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the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 21, 2017 - 03:18pm PT
2.5 million participants worldwide.

So proud of my wife, out participating today.

Bigger in DC than Trumps inauguration crowds.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 21, 2017 - 03:19pm PT
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 21, 2017 - 03:22pm PT
My daughter and her friend marched in LA today.

My friends marched in Sacramento.

A couple of our dear friends here marched in C_ _ o.

A group of good friends from VA marched in DC today.
Edge

Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
Jan 21, 2017 - 04:00pm PT
My daughter, a middle school math teacher, walked the mile from her apartment to the center of the Denver March, 100,000+ strong. Her mother and I are so proud of her taking a stand for her convictions.

The initial statement today from the press secretary was an embarrassment.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 21, 2017 - 04:03pm PT
...from the Oakland CA march today...




Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jan 21, 2017 - 04:17pm PT
Here's a note from one of the local news services:

Here's how big today's women's march in Seattle is: The front reached Seattle Center (the end) before the back had left Judkins Park (the start). That's a distance of a 3.6 miles.

That's a lot of women (and there were a lot of men, too).
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Jan 21, 2017 - 04:30pm PT
I participated in another L.A. "Sister" event (couldn't get downtown). Tons of friends downtown and some in DC. Today in L.A. you could see the SNOW on our local mountains...30 years ago they would have been shrouded in smog...last few years there wasn't really even any snow...and these f*ckers in Congress are already trying to stop Califonia from regulating emissions in our own state...

Sean Spicer was disgraceful but what did anyone expect from a Drumpf mouthpiece? We have entered "1984".
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 21, 2017 - 04:37pm PT
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 21, 2017 - 05:40pm PT
I'm guessing alimony or Oprah funded the flights.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 21, 2017 - 05:52pm PT
I still want to know they didn't want my disabled decorated Air Force veteran bro-in-law, who
flew 2000 miles, to participate with his daughters and wife in the DC march. Shameful. I know
you won't believe me but his radical daughter has been lighting up Facebook about this.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 21, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
Reilly- who's "they"?
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2017 - 06:38pm PT
I love humor in the face of adversity, so the "we shall overcomb " sign really made my day. Thanks for posting.
rincon

climber
Coarsegold
Jan 21, 2017 - 06:40pm PT
Yesterday was depressing but today was inspiring. America will be great again! (As soon as Trump is gone).

My wife and her friends marched in Fresno today! And here's my awesome mother-inlaw today in Ketchum Idaho.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 21, 2017 - 06:53pm PT
When my bro-in-law showed up march organizers told him only one family member could walk
with him. There were some other caveats, too. Trust me, my niece is a major league person in
the violence against women world and she is really pissed off.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:05pm PT
If it's a ticketed system, then it's reasonable to limit to one non ticketed helper. If not, anyone should be allowed to participate.

Was this the actual march or some transportation or designated area/group issue?

Obviously, anyone can march.

I think were missing some key details here.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:15pm PT
SF march. Anybody and everybody.

crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:19pm PT
Reilly's post makes no sense. I'm in SF and thousands of people are coming and going in all directions. There's not a chance anyone would tell you what you can and can't do. March organizers? Huh? All I see are throngs of people having a good time.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:22pm PT
Crankloon, he was in Washington, DC. Were you there in a wheelchair?
monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:22pm PT
LOL, Brennan, relax. If it's something like a bus designated for the handicapped, then it makes sense that one person per disabled be allowed. Otherwise, you would just be limiting the number of handicapped that could attend.

We are missing some key details here.

Any number of people can walk beside a wheelchair. No one is going to stop that.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:25pm PT
We are missing some key details here

We're not missing anything, you retard. As I said, my niece's bona fides
as a major player in the violence against women movement gives her all the
street cred she needs to know when somebody is being discriminated against.
So shut yer holier than thou know it all moronic mouth.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:26pm PT
O'Reilly, you're as misinformed as your namesake on Fox. Trying to denigrate a successful event. We all care about the disabled.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:27pm PT
Monolith...Have you met Reilly's bro in law Vinny...?
monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:27pm PT
It just doesn't make sense. How is it even possible to keep people from being near a wheelchair in a march?

jstan

climber
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
In Yucca Valley at 62 and Old Woman's Spring there were something over 100 people. Well over half of the passing cars honked agreement. It was good.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:34pm PT
We're not missing anything, you retard. As I said, my niece's bona fides
as a major player in the violence against women movement gives her all the
street cred she needs to know when somebody is being discriminated against.
So shut yer holier than thou know it all moronic mouth.

Your niece may be a major player, but you are not. She is not posting here, you are, someone who LOVES to troll and put up false information, just to be inflammatory.

I don't think it happened, certainly not the way you describe. I'm also handicapped, and deal with such things on a daily basis, you don't.

It is really despicable when non-handicapped people play the handicapped card for their own benefit.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:43pm PT


john hansen

climber
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:45pm PT
I saw a friends post on Facebook ,who went to an event in Billings Montana, they had 10,000 people there.

In a state with only a million people.


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 21, 2017 - 07:46pm PT
Do snakes have pussies? I fear the results of that google search.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jan 21, 2017 - 08:04pm PT
Well, here's one for history. As some of you know, Libby Sauter, a well-known and very accomplished climber and YOSAR member, has been on Aconcagua in Argentina for the last month. (In real life, Libby is a pediatric cardiac care nurse in developing countries, with Novick Cardiac Alliance. She sometimes posts here as velvet!) Anyway, Libby apparently got to the top today, as reported by another party. I'm not sure by what route, but suspect it was her first high mountain.

Yesterday Libby said "It'll be my women's march on Aconcagua!" Undoubtedly the highest march today, and perhaps the highest such march in history.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 21, 2017 - 08:04pm PT
Fear...One eyed strikers don't have pussies...
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 21, 2017 - 08:14pm PT
My mom is 85
and just learned how to knit in order to make Pussy Hats.


We had 15K + here in Tucson.
Incredible.



blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 21, 2017 - 08:21pm PT
Well, here's one for history. As some of you know, Libby Sauter, a well-known and very accomplished climber and YOSAR member, has been on Aconcagua in Argentina for the last month. (In real life, Libby is a pediatric cardiac care nurse in developing countries, with Novick Cardiac Alliance. She sometimes posts here as velvet!) Anyway, Libby apparently got to the top today, as reported by another party. I'm not sure by what route, but suspect it was her first high mountain.

Yesterday Libby said "It'll be my women's march on Aconcagua!" Undoubtedly the highest march today, and perhaps the highest such march in history.

So someone on vacation decided to say that her vacation activity was a "march"? Very deep.
I suppose the Republican CEOs can say that they are on an equally significant "march" for whatever cause they like every time they play a round of golf at their country club.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jan 21, 2017 - 08:52pm PT
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http://www.vox.com/2017/1/21/14345972/boston-denver-chicago-march
Timid and i representing in Chico...2,300 and counting..

Wheel chairs up front and in the crowd.
Walking past the University..
Walking into the Zocolo
Peaceful first amendment folks standing together in solidarity.

VVVVV*
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/21/world/womens-march-pictures.html <
^^^^^^^^^

Great day..

Love the photo of the little fruitbat..(-;


Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jan 21, 2017 - 09:13pm PT
35 to 40 thousand in San Diego, despite the threat of rain and some actual rain. Great crowd, only saw one counter protester who was completely ignored, she was a fat older white lady with an Uncle Sam hat that said "Patriots Pay Taxes". An ironic sign since we know that Donnie Combover pays no taxes.

clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jan 21, 2017 - 09:31pm PT
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 21, 2017 - 09:49pm PT

Re the press secretary -i give him, and trump 4-6 mos -total sycophants

Fixed it for you.

I will give Reilly the benefit of a doubt, but isn't it possible they didn't want someone with a wheelchair because of the size of the crowds?
dirtbag

climber
Jan 21, 2017 - 09:52pm PT
It might be the largest protest in American history. Proud to be a part of it.
caughtinside

Social climber
Oakland, CA
Jan 21, 2017 - 09:57pm PT
Oakland March was 60k+ and really positive. Really great day
dirtbag

climber
Jan 21, 2017 - 10:05pm PT
I haven't heard of any arrests, either.
Heyzeus

climber
Hollywood,Ca
Jan 21, 2017 - 11:09pm PT
We marched downtown LA. It was inspiring, positive experience, truly awesome. Organizers say 750,000 people,which I don't believe, but it was a lot of frigin people. The amount of people overflowed the route into something like 4-5 extra parallel streets, it was unbelievable. Wonderful day.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Jan 21, 2017 - 11:25pm PT
I sill say it is weird that the GOVERNMENT can tell a woman what she can do or can not do with own her Vagina.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 22, 2017 - 01:23am PT
80-100k turned out in PDX...

Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Jan 22, 2017 - 01:53am PT
I'm currently in Bahrain-no women marching here that I know of...surprised?
But headed back to Delhi, and I know we had a sister march there as well.

Proud of all these people!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jan 22, 2017 - 05:36am PT


monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 22, 2017 - 07:35am PT
Fairbanks, subzero temps

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 22, 2017 - 08:14am PT
The Orange Turd is doing an excellent job of unifying people. Looks like there were 2.5M out in the streets unifying with what I'm sure is a number 10 or 100 times that size "there" via proxy.
BrassNuts

Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
Jan 22, 2017 - 09:53am PT
Very cool event in Denver yesterday! Up to 200k participants and everyone was extremely well behaved.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jan 22, 2017 - 10:00am PT
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I had planned on attending the Sacramento march with my friends,but was needed by family.
My friends are somewhere in this crowd of thousands..
A sign my friends saw in Sacramento.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jan 22, 2017 - 10:15am PT
Libby: ""When they go low, WE go high!" My solo women's march yesterday "
She considered that she was marching yesterday, and that's good enough for me. And while marching yesterday may not have been the main purpose of Libby's ascent, if she wants to say that she was marching, who are we to disagree?
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Jan 22, 2017 - 10:25am PT
i too sidewalk shuffled among the throng to heritage square in flagstaff. the spirit is strong.

next chance i'll tote a sign: DELIVER US from MEGALOMANIAICAL GASLIGHTING"
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jan 22, 2017 - 10:27am PT
Biggest ever protest in Seattle...

History was made Saturday in Seattle as more than 100,000 people marched through the streets to stand up for women's rights. The record protest for the Women’s March on Seattle far surpassed previous demonstrations in the city.
(from The Seattle Times)
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
Indescribable day in DC yesterday. Reilly sorry your family member had trouble. I rode the metro with, and was near several people in wheel chairs while there. It's a shame someone - anyone - was denied.

I've read that the signs on the ground are in front of Trump's International Hotel on Pennsylvania. They were left there in protest. The rest of the city looked great. When I went past the hotel, there were no signs there however - just two rows of fences and lots of police.

Edit: more photos here of those signs in that location: http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/315495-womens-march-protesters-leave-their-signs-at-trumps-dc-hotel

I hope all of you have an opportunity some time to be with so many people filled with love and a desire for inclusiveness, unity and joy. It was really uplifting.
c wilmot

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:09pm PT
It's a public street. It's trash that city workers will pick up. Those marches were purely emotional based.

I find it amazing so many people showed up outraged over words while saying nothing when the USA became involved in a third war in Syria.
A war in which our allies the "rebels"-Islamic terrorist groups- treat women like dirt.


It's great we can still protest in such a manner but i feel the anger is seriously misdirected.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:09pm PT
Why can't leftist slobs ever pick up after themselves?

I have been in many red states where there is trash along the highway, and in parks. It seems to me that redstaters also like to use their front yard as a parking lot.
Degaine

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:13pm PT
TGT2 wrote:
Why can't leftist slobs ever pick up after themselves?

So for you women's rights is only an issue for those left of center on the political spectrum?

As Crimpergirl wrote, how do you know those signs weren't left there in protest?
herm

Trad climber
Bishop
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:21pm PT

600 marched in Bishop, about 17% of the population.
Degaine

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:29pm PT
c wilmot wrote:
Those marches were purely emotional based.

Can't recall you writing this during the original Tea Party protests (before the movement was co-opted by the Koch brothers). But hey, who are we kidding, using "emotional" is just another way to denigrate and dismiss women.

c wilmot wrote:
It's great we can still protest in such a manner but i feel the anger is seriously misdirected.


Of course you find it misdirected since you don't agree with them. Again, what exactly do you find misdirected?

c wilmot wrote:
I find it amazing so many people showed up outraged over words while saying nothing when the USA became involved in a third war in Syria.
A war in which our allies the "rebels"-Islamic terrorist groups- treat women like dirt.

Syria is the direct result of 60+ years of misguided (an understatement) US policy in the region starting with the CIA overthrow of Mossagdegh in Iran to install the Shah (a brutal dictator) to the historic and ongoing support of the most extreme fundamentalist Islamic and terrorist regime - Saudi Arabia and its Royal family, right up to the fiasco that was the invasion of Iraq in 2003. The latter is the reason ISIS exists and Syria is now in shambles alongside Iraq.
That written, millions of people did protest in early 2003 against invading Iraq. I find it amazing that you don't remember that.

I fear following yesterday's protest for women's rights that, just as in 2003 and for most issues, the US government rarely listens or heeds to public opinion.

Cheers and thanks to all those who took action yesterday (and sorry for the slight digression in this thread).
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:33pm PT
wilmot, you are always finding fault with the US policy toward Syria, yet I never see you offering a solution.

edit: sorry for the thread drift
c wilmot

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:34pm PT
It's misdirected because they are protesting a silly comment instead of our policy's of supporting groups of people who treat women like dirt.

And yes I agree our policy's go back some time. However trump had no part of it. Hillary on the other hand?

Edit- the solution is to not have invaded a sovereign nation while supporting the terrorist groups behind the chaos.

It's been a predictable disastor.
It's too bad so many are worried about Syrian refugees rather than our policy's that displaced them.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:38pm PT

seen in LA
Degaine

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:46pm PT
c wilmot wrote:
It's misdirected because they are protesting a silly comment instead of our policy's of supporting groups of people who treat women like dirt.

Thanks for the reply.

Do you really think all of these people took to the streets because Donald Trump said "grab them by the pussy"?

Have you followed what the Senate and House want to do to Planned Parenthood? The laws at the state level regarding abortion? Several states have taken Trump's election as a cue to curtail or even eliminate a women's right to choose (or not) an abortion. His election is the catalyst, or the straw that broke the camel's back, etc.
c wilmot

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:50pm PT
The "pussyhats" would indicate a protest against his comment. I also saw few people protesting the house m, senate or various states.
I did see people protest trump who has no background in the house, senate or state gov






Degaine

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:54pm PT
c wilmot wrote:
And yes I agree our policy's go back some time. However trump had no part of it. Hillary on the other hand?

Who wrote anything about Trump having a part in it? The problem is that you're purposely picking a start date on the timeline to criticize what you consider the "other team" (like most who have been successfully indoctrinated by private power, so not your fault per se), and fail to recognize the disastrous US policy since the end of WWII - disastrous both for the Middle East and subsequently for us.

c wilmot wrote:
Edit- the solution is to not have invaded a sovereign nation while supporting the terrorist groups behind the chaos.

Yes, I agree, we should not have invaded Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003. But we also should never have supported the brutal Saudi regime, which probably would have fallen long ago without our help.

c wilmot wrote:
It's been a predictable disastor.
It's too bad so many are worried about Syrian refugees rather than our policy's that displaced them.

Yes the outcome of invading Iraq was a predictable disaster, one that Karl Baba, DMT, myself and many others predicted.

If you're so worried about women's rights, why aren't you protesting US support of brutal regimes like Saudi Arabia?
c wilmot

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 12:56pm PT
The conflict in Syria has little to do with Iraq or Afghanistan, as Obama openly said Assad "must go". And supporting "rebel" groups that are often affiliated with al qaeda would be a bizarre result of our previous engagements there.. But thats to completely digress.

Edit- I do. Saudia araba wants Assad out of power.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jan 22, 2017 - 01:00pm PT
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It's great we can still protest in such a manner but i feel the anger is seriously misdirected.
That's rich..
No arrests ..>Peaceful protests across the U.S. and the world.

right...our anger was misdirected...pppffff
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Video of march in Seattle..175,000
http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattle/live-blog-thousands-expected-for-seattle-womxns-march/389577697?C=m






Degaine

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 01:02pm PT
Syria has everything to do with Iraq, and it also is linked to failed US policy with regard Russia since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War.

Just ask the Kurds and Pussy Riot.

Edit to add: Al Qaeda was our ally, or at least its original form was a useful tool for us, before they weren't. In any case, the US and the west created Al Qaeda.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 22, 2017 - 01:04pm PT
Why can't leftist slobs ever pick up after themselves?

Degaine

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 01:09pm PT
sycorax wrote:
I marched in San Jose yesterday because we can have a black president, but can't bear to have a female one. Other countries have women at the helm, but ours continues to be ruled by fat white men.

Yeah, Pakistan, which most Americans consider to be a backwards country, beat us to the punch a long time ago.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 01:41pm PT
Tgt is just jealous. Few like his chosen bigot.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jan 22, 2017 - 01:50pm PT
I read a fascinating study that claimed 100% of people marching for the right to choose were not aborted by their parents.

Ironic
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2017 - 02:19pm PT
For the people who are disparaging the participants, well let's just say it's telling.
Degaine

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 02:19pm PT
To the poster impersonating Philo, your question already received an answer upthread.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 22, 2017 - 02:23pm PT
Where did women's rights go that they have to be protesting? There has been a liberal in the WH for 8 years. Did HE bring down women's rights? Are you protesting Trump's treatment of women? If so, why weren't you hypocrites protesting Slick Willie? What a bunch of 'tards all of you are.


go get my slippers and don't burn the steak!
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 22, 2017 - 02:37pm PT
for all Slick Willie's shortcomings, I don't recall him threatening to defund Planned Parenthood or outlaw abortion.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jan 22, 2017 - 02:45pm PT
A century ago, and more, women were marching, and sometimes dying, for the rights to vote and hold office, and for other basic rights - clean water, clean air, decent housing, good schools, education, control of their fertility, basic healthcare, to work, and to be members of professions. Some of them were called suffragettes. Most were in western Europe and North America, but not all. And the fight for women's rights cut across party lines as they then were.

Anyone thinking that the millions who marched yesterday in hundreds of cities around the world were all radical feminists (whatever that is), or all liberals, ought to think again. They were all marching to show their support for women's rights, indeed all human rights. Many also to show their opposition to President* Trump and his administration, although for those marching outside the USA, that's somewhat symbolic. Probably many were pro-choice, but that can hardly be described as pro-abortion. Some may have been marching in support of less mainstream causes, as is often the case - democracy isn't always tidy.

We can only hope that the marchers turn their energy over the next two and four years toward actually causing change. Certainly President* Trump's administration seems likely to implode, but they still need to regain control of state governments, congress, the senate, and ultimately the presidency (Trump or Pence) in the next four years. That's going to take a lot of work.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jan 22, 2017 - 03:00pm PT
I like peaceful protests, whether I agree with them or not. It's cool to see people legally promoting what they believe in without hurting anyone.

But, when the organizers took "New Wave Feminists" off of their sponsor list I pretty much lost interest. It's a group that supports all the same ideas except they are pro life and that got them booted.

Glad to hear it was a positive atmosphere from those who participated and there were some really funny signs.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 22, 2017 - 03:07pm PT
Rallying and making funny signs is easy; winning real power in American politics is not. If they'd all worked and voted for Hillary, Trump wouldn't be sitting in the White House.

But the future...now's not the time for self-congratulatory complacency.

blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 22, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
I marched in San Jose yesterday because we can have a black president, but can't bear to have a female one. Other countries have women at the helm, but ours continues to be ruled by fat white men.

Yeah, Pakistan, which most Americans consider to be a backwards country, beat us to the punch a long time ago.

Yeah, Pakistan got a woman in who was the daughter of the former prime minister.

Putting the children/spouses of former leaders "at the helm" is a great idea and sign of progressive governance. Backward countries never do things like that.
It worked great with the Bushes so it would have worked just as well with the Clintons, if not better.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 22, 2017 - 03:33pm PT
Wade Icey posted a photo of an open pit coal (not Cu) mine in Mongolia ^^^
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jan 22, 2017 - 03:34pm PT
But, when the organizers took "New Wave Feminists" off of their sponsor list I pretty much lost interest. It's a group that supports all the same ideas except they are pro life and that got them booted.

Does your church welcome Planned Parenthood to its events?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jan 22, 2017 - 03:48pm PT
Whether or not organizations that called themselves "pro life" were welcome at marches yesterday, a fair number of those who marched were probably both "pro life" and "pro choice". As with so many other issues that can be presented as divisively blue/red (i.e. purple), to some it's not so clear cut.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 22, 2017 - 04:31pm PT
Edit- the solution is to not have invaded a sovereign nation while supporting the terrorist groups behind the chaos.

It's been a predictable disastor.
It's too bad so many are worried about Syrian refugees rather than our policy's that displaced them.

We didn't invade Syria.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 22, 2017 - 04:34pm PT
Where did women's rights go that they have to be protesting? There has been a liberal in the WH for 8 years. Did HE bring down women's rights? Are you protesting Trump's treatment of women? If so, why weren't you hypocrites protesting Slick Willie? What a bunch of 'tards all of you are.

Philo, you have to pay attention.

There is a coordinated effort by the Right, to continue to attack abortion AND BIRTH CONTROL, state by state. Rowe is in the target zone, and is likely to fall. Trump has specifically stated that opposition to Rowe is a litmus test for his SC candidates.

Women, when told that they will be denied the right to obtain birth control, get pretty upset. Forcing them into unwanted pregnancies is roughly equivalent to being forced into slavery.

You may happily submit to slavery, most would not.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jan 22, 2017 - 04:40pm PT
Does your church welcome Planned Parenthood to its events?
I don't know. My point was just that the organizers website has "diversity" and women's rights splashed all over it, which is great, but when I heard they booted New Wave Feminism it sounded more like deversity of everything except thought. The freedom to agree or be an outcast, if you will. No big deal, that's their right, I just don't agree so I didn't feel aligned with a main motivation for the march.

Whether or not organizations that called themselves "pro life" were welcome at marches yesterday, a fair number of those who marched were probably both "pro life" and "pro choice". As with so many other issues that can be presented as divisively blue/red (i.e. purple), to some it's not so clear cut.
True, I had several friends who are pro-life march yesterday and I'm happy for them. I just did a fair amount of research first and decided not to.

Women, when told that they will be denied the right to obtain birth control, get pretty upset. Forcing them into unwanted pregnancies is roughly equivalent to being forced into slavery.
I am very opposed to abortions but don't have a problem with access to birth control, though the premise behind statements like this seems to assume that birth control is the only way to avoid getting pregnant.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jan 22, 2017 - 05:14pm PT
I don't judge, hope you're doing well. I have no way of knowing what it's like to make that decision. We disagree and we're talking about it, I like that we can do that.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jan 22, 2017 - 05:30pm PT
Not to be an azz.

But what comes next after the pink hats, the nifty signs and the Facebook update?

I fear that like too many of the recent so called movements, this one too will fade with the next episode of Kardashians.

I hope the generation of 20 second attention spans doesn't let this issue become just another one Twitter wonder.

Too much is at stake.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
Classy
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jan 22, 2017 - 05:56pm PT
Like the NPR sound clip where a marcher described herself as an "activist lesbian social worker from Portland".

The extent of modern day Tribalism is astounding to me.

Little wonder the world is conflicted.
c wilmot

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 06:00pm PT
Causeheads. They find a world threatning issue and stick with it for about a week
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 22, 2017 - 06:05pm PT
What's your cause, wilmot? Whatever it is it's not clear. Do you a stand on anything? Who's your president? I assume you're not a p***^y grabber. Who should lead the nation? I'm serious. Let's hear you sell a person. Who is it?
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 06:11pm PT
...seems to assume that birth control is the only way to avoid getting pregnant

Well, there are infertile women who haven't got the funds or insurance to cover IVF, and lesbian sex, but other than that I can only think of abstinence. Please tell me that abstinence wasn't what you were alluding to.
c wilmot

climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 06:12pm PT
As a student of PCU my cause is to humorously awaken people

That's not a protest. Its a cry for help
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Kelly Morgan, Whitefish MT
Jan 22, 2017 - 06:21pm PT
Not to be an azz.

Haha, is that why your comment is dripping with snarkiness and condescension?
Norton

Social climber
Jan 22, 2017 - 06:56pm PT
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jan 22, 2017 - 07:07pm PT
Because Chewybacca I work in the industry that distracts and disarms the populace through the magic of flickering images on a screen.

The average attention span in this country is astounding in it's brevity.

If this movement is still on the first five pages of Google in a week would be a recent record.
Omot

Trad climber
The here and now
Jan 22, 2017 - 07:26pm PT
I was at the SF march with my wife. Vibe was celebratory with a message of love...well, except those directed at Trump.

And for you Trump supporters, understand while policy differences are one thing, he comes across like he's going to shove these policies down our throats. He displays a complete disregard for removing conflicts of interest, has not released his taxes, he lies incessantly, and his disparaging remarks, directed at so many lower in power than he, is a real issue for many of us. He really can't help but be polarizing given this behavior. So while he's pandering to his base, he's also pissing people off. Pissing people off is not usually the best way to get people to buy into one's policies or vision. He's on a short fuse here, as these marches on his Day 1 indicate. My wife and I are busy with work and raising kids, never active before, but that's changed starting yesterday. The resistance has begun.

Tomo









crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Jan 22, 2017 - 08:13pm PT
Wow, just wow. It's amazing how far up your a*#es some of your heads are. Broads? 'Tards? This is the exact contempt and disrespect that millions of people around the world spoke out against yesterday. Maybe if you read (if you can, seeing as several of you can't even spell or use punctuation properly) some of the "mess" that was left behind in NY you'd understand what it's about, which is not just abortion rights. As Madonna said, wake the f*ck up.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 22, 2017 - 08:21pm PT
Crusher go back to that rock you hide under..

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 23, 2017 - 05:50am PT

Seems to me there's a lot of Trump voters commenting here. . .


sad.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 23, 2017 - 06:16am PT
Sore winners.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 23, 2017 - 07:07am PT
So f*#king what? I personally know several people who flew to Washington from California on their own dime.

Here's an alternative headline (since alternative facts are in vogue in right wing circles):

Bigoted narcissistic billionaire Donald trump has ties to two hundred thousand zombies who spent Friday morning licking his feet in D.C.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 23, 2017 - 08:02am PT
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drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 23, 2017 - 08:05am PT
An Islamic liberal feminist that voted for Trump.
Ok.

Perhaps she should focus her energies inward.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 23, 2017 - 08:07am PT
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Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Jan 23, 2017 - 08:44am PT
I am confused.
Naitch:

Marched with wife, daughter and friends yesterday in DC. Totally amazing event. The uplifting vibe, positiveness (except as noted in relation to Trump), well organized, peacful, and empowering.

At the same time other sources show different images.
Did it happen in the same DC in the same US of A?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHH8F4HpGPs&feature=player_embedded:
[Click to View YouTube Video]

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 23, 2017 - 08:48am PT
"snapper day, not sausage day."

Sycorax just won me over.

Edit: yury, you're confused between inauguration day protest and women's march. Different days.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 23, 2017 - 08:53am PT
I am confused.

You are, Yury. That was from Friday, the inauguration celebration of Trump.

It was NOT the peaceful Women's March, which was the next day.
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Jan 23, 2017 - 09:17am PT
My greatest concern right now is that Trump may continue using Obama's "My way or highway" approach when dealing with opposition in parliament.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jan 23, 2017 - 09:20am PT
I have a sincere question for pro-lifers, because I can understand the viewpoint that abortion is murder if you consider life sacrosanct at the moment of conception. The challenge for me is, why force babies into a world where their parents don't want them, and where you can't really enforce that women who don't want to be mothers will take care of their bodies and ensure reasonable health of the fetus during gestation? Are you going to create prison camps for pregnant women to make sure they don't abuse their pre-born babies? What about the psychological impact this has on them, and how that translates to the physical chemical environment for the developing baby?

I understand the desire to not throw away a sacred life, and I expect that most people who get abortions do indeed view life sacredly and they agonize over the decision. But I just don't see any morality system in which a possible future life has rights that supersede the person who must perform work to ensure that future possibility, both during pregnancy (and if they don't surrender the baby for adoption) for the next 18+ years.

The only scenario in which I can see a baby having more rights than the mother is when it is a religious decision born of a long-term numerical strategy game, to reproduce faster than competing religions to have more soldiers for world domination.

I don't have rabid feelings for pro-life people, just trying to plainly make my case from a position of logic. Think about he impact on societal health when more unwanted children are brought into this world. Children ARE sacred, and if you believe in spirits, they should have opportunity to return to a body in a world that wants them, rather than living through a hell on earth created by religious people "trying to do the right thing." To me, enabling abortion is a more compassionate choice for baby and mother.

This is all aside from the balance of power between men and women, and the inability to hold men to the same level of accountability that women will be held to.
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Jan 23, 2017 - 09:41am PT
FEMEN movement (barenaked ladies protesting to promote a good cause)
stopped protesting because they ran out of money:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femen
https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/352803-femen-prekratili-suschestvovanie


Shame on the President Trump for not preserving such a nice show!

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 23, 2017 - 10:07am PT
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jan 23, 2017 - 10:19am PT
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FAKE Philo, Have the testiculos, conviction to post under your real name.
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Yury, Those first photos are NOT from the~ Woman's March on Washington.. .. ..and those above women who ran out of money are not from any U.S marches either...

ps,Anarchist were the people destroying property on >inauguration day, i hope they got arrested.. . Anarchist are despicable..


Edit:This to go along with Nutjobs words..

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 23, 2017 - 10:37am PT
Here's a couple big womens marches to google:

Women's march Tehran
Women's march Bahgdad
Women's march Cairo
Women's march Islamabad
Women's march Istanbul
Women's march Damascus
Women's march Moscow

.....
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jan 23, 2017 - 11:36am PT
To respond to NutAgain and nita, as a pro-life person, and not speaking on behalf of anyone else.

I agree that anyone who is "pro-birth" should back that up with supporting moms and any babies put up for adoption. You're idea that if you are opposed to abortion you should invest as much or more energy into supporting those babies that were not aborted is right on.

I'm simply pro-life because I think human life is sacred and I can't come up with any logical starting point for that other than conception. I'd rather not try to get as close as possible to the edge without crossing it, so to speak.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jan 23, 2017 - 11:49am PT
Just saw that the next March will be on April 15th, as a "request" that Trump release his tax files.

So, Ricky, I don't think this "movement" has been flushed of the system.

As for "pro-life," many of the people who say "pro-life" are BRUTALLY against those who HAVE been born into unstable circumstances. It seems that one deserves the right to be born right up to the moment they emerge from the womb and then they're on their own.

Pro-Life, for the LAWMAKERS, is about keeping women in a place of servitude and vulnerability. It is about keeping men without means chained to shitty jobs to support children. Slaveholders had to house and feed their slaves, at least at SOME level. Out GOP doesn't even want to do that. And - ready for the Hitler insert? Well, of course you are. The Nazi concept was to slave the people to death. The GOP way is no different, but seems to enjoy a sadistic approach by drawing it out over generations.

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 23, 2017 - 11:51am PT
Why is it that people who oppose abortion favor the death penalty?
Must be a conservative thing.
hamersorethumb

Trad climber
Menlo Park, CA
Jan 23, 2017 - 12:56pm PT
Thank you to all those who marched and those who supported them. We fight against a very real threat of tyranny.

"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."

Thomas Paine
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 23, 2017 - 01:12pm PT
Why do people that favor abortion on demand use the same arguments that Democrats used once upon a time to justify slavery?

quit trying to justify your love of slavery. if lynching were legal, you would be carrying the rope.
you are a racist, and Woody is rolling over in his grave.

Edit: thanks for your posts sycorax.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 23, 2017 - 01:19pm PT
Why do people that favor abortion on demand use the same arguments that Democrats used once upon a time to justify slavery



Why did modern day republicans like you vote for a racist president whose own campaign manager created a safe space for nazis?

Why won't most African Americans touch that d#@&%ebag you voted for with a 10 foot pole, or grab his pussy, for that matter?

You voted for a bigot. That's on you now.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 23, 2017 - 01:56pm PT
Why is it that people who oppose abortion favor the death penalty?

Stupid question.

How many horrific crimes as an unborn baby committed, other than being conceived of course?

Right. It's about who deserves to be killed.

Unborn innocent child?

Brutal serial killer?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 23, 2017 - 02:03pm PT
Why do people that favor making abortion illegal use the same arguments that Conservatives used once upon a time to justify slavery?

I guess they think a women's body is the property of the slave owner.

Liberal = liberty = freedom for all from repression and Oppression by the Government or any other source (Corporations)

Conservative = desires oppression of others that are deemed to require repression (ie; women)
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jan 23, 2017 - 04:36pm PT
Why abortion?

Because women DIE when they haven't the option to terminate pregnancy.

Without adequate birth control, a woman who becomes sexually active at around 21 years of age can have eight, ten, twelve OR MORE births(and numerous more pregnancies that spontaneously abort) before she reaches the Thank God Ledge of menopause. You know what happens to a body that goes through pregnancy time and time again, with little room to recoup in between bouts? Or to a woman's mind, forced to withstand year after year after year of baby-bearing? To a marriage under the stress of financial pressure to support children in some plausible manner?

You may not care, but I saw it firsthand, being the fourth of eight children born within eight years, plus one miscarriage for my mother along the way. My older brother was 51 weeks older than I, and my next born sister 14 months, one week younger.

One month after having her eight child, at the age of thirty-six, she had a heart attack . It was directly related to the stress of year after year of pregnancy and childbirth. She nearly died. I remember the day of panic in the house. At four years old I was told "Go to Mrs. Kurth's house." She was our next door neighbor, an eight of a mile away. I watched my parents drive off with no further information, and I sat at the boundary of our yard, afraid to walk into a land I had never ventured, unsure whether Mrs. Kurth was even expecting me, or whether my arrival would be welcome.

She came back home several weeks later, and we were told "Mom needs to rest; you need to be quiet and not bother her."

As she regained her physical strength, the emotional toll began to show, and so she went to the doctor for advise. He told her to get a tank of Guppy fish, because watching them would be soothing.

When she reported back that it didn't seem to be working, he prescribed Valium, and thus began a years long life of addiction.

He also told her that under no circumstances should she become pregnant again, because she would almost certainly not survive.

My father was Catholic, my mother a converted Pretestent. The had to go to the parish priest and ASK if it was okay to use birth control. he denied her that reprieve.

F*#K YOU, people who are SO DAMNED pro-life that you can't have mercy for those already living and in fear for their lives, their futures, and the futures of those they love. F*#K you.




It was not so many years ago that men had to be held legally liable to support the children they fathered; they were so willing to walk away and not look back at real live, innocent children.

No. We are NOT going to accept backstepping into slavery. I am one of the lucky ones. I never had to make the decision on abortion. But I have sat with women who went through the procedure, and have had my shoulder cried on decades later by women still in mourning.

NO.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 23, 2017 - 05:03pm PT
powerful post Happiegrrrl2...thanks for sharing your life experiences and perspective.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 23, 2017 - 05:13pm PT
Thanks sycorax and Happie, good stuff.

Now if you could just quiet down and let the men decide what's good for you..


Best alternative fact I read today: The women's marches were only because they had all booked rooms far in advance, in anticipation of Hillary's victory. It wasn't until after the election that they all decided to keep their rooms and organize a protest.

So it was all just a hotel reservation thing. Simple eh?
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2017 - 05:15pm PT
Most Pro lifers *believe* the souls enters at conception, so I can understand how they want to protect it.

But In America we have freedom. I don't believe the soul enters at conception. If there was any real evidence of this I would. So a zygote or embryo is not an "child" to me and many woman who want the freedom to make their own choices about their bodies and reproductive rights.

Pro lifers are trying to impose their religious beliefs on others. And that doesn't fly with millions of people.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 23, 2017 - 05:39pm PT
I don't believe the soul enters at conception. If there was any real evidence of this I would.

As a secular humanist who does not believe that the body and soul can exist one without the other - a basic tenet of religions - I'll agree with you. But your point begs some questions which we cannot avoid.

How long after our cells begin to differentiate does the growing body begin to develop awareness? I'll argue that it is awareness which gives birth to the soul, the consciousness of a living being.

So if we're willing to consider this idea, and do away with the ridiculous notion that the baby is not a living organism with awareness and soul until the exact moment of birth, then we must decide: At what point during the development of the fetus does it become aware. From an entirely non-religious perspective I think that is the time when the fetus cannot morally be destroyed, other than under various sets of special circumstances. Risk to the mother (really a personal decision of the parents. Some mother's would willingly die to give birth to a healthy child). Gross deformity.

So if we posit that there is a point when the fetus becomes alive, it becomes critical, from a moral standpoint to abort the pregnancy before that time.

Question. Typically, how long after conception is it before a woman who's paying attention will realize she is probably pregnant?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 23, 2017 - 06:10pm PT
Ksolem, I believe VERY FEW, would argue the moment of birth as a starting point.
That's why there has been such a fight over first trimester, second, etc.
But a woman's right to choose must be protected.
cat t.

climber
california
Jan 23, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
There is a coordinated effort by the Right, to continue to attack abortion AND BIRTH CONTROL, state by state.

Pro-Life, for the LAWMAKERS, is about keeping women in a place of servitude and vulnerability. It is about keeping men without means chained to shitty jobs to support children.

When lawmakers who cater to the pro-life demographic are trying to actively prevent women from obtaining birth control--which they are--I don't know how it's possible for people to remain convinced that those legislators care about life. If they're trying to keep women from obtaining birth control (which lowers abortion rates), their objective can only be to take away women's freedoms...
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jan 23, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
When I was in Catholic grade school(1968-76), we were taught that when the woman feels the "quickening," that is due to the soul uniting with the body. Quickening means the woman is able to perceive what is described as fluttering sensations, to fetus has begun to have some motion, within her body.

This was taught to us as being THE miracle of life, when God matched a soul with a body. Babies that were spontaneously aborted before the quickening didn't receive the same chance at Heaven as a baby born and Christened. They were to be left forever wandering Limbo, neither Heaven nor Hell. Heck - a baby who died before they were Christened didn't even count as "fully worthy" of Heaven as one who had the sacrament performed upon them.

If we're going to have to go with "at conception," then why the push to disallow a woman's choice to disallow conception, and why isn't there a brouhaha brewing to make vasectomies illegal????

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jan 23, 2017 - 07:13pm PT
Sounds like you have a problem with religion and lack of "adequate birth control". Tell the religion that denied your mother birth control to take a hike, don't blame the unborn child for the failings of a religious institution.

I am a Christian, Fake Philo. I follow CHRIST'S suggestions, not those made by men seeking control over the masses to get the "Trickle Up" siphon started. And what on Earth besides "take a hike" do you think we Pro-Choicers ARE telling those religions and the politicians who are SELLING OUT the women of the world for their support????

WHEN did I "blame" any fetus? Screw you, bucko.
Mike Honcho

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Jan 23, 2017 - 07:17pm PT
Yesterday at 5:36am Brandon was HILARIOUS!!! all else being merely games..
http://kathrineswitzer.com/site/wp-content/uploads/SwitzerStory_RunnersWorld.pdf
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2017 - 11:58pm PT
Ksolem thoughtful post. Thanks.

Awareness is an interesting criteria I hadn't thought about. Awareness also leads to the possibility of suffering. Which of course should be avoided.

A criteria also used is viability outside the womb. I think of course, unless of special circumstances like the mothers life is in jeopardy, a viable fetus should be protected. I have no problem calling him/her at that stage an unborn child.

But an embryo is not a child to me. And calling it as such is an attempt to manipulate.

I don't know exactly where the cut off should be legally.

I think many women nowadays are aware of their pregnancy after 6-8 weeks when they miss their period and take a pregnancy test.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jan 24, 2017 - 08:29am PT
I think of course, unless of special circumstances like the mothers life is in jeopardy, a viable fetus should be protected. I have no problem calling him/her at that stage an unborn child.

This is a feeling that I am almost certain the majority of people who are not mentally ill would share.

So - without searching for information - ask yourself this question: At what week in a pregnancy do I think that viability might occur? Make a note of your thought, and then, click below:






https://www.reference.com/health/can-5-month-old-fetus-survive-outside-womb-c82c3442d96b69b3


And then, consider what the circumstances tend to REALLY BE with late term abortions.
http://www.livescience.com/56570-late-term-abortions-presidential-debate.html

and this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2016/10/20/no-late-term-abortions-dont-rip-babies-out-of-wombs-but-they-are-needed/#635fc7d31bc4

The Abortion Abolitionist movement(whis IS alive and well, or sick, really) would have us believe that women are willy-nilly procrastinating about aborting fetus' at six months and more, simply becaue they have decided they don't want a baby, after all. THIS IS A LIE.

My sister in law delivered a baby, very much wanted, when it was on the cusp of viability. The chances for survival were really low, and luckily my brother worked at Kohler Company which had such good insurance that he paid ten dollars for the four days of neonatal intensive care their son endured before he was allowed to pass away. Truthfully, he would have died very soon after being delivered, had it not been for medicine's ability to "play God."

Oh, how my sister-in-law suffered, holding on to such a slim thread of hope as she watched her tiny infant in his incubator. I will NEVER forget the look of anguish on my brother's face, as he came out of the church at funeral, carrying that wee little casket.

They did not know there was a problem which made the early labor begin. The spontaneous, late-term abortion came - perhaps mercifully - for them, without their having to be placed in the position of making the decision that others are faced with. But of course later, when the doctors told them of the impossibility for the baby to survive, they were faced with the decision, and it was perhpas what the true definition of being in Hell really is. Mercifully(again, that word...) a family who has never seen the baby suffering for days after delivery is spared at least THAT. I visited that baby in hospital. His delicate, unready for life outside the womb, stomach lining was shreaded from the caustic drugs which were "keeping him alive." It was clear that he was in despair. I am crying as I write of this recollection.

That baby has a memorial. A weeping angel sits at the head of his grave, which his mother regulaly visits, twenty-something years later. ALL PEOPLE who have to make that wrenching decision to abort late term consider it a horrible positon to endure, and also grieve the loss of their child. I don't know, but I don't doubt a good number of them have held funerals and, just as my sister-in-law and brother do, consider that chld to be just that, a child, which has died.

SHAME ON THOSE WHO TWIST THIS LOSS INTO, TO USE A WORD DU JOUR, AN "ALTERNATIVE FACT." SHAME! And since they almost certainly believ in a day of judgement at life's end, I hope that God sets them straight on the actual facts of life.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 24, 2017 - 09:33am PT
So it was all just a hotel reservation thing. Simple eh?


So explain all the cities other than Wa, DC, where marches occurred.
TacomaDome

Trad climber
Tacoma, WA
Jan 24, 2017 - 01:37pm PT
I heard that Donna Hylton (Hilton) was a speaker at the Women's March on Washington. It is pretty disturbing that this woman is given a voice, considering her past. Why would a group that is opposed to abuse, sexual or otherwise, allow this woman to speak at their event?

For those that don't know, Donna Hylton (she changed her name from Hilton) was convicted of kidnapping, torturing, and murdering a man after luring him into a pre-prepared torture room. For up to 20 days Donna and her friends tortured this man before killing him, at one point shoving a 3-foot long metal pipe up his ass.

"Vigliarole believed the three girls were prostitutes who were going to have sex with him. Instead, they picked him up on March 8 in Elmhurst, Queens, at Maria's home, and drugged him to make him drowsy. Then they drove him to Selma's apartment in Harlem. The apartment had already been prepared for an extended torture session: The closet door had been cut, a pot put in it for use as a toilet, the windows boarded.

For the next 15 to 20 days (police aren't sure just when Vigliarole died), the man was starved, burned, beaten, and tortured. (Even 10 years later, Spurling could recall Rita's chilling response when they questioned her about shoving a three-foot metal bar up Vigliarole's rear: "He was a homo anyway." How did she know? "When I stuck the bar up his rectum he wiggled.")

Spurling himself interviewed Donna: "I couldn't believe this girl who was so intelligent and nice-looking could be so unemotional about what she was telling me she and her friends had done. They'd squeezed the victim's testicles with a pair of pliers, beat him, burned him. Actually, I thought the judge's sentence was lenient. Once a jailbird, always a jailbird.""
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199507/crime-and-punishment
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jan 24, 2017 - 04:35pm PT
+6,666 sycorax!













tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 24, 2017 - 08:41pm PT
following up on what sycorax posted ^^^ about Madres del la Plaza del Mayo is the powerful Argentine film La Historia Oficial directed by Luis Puenzo that won the oscar for Best Foreign Language Film that year...
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Here we see Henry Kissinger meeting with Jorge Videla, Argentine dictator who was largely responsible for the Dirty Wars and "Los Desaparecidos"

Newly-declassified documents reveal that former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger hampered efforts to stop mass killings of dissidents by Argentina’s 1976-83 military dictatorship.

Kissinger hailed the military rulers for the country’s "campaign against terrorism," which included the imprisonment, torture, and killings of tens of thousands of leftist activists and students.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/08/10/479341/Kissinger-Argentina-military-dictator


For more on this topic, read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine"
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 25, 2017 - 08:16am PT
Bump for the ladies.

We need you now more than ever.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 25, 2017 - 08:21am PT
There's another sonofabitch, Henry Kissinger.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 26, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
He might be an SOB, but when Andropov held the levers of power in the USSR, Kissinger working with Dobrinyn probably saved us from incineration. The history surrounding Andropov's rise to power via his position as head of the KGB (sound familiar?) and Kissingers hard fought battles with the joint chiefs as to how far he could go in negotiations is worth reading. Soviet leadership mostly thought that nuclear war was not if, but when. Kissinger and Dobrinyn fed info to the Soviet military leaders which led them to support Brezshnev, a man who both men thought was reasonable enough to avoid war.

If you are interested in how this all ended up, google Rekjavik Briefing Papers, memos prepared by then Sec State George Shultz for Reagan in his disarmament meetings with Gorbachev.

Sorry, way ot. But Kissinger being an SOB is not so simple...
TWP

Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
Jan 27, 2017 - 11:39am PT
Returning to topic:


Judi and I attended the Bend Oregon March.

The weather was cold and nasty, the streets covered with ice and packed snow, the route of the march was the same, the march began in a park filled with snow.

I expected a small crowd - say under 100.

Boy was I surprised.

The real number was about 5,000 according to local media coverage. http://www.ktvz.com/news/thousands-march-in-bend-to-protest-trump-policies/284779764

The population of Bend = 81,000 and Deschutes County = 165,000.

Great creativity in the protest signs. Overall, I can't image a happier, more positive bunch of protest marchers.




survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 27, 2017 - 11:44am PT
Trump's crowds were way yuuger.

Oh wait, those ARE Trump's crowds, just not in the way he likes.

Carry on.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 27, 2017 - 11:46am PT
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 27, 2017 - 11:58am PT
TGT2
Just to clarify, if the muslim girl or woman you are using to mock your political opponents wanted to claim refugee status, your guy currently wouldn't allow her in. Have I got that right?
Please head back to trolling skool to bone up on the logic bit, the fun of taking on characters like you is tiresome as best.
FREE LOIS!!!

No, you've got it very, very wrong.
The Yazidis are not Muslim.
The Trumpsters want to allow religious minorities who are facing persecution because of the religion to be able to claim refugee status.
In effect, this would allow the Yazidis and Christians (who are persecuted because of that, as so many of them are) to claim refugee status, but not Muslims.
Libs can't stand that because, oh no, Trump is being mean to the Muslims again.
But it seems consistent with the purpose of asylum, which isn't necessarily to allow every single person in a troubled land to move to the US.

yosguns

climber
Jan 27, 2017 - 03:26pm PT
Pointing out that women in the US should just be grateful for what they have is a tactic to undermine feminists' voices. It's the same as calling feminists fat, ugly man haters. It serves to undermine the cause rather than address the real issues.

Taking a stand for equality domestically doesn't minimize the significance of genocide and human rights violations abroad. Marchers at the Women's March were not marching at the expense of their attention to the atrocities committed by Daesh.

Also, the reason why women in the US enjoy the rights they do today is because, 100 years ago, 50 years ago, women and men marched and fought for those rights. The fight continues because, whether you want to believe it or not, there is still a fight to be had.

This life is not a zero-sum game. Elevating women in the US will not push women elsewhere down. Elevating women in the US will not push men down. We will all be better off; same for elevating all other marginalized populations.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Jan 27, 2017 - 03:33pm PT
^^^^^. Stated so eloquently!

Thank you!


Susan
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Jan 27, 2017 - 03:34pm PT
yosguns,

Thank you, telling it like it is.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Jan 27, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
science.sciencemag.org/content/335/6323/389/tab-pdf

Gender stereotypes about intellectual abilities emerge early and influence children's interests

"Common stereotypes associate high-level intellectual ability (brilliance, genius, etc.) with men more than women. These stereotypes discourage women's pursuit of many prestigious careers (such as physics and philosophy). Here we show that these sterotypes are endorsed by, and influence the interests of, children as young as 6."

Sure, why wait? A six year old has enough information to understand that men are smarter and better athletes (in the ways that count, like "real" climbing) than women.

So when Trump meets a ten year old girl and his immediate reaction is "I'm going to be dating her in ten years," - same old same old - that's just what a ten year old girl is worth :-(
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jan 27, 2017 - 06:43pm PT
Just to give sycorax a hand with a worthy project:

"When the earthly goods of Ivar Gjesling the Younger of Sundbu were divided up in the year 1306, his property at Sil was given to his daughter Ragnfrid and her husband Lavrans Bjørgulfsøn. Before that time they had lived at Skog, Lavrans' manor in Follo near Oslo, but now they moved to Jørundgaard, high on the open slope at Sil."

The following 1,100 pages follow in great detail the (fictional) life of their daughter, Kristin Lavransdatter, to her death in the great mortality of 1348/49 CE, and almost entirely from her perspective. Written by a woman, too - Sigrid Undset. For which she won the Nobel Prize in Literature.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 27, 2017 - 06:50pm PT
Tgt, what's wrong with you?
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 27, 2017 - 07:27pm PT
Also, the reason why women in the US enjoy the rights they do today is because, 100 years ago, 50 years ago, women and men marched and fought for those rights. The fight continues because, whether you want to believe it or not, there is still a fight to be had.

I for one would like to see the ERA passed here in the USA. (This is where many people tell me we do have an ERA. We do not. Look it up. Failed time and time again). Plenty left to fight for.
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