California

We suffer 'devastating' droughts, but we want to build "bullet trains" that are billions over budget, so far, and it ain't even near done yet!

But we still fail to take the logical route of building MORE F*#KING WATER STORAGE!!!!

This is actually approaching insanity.

I know, Rick. Most real Californians have fled.

I'll stay and fight as long as I can, but it's getting bad. We're losing.

The State is almost forcing out business with all the regs. It's an unfriendly State to anyone but eco-Nazis and Global Warming freaks.

Are we 'lifers' who grew up here allowed to have a voice in the future of our State? I can't speak out about my home?

Fine. My point is why aren't we doing something now? We knew the problems 25 years ago or more. We (the State) ignored the obvious problem and diverted resources to crony programs to suit legislature interests.

Not really, but that misses the mark. We are not attending to the needs of the current population.

I always have all the water I need. But the fascists in Sacramento want to penalize or TAX me for that.

Gov't is supposed to serve a LIMITED function of society's infrastructure demands. If we could do it privately, it would be chaos.

I'll refrain from calling you a "idiot"

Healthcare is NOT a function of the Federal Government, idiot! Pick up a Constitution.

If Sacramento thinks there is a water problem, why not fix it? Or quit f*#king me with threats of penalty for water usage.

The left has been indoctrinated into Global Warming bullshit where it does not exist...

There can be no agreement with forces propelling the inherently evil ideology of progressive doctrine. Down that road lies only defeat and misery of the totalitarian state. History has confirmed this over and over again throughout the 20th and into the 21st century.

California is a lost cause.

It's definitely hard to have a rational discussion when rationality itself is rejected. Denying science when it's inconvenient to your ideology is a non-starter.

...do we need more water storage?

Why have any reservoirs then, Curt?

Fill them before you build them? That's backwards, Curt.

Projected longer-term droughts and intense floods underscore the need to store more water to manage climate extremes. Here we show how depleted aquifers have been used to store water by substituting surface water use for groundwater pumpage (conjunctive use, CU) or recharging groundwater with surface water (managed aquifer recharge, MAR). Unique multi-decadal monitoring from thousands of wells and regional modeling datasets for the California Central Valley and central Arizona were used to assess CU and MAR. In addition to natural reservoir capacity related to deep water tables, historical groundwater depletion further expanded aquifer storage by ~44 km3 in the Central Valley and by ~100 km3 in Arizona, similar to or exceeding current surface reservoir capacity by up to three times. Local river water and imported surface water, transported through 100s of km of canals, is substituted for groundwater (≤15 km3 yr−1, CU) or is used to recharge groundwater (MAR, ≤1.5 km3 yr−1) during wet years shifting to mostly groundwater pumpage during droughts. In the Central Valley, CU and MAR locally reversed historically declining water-level trends, which contrasts with simulated net regional groundwater depletion. In Arizona, CU and MAR also reversed historically declining groundwater level trends in active management areas. These rising trends contrast with current declining trends in irrigated areas that lack access to surface water to support CU or MAR. Use of depleted aquifers as reservoirs could expand with winter flood irrigation or capturing flood discharges to the Pacific (0–1.6 km3 yr−1, 2000–2014) with additional infrastructure in California. Because flexibility and expanded portfolio options translate to resilience, CU and MAR enhance drought resilience through multi-year storage, complementing shorter term surface reservoir storage, and facilitating water markets.

Healthcare is NOT a function of the Federal Government, idiot! Pick up a Constitution.

One can only guess how the new gop became synonymous with fact-free belief systems; but the best guess is once you move a base to being fact-free you can easily be manipulated with manufactured indignation and outrage and thus much, much easier to control as we've just witnessed in both the election and this thread.

"promote the general welfare" of the citizenry.

There is no good greater than the Public Health.

dirtbag:
They are idiots. Willfully ignorant idiots. There is no polite way to describe them.

No, you cannot discuss anything with them. You have to defeat them.

You cannot fairly conflate "public health" with publicly-supported health-insurance. The former doesn't imply the latter, and the latter doesn't even obviously contribute to the former.

The founders did not intend by that phrase what liberals now interpret it to mean.

Typical frustrated liberal response.

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself – that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.

I think California’s doing just fine… we are the number one economy in the U.S. We are an economy larger than that of Russia as well as France and a number of other European countries.

Look, I know you're not even remotely interested in facts, but you're ignoring every major study done to date on this subject.

Look, I know you're not even remotely interested in reading comprehension, but you're ignoring every major word I wrote on the subject.

"Public health insurance" is not "single-payer." Obamacare had NOTHING to do with single-payer; it was lobbied for and achieved by the insurance companies to produce for themselves a "captive audience," just as car-insurance companies enjoy. Obamacare "reformed" nothing and was not about the "public welfare" or "public health."

Nothing about Obamacare was a "step in the direction" of single-payer. The two approaches are apples-and-giraffes.

Also, single payer healthcare would relieve all of corporate America of a big cost to them. This in fact is one of the *benefits* of single payer.

what do you think that problem is?

The linked hydro-economic model is used to simulate the effects of several drought
scenarios on Central Valley’s agriculture and the groundwater resources. The drought
scenarios are constructed as surface flow reductions that range from 30% to 70% for
periods spanning from 10 to 60 years, with a 10-year spin-up and a 30-year recovery.
The main finding is that Central Valley agriculture as a whole is resilient to severe drought.

Despite an almost 40% cut in surface water deliveries for irrigation, the region
suffers only a 10% cut in irrigated crop acres. However, after 60 critically dry years in a
row, the linked model suggests that there will be regional impacts, including moderate
impacts in the north Central Valley (Sacramento River Basin), locally severe in the middle of the Valley (San Joaquin River Basin), and severe in the south (Tulare Basin). The model runs indicate that extensive pumping during such a drought can cause permanent subsidence and may lead to new equilibrium groundwater levels.

I paid $10k this month in taxes for a company that nets less than $40k annually.

I paid $10k this month in taxes for a company that nets less than $40k annually.
This is the real reas

That's on you, dude. You have a poor business plan.

That's on you, dude. You have a poor business plan.

"That's on you, dude. You have a poor business plan. "

Then why are you bitching about your tax rate?

I always have all the water I need. But the fascists in Sacramento want to penalize or TAX me for that.

^^^ whoever the f*#k you are you seem to have little understanding of tax codes.
Having a successful small business in California isn't done through ignorance.

You don't think tax payer healthcare subsidies relieve industrialists like Walmart from paying the true cost of their workers, enabling them to pocket the difference?

Actually I have a California C corp, live in a 4 million dollar house that over looks the Pacific and have been in business for over 20 years.

10b4me said:
"That's on you, dude. You have a poor business plan. "
^^ This fella sounds like he's worked in government all of his life.

We actually hired Eric Holder .....

My 'Poor business plans' have bought us three homes and supported a family of 6 comfortably over the last decade.
You?

My 'Poor business plans' have bought us three homes and supported a family of 6 comfortably over the last decade.
You?

Not on 40k/yr you didn't.

Naw, bluering is a Californian. He pays his taxes, has a job and a family to support. He's just giving us his POV whilst trolling us a bit. He doesn't need to live in a red state to be in the red state; just come out da Silicon Valley, out here in the redlands... its like another country or something, but still California's, Gold.

Regardless, Those that do business in this state have much greater restrictions, regulations and legislative liabilities including EDD & Payroll than any other state in the union.

Increase storage. It does not harm the environment to do that. It enhances it!

Also known as not being able to screw over employees and customers.

For sure, Gary.

DMT

Cali - #10 in education! Oops, that's 10th from the bottom.

Locker -- "I think things are fine and life is great..."

Do we want to kill some of the fertile land in the country? Drive the farmers into nowhere?

I agree they should not be subsidized, but give them the water they need. Water has become political in this State, why? It's limited!

Increase storage. It does not harm the environment to do that. It enhances it!

That is much the parents fault as it is the state's

I have a small business in California (Burbank) that does very well. Plenty of dough after taxes. Most of which goes to the Federal Governement.

Sales tax is high in most counties but sales tax is almost everywhere so don't get me started.

The business environment of SoCal/LA is excellent with low unemployment (bad for employers) real estate soaring and so much money everywhere people don't know what to do with it.

I agree they should not be subsidized, but give them the water they need.

"We are going south to Mexico, somewhere within five hours of border, sell our house here in Taos by mid-2018."

More dams would mean more water retention during wet periods. It's not a bad idea per se. It's why there has been talk of raising the Shasta lake dam for years.

Or you could grow a few less Almonds during droughts and not worry about it.

You have to remember the state of California doesn't own the water. At best we the people own some part of the conveyence like canals dams and such. But not the water in them... that water is already spoken for.

A recent study by researchers from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife found each of four watersheds in northern California – an area within the Emerald Triangle – supplies water to between 23,000 and 32,000 marijuana plants. These grows deplete each watershed by anywhere from 138,000 to 192,000 gallons per day. Researchers collected this data by accompanying law enforcement on search warrants and site inspections.

Use of excessive pesticide, herbicide and rodenticide — poison used to keep rodents away from plants — may have potentially lethal effects on wildlife.

Researchers have studied the impact of pesticides and rodenticides on wildlife, in particular the weasel-like fisher, in the Sierra National Forest along California’s eastern border.

My time coming, anyday, don't worry about me, no
Been so long I felt this way, I'm in no hurry, no
Rainbows and down that highway where ocean breezes blow
My time coming, voices saying they tell me where to go.

Don't worry about me, nah nah nah, don't worry about me, no
And I'm in no hurry, nah nah nah, I know where to go.

California, preaching on the burning shore
California, I'll be knocking on the golden door
Like an angel, standing in a shaft of light
Rising up to paradise, I know I'm gonna shine.

My time coming, any day, don't worry about me, no
It's gonna be just like they say, them voices tell me so
Seems so long I felt this way and time sure passin' slow
Still I know I lead the way, they tell me where I go.

Don't worry about me, no no no, don't worry about me, no
And I'm in no hurry, no no no, I know where to go.

California, a prophet on the burning shore
California, I'll be knocking on the golden door
Like an angel, standing in a shaft of light
Rising up to paradise, I know I'm gonna shine.

You've all been asleep, you would not believe me
Them voices tellin' me, you will soon receive me
Standin' on the beach, the sea will part before me
Fire wheel burning in the air!

You will follow me and we will ride to glory, way up, the middle of
The air!

And I'll call down thunder and speak the same and my work fills the
Sky with flame
And might and glory gonna be my name and men gonna light my way.

My time coming, any day, don't worry about me, no
It's gonna be just like they say, them voices tell me so
Seems so long I felt this way and time sure passin' slow
My time coming, any day, don't worry about me, no

Don't worry about me, no no no, don't worry about me, no
And I'm in no hurry, no no no, don't worry about me, no.

What happens when the monopoly goes away with legalization?

In Washington the cost to the consumer was cut in half post legalization...

To any hydrologists here,
Is there a reason we don't replenish existing underground aquifers using the water from intense storms?
Is it possible?

Upper Mokelumne River Watershed Authority &
the Northeastern San Joaquin County Groundwater Banking Authority
PRESS RELEASE
April 1, 2015 • For Immediate Release
Contacts: Rob Alcott for the Upper Mokelumne River Watershed Authority (707-785-1008) Brandon Nakagawa for the San Joaquin County Groundwater Basin Authority (209-953-7460)

Mokelumne Watershed Interregional Sustainability Evaluation (MokeWISE) Program
The Mokelumne Collaborative Group will host a Community Outreach Workshop on April 9
It’s your watershed, your future -- your voice matters!
In the midst of one of California’s most severe droughts on record, a diverse group of stakeholders continues to work on developing a broadly-supported water resources plan that will help us prepare for an uncertain water future. The Mokelumne Collaborative Group (MCG), made up by agencies and organizations interested in Mokelumne River watershed issues from the Sierras to the Delta, is steadily working to develop the MokeWISE water resources plan. Public input into the plan is being solicited at multiple points along the path. This is one of those junctures.
In developing the MokeWISE program the MCG is evaluating a variety of potential water supply sources including stormwater, recycled water, Mokelumne River surface water, groundwater, desalination, and conservation. To achieve an integrated and collaborative water management strategy the MCG will identify those projects and actions with the broadest support among participating stakeholders and develop a multi-regional plan to implement a preferred program. The plan will include projects and programs designed to enhance the sustainability of the Mokelumne’s water resources for present and future generations. While MokeWISE will not mitigate the current drought, it may well position regional stakeholders to better manage the consequences of future droughts.

In my neck of the woods, I'm part of a coalition that champions approaches that can be carried out by individual stakeholders on their own properties. A thousand gallons in a rainstorm captured is not a lot, but when you do it on 3 million properties, now you're talking billions of gallons. And it doesn't involve massive infrastructure, massive debt structure, massive permitting processes, or even massive tools. It pretty much takes a shovel.

"The powerful storms that soaked Northern California over the past week did more than trigger power outages, mudslides and flash floods. They sent roughly 350 billion gallons of water pouring into California’s biggest reservoirs — boosting their storage to levels not seen in years, forcing dam operators to release water to reduce flood risks and all but ending the five-year drought across much of Northern California, even though it remains in the south, experts said Monday."

The city of Tijuana, located just about 129 miles south of the border from Los Angles, has always been known as a popular weekend getaway for American college students to cut loose. But with over 900 homicides due to drug-related violence in 2016, it has been a most violent year for the more than 1.7 million residents.

when DWP calls for all of us to save water, I went and installed two low flow toilets-- the old ones were doing a great job... fixed some dripping faucets etc. Doing this caused me some unnecessary out of pocket expenses BUT it did lower the amount of water my family used.

So what did the DWP do? They raised my rates to make up for the money they lost.... to me it seams like a losing deal.

Another thing along the same lines.... WE all are driving much more fuel efficient cars and trucks. We are using less fuel overall. What does the CALIFORNIA STATE GOVERNMENT do... why they increase the car tax, increase the fuel tax and increase every other tax associated with transportation, to make up for the loss of $$$$.

I mean WTF????

I posted about this up thread...here's some more info RE your questions...

Increasing subsurface storage is the way to go but this requires interagency cooperation, water rights issues/cooperation/resolution, cost $$$, and requires infrastructure upgrades but can be done using engineered recharge basins, injection wells, infiltration galleries, long horizontal injection wells, etc...

I would start by implementing an annual 100 dollar registration fee on bicycles that are ridden on the public roads..

+1 for Kens post
My pop is a hydrologist; he constantly hammers on the need for giving tax breaks to folks investing in what Ken describes.

Is Santa Cruz part of California?

It always has. It started with theft when the Europeans showed up and has not changed since.

The food scene in LA is the best in the history of man on Earth.

The food scene in LA is the best in the history of man on Earth.

But larger reservoirs might not be of much help; with a much drier climate, there could be too little water to fill even existing storage capacity.

Reservoirs only store water, they cannot create it. No reservoir can reliably deliver more than the reservoir’s average annual inflow (minus evaporation). Enlarging a reservoir always increases water deliveries by a smaller proportion (Hazen 1914). Similarly for flood management, larger reservoirs provide more control, but with decreasing incremental effectiveness. Most easy, cheap, and effective reservoir locations in California already have reservoirs.

Ah, my Alma mater!

The biggest issue is if I put my water down it the ground my neighbor can drill down and take it. That's f*#ked up man!

I know this is going to sound crazy, but water in California for the most part is far less expensive than it is in other parts of the nation.

We do not pay by any stretch of the imagination the highest water rates out there.

Unlike most of California’s reservoirs, Sites would be off-stream and collect water from the Sacramento River via a 14-mile pipeline. Backers of the project say Sites could add 500,000 acre-feet of water to the state’s system per year, which Gallagher says is enough to serve 1.2 million families.

Assemblyman James Gallagher, R-Yuba City, is leading a troupe of lawmakers today on a tour of the Sites Reservoir, a $4.4 billion proposed water storage project four decades in the making.