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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 11, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
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Thank you for your sacrifice
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 11, 2016 - 02:30pm PT
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With my retired Army Ranger friend Rich.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Nov 11, 2018 - 08:32am PT
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I am fortunate to have lived in the best time in history. Lucky enough to have grown up when there wasn't mandatory military service.
Thank you to all who served. Especially those who gave the ultimate sacrifice. I am in your debt.
Happy Veterans Day - 100th Anniversary of the end of World War I
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 11, 2018 - 08:47am PT
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 11, 2018 - 08:47am PT
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I miss my grandfather so much. He served in the 10th mountain division. Silver Star and Purple Heart. He was and still is an inspiration to me. Tony Hyde was the man! He took me sailing in the carribean, skiing in the alps, dropped me off at a halfpipe to skateboard, paid me to take time off from high school to travel solo, and was as much of a dad as my actual dad, who is amazing as well. I love him so much.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Nov 11, 2018 - 09:09am PT
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I was young, I was telling a veteran I'm a pacifist. He replied you're only a pacifist until someone does something to you. There has always been war. When is there less. We will go to war again, even after these one ends. How will we carry ourselves, each other, to get back, to end conflict. At least, welcome home.
Grandfather fireman on battleship in WWII, Uncle infantry Korea, Uncle A6 Vietnam.
Uncle who enlisted during Bay of Pigs...
His dad (WWII), said looks like were going to war, better to enlist than be drafted. Uncle enlisted, then went AWOL in Hawaii, got arrested in Texas. Said he did some things for a priest, altar boy training paid off. Priest got him back in without too much of a problem.
Back to his post, he took care of the plumbing on a hospital ship. Said his commander was gung ho. Made an effort to get involved, and put ordinance on shore. Uncle said people came of the ship wearing commensurate ribbons. He said he never did, never did anything.
Distant uncle infantry WWII, distinguished service cross. Seem to have lost on both sides in that one.
I never heard the stories, until maybe I needed to be told. Remembering service, welcome home.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 11, 2018 - 09:13am PT
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I'm a pacifist
If you're a meat eater especially cow you're a hypocrite ......
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Nov 11, 2018 - 09:22am PT
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To all who served and gave
Thank You.
A parents hopes and dreams
The Service Star I was told it means:
One of Ours is in Active Duty service
God grant you full cover
interestingly, I was hoping this was a bridge building moment?
as far from his positions, on most everything, -as I usually am -
In this one instance (as well in musical taste)
I am with the Edward T on this score;
I don't play the lottery considering that, having just missed the draft,
I already won
"PS": It is all our great loss that
(Speaking of) a long banned but still lurking low life psychopath.
Who's "back-channel" vile-worded, threats... have so soured the Super Topo experience for many
including both "Survival", & "Nature"; to the point to which, they no longer post . . . (Happpiegirls bane too.)
To be more Clear, The "PS" is Not directed at Edward T.
Sir, Please Lets Not continue to dig the divide any deeper than it already is.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Nov 11, 2018 - 09:26am PT
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My friend and Navy vet wrote this a few years ago, good nugget of history and some wisdom thrown in.
We celebrate Veterans Day today. I should go out to the golf course, because they would let me golf for free, but I'd rather tell you about why today is the day that we salute people who have served in the armed forces.
Formerly known as, "Armistice Day", it was originally a day to celebrate the soldiers who fought in what was sold to the public as, "The war to end all wars.", unfortunately however it was followed by WWII, The Korean War, Vietnam, and so on, and so on and so on.
In the end "The Armistice" ended up being at best a Faustian bargain, and we desperately needed something else to be inclusive. So today we celebrate, "Veterans Day"
Most of us know that "The Armistice" was signed on the eleventh hour, of the eleventh day, of the eleventh month", but few of us know why, and as you go to the parades, and randomly thank veterans for their service today keep this in mind, it was all for pomp and circumstance. The generals, and secretaries of states, and prime ministers, and presidents, and secretaries of war, who hammered out the deal got it done nearly 12 hours before the famous moment of signature (some accounts have it happening in the early morning hours). On the 23rd hour of the tenth day, of the eleventh month of the eighteenth year of our lord, but that didn't have as nice a ring to it, as the whole eleventh hour thing. So the war raged on needlessly for nearly half another day. Officially over 10,000 men were killed, wounded or went missing on 11/11/18. Our own American troops took the worst of it, with over 3,000 casualties. Mostly due to General Pershing's order to send troops to cross the River Meuse, because he believed that we needed to, as he himself put it, "Teach the German's a lesson."
General Pershing knew the Armistice had been agreed to, but still sent thousands of American's needlessly to their deaths.
The last soldier to die in WWI, was American Private Henry Gunter, whose death occurred at 10:59 am, after being ordered to take a German machine gun nest. The Germans reportedly tried to stop the attack because everyone knew they were literally minutes away from peace, they pleaded with him in broken english, but when these attempts failed, the Germans opened fire, killing Private Gunter, whose divisional record describes his death this way: “Almost as he fell, the gunfire died away and an appalling silence prevailed.”
Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting we boycott parades, and barbecues, but if you really want to "thank" a veteran, take actual action. Take some time today, to learn about our foreign policy, and when the next war is on the horizon, make sure you know whats actually going on, instead of just blindly following patriotic sentiment. If you actually give a damn about those that have served, write your senator, and congress person, write them a hand written letter because they read those, and tell them to support the VA, and other veterans programs. Make a promise to be a better informed citizen because death lingers too, in the fog of pomp and circumstance, and a parade of uninformed citizens kills soldiers too just like bombs and howitzers.
The powers that be will use the good intentions, and all the honor of our troops for fodder, and it is your patriotic duty, to not let them get away with that. So today enjoy the parades, and if it's warm enough where you are, grill a hot dog or two, but be sure to tip back a drink, for private Gunter, because he died for today, as much as anyone did.
-J Pheley
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 11, 2018 - 09:55am PT
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Gnome, EdwardT’s first post was entirely appropriate. Yours was not.
Why don’t you man up and delete it?
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Robb
Social climber
Cat Box
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Nov 11, 2018 - 09:56am PT
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We are all very blessed today to have had them then.
Edit: No, not the Yorkies, they didn't serve :)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 11, 2018 - 10:00am PT
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The rubber meets the pavement when someone serves their country in the armed forces....congrats to all who made the commitment!
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Nov 11, 2018 - 10:12am PT
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f you're a meat eater especially cow you're a hypocrite ......
I we ever meet, I hope to give you a piece of ahimsa!!!... But really, I'm human, probably could use some practice being one.
FWIW, in a way I believe in karma. I believe the ancients may have had an understanding of thermodynamics. The true cost of meat to myself, the environment, or others. Learning to live together? (Western diets tend to blow us up?!). I'd like to see you and Ed talk about it. Let me pour tea if invited.
Turning the other cheek?... Again I'm not practiced. I don't live on one grain of rice. We could all be a Lama, all be Tibet? Still, when I ever thought that way, my uncle, seemed to quickly root me in reality. I'll take hypocrite, seriously. If nothing else because I know it comes from a view of a different path.
Destruction for ahimsa? Rice makes me smile. I can boil water! Need some blue... Ha!
edit: it may be foolish, but at my best, I hope I would slog the valleys for your principles. Probably more so that those close to me might keep the higher ground.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 11, 2018 - 11:52am PT
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A hundred years since the armistice.
We've learned little.
How long will we be in Afghanistan?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 11, 2018 - 03:20pm PT
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WyoRockMan, TFPU your buddy's thoughts.
I had a short service record, nothing to write home about...I visited home most every weekend I had a chance in Service Schools at Treasure Island.
I served on the good ship Neversail and am happy I enlisted.
What I like about this day is the getting together of the elders and the very young. There is a true sense of community here in this small burg that I appreciate.
This afternoon's parade was extremely enjoyable. I got to meet and thank many-many who served and hear some stories about their experiences.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 11, 2018 - 03:26pm PT
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hey there say, all... thank you all for sharing...
and for sharing your family photos, too...
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 11, 2018 - 05:01pm PT
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The Rat BITD
Younger, thinner, more hair on my head
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Nov 11, 2018 - 05:29pm PT
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SLR? Flanagan? Small world, but probably not that small. I worked in the same clinic as a dentist who served on the deck of the Hamilton and the Oriskny. He said they were there for the Phantoms though.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 11, 2018 - 05:38pm PT
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SLR? Flanagan? Nope
I worked in the same clinic as a dentist who served on the deck of the Hamilton and the Oriskny. He said they were there for the Phantoms though. I wanted to fly Phantoms (BAD!!!), but they were phased out just as I started flight school. We had a Phantom outside of our barracks that gave me a raging hard-on every day. I ended up flying the EA-6B Prowler.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Nov 11, 2018 - 05:52pm PT
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My uncle was a co-pilot on A6's. A swimmer,a graduate of Colgate. He came home, lived on an island, raised 2 kids while trying to only use things from his immediate surroundings. Kept a garden, fruit trees, and some bees too.
He likes to fish. My brother recently bought a boat is picking it up. I worked on a ship, nothing serious, but some cold water. I went out with my brother for the first time, and we argued. I came home and bought him a radio. My uncle said it was good to see that he had something to put in his hands.
My brother said my uncle only goes out about a mile anymore. I thought, I bet that is about how far he figures he could swim.
edit: Bring back the draft. The draft, or public service for everyone. Choose one, make exceptions unreasonably difficult. As much as I disagreed with McCain, I respected him. About as much as I was disappointed by the success of the swift boat campaign (especially considering who it supported.)
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 11, 2018 - 06:06pm PT
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I worked on avionics with the EA-6B detachment in 79-80 in Iwakuni Japan. They were fairly new, very capable aircraft. We had Phantoms on the other end of the field, badazz plane. I will never forget seeing the F-4 Screaming Eagle Phantom do a low level high speed pass at an airshow in 77. I think it traveled with the Blue Angels
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 11, 2018 - 06:26pm PT
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Bring back the draft Nope. Very bad idea.
The military is not a social experiment.
The military is not there to teach people social lessons.
The military is not there to teach people citizenship.
The military is there for combat. Period.
Dilute the fighting force with people who don't want to be there?
Nope. Very bad idea. I don't want them in my unit.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Nov 11, 2018 - 06:30pm PT
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Meh? I figured not enough skin in the game...
Multiple deployments are taking their toll.
I don't want a fignt. It seems that the draft helped end a war.
Sincerely, peace. Thank for your service, never forget, and welcome home.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 11, 2018 - 06:32pm PT
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Was low on the S Face of Denali when we thought that Denali had erupted. Two AF Phantoms
came over Denali Pass (? the one at the head of the NE Fork) and hit the burners!
By the time they turned the corner and headed down the Kahiltna at about 1000’ AGL they
had to be pushing 500 kts. Ho Lee Phuk was that loud! And talk about air polution!
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 11, 2018 - 06:49pm PT
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Multiple deployments are taking their toll.
That's because there have been too many Republican presidents engaging in foreign policy that antagonizes people around the world and creating large numbers of enemy combatants.
We do not need to be throwing more of our soldiers into the meat grinder. We need to change foreign policy.
pushing 500 kts 500 kts is not a common speed for that sort of thing, especially for Phantoms. 600 is more likely. Was there a sonic boom? That puts the speed up around 650-700.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 12, 2018 - 06:18am PT
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The echoes of that war are still reverberating today.
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Barbarian
climber
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Nov 12, 2018 - 07:40am PT
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Trump passed on a scheduled visit because it was raining
Forgive President Snowflake - the rains aggravates his bone spurs.
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Adventurer
Mountain climber
Virginia
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Nov 12, 2018 - 08:01am PT
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Happy Veterans Day to all who served!
I agree with the points made by SLR on the draft and on the our penchant to involve American soldiers in too many foreign wars.
I was in the Army from 1967–1977 so my experience covered both the draft and the transition to an all volunteer force. I was a training NCO during the actual transition. One week I had draftees in a training course and the next all volunteers. The change in the attitude of the two groups was very clear. The volunteers were there because they wanted to be and were much more willing to learn and adapt to military demands.
Also, as SLR said, our country has to learn to avoid the pitfall of sending US forces to fight in hopeless endeavors. Vietnam and Afghanistan are two examples.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 12, 2018 - 08:07am PT
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Jim Clipper is right on about bringing back the draft...and don’t allow cowardly Trump style deferments for bone spurs.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Nov 12, 2018 - 08:14am PT
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 12, 2018 - 08:16am PT
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I went to that wall years ago and cried ....
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Nov 12, 2018 - 09:03am PT
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Unecpectedly, my mom took me to see a replica of the wall. She told me a story about a guy she met. She and a friend went to see him just before he got on the bus to go overseas. She asked his CO if they could talk for a minute, which he allowed.
When my mom met my dad, she sent the guy the letter. I remember her saying he wrote back, angry. Decades later, my mom saw in the newspaper that a replica of the wall was touring the states. She said she woke up one night, and remembered his name. She was never able to recall it before then.
I think they were only together briefly. Still, knowing a little of my grandparents, and the way my mom was raised, she was from a time when a couple of dates could really mean something. Moreover, the timing. Finally, maybe, the world was bigger. When you're that far from home, you probably hold on to whatever you have that much more.
Again, my 2 cents. The draft or public service. Mandatory. If not the military, you get to meet some different Americans. Hopefully get together, share meals, chores, get stronger, do work. Maybe solve some problems
Also, I saw a talk by a guy who spent time with McCain and others in North Vietnam. He talked about being put in a box not big enough to stand in, or lie down straight. He said it was the best experience of his life. He said he truly learned the value of "parachute packers".
This shouldn't be so heavy, but some never haul their share of the burden, including me. Still, those that readily spend the idealism, strength, an vigor of our youth in service, should personally know the cost.
Sincerely thanks to those who did their best for each other and their country.
edit: shaved head not required
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 12, 2018 - 09:44am PT
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I went and sat at my grandpas gravesite yesterday. We had a really good conversation. A huge thank you to every vet out there. You are appreciated.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 12, 2018 - 10:48am PT
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I would like to salute all Veterans ...
My grand father was a WW2 Naval intelligence officer and worked on Russian code. We had to keep tabs even on our Allies in WW2. He couldn't tell us until after 50 years had gone by, then he told us everything he worked on.
My grandfather's brother, my uncle, was a B-24 Liberator pilot in WW2.
I was in the US Army 82-84. I was in the 3rd US Infantry, "The Old Guard," Co. E, "Honor Guard," at Ft. Myer, VA. While I was in, the Beirut Bombing took place and I was able to help and escort family at the Memorial service at Andrews Air Force Base in Washington DC. The Vietnam War Memorial was dedicated while I was there in Washington DC, and I witnessed that. We gave the Vietnam Veterans their first official parade after the war down constitution Avenue. The US fought in Grenada and we did a big ceremony for many units at Summerall Field at Ft. Myer, VA, for the returning soldiers. I was on "Honor Guard" casket team and buried many Vietnam Veterans in Arlington National Cemetery, as well as many others. That was the hardest duty to do. Yes ceremonial soldiers we sometimes cry when we carry caskets. I know I did. We played Infantry war games in the winter when we weren't so busy with our ceremonial duties. The primary mission of the "Honor Guard" is to protect the President in times of national emergency at Camp David. We practiced that every year and they picked us up in Huey and Chinnok helicopters right on Summerall Field, flew us around Washington DC, and then flew us to Camp David to practice those maneuvers. You will know my unit US Army 3rd US Infantry, "Honor Guard" when you watch the Francis Ford Coppula movie "Gardens of Stone." Very interesting times indeed.
My younger brother served in the Navy, and my younger sister also served in the US Army.
Like they do in Israel, everyone should serve, 2 years I believe. Our nation would be the better for it, and everyone would have national pride and love of country and we wouldn't have all the social ills we have now.
It is a crime that our veterans are homeless and on the street. If I had the monetary means, I would make that a priority and get them off the streets and give them their dignity back and see that they are cared for. Our veterans have sacrificed so much.
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Nov 12, 2018 - 12:56pm PT
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I have a purple heart license plate on my truck. It has probably saved me a few times from getting a speeding ticket, but when occasionally someone says to me "thanks for your service", I usually think why thank me, it was probably one big waste of lives and money spent to keep the war machine going. The only legitimate war was WW2, in my opinion, and perhaps Korea.
Look at Vietnam today. If we hadn't gone over there, would the end result be any different? I don't think so.
I still need to watch that series by Ken Burns.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Nov 12, 2018 - 01:17pm PT
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A much younger me, mountain top about 40 mi n. of Pusan - probably 1975
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 12, 2018 - 03:57pm PT
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It is a crime that our veterans are homeless and on the street Bad news, you won't want to hear this.
The VA has an excellent homeless vet program to get vets into apartments and get them training and jobs. I have been intimately involved in these programs.
Unfortunately, many homeless vets crush all attempts to help them. They get placed into an apartment. Then they kill the neighbor's dog, threaten kids with a knife, and try to burn up another neighbor's car. The vet gets a lifetime ban from that housing unit. The DAV provides free transportation to the VA, but homeless vets fail to follow up with counselors, fail to pick-up free medications from the pharmacy, and fail to take their meds. Repeat ad nauseum until the vet is banned from all homeless shelters and banned from all regional housing units. They end up on the street and they bitch that the VA won't help them.
You can only help people who want to help themselves. Sad but true.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Nov 12, 2018 - 04:11pm PT
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it was probably one big waste of lives and money spent to keep the war machine going
I've talked to more than one Vietnamese American who would disagree. Not many said much, but I'm sure some share similar values, the same experience.
For all the faults of our government, actions that can and should be questioned, I still believe that we enjoy a privileged place in a complicated but still sometimes beautiful world.
fwiw welcome home
there is a woman, a native american artist, whose work is in the smithsonian, She made a small teepee and painted the outside with helicopters
edit: SLR, never give up? i admire your work
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 12, 2018 - 05:00pm PT
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When you start slaughtering civilians while the in commander chief sits in his office it's not war anymore.
It's pure fuking pussy horsesh!t .......
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 12, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
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When you start slaughtering civilians while the in commander chief sits in his office it's not war anymore.
It's pure fuking pussy horsesh!t .......
Exactly. Say what you want about those Greek and Roman kings and emperors, they were as likely to get the chop in war as the grunts.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Nov 13, 2018 - 07:14am PT
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wow a great shot. I hope the modern army provides hearing protection.
I spent some time with a self propelled 175 mm unit and the concussion is incredible.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 13, 2018 - 09:22am PT
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The cruel war was over -- oh, the triumph was so sweet!
We watched the troops returning, through our tears;
There was triumph, triumph, triumph down the scarlet glittering street,
And you scarce could hear the music for the cheers.
And you scarce could see the house-tops for the flags that flew between;
The bells were pealing madly to the sky;
And everyone was shouting for the Soldiers of the Queen,
And the glory of an age was passing by.
And then there came a shadow, swift and sudden, dark and drear;
The bells were silent, not an echo stirred.
The flags were drooping sullenly, the men forgot to cheer;
We waited, and we never spoke a word.
The sky grew darker, darker, till from out the gloomy rack
There came a voice that checked the heart with dread:
"Tear down, tear down your bunting now, and hang up sable black;
They are coming -- it's the Army of the Dead."
They were coming, they were coming, gaunt and ghastly, sad and slow;
They were coming, all the crimson wrecks of pride;
With faces seared, and cheeks red smeared, and haunting eyes of woe,
And clotted holes the khaki couldn't hide.
Oh, the clammy brow of anguish! the livid, foam-flecked lips!
The reeling ranks of ruin swept along!
The limb that trailed, the hand that failed, the bloody finger tips!
And oh, the dreary rhythm of their song!
"They left us on the veldt-side, but we felt we couldn't stop
On this, our England's crowning festal day;
We're the men of Magersfontein, we're the men of Spion Kop,
Colenso -- we're the men who had to pay.
We're the men who paid the blood-price. Shall the grave be all our gain?
You owe us. Long and heavy is the score.
Then cheer us for our glory now, and cheer us for our pain,
And cheer us as ye never cheered before."
The folks were white and stricken, and each tongue seemed weighted with lead;
Each heart was clutched in hollow hand of ice;
And every eye was staring at the horror of the dead,
The pity of the men who paid the price.
They were come, were come to mock us, in the first flush of our peace;
Through writhing lips their teeth were all agleam;
They were coming in their thousands -- oh, would they never cease!
I closed my eyes, and then -- it was a dream.
There was triumph, triumph, triumph down the scarlet gleaming street;
The town was mad; a man was like a boy.
A thousand flags were flaming where the sky and city meet;
A thousand bells were thundering the joy.
There was music, mirth and sunshine; but some eyes shone with regret;
And while we stun with cheers our homing braves,
O God, in Thy great mercy, let us nevermore forget
The graves they left behind, the bitter graves.
--Robert William Service
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 14, 2018 - 08:25am PT
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Anthem for Doomed Youth
What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle
Can patter out their hasty orisons.
No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells,
Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs, -
The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;
And bugles calling for them from sad shires.
What candles may be held to speed them all?
Not in the hands of boys, but in their eyes
Shall shine the holy glimmers of goodbyes.
The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall;
Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,
And each slow dusk a drawing down of blinds.
 Willfred Owen, arguably the poet laureate of WWI.
He died one week before Armistice Day.
His mother was notified on Armistice Day
as church bells were ringing joyfully.
A series of infrared photos by Jonathan Beamish on BBC..
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Nov 14, 2018 - 01:13pm PT
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Reilly,
Thanks for posting that. I've never heard of him or the story behind the poem. Quite ironic-to say the least.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 14, 2018 - 01:28pm PT
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Thanks also Reilly. Though an English major as an undergrad, I'd almost forgotten about Wilfred Owen. Another sad loss was Siegfried Sassoon, yet another British poet/soldier who didn't survive the trenches. Both are well worth searching out and reading.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Nov 14, 2018 - 01:30pm PT
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I know the Trump Administration does care about the Veteran...
Unless it's raining...
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Nov 15, 2018 - 08:13am PT
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SLR, I think we chatted over on Summitpost several years ago regarding our service, inlcuding my ex-wife Deb. Both of us were avionics geeks, serving as jarheads. You mentioned you wished you had classed up for Phantoms. That was my first aircraft to work on. First squadron assigned was to VMFP-3 out of El Toro (1982). We doubled as both AT's and AQ's then, so we could maintain their recon cameras. Good memories of turning and taxiing that beast when I was turn qualled. "Flooding the cans" was especially fun at night. Watching plane captains shard their pants.....classic. Eventually changed to Hornets after the Phantom retired. I made it a 20 year gig. Been retired for 16 years now. Over in China Lake, working as a flight test engineer for radar development on the Super Hornets and Growlers.
A little vid I found on VMFP-3. Rhinos Forever!!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I agree with you regarding the VA and DAV working hard to take care of our homeless vets. It's a shame that some of these folks don't take advantage of the services provided to them. The core of the issue there is the mental health aspect.
Ummm.....and Trump doesn't give two shits about our homeless vets. Show me one link....one shred of evidence he's put money aside and vamped up programs to assist them!
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 15, 2018 - 09:35am PT
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There were many losses in the trenches. The writer Saki was one of them, killed by a sniper. His last words: "Put that bloody cigarette out!"
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 15, 2018 - 01:47pm PT
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Nov 15, 2018 - 02:54pm PT
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Some great posts y'all. Fantastic pictures of Sierra Ledge Rat, holyballs man!
~Caylor!
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 15, 2018 - 05:18pm PT
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Here's a good video of the Saints, an A-4 squadron on the USS Oriskany in 1965-1967.
Click in the center of the screen for the video. http://www.ussoriskany.us/oHTD.htm
Many of the pilots had far worse luck than McCain and Stockdale.
From 1965 to 1967 38 pilots died and 60 planes were lost.
1 of every 3 pilots died or were captured.
None of the original 15 planes survived.
16 pilots died after July 1967.
McCain was shot down the day before my uncle Jim Dooley was.
However Jim was KIA.
LTJG James E. Dooley was a pilot assigned to Attack Squadron 163 onboard the USS ORISKANY. On October 22, 1967, Dooley was flying an A-4E aircraft in the second division of Attack Squadron 163. The aircraft was on a strike mission over North Vietnam. The target was the Haiphong railroad yard. It is believed that Dooley's aircraft hit anti-aircraft fire as he pulled off the target. Witnesses observed his aircraft straight and level and streaming fuel while heading eastward toward open water at approximately 6,000 feet. The aircraft then commenced a gradual descent heading toward the water and crashed. The aircraft impacted in the water in a nose and wing down attitude about one mile from land. A thorough search of the area was conducted by the strike group but there was no evidence of a survivor. There was no parachute seen, nor any radio transmissions from the target area to the site of impact. The surrounding land area was densely populated and if he had ejected he most certainly would have been captured immediately. James E. Dooley was placed in a status of Missing in Action. After six years, and following the end of the war, Dooley's status was changed to Presumed Killed in Action because there was no evidence that he was alive.
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