago some folks from your neck of the woods were killing folks not too far to the South and vis versa.

Fear, I just live in Ireland, my neck of the woods was originally California. Yes, humans are tribal, and many can be blindly led.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 18, 2017 - 07:31am PT
These so called "Patriots" hate our Government but love the Republican Party. They are Nationalists, not Patriots.

They do everything to dismantle our Great Constitutional Government by defunding Depts., appointing enemies to the Dept to be the head, and brainwash the supporters to go along with it even though it's going to screw them personally.

The biggest scam in the Patriot movement is Low Taxes
The One thing that would demonstrate True Patriotism would being paying your fair share of taxes.
What is the Number One thing you can do for this country as a Patriot, give the Government money to operate.

But no, since these guys aren't true Patriots but just shills for their leaders they spew anti-patriotic memes of the need for Low Taxes for the rich and Corps. It's a cult, these people are easily led to anger, fear, blame, greed, by hypnotic talk show leaders. They live in a bubble of misinformation.

Defund the Gov. and it's protections and services die, and let fascism rule in it's place, that is the end game and the Right Wing leaders are using their followers to make that happen
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 18, 2017 - 07:38am PT
Hey Nutagain
If you want to learn more about what's at the core
Read these 2 books

1) Conservatives Without Conscience: John W. Dean

2) Dark Money, Jane Mayer

Why is America living in an age of profound economic inequality? Why, despite the desperate need to address climate change, have even modest environmental efforts been defeated again and again? Why have protections for employees been decimated? Why do hedge-fund billionaires pay a far lower tax rate than middle-class workers?

The conventional answer is that a popular uprising against “big government” led to the ascendancy of a broad-based conservative movement. But as Jane Mayer shows in this powerful, meticulously reported history, a network of exceedingly wealthy people with extreme libertarian views bankrolled a systematic, step-by-step plan to fundamentally alter the American political system.

The network has brought together some of the richest people on the planet. Their core beliefs—that taxes are a form of tyranny; that government oversight of business is an assault on freedom—are sincerely held. But these beliefs also advance their personal and corporate interests: Many of their companies have run afoul of federal pollution, worker safety, securities, and tax laws.

The chief figures in the network are Charles and David Koch, whose father made his fortune in part by building oil refineries in Stalin’s Russia and Hitler’s Germany. The patriarch later was a founding member of the John Birch Society, whose politics were so radical it believed Dwight Eisenhower was a communist. The brothers were schooled in a political philosophy that asserted the only role of government is to provide security and to enforce property rights.

When libertarian ideas proved decidedly unpopular with voters, the Koch brothers and their allies chose another path. If they pooled their vast resources, they could fund an interlocking array of organizations that could work in tandem to influence and ultimately control academic institutions, think tanks, the courts, statehouses, Congress, and, they hoped, the presidency. Richard Mellon Scaife, the mercurial heir to banking and oil fortunes, had the brilliant insight that most of their political activities could be written off as tax-deductible “philanthropy.”
pb

Sport climber
Sonora Ca
Feb 18, 2017 - 07:57am PT
As a man falling from a skyscraper sailed by the tenth floor someone inside asked him, "how's it going?
He replied, "so far so good."
c wilmot

climber
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:01am PT
The Koch bros give the CPB major funding every year. The CPB created and largely funds NPR...

Something to think about when you listen to "public" radio
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:07am PT
Be patriotic and gladly pay your fair share Fry. The Phantom Koch bros have no control of this administration or your personal life.
c wilmot

climber
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:09am PT
They do have a control of what the media says and how it will influence/condition people's thinking.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:11am PT
Yeah the same MSM and public media conglomerate that controls the loons minds and manipulates their lips in lockstep.
c wilmot

climber
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:14am PT
Yes but the MSM does not receive federal funding...


NPR is taxpayer supported propaganda
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:16am PT
Yeah sure. Just ask Hillary. There is quid pro quo.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:18am PT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:28am PT
Thanks for the heads up Cowboy, but I've already contributed. Maybe I'll get a tax cut and a few more cable outlets actually covering news rather than shaping it in the collective robot mind
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:39am PT
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:50am PT
Rick & C. Wilmot?

The MSM Rick has repeatedly stated that he hates, & C. Wilmot now defends appears to be this organisation:


I don't want to sound like one of them "smart-ass" "know-it-all" liberals, but is it possible that you perhaps mean:

MSN?

As in Microsoft Network?

Jest curious, not trying to make trouble, ya know.

Edit! Ah! MSM is mainstream media. Well schist, ya learn something new every fooking day, if you jest pay attention to this fooking thread.
c wilmot

climber
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:52am PT
Defends?

I pointed out NPR receives taxpayer funding while the MSM does not...

You can led a horse to water but you can't make em drink...

its the main stream media... not MSN the news channel
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 18, 2017 - 09:00am PT

Feb 18, 2017 - 07:31am PT
These people hate our Government but love the Republican Party.

They do everything to dismantle our Great Constitutional Government by defunding Depts., appointing enemies to the Dept to be the head, and brainwash the supporters to go along with it even though it's going to screw them personally.

The biggest scam in the Patriot movement is Low Taxes
The One thing that would demonstrate True Patriotism would being paying your fair share of taxes.
What is the Number One thing you can do for this country as a Patriot, give the Government money to operate.

But no, since these guys aren't true Patriots but just shills for their leaders they spew anti-patriotic memes of the need for Low Taxes for the rich and Corps. It's a cult, these people are easily led to anger, fear, blame, greed, by hypnotic talk show leaders. They live in a bubble of misinformation.

Defund the Gov. and it's protections and services die, and let fascism rule in it's place, that is the end game and the Right Wing leaders are using their followers to make that happen

As horrifying as it seems, this seems like the most rational explanation to me. A few small points I might add- not everything needs to be a conspiracy of a few evil rich folks. A bunch of companies and rich people can operate locally to rig their judicial system, gerrymander districts, etc. and the emergent properties of this collective pursuit of self-interest leads to the same thing. That said, I do expect that very rich folks pursuing their own best interest would organize multi-decade plans to transform government through accumulation of small but important changes while people are distracted by polarizing issues. It makes logical and rational sense, just to achieve an objective that most of us don't think is right. I think the fundamental role of government is to create space for people to pursue their self interest, but also create healthy boundaries that stop the pursuit of some from hurting others. We are totally failing in that in a catastrophic way.

Some part of me is not compassionate for the people who vote against their self-interest, but rather vindictive that they will be worst hit with the consequences of their own actions. I have the financial means to go elsewhere in relative style if it gets too ugly. But what world for my kids? And USA has too much military power to ignore the consequences to the world of our implosion. The future is blurry.

Madbolter, I'm procrastinating the thing I use to procrastinate from work....
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 18, 2017 - 09:03am PT
Great posts Craig.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 18, 2017 - 09:06am PT
Doesn't have to be direct federal funding C. Wilmot. Could be a tax break here, favorable legislation there, or relaxation of federal bureaucratic controlled red tape. They're getting plenty of help, otherwise you wouldn't have seen them feeding Hillary, chewing up Trump and before that 8 years of lockstep compliance with the Obama myth.

Edit: Fixed it for ya.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 18, 2017 - 09:15am PT

To sum up the first month of the presidency:

"Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more; it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing"

The cost of having this president and his family on top is reported for the first month to have exceeded the cost of having the Obama family on top for a year. Taxpayers money?

Cost-effective?

What a mess...

Why not start a "Trump, So Far So Bad"-thread, instead of contributing to Jody's "So Far So Good"-Trump-admiration, I ask myself...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 18, 2017 - 09:16am PT
It frustrates me to no end watching middle class conservatives who pay taxes and want to pay less taxes , voting for billionaires that don't pay taxes...It's like swinging at a Pinata...Trump ain't going to lower your taxes but go ahead and keep swinging at the Pinata...
monolith

climber
state of being
Feb 18, 2017 - 09:29am PT
Ryan excludes democrats in meeting with ICE official that the dems requested.

https://gutierrez.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/guti-rrez-being-asked-leave-ice-meeting-capitol-speaker-ryan-and
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 18, 2017 - 09:34am PT
How about paying no taxes at all, then getting back EIC, ACA subsidies, rent assistance, foodstamps, 99 weeks of UI, then retire early on SSI disability.

Enough of this shet. Too many bought and paid for zombies. Everybody should have skin in the game.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 18, 2017 - 09:47am PT
BRING BACK THE WPA!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 18, 2017 - 09:56am PT
Yeah, you gotta jump through too many hoops and it's usually slower than LTE, or even 4G.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 18, 2017 - 10:18am PT
The Koch bros give the CPB major funding every year. The CPB created and largely funds NPR...

Something to think about when you listen to "public" radio


Sure, I would like to not see them underwriting NPR, but what are you going to do? It costs money to keep the lights on and the radio tower up. Most, if not all, major organizations give money philanthropically. It reduces their tax burdens considerably. I have the feeling that if the monies pad for donations to nonprofits were eliminated as a tax break, those donations would be reduced significantly, by both corporations and individuals.

The issue is not that they give, nor that their giving is accepted, but are there strings attached in the giving and acceptance. I understand that NPR has resisted the attempts by the Koch brothers to influence programming and reporting. Do you have information that would indicate otherwise?

I listen to public radio stations throughout the country as I travel, and the content varies. My main station is WAMC, with Alan Chartock as CEO. While I do, at times, tire of his voice personally, I think the station is pretty damned good.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 18, 2017 - 10:43am PT
Has Hillary been jailed yet?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 18, 2017 - 10:56am PT
Rally in FL. lol, best to go someplace safe. You can run, but you can't hide bro. DC will be waiting for you when you get back, BWA HA HA hahahaaa!!
monolith

climber
state of being
Feb 18, 2017 - 10:56am PT
Post election rally? Nuremberg rallies anyone?
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 18, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
What frustrates me is people of the lower income class not paying their taxes...(Or for that matter, ANYONE that doesn't pay their taxes)...

People of low incomes who receive W-2's DO pay their taxes, just to be clear on the issue. I am sure that is not to whom you are referring, of course. They have a set amount deducted from each and every paycheck, and that money pooled with so many others in the same situation, gains interest along the way until the initial amount is refunded. A loan, in a way, with no interest paid to the one who lends it....
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Feb 18, 2017 - 12:15pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Edited to add:
How about paying no taxes at all, then getting back EIC, ACA subsidies, rent assistance, foodstamps, 99 weeks of UI, then retire early on SSI disability.

Enough of this shet. Too many bought and paid for zombies. Everybody should have skin in the game.

Too bad Trump doesn't have skin in the game. He hasn't paid taxes, SS, Medicare, whatever for years and years.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 18, 2017 - 01:07pm PT
Until the multi trillion dollar murder empire is reeled back in, I applaud anyone who doesn't pay their federal taxes. Good for them.

Unfortunately I don't have to the means or the balls to resist.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 18, 2017 - 02:51pm PT
I took that mainstream media survey just out of curiosity. And as others have mentioned, I suspect it is a fake survey just to drive people to give money to Trump. He has no class whatsoever. Classless and clueless is Number 45.

A fake president.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 18, 2017 - 02:56pm PT
If trumpco doesn't frighten the sh#t out of you from both a national security perspective and his wholesale handing of the nation over to corporations then you're either delusional, an idiot, or just not paying attention.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 18, 2017 - 03:03pm PT
GF, regarding your post about the costs of Trump and company "travel' expenses (as such), I was going to bring up the point of Eric Trump's business trip to Uruguay costing the taxpayer nearly $90k.

I can understand a president's immediate family (children and I suppose grandchildren) requiring Secret Service protection, say on everyday living matters or even holidays, but the taxpayer partially footing the bill (in a way, yes) for a business trip? A trip that was to benefit the Trump Organization.

I know some may scoff at me for thinking that is a bit outrageous, but it just does not seem right that Trump can benefit from such.

And could those people who want to bring up Clinton and Obama understand that in a sense, both are "history". What matters is the here and now and right now Trump is the president (I guess, I could be wrong) and the immediate concern is what he is (or is not) doing.

It seems that Trump does not want the buck to stop at him (unless it is a dollar buck, and of course it stops at him, I mean soliciting donations for a 2020 campaign as well as padding his bank account even more. How graceless. Mainstream Media Survey my ass, a joke and con is what it is, but then, joke and con go hand in hand with Donald Trump.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 18, 2017 - 03:34pm PT
^^^ delusional.

P.S. Trump's Virginia vineyard just applied for more 23 more foreign laborer visas at $11.27 an hour (Romanian and South African)- so much much for putting America First. That pretty much says it all about just how f*#king clueless the working class rubes who voted for trump are. He makes the post-Civil War carpetbaggers all look like Mother Teresas by comparison.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 18, 2017 - 03:34pm PT
Trump is campaigning already because he knows he is in deep sh*t. As you saw from his ADD press conference, his only hope of extending his train wreck presidency is rallying his base. Eventually most of them will get tired of the relentless whining and press bashing.

Uncle Puty has special place for him when the time comes. So at least he has that going for him, which is nice.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 18, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
gf,

As you say, the changing times have left many of them behind.

That being said we need to figure out how to empathize and reach out to them. Right now all they have is Trump. They need an alternative.

I have been guilty of belittling them. I need to do better. I think it is time to build some bridges.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 18, 2017 - 04:37pm PT
Right now all they have is Trump.

No, right now all they have is the illusion of trump who played to their fears, stirred up racism among a fair number of them, and pandered to them with endless lies. Trumpco, right now - every day - is so furiously busy f*#king them that by the time he's done their lives are going to be way worse off than compared to today and without the few precious few protections they currently enjoy. It's the biggest con job in the history of the nation.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 18, 2017 - 04:43pm PT
Just to simplify this, CNN was in the hallway in the Capitol, and asked various Republicans who had seen the rambling, stream of consciousness press conference. They asked them what they thought.

They either wouldn't comment, or they thought it was not good.

We see a lot of pushback by Republicans. Not overwhelming, but telling, because Republicans have voted as a single block for years now. Anyone jumping off of the bandwagon is interesting.

I walked out of my office and watched the whole press conference. Trump rambles, continues to tell lies, like how his electoral college victory was the biggest since Reagan. It was not. Not even close. When reminded of this by a reporter, he finally said, "That is what I was told."

He is out of his depth. He has no experience in governing. He doesn't act professional when in public. Jeez, his press conference with the Israeli PM was also weird. In the middle of it he again stopped to brag about his HUGE electoral college win.

The truth is, he won by 75,000 total votes in 3 key states. He barely won.

It doesn't matter, though. Nobody is questioning his legitimacy as President. That went away in about two days. Nobody says that he isn't the President. Still, he has to keep lying about it. I was glad that a reporter finally read him all of the other electoral college counts since Reagan. That is just a lie.

It comes down to this: We have never seen a president act more un-presidential than Trump. Geez, Pence gave a great speech today in Europe, with a coherent foreign policy message: All is well.

Pence would make a much better president than Trump. The media is all over him because he gives them so much ammo. Obama, both Bushes, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, you name it. They all behaved professionally, with every word carefully measured.

Trump just wings it. Then he goes to Florida every weekend. The right bitched when Obama went on vacation. It is expensive to fly Air Force One and prepare for any presidential trip. They cost millions. Trump does it every weekend. His wife stays in New York most of the time, his kids travel around the world. The secret service is being strained.

Remember the outrage over the expense of Obama's vacation in Cape Cod? Trump does this every weekend.

The only thing I can say is that this whole experience has been like a dream. It is unreal.

Hopefully he will grow into the job, but right now, he should keep his mouth shut, especially calling the news "fake news."

The guy lives in a bubble inside his own mind. This has been completely bizarre.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 18, 2017 - 04:46pm PT
Inner city Black guys can't get work; the response is that it's their own fault and that McD's is always hiring.

White suburban and rural guys can't get work and the country has let them down.....



Huh.... wonder why that is.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 18, 2017 - 04:53pm PT
Cosmic, dem obstruction? Maybe you conveniently forgot the last eight years.

Payback is a bitch eh?
It's funny yet horrific to watch your boy try to flush the media, the judiciary and the intelligence community all at the same time.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 18, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
How can you not feel sorry for these people?

[youtube=http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-brings-supporter-on-stage-during-rally/vi-AAn5Fok]
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 18, 2017 - 05:11pm PT
ISIS= "progressive" America hating loons. Babble on loons, you, as always, have nothing accomplish, no where to go, and a long time to do it.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 18, 2017 - 05:20pm PT
Speaking of ISIS, how's that extra special better than anyone's war on them going?

They were down to Mosul and Raqqa already anyway. Shouldn't Trump Almighty have 'em scooped up by now?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/17/opinions/trump-wants-you-to-hate-media-ghitis/index.html

#middleschoolpresident
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 18, 2017 - 05:56pm PT
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 18, 2017 - 05:56pm PT
^Many. Very many. More than you can imagine, and they are the best threads. Many people say so. Those who disagree are failed climbers.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 18, 2017 - 06:22pm PT
.
The link is The whole Taco & worth the listen

Shep Faux news boiy Smith
Tell is like it is

https://youtu.be/fysSDYkhHlU






[Click to View YouTube Video]
monolith

climber
state of being
Feb 18, 2017 - 06:38pm PT
#sodidcouchmaster
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 18, 2017 - 06:52pm PT
Does that mean that we put couch on the deleted threads thread?
John M

climber
Feb 18, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
maybe ya'll could dial it back on the trump posting. Ya'll keep two threads going almost constantly. Its driving more then a few people around the bend.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 18, 2017 - 07:44pm PT
John M...Good idea...
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 18, 2017 - 07:49pm PT
Saw the following on social media, which sums it up well: "If you elect a clown, expect a circus."
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:08pm PT
ISIS= "progressive" America hating loons. Babble on loons, you, as always, have nothing accomplish, no where to go, and a long time to do it.

^^^^ idiot.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Feb 18, 2017 - 08:13pm PT
I heard a funny one on TV last night.


Trump was given an MVP,

Mrs
Vladimir
Putin
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 18, 2017 - 09:38pm PT
ISIS= "progressive" America hating loons. Babble on loons, you, as always, have nothing accomplish, no where to go, and a long time to do it.

Someone apparently recycled enough beer bottles to purchase a random text generator.

Bitchen.

Malignant narcissism times two (or more).


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