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zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 13, 2016 - 02:31pm PT
Sure why not!

Rumour is that Dylan and Simon are hashing out a plan where zMan refuses the award and it's turned over to all the lonely prophets writing on the subway walls or Art Schnitzler.

He does want to keep the money however.



I have not read by far anything from a vast majority of the winners through the years, however I did read a small portion of Bertrand Russell's (amazingly) voluminous writing and never once thought of it as literature.

Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Oct 13, 2016 - 04:09pm PT
Ring them bells ye heathen from the city that dreams
Ring them bells from the sanctuaries cross the valleys and streams
For they're deep and they're wide
And the world is on its side
And time is running backwards
And so is the bride
Ring them bells Saint Peter where the four winds blow
Ring them bells with an iron hand
So the people will know
Oh it's rush hour now
On the wheel and the plow
And the sun is going down upon the sacred cow
Ring them bells Sweet Martha for the poor man's son
Ring them bells so the world will know that God is one
Oh the shepherd is asleep
Where the willows weep
And the mountains are filled with lost sheep
Ring them bells for the blind and the deaf
Ring them bells for all of us who are left
Ring them bells for the chosen few
Who will judge the many when the game is through
Ring them bells for the time that flies
For the child that cries
When innocence dies
Ring them bells for Saint Catherine from the top of the room
Ring them bells from the fortress for the lilies that bloom
Oh the lines are long and the fighting is strong
And they're breaking down the distance between right and wrong
Songwriters
BOB DYLAN
Published by
Lyrics © BOB DYLAN MUSIC CO
Song Discussions is protected by U.S. Patent 9401941. Other patents pending.

Congratulations Mr. Dylan!

Thank you for your role in the positive evolution of human consciousness.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Oct 13, 2016 - 05:13pm PT
I'm good either way, but the man's a poet. And if they want to call the Nobel Prize his, so be it.

A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
Bob Dylan
Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son?
And where have you been my darling young one?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I've crawled on six crooked highways
I've stepped in the middle of seven sad forests
I've been out in front of a dozen dead oceans
I've been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
Oh, what did you see, my blue eyed son?
And what did you see, my darling young one?
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin'
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin'
I saw a white ladder all covered with water
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son?
And what did you hear, my darling young one?
I heard the sound of a thunder that roared out a warnin'
I heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world
I heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin'
I heard ten thousand whisperin' and nobody listenin'
I heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin'
Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter
Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
Oh, what did you meet my blue-eyed son ?
Who did you meet, my darling young one?
I met a young child beside a dead pony
I met a white man who walked a black dog
I met a young woman whose body was burning
I met a young girl, she gave me a rainbow
I met one man who was wounded in love
I met another man who was wounded in hatred
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
And what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son?
And what'll you do now my darling young one?
I'm a-goin' back out 'fore the rain starts a-fallin'
I'll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest
Where the people are a many and their hands are all empty
Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters
Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison
And the executioner's face is always well hidden
Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten
Where black is the color, where none is the number
And I'll tell and speak it and think it and breathe it
And reflect from the mountain so all souls can see it
And I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin'
But I'll know my song well before I start singing
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 13, 2016 - 05:24pm PT
6 April 1965: Dylan’s words ‘come off the page within a loose framework of assonant and consonant rhyme, using shifting eight to twelve syllable iambic rhythms which adjust themselves as naturally to speech as to song’

http://www.theguardian.com/music/from-the-archive-blog/2016/oct/13/chimes-of-freedom-guardian-dylan-poetry-1965

Dylan's poetic accomplishments are of a different nature than what came before. His work was disseminated essentially by his record albums, not by the traditional printed word.

This is what constitutes literature for the people of today, as well as the printed word. The very definition of literature calls for it to be written, not heard.

But the times changed and literature did, too. Bob's stories in verse are amazingly well-told and crafted.

Hey, the way I see it, the music (minus his singing voice on most tracks, unfortunately) is a bonus.

If you can get a child to sit down and READ & COMPREHEND much beyond a few blurps and cliches on the computer monitor, you are doing well. To get them to think deeply and appreciate ideas, you must get them interested in books.

It's not often a child prefers poetry to stories, but then I never liked to bother with poems myself, but I have changed my mind in the last few years.

And the written word, of course, is not different whether it comes on the net or in a book. The ideas are still the same, and I think the Nobel Committee might be thinking along these lines.

If you've checked book prices, the Nooks and other devices are probably worth it just so you picky sorts won't have to dust bookshelves any longer
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Oct 13, 2016 - 05:35pm PT
"Crickets are chirpin' the water is high
There's a soft cotton dress on the line hangin' dry
Window wide open African trees
Bent over backwards from a hurricane breeze
Not a word of goodbye not even a note
She gone with the man in the long black coat."
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Oct 13, 2016 - 05:37pm PT
For myself, Dylan captured a moment in time where no one else that I remember did. I remember the drop and cover under the desk drills at school. I remember the fear in our community. Deserving of the Nobel or not, I will always be thankful he wrote Hard Rain. A poem that always takes me back to that period of time. A time I never want to forget because these lessons were hard fought, and we were lucky.
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Belmont, California
Oct 13, 2016 - 05:40pm PT
Well, Bob certainly extended the Elizabethan story-telling ballad tradition passed on all the way from Greensleeves and Matty Groves via Woody Guthrie. Yeah, Dylan really is part of a long, long established English literary tradition. You just don't recognize it when it surfaces in your own time and hits you in the face.
Fuzzywuzzy

climber
suspendedhappynation
Oct 13, 2016 - 05:48pm PT
YES!!!
yanqui

climber
Balcarce, Argentina
Oct 13, 2016 - 06:02pm PT
Nobel prize poetry you can sing-along to

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Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Oct 13, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
Well that is pretty cool. Also, Dylan is a good a pick as anyone else for the times, they are'a changin.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Oct 13, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
Ferlinghetti?! You have got to be kidding. He's a second rate poet mentioned only because he has exclusively marketed the Beat poets as a means of keeping his bread buttered. A minor figure in a minor movement mentioned mostly because it sounds cool. That would gut the legitimacy of the Nobel more than awarding it to Danielle Steele. Just comparing poet to poet, Dylan has him beat hands down. I mean, come

Also, I made the point about Ellison vs. Morrison. My point was taste in literature is subjective and there are often factors to support either choice. Given that, I don't see the hand wringing over Dylan. For the first time in years, I'm excited by the selection and the Prize seems relevant.
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 13, 2016 - 07:29pm PT
Well Mr. F and Mr. G were true pioneers, but they both wished they could have done what Mr. Z did. Ginsburg even tried to imitate it.


Anyway, from that era, I rather would have seen Kesey get the prize.


Disclaimer: I have played Frisbee with Bob Dylan at Point Dume, but am not supporting the award on this basis.


nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Oct 13, 2016 - 08:23pm PT
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Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Oct 13, 2016 - 08:51pm PT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/breaking-bob-dylan-wins-2016-nobel-prize-in-literature/

The ST peanut gallery speaks, but it is irrelevant.

Speaking after the announcement, Prof Danius compared Dylan to the Ancient Greek poets: "Homer and Sappho – they wrote poetic texts that were meant to be performed with instruments . . . it's the same with Bob Dylan."

There it is. I'm glad to be alive during his lifetime and to have lived what he said and sang. And, to bump into him at The Ahwahnee in 1976, anonymously as just two people.
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 13, 2016 - 09:21pm PT
^do you recall the month? Was Kinky with him?
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2016 - 09:35pm PT
Hey Nita!
Hey Runner!


Great image of Ginsberg + Dylan up there^^
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Oct 14, 2016 - 06:24am PT
Yeah, Dylan's the equivalent of Homer and Trump's gonna be president... what the hell good was reality anyway?
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 14, 2016 - 08:20am PT
Straight out of Tarantula and/or a tenement hall

Sing, O goddess, the anger of Achilles son of Peleus, that brought
countless ills upon the Achaeans. Many a brave soul did it send
hurrying down to Hades, and many a hero did it yield a prey to
dogs and vultures, for so were the counsels of Jove fulfilled from
the day on which the son of Atreus, king of men, and great Achilles,
first fell out with one another

Cream stole the line, if not the riff

And the colors of the sea blind your eyes with trembling mermaids,
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses:
How his naked ears were tortured by the sirens sweetly singing,
For the sparkling waves are calling you to kiss their white-lace lips.

manuscript nitemare of cut throat high & low & behold the prophesying blind allegiance to law fox, monthly cupid & the intoxicating ghosts of dogma…
-anonymous

All that having been pasted, you know what Dylan says about awards right?

"tell them to give it to Donovan."


Why you ask?

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AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Oct 15, 2016 - 08:27am PT
I went to a concert celebrating the anniversary of the release of Blood on the Tracks.
The band leader told a story of flying across Minnesota on a passenger jet and looking at the flight monitor (you know the screen with the location of the plane with distances and major cities marked).
Marked on the map was the town of Hibbing.
The programmer must have been a Dylan fan.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Oct 15, 2016 - 11:20am PT
I am a proud, elist lit snob and took a couple years worth of classes at UCLA getting my degree, including "weeder" courses intended for those considering graduate school. I can tell sycorax loves his lit (and Faulkner--one of my heroes) given his Yoknapatawpha County reference. However, it is because I am a lit snob that I've been disappointed by the Academy's typical method of choosing a winner based upon unrepresented geography or sex, politically expedient ideas and the like. Often their choices are, in some instances, disappointing or, in other instances, a bad joke. In that sense, though Dylan is not an author, I found his selection no worse than many past choices and, given the quality of his songwriting and a well established literary past of lyric poetry, far better than some who could have received it. It's not a perfect process, I get that. But I for one who have been apoplectic if someone like sycorax's suggestion of Lawrence Ferlinghetti (or similar) would have won it. That would have undermined the value of the award far more than giving it to an outsider like Bob Dylan.
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