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jstan
climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 25, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
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All these threads urging us to buy stuff, have to be put together by some retailing apparachik working in a bull pen. Then a name is chosen for the day's screed.
Why not Bob Splat? Then we would get something out of it all.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 25, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
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You know, John, when arguments are presented for cutting back on non-climbing threads on ST, I think of all this retailing trash that takes up so much space on page one. They are sales pitches IMHO. I prefer the politard threads over this stuff. But maybe others have opinions that differ from mine, since I don't climb anymore.
Edit: OK, so it pays the bills. I guess. Do the owners get compensated?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 25, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
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Isn't Jane Jackson Michael Jackson's sister who got pregnant at 50?
She does seem versatile!
Michael no longer climbs, but is rumored to still moonwalk.
I wonder what kind of shoes he endorses.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Nov 25, 2016 - 03:10pm PT
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I believe that this is what you are getting:
screed:
verb
1.
level (a floor or layer of concrete) with a straight edge using a back and forth motion while moving across the surface.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Nov 25, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
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But maybe others have opinions that differ from mine, since I don't climb anymore.
Say it ain't so !
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chipper_shredder
Social climber
outinthecuts
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Nov 25, 2016 - 03:45pm PT
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I used to climb..
Now I just shop, " such a rush "
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 25, 2016 - 03:53pm PT
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My wife claims, rightly so, I lack the shopping gene.
I find this criticism devastating as I regularly buy things at Walmart.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 25, 2016 - 04:19pm PT
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I actually read some of those reviews, yesterday, in fact. I find them usually fairly objective but I have taken them to task on a few, as have others. That's what pays for this freak show so if a tent review displaces yer fave bolshie politard rant just remember,
"It's the economy, stoopid!"
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Nov 25, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
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^^^^
That's what pays for this freak show so if a tent review displaces yer fave bolshie politard rant just remember...
hahahahaha...
some folks don't seem to understand the foundation that this place has now settled onto...
if it weren't for the blender reviews, i suspect mcnamara would have long ago deleted this strange city of refuge for the climbing damned...
and if he didn't do it, then spurrier would, in all likelihood, after another repeated late night barrage of emails asking him to "please delete so and so, they are being mean to me", have taken a drill to the servers that the supertopo forum is located on...
no, don't diss the product reviews...
they may very well be the only reason the lights to this place weren't flicked off long ago.
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john hansen
climber
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Nov 25, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
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Well, since John Stannard and John Gill had the first two posts on this thread and might check in here again , I thought I would take this opportunity to humbly ask them a question or two. Thread drift,,,
You are known for Foop's and the Thimble but I would be interested to know what you each think , your best, most rewarding, climbing experience was?
Perhaps the one's above?
And what was the most desperate situation you were ever in.
Never met either of you but much respect.
I notice Jane Jackson no longer seems to be with us.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 25, 2016 - 07:39pm PT
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your best, most rewarding, climbing experience was?
"Best" and "rewarding" can be interpreted in various ways. I can tell you that the very modest solo climbing I did during my 60s was the most enjoyable of my entire life.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Nov 25, 2016 - 08:27pm PT
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Jane Jackson has just climbed back up on top and I therefore surmise she exists.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 25, 2016 - 09:21pm PT
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No more so than a virtual particle, I fear.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 25, 2016 - 09:29pm PT
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^^^^ So that's how you got your start?
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jstan
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2016 - 10:24pm PT
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We have shoes to thank for DMT?
But back on topic.
1. Can't find Jane anywhere now.
2. All the gear reviews show a posting time of midnight tonight.
3. Except for a couple with Spurrier as coauthor, the reviews seem not to show authors now.
This whole thing does not mean a great deal IMHO. So I seem to be beating a dead horse. But clearly it meant something to someone. Odd. Giving due consideration to what Yvon says has always been a good option. From what I have seen picking up trash, I think Yvon is right to say we spend totally unreasonable amounts on clothes and other gear. That's all.
I'll try answering John Hansen's questions. I accept the idea that any answers I give are unremarkable. I took up climbing to find the line between what I could do and what I could not do. And because when climbing rock created by nature we are as far away as it is possible to get from being told what to do by some other human. (Please note that piton damage and bolts all tend to turn natural challenges into human directed challenges.)
Two climbing experiences I had were memorable because I succeeded where I knew I had no business succeeding.
1. Rich Goldstone and I were working on a Gill problem at the Gunks called the Whale. There was no reason for me to work on a Gill problem but Rich was there so I had to try. Beats me how I got up it.
2. After Henry gave me the three secrets to climbing O/W I tried Ahab as my first O/W. Getting up it was so unexpected I was jazzed. So jazzed Bridwell remarked, "You seem pretty excited." Never tried a second O/W because I got into something much more exciting than climbing about that time.
A story I enjoy telling........over and over again.
Several of us were walking down to Skytop when Greg Hand asked me how to do O/W. I told him Henry had given me the secret rules. I told him Henry had said:
1. Back to the ground
2. Face the offset
3. Stand up on the inside foot
Greg then asked, "John? Why is everyone laughing?"
In life one does only a few things right. Climbing was one of them.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Nov 26, 2016 - 12:18am PT
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... I regularly buy things at Walmart. Steel reserves for a dolla 25 ea.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Nov 26, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
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Jane has returned!
Unintimidated are you?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 26, 2016 - 12:33pm PT
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JJ(no relation) appears to be senior review editor at outdoorgearlab, whose founder is some guy named?
Chris
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Nov 26, 2016 - 12:38pm PT
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Jane talks, I shop. Simple.
Susan
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 26, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
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I don't know about Jane Jackson.
But it's funny you should bring this up, jstan.
Why, just the other day on The Flames, I posted this.
I know you're not doggin' me, but this is odd, nonetheless.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2607974&msg=2910242#msg2910242
Susan's a styler, you can tell. Keep it basic.
And MH, Shcrodinger's is full of schlock from China so I never shop there.
The sales people are all so catty, too.
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ryankelly
Trad climber
Bhumi
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Nov 26, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
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This appears to be attack on someone you don't know. (maybe I'm reading the tone wrong)
Why are you going after someone you don't know anything about? Someone who is a part of the climbing community.
I've often thought the multiple gear review posts are annoying, but in general the outdoor gear lab reviews are very helpful when you are in the market for new gear.
If you have a problem with the site content or style you should direct it to the managers of SuperTopo.
Don't slander someone you don't know.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Nov 26, 2016 - 04:58pm PT
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I confess to ignoring a lot on this site, and although I never participate in political or religious threads, they are easy enough to just not click. (Really, try it!)
I used to do the same with the gear reviews, mainly because I wasn't in the market for anything. After carrying 20 year old gear into Crestone Peak this summer, I vowed to update my gear and shave some serious weight, and the gear reviews were a great resource.
I was able to compare prices, weight, and key features, all with real life comments from people who actually used the gear like I want to use the gear. After consulting the gear guide I replaced my air mattress, backpack, approach shoes, rope, and stove, plus added a water filter, lightweight cup, and spork. Nine pounds off my back thanks to the gear guide, and so,far everything has lived up to the reviews.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Nov 26, 2016 - 09:17pm PT
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With all that CMAC has to put up with, and the free reign given us, I'd STFU.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Nov 26, 2016 - 09:20pm PT
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Is it that Jane disrupts our illusion of climbing purity with her insertion of crass commercialism or do you just want her to post a pic of her tits first?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 26, 2016 - 09:43pm PT
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Wtf is Jane Jackson?
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Nov 26, 2016 - 09:57pm PT
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Rich Goldstone and I were working on a Gill problem at the Gunks called the Whale. There was no reason for me to work on a Gill problem but Rich was there so I had to try. Beats me how I got up it.
I could be wrong but I think that was the Gill Egg. I don't think Gill did anything fishy in the Gunks.
What I recall about that day (or perhaps it was another day, a Whale of a day) is that John did it (the Egg not the Whale) and I could not. Had to come back, but on that day I lost it just a bit---maybe what John remembers was the Wail.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 26, 2016 - 10:08pm PT
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Could this be . . .
Renny Jackson's daughter, Jane ?
Looks plausible. If so, my apologies.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 26, 2016 - 10:53pm PT
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Jane Jackson = LEB = DMT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 26, 2016 - 11:25pm PT
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That was a good article about old man Jackson and his daughter, Gill.
I also looked up Dan Burgette, the carving ranger, on a whim.
http://burgetteart.com/
As long as we're getting all commercial here, these creations of his would make excellent gifts.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 27, 2016 - 07:49am PT
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Gear Lab, to increase it's relevance on ST, needs to look into reviewing medical aids for the infirm.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Nov 27, 2016 - 08:04am PT
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Right, like best back-country incontinence wear and climbing-signal specific hearing aids.
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fourmiletrail
climber
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Nov 27, 2016 - 06:59pm PT
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Ross Robinson Jane Jackson Hmmm ..
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 27, 2016 - 07:08pm PT
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I gotta know what she's wearin' besides all those boots.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Nov 27, 2016 - 07:21pm PT
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My sister is named Jane and I've known a Jane from Ventura who had a problem and then Perry made a song about both of them -
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 27, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
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I've never seen so many gear reviews/product ads clogging the 1st page of the ST forum, as the last couple of days.
Did this thread somehow increase the gear review machine to spew out more reviews/ads?
As a now-retired, long-term outdoor gear rep, I do pay attention to some of the reviews/ads for technical gear I'm familiar with.
In general, the reviewers have no clue what they are talking about, & it is quite likely some companies are paying for favorable reviews.
Just my knowledgeable $00.02 cents.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Nov 27, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
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Those are substantial claims Fritz; I hope you can follow up with actual examples of reviewer ignorance. As for manufacturers paying for good reviews, I'd be interested in how you know about that as well.
OGL isn't consumer reports, but it is usually far better than the other reviewing entities out there, most of whom get their review items for free from the manufacturer and aren't doing any real head-to-head comparisons.
The original OGL review of Totem cams was probably their worst moment. They failed to be consistent with their own standards and seemed to be seriously biased in favor of Camalots. But other reviews I've read since then have seemed to me to be pretty good, and I've made a decision or two based on their conclusions. So if there are reviews I really shouldn't pay any attention to because of a clueless reviewer, I'd like to know about them.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 27, 2016 - 08:16pm PT
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rgold! Thanks for your question/comment.
I worked for many years as the Northern Rockies Representative for Katadyn water filters, which later added Optimus stoves to their product line. I always appreciated & respected the MSR products that we competed with & I still think they are the only other water filter brand that folks can trust. Of course their stoves are very good too.
From 1983- 2005, I worked for tent, pack, sleeping bag, & footwear companies.
I retired from Katadyn in early 2015, so my own views have nothing to do with that company, or my current income.
Katadyn is the most popular outdoor water filter brand & is the industry leader in outdoor water-filters. I do find the Outdoor Gear Lab reviews of water treatment devices to be lacking in science, lacking in real-world field-testing, & quite biased.
I can't show as much personal background for other outdoor gear.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 27, 2016 - 08:56pm PT
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Jane Jackson becomes Ross Robinson in an instant!
How do they do that?
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 29, 2016 - 04:13pm PT
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This is a moving target. Now it's
Katherine Elliott
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TomKimbrough
Social climber
Salt Lake City
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I have just noticed this Jane Jackson thread.
I can attest that there is a Jane Jackson and she is indeed a climber.
In fact she is quite a climber.
She is the daughter of my old partner, Renny, so that is my connection.
Jane Jackson is a resident of the SAR site in Yosemite.
Jane Jackson leads 5.12 cracks at Indian Creek.
Jane Jackson has climbed Denali.
Jane Jackson has climbed multiple routes on El Cap, including the NA.
Yes, Jane Jackson exists and she climbs way better than all of us geezers ever did.
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CathC
Social climber
Wyoming
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I believe I know that Jane Jackson, and she is quite an exceptional person if I do say so !
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jstan
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2018 - 09:31pm PT
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Climbing was all good so I will respond instead to what was the most dangerous thing I have done.
The idle channel in the carburetor on my small chain saw is plugged up so I had to buy a gallon of Chem Dip, the nastiest liquid known to man. It is so nasty the can says it will blow up if exposed to temperatures over 100F. In the Mojave temperatures were running at 110F at the time.
Good so far.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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John, what are you doing with a chainsaw????
Are you sure it wasn't SHEEPDIP????
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