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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 27, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
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I think mine would, but maybe I'd just find another "toy" to help me ignore my wife.
My biggest reason for not wanting to go back to a simple phone is all of the music I have in my pocket, I also like having a really nice camera to take selfies with each meal I eat.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 27, 2016 - 12:31pm PT
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I dunno. I have no smart phone.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 27, 2016 - 12:49pm PT
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No, but it would if a lot of retards didn't have them. First thing I would
do if I won the lottery is ram the ass end of the azzhole sitting at the
light in front of me looking at his phone while the light changes to green.
As of now I have to endure their hatefull stares in their rear view mirrors
while I honk at them. How dare I disturb their reverie!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 27, 2016 - 12:53pm PT
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No, it wouldn't 'improve'. I'd certainly have a happy, productive life without it, but there are a number of functions that have proven to be especially helpful or useful in my personal and professional life. (i.e. map apps, email ability, texting, camera, music)
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Oct 27, 2016 - 12:54pm PT
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If everyone else got rid of theirs, then I wouldn't need one.
Then, we could actually pay attention to what's in front of us.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Oct 27, 2016 - 12:55pm PT
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No smart phone here, either. Not even a cell phone. When I leave the house I'm incognito, unless you recognize me face to face.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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Oct 27, 2016 - 01:16pm PT
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I'd certainly have a happy, productive life without it
apogee: 17542 forum postings found- very productive for 8 years. 6 posts per day
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 27, 2016 - 01:18pm PT
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Without smart phones, Americans will remain stoopid .....
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 27, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
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What about one of these?
It'll be available in one model of 13-inch MacBook Pro, which starts at $1,799, as well as the 15-inch version, which starts at $2,399. Both will ship in the next two to three weeks.
I have not seen any significant improvement since not having one.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 27, 2016 - 01:21pm PT
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That's 17543 to you, Alexey....
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Oct 27, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
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^^^ good one Reilly! Had that happen to me but I was thumping on their trunk b/c I commute by bike. They glared and didn't move till the car behind me honked. Some people. I am not the confrontational type but if I pull up next to a car and I see someone texting away I lightly knock on their window and give them the no-no-no finger. More than half scowl and get ugly with me and a few will smile, drop their phone and proceed to drive responsibly. So, from my small sample regarding people getting caught performing an illegal activity, most are responding defensively, rude and showing their lack of responsibility in/for society. The lifestylers moving here are pricks.
so, anyway...
Yes and no. It'd stay the about the same. I use my phone for weather, pay a couple bills, get road info, surf a bit and that's about it other than using it to call people from wherever I happen to be. I'd use the USPS more often and possibly recreate in fowl-er weather!
I don't have a computer at my house nor a connection. I have an FB account but will only post a private msg a couple times a month to connect with old pals etc. I have no other social media accounts or interests in digital/virtual portrayal of my life as I believe it is hugely degrading on one's true self.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Oct 27, 2016 - 02:01pm PT
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I have only a Tracfone which I use to chek my bank balance and make appointments for dog haircuts and van work, mostly. Most of my personal communication is via email or in person.
I would like to have a camera on the phone though.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Oct 27, 2016 - 02:05pm PT
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I don't have a smart phone. Mine's dumb, like me.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Oct 27, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
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digital/virtual portrayal of my life
nice meme!
In a narcissistic way, yes. Like farcebook or bragbook or //needing/wanting// to tell others of achievements to feel good about onself. That is degrading to the soul. I guess I could have put excessive in front of the above bolded text to make my point better, maybe?
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Oct 27, 2016 - 03:01pm PT
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Here are the top 10 ways in which smart phone helps me:
1. Driving directions
2. Finding phone number of businesses/resources, making/canceling reservations, ordering in advance before I get there, etc.
3. Way simpler flying process using smartphone boarding pass
4. Audio tool to help me learn songs for my band
5. My music with me where I travel
6. Handle easier parts of my job without opening computer
7. Video calls with my kids or wife while I'm traveling
8. Using it like an old-fashioned Palm Pilot (calendar, to-do list, etc.)
9. Great amateur camera
10. Learning Italian
My life has become simpler as a result of using a smartphone. It is a tool that saves me time, making it easier to stay connected to people that matter to me. It is not an obstacle to human connection unless your own habits make it so.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Oct 27, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
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I'm blonde. I need a smart phone.
Susan
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 27, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
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Would your life improve if you didn't have a car? Shoes? A refrigerator or washing machine? Toilet paper?
F*#k no.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Oct 27, 2016 - 03:56pm PT
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No, it would be worse. But I barely use mine. I am not glued to it. I really find it handy for GPS directions when visiting new areas, and having a good-enough camera has allowed me to take pictures of my kid, something I would not do if I had to lug along a camera.
Most folks are pretty far down the rabbit hole, so I agree with the general sentiment. The whole Pokemon Go thing this summer was an eye opener, amazing number of pasty white people squinting against the sun they clearly have rarely seen to play the thing in local parks. I had to gently get the message to my wife that her tending to texts and alerts during dinner was not appropriate, but my small sample size says our self control is not widespread.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Oct 27, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
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I was just thinking today, I must be the only person in America that has a "clamshell" and feeling sorry for myself. Now I feel better. A few people I respect out there use one too. Cheers, lynnie
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
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Oct 27, 2016 - 06:13pm PT
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I don't have one; don't want one; never intend to get a "smart phone."
I like cars that are transportation, cameras that take pictures and phone that only make phone calls.
Now we have cars that takes pictures and make phone calls. We have phones that help you drive and take pictures. Soon we will have cameras that drive cars and make phone calls. That describes a "self-driving" car that of course will have built-in celltelephony.
I am like the old cowboy. "I've been around a long time. I've seen a lot of change. And I was against every single one of them."
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Oct 27, 2016 - 09:36pm PT
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I find it a fantastic tool. Invaluable when traveling.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 27, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
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Largely indiscernible from magic.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Oct 27, 2016 - 10:30pm PT
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My world was just fine before smart phones.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Oct 27, 2016 - 11:29pm PT
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If I didn't have a smart phone, what would I do during coffee break when all of my coworkers are staring at their phones?
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Oct 27, 2016 - 11:48pm PT
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It ain't the phone that's the problem, its how you use it that matters.
Actually they really aren't "phones". They are little computers which include a phone application.
Title could just as easily be; 'Would your life improve if you didn't have a little computer?'
My answer, no.
Life improvement isn't about "things" it's about what's going on in the space between your ears.
In my life, some things are just easier to deal with on a little computer sometimes.
Can I live happily without it? Sure can. Do most days.
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Oct 27, 2016 - 11:55pm PT
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Agree with Dehli Dog.
You have to ask yourself, "Do I run my life or does my phone run my life?" You have to learn when to respond to your phone and when no to. People who respond immediately to whatever comes up on their phone without filtering it need to take back control of their lives.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Oct 28, 2016 - 01:25am PT
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using Delhi Dog's "smartphone = little computer" equation, my answer is [like healyje's] simple...
fUck no.
and i was a longtime hold out. i used a flip phone primarily for business in the early aughts, but then when back in school got rid of a cell phone altogether.
so it was a surprise, when i finally bought a smartphone, that i quickly came to wonder how i'd ever lived without it.
still holding out on facebook though...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 28, 2016 - 03:37am PT
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I got a Cricket phone.^^^ But the building's all electric, no gas.
My cricket doesn't chirp, but it's cheap and it's all I need or want from a PHONE.
I never call any crickets because I don't know any.
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Beatrix Kiddo
Mountain climber
ColoRADo
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Oct 28, 2016 - 09:57am PT
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I think my vision would improve. Laying in bed at night, surfing the net is starting to take a toll on my baby blues.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 28, 2016 - 02:39pm PT
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I had a couple of smartphones, a Palm and an iPhone1. I found that I was constantly distracted by checking my phone, so I switched back to a dumb phone. My current phone is dying and I'm being pressured to get a 'real' phone. To me, phone means telephone, not computer that makes calls. I've a great sense of direction, so if I check directions on my tablet before I leave, I can usually remember them. A notepad makes a great companion to a dumb phone, and I use it often.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Oct 28, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
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I love having a "smart" phone. In my line of work I'm often required to board a flight to a forest fire 1-2,000 miles away from home, leaving within a couple hours. Sitting in the local airport I can make car rental reservations, gather intel on the mission, get directions to the ICP, etc. Of course this used to be done all the time without the phone, but it sure is nice to walk into a very complex environment with an enhanced situational awareness.
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Adventurer
Mountain climber
Virginia
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Oct 28, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
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I'm an older guy (67) and I enjoy having my iPhone. Makes it easy, via text or call, to keep in touch and gives me beta on weather, investments, driving directions, etc when I need it.
Of course, I don't walk around all day with my face stuck in the screen like an idiot. It's a tool not a puppy!!!!
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Oct 28, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
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I'd probably get stuck in traffic more.
And I do like to just find out the answer to a question, when I think of the question. Luckily most of the questions I think about (using my insanely extraordinary strength of mind!) are simple enough for my smart phone to answer.
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Jeremy B.
climber
Northern California
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Oct 28, 2016 - 04:07pm PT
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Would your life improve if you didn't have a smart phone?
This reminds me of the Amish? They take a very conservative approach to new technology, allowing only what they feel is essential and being very cautious of how it will impact their lives. Or, from an alternate view, they've arbitrarily decided to freeze their culture at a particular technological level.
Not liking a smartphone feels like that same mindset, only instead of stalling out at a 19th century level of technology, it's stalling out at a 20th century level. To me it's no different from if the Romans decided that dirt roads and wells in the town square were perfectly practical, and things like concrete, plumbing, and aqueducts were mere frivolities that would only encourage idleness once built.
The smartphone is, as Delhi Dog mentioned, not really a phone. Phones are essentially dead technology; they just don't know it yet. Humanity is building out infrastructure in the virtual space, and the plain old telephone is about as relevant to that future as the 19th century telegraph is to current communications.
The future? Smartphones are the now, no longer the future. The future is a marvelous, glorious place. Some of us will be lucky enough to get longer glimpses of it, but those will still pale compared to what the generations after us will see.
(edited the first few lines, to play nice.)
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Oct 28, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
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It's interesting though, that the Amish score as happier and better adjusted than the average American every time they've been tested.
As for technology, I work from home and have three computers at my house and a VOIP phone right next to me. When I go out, I want to be free of all that.
When I was a kid my father made us look at a topo map before we went out in the mountains and we weren't allowed to look at it again until we got back. I do the same thing with Google maps now when I drive to a new place. I have a great sense of direction thanks to my father (and the compass in my jeep) and the only times I've gotten lost were when Google sent me the wrong way and I had to figure my way out. Smart phone, no need.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Oct 28, 2016 - 06:46pm PT
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I don't have a smart phone, don't have a flip phone, i have a landline... Don't call me, i will not answer .. not a fan of phones..
Would my life improve with a smart phone?...Other people think so....not me.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Oct 28, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
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Right on Nita
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Oct 28, 2016 - 10:20pm PT
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I use a flip phone with no camera and internet, texting, and email turned off. I don't answer numbers I don't know.
For 15 years I was a slave to those things.
Now?
Don't bother calling.
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Oct 29, 2016 - 08:48am PT
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Hey Tad as a teacher u should watch the documentary "screenagers". Won't tell u anything u don't know, but still interesting. What gets me are the people in phone-bliss, oblivious, and crossing a.busy city street surrounded by harried hurried drivers in their own phone-bliss! Most probably have never personally seen the aftermath/results of hard cold steel meeting soft flesh & bone. For some it probably still wouldn't matter. Some technology may be evolution in reverse disguised as forward movement...
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 29, 2016 - 02:55pm PT
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People that complain that they have a smartphone are like people that complain about other posters on SuperTopo.
Their problem is a lack of willpower.
Put down the phone. Ignore those posters. If they bother you.
I love my smartphone. My brother got the first iPhone, I got one a couple years later. He said one of the best things about it is you will never be bored again. If you are waiting in line pull it out and read the news, play a game, text someone, etc.
I love having a computer with the internet, a camera, GPS, 10,000 songs, video conferencing, a phone, etc. everywhere I go in one tiny package. The biggest game changer in my lifetime. It's hard to believe it's only been about 7 years.
However you do have to be aware of how addictive they are. We have very strict rules for our kids. They can't walk around with a screen on. They don't have screens until 6PM. And the best rule is they have to earn their screen time. e.g. 15 minutes for taking out the trash. So they are constantly asking "what can I do to earn screen time" instead of us nagging them to get them to help out. It's awesome.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 29, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
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IMO smartphones are the plague. They have absolutely destroyed the classroom. They have "drained real life of meaning and made reality dull, slow and avoidable."
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Oct 29, 2016 - 05:45pm PT
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OK. We create a subjective test of happiness and then interpret the results using objective math. Do we then believe that the results are subjective results or objective results?
We tell ourselves that an important skill for us to develop in our environment is navigational awareness, and then pride ourselves on our willingness and ability to develop navigational awareness. But is it an important and valuable skill for us to spend our brainpower on, in an environment that includes smartphones? Maybe.
But if my car breaks down, I've got no clue how to fix it - I'm probably not gonna make it to my destination. Probably would have a tough time even starting a fire like our caveman ancestors could, should the zombie apocalypse necessitate my starting a fire from scratch.
Smartphone, no smartphone, we adapt to our environment and learn to use the tools available to us. It's what humans do.
Or not :-) But IMHO, in our survivor-biased reality, evolution has often deemed the 'not' folks less fit, so most of us survivors have evolved to try to incorporate our environment's tools into our belief->behavior processes.
But however it works for you, cool! Diversity of our belief->behavior processes makes us stronger together.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Oct 29, 2016 - 05:54pm PT
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At work I've never been one of those people who shamelessly walk through the office to the bathroom with a newspaper or magazine when they have to poop. It always to me just screams "I'm going to be on the pot for awhile and read this while I drop a deuce." Now with smartphones I can daintily slip in when that breakfast burrito needs to complete its journey and still have plenty of reading material.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Oct 29, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
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Yea I'm still waiting for the supertopo forums (and my replies) to just appear in my consciousness so I can be free of all this staring and typing, because the supertopo forums, we can't live without that! :-)
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 29, 2016 - 06:34pm PT
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With the phone I can hang out with Anita and Pete anytime. Live Action!
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Dec 31, 2016 - 11:34pm PT
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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I bought one of the first smart phones, was called a Blackberry. Made a living with it for a few years reselling books in the early days of Half.com and then Amazon. It allowed me to check prices as I went through stacks of books at thrift stores. I would buy shopping carts full of books.. It let me stay home with my son until he started school, priceless as a single dad. Now I run my office off the cloud. Rather than sit in my office waiting for a client to call I can be enroute to the mountains.
My son is 13 now and is glued to his phone, but we have a few no phone zones. You got to make a stand somewhere
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