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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 10, 2016 - 02:52pm PT
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bear-attack-sierra-madre-hiker-20161010-snap-story.html

A hiker has been hospitalized after a bear attack in the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains near Sierra Madre, authorities said Monday.

The hiker was attacked about 10:45 a.m. about two miles north of Bailey Canyon Wilderness Park near George’s Cabin and rushed the hospital, the state Department of Fish and Wildlife said. The condition of the hiker and the whereabouts of the bear were not immediately known.

The hiker was alone when he said a bear appeared ahead of him in the middle of the trail and stood on its hind legs, said DFW spokesman Andrew Hughan. The hiker told authorities the bear was taller than him, meaning it was a full grown adult, Hughan said.

A few seconds after the bear stood up, the hiker said he was attacked by a second ursine that “came out of nowhere,” Hughan said.

“This typically will be a few seconds, but I’m sure it felt a lot longer,” he said.

After the attack, the bears ran off and the man got up and returned to the trail head where he called 911, Hughan said.

The hiker suffered “several cuts and scratches and possible puncture wounds,” Hughan said.

Two game wardens were now in the area searching for the bear. If they determine it is the bear responsible for the attack it will be euthanized per department policy, he said.

California Department of Fish and Wildlife officers were headed to the area, agency spokesman Andrew Hughan said.

The park is part of a small nature-study area with trails and oak trees, and is surrounded by quiet residential streets. The park and the hiking trail leading up to the attack site have been closed until further notice, authorities said.

There's usually a bit of water in Bailey Canyon above the foundations. The last time I was up that way with the dog she went nuts for a bit.
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Oct 10, 2016 - 02:58pm PT
It's always the one you don't see!
Sorry this happened, looks like he got between them and got tag teamed!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 10, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
I guess I can scratch that trail off the list, as long as the wife is along.
What's really good is that I was going to go up there this morning but then
something came up. I guess you could say 'Saved by the Honey Do List'!
couchmaster

climber
Oct 10, 2016 - 04:22pm PT

They were filming another episode of "When Good Bears Go Bad"?

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Oct 10, 2016 - 04:38pm PT
I've seen two different mom w/2 cubs around here lately. Perhaps the kids were nearby?

Killing the bear is f'd up, even worse if it's a mom with kids. Sh#t,

Caught these kids playing in my patio fountain a couple weeks ago. Mom was surely nearby (I took the pic from inside the house).

Studly

Trad climber
WA
Oct 10, 2016 - 04:39pm PT
instead of shootng the bears, maybe they could ask people to wear a bell or make noise as they hike. But that would be so inconvenient, and not environmentally friendly with the noise pollution and all.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 10, 2016 - 04:40pm PT
Kris, did you know one those cubs was hit by a car in front of our house
last week?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 10, 2016 - 04:50pm PT
maybe they could ask people to wear a bell or make noise as they hike.

That's not an issue on that trail on weekends but it is quite deserted on
weekdays. I've been waiting for a solo hiker with ear buds to get bitten
by a buzzworm cause he had his tunes cranked. I hike that trail alone a
lot but I figure my poles clicking on all the rocks keep me safe from the
buzzworms and Yogi. I figure my moaning helps, too. And, yes, I know that
buzzworms can't hear but they are very sensitive to vibrations so that's
why I believe poles are excellent for giving them a heads up. That didn't
help me a few months ago on the Mt Wilson Trail when one launched himself
at me from a rock above my head! As a buzzworm lover I have to say that
was a trifle unexpected, if not uncalled for! ;-)
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Oct 10, 2016 - 05:17pm PT
Cute bear cubs. Sad to hear one of them got hit. Animals always lose when it comes to dealing with humans, sadly.

Re:
That didn't help me a few months ago on the Mt Wilson Trail when one launched himself at me from a rock above my head!
That's crazy. That's like a snake off its meds. I was riding my bike on the Toll Road a few weeks back and the sketchiest thing I saw were some tarantula hawks (not that I'd want to mess with those either).
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 10, 2016 - 05:24pm PT
Fat Dad, we talked about it afterwards and parted friends...


NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Oct 10, 2016 - 05:51pm PT
Whoa, the bears gettin' all velociraptor jurassic park on him!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 10, 2016 - 06:07pm PT
Kris, as a bear lover myself, I can see your point.

However, it is wrong. And I mean that in the face of possible options. They involve vast expenses to mainly make people feel better, then end up not working anyway.

Black bears in Ca have been on a major growth spurt for a century. There is no shortage of them, either regionally, or in the State.

There is probably a genetic issue of aggression, in these creatures who are generally quite shy. Not passing that aggression on is a worthy goal.

Spending 20,000 to fail again, again, and again, is nuts.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 10, 2016 - 06:41pm PT
Nice pic, Reilly!
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 10, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
Killing the bear is f'd up, even worse if it's a mom with kids. Sh#t,



Agreed, but when the powers that be don't have a clue on what to do, they resort to doing the most expedient thing, unfortunately.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Oct 10, 2016 - 10:12pm PT
Kris, did you know one those cubs was hit by a car in front of our house last week?

That totally sucks. Damn.

Ken, I get your point. It just grieves me. And a lot of it is due to stupid people. We moved into this house about ten years ago. The previous owners had a lot of big parties (political types) and were careless about trash. We had a bear problem. A locking trash can solved that one. Yeah they're coming down now but it's for water. I can't deny them that.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 10, 2016 - 10:15pm PT
Ken, I get your point. It just grieves me. And a lot of it is due to stupid people. We moved into this house about ten years ago. The previous owners had a lot of big parties (political types) and were careless about trash. We had a bear problem. A locking trash can solved that one. Yeah they're coming down now but it's for water. I can't deny them that.

Certainly can't disagree with that.
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
Oct 11, 2016 - 06:52am PT
Cute photo, Ksolem! Sorry to hear one of them got hit, though :(
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Oct 11, 2016 - 08:45am PT
The Reintroduce The Grizzly crowd may regret their position when they see their garbage man show up on trash day with a shotgun slung over his shoulder - because that's how they roll in brown bear country.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 11, 2016 - 08:45am PT
Whoa, the bears gettin' all velociraptor jurassic park on him!

lol... exactly what I thought...

Not good if they're exhibiting pack behavior when hunting. Although they clearly didn't want to kill the guy. Maybe they get hikers to drop their packs or something.

Hopefully they kill the right bears. Hard to identify who is who....
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 11, 2016 - 08:51am PT
Hard to identify who is who

^^^^ My thoughts exactly. Sounds like two JD males tryin' out some gangsta moves.
Are the two Fish and Feathers officers gonna do the ol' good cop/bad cop or are they
gonna take scrapings from their finger nails? My money is on them offing the both of 'em.
Meanwhile I got nowhere to go for a hike. That's effed up.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Oct 11, 2016 - 12:13pm PT
The more I read about this "attack" the more it looks like the bear used just about the gentlest means at its disposal to say "scram!"

It seems all the bear did was push the guy down, his scrapes and scratches were sustained in the fall. If the bear meant to harm the guy there's no way he could have strolled on down and dialed 911.

If this scenario is correct, then if it were me I'd have kept my mouth shut. Maybe told a few friends and called it a day.
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 11, 2016 - 12:28pm PT
After pacing a mountain lion down Mt. Laguna in the dark one night I researched the risk of cougar attack. It is very minimal, but we did invest in a can of bear spray

Anybody checked the bear literature?

Goldilocks doesn't count.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 11, 2016 - 12:44pm PT
Ken, I get your point. It just grieves me. And a lot of it is due to stupid people.

Amen, Kris and Ken. Once at White Wolf, and once on the way to Half Dome, I discovered that bear cubs were near, and Momma let me know where she was, and where I'd better not be. In my experience (and I had a lot, camping along the Tioga Road over the last six decades), black bears usually give rather strong hints when I need to get out of there.

The scariest encounter, though, was when a male bear showed up to battle a mother and two cubs in the late, great Smokey Jack campground. The adults started smacking each around and I had visions of one or both of them rolling over my tent. I quickly moved to the car, but it took me a while to get back to sleep.

Reintroduce grizzlies to California? No, thank you. When I could see that the rangers in Glacier were afraid of them, I was grateful they're limited to our state flag and zoos.

John
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Oct 11, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
The problem is simple and I am surprised none of you appear to know.

It is our responsibility to take necessary precautions with animals. The Brutus way of either killing them on-sight, after an attack or just plain rid them of their existence so we feel safe is as bad or worse than voting for Trump.

Let's Be Responsible
Americans for the
First Time!

What ever happened to respecting the wildlife while in its home? It's how I was taught and when in the free air of the wilds the only way to be, all other forms are just based on arrogance/fear.

It will only get worse for the animals if humans don't take a stance of responsibility and/or just staying the frick out of the animals homes as we build deeper and deeper into the wildlands and increase the WUI to unsustainable levels.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 11, 2016 - 02:38pm PT
The problem is simple and I am surprised none of you appear to know.

Oh, like most of us here don't have a clue? Yer audience is the 10 million
people who live within an hour's drive of Bailey Cyn, many of whom are hard
pressed to get their shoes on the correct foot, let alone avail themselves
of the pertinent bear beta. It is also entirely possible that all the
self-appointed pundits here have made incorrect assumptions about this guy.
He may have been making noise, he may have acted correctly with respect to
the first bear, and may only have been guilty of not checking his six.
He probably wasn't making as much noise as I was the last time I went for
an unarmed hike on Kodiak Island though.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Oct 11, 2016 - 02:42pm PT
The latest in the local news is interesting. Certainly not something you'd want to interrupt.

Sounds like the guy got more than a tap on the shoulder after all.

california/monrovia/bear-attack-victim-might-have-interrupted-mating-session-officials-said?
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Oct 11, 2016 - 02:55pm PT
Oh, like most of us here don't have a clue?

I didn't see anything about personal responsibility, that was my point. Habituation and living in their homes does far more harm than the other folks you appear to be calling stupid. Good for you KH(Kodiak Hiker)!! You da man!
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Oct 11, 2016 - 03:39pm PT
zBrown, I know what you mean. I was on Mt. Si outside of North Bend, Wa on the east end away from the Haystack trail, as I wanted some solitude. There was still snow at the top. I was walking along and kept hearing a sort of rumbling noise but didn't really make the connection until I sat down for lunch and noticed the paw prints in the snow. I could put my whole hand, with fingertips curled, in them. I finally, stupid as I was, realized the noise I had been hearing was a f*#king big cougar telling me to leave. I got up and carefully backtracked; he followed for a bit until I was out of his territory. Scared the sh#t out of me, especially as I was alone and at least an hour and a half from humans. I had my wife's cell phone, but of course the battery was dead.....
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 11, 2016 - 04:33pm PT
Funny coincidence WM. We saw some very big paw prints exiting a stream about 25 yards from the trailhead where the car was.

Michele who was with me claimed to hear 'rumbling' which I dismissed as a distant motorcycle.

On the bear front, approx 750,000 black bears account for less than one human death per year on average.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 11, 2016 - 05:03pm PT
When you've put yer size 11 fully inside a print, with room to spare,
you know you're way down on the food chain. And that was the forepaw.
The rear paw was twice as big.

When you've gotten out of yer sleeping bag and found leopard prints
ten feet from yer bivy sac you know yer a lucky mofo. ;-)
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 11, 2016 - 07:03pm PT


What's the real Treasure? Controlling the Bears?? Controlling the Climate??? Controlling the Gold??? Or Controlling oneself.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Oct 11, 2016 - 07:47pm PT
When animals are surprised they attack, so it could have been a mating pair.
...
Richman said he yelled as loud as he could in hopes of scaring the bear off, but as he backed away, he encountered a second bear, leaving him trapped. He said he tried to run, but the second bear grabbed him, first by the wrist and then on a leg.

"I pretty much right away felt its strength, and then it got me down on the ground," he said. "I was on my hands and knees and it had its mouth around my neck."

Richman said he decided to remain quiet and perfectly still, and the bear released him.
#runlikehell seems like a bad choice, though maybe hard to suppress that response!
#youdontexpectthesecondbear
#I_saw_her_first
#no_mixed_threesomes
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 11, 2016 - 08:00pm PT
Not a mating pair - two immature males.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Oct 11, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
It may have been mating with the hiker...?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2016 - 08:15pm PT
The mouth around the neck thing sounds kinda scary. Gulp!

A couple of weeks ago a bear came down Lima St rummaging through the trash cans. Several months ago a lion come down Lima. The next night a lion was seen dragging a deer carcass down Carter.

Deer are now regulars on Sturtevant in Sierra Madre.

Two months ago the wife and her friend saw a mother and two cubs at Orchard Camp.

No water in Bailey up at the old foundations. No water at First Water on the Mt. Wilson Trail. Even the ceanothus is dying up there.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Oct 11, 2016 - 08:29pm PT
You've got to distract them.

"Look! An eagle!" usually works

[Click to View YouTube Video]
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 11, 2016 - 08:32pm PT
Nobody has said. Were they wearing clown masks?

Bears do practice homosexuality.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2016 - 09:41am PT
The trails are open today. Went as far as McClure Saddle, no bears!
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Oct 15, 2016 - 11:16am PT
I was in the woods today collecting blackberries, a favourite of black bears, but I saw no bears.

Oh wait, I am in Ireland, there are no bears, duh...

Flip Flop, that John West ad is hilarious. I haven't seen it before.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 15, 2016 - 11:50am PT
The trails are open today. Went as far as McClure Saddle, no bears!

sure there aren't :-)
otisdog

Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
Oct 15, 2016 - 06:56pm PT
Any word on the bear's fate?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 15, 2016 - 06:58pm PT
Gary drove him to SoYo.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Oct 15, 2016 - 09:45pm PT
Reilly must have gotten his bear costume back from the cleaners..?
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Kelly Morgan, Whitefish MT
Oct 15, 2016 - 10:24pm PT
They'll never get all the Moss out of that costume. 8^)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 15, 2016 - 10:29pm PT
Went up Mt Wilson Trail this evening and scored BOOTY from the trailhead terror campaign!


La femme did insist on taking a can of bear spray along.

"But I already took a shower this week!"
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Oct 15, 2016 - 10:34pm PT
Reilly...Where did you shower...? Solems front yard...?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2016 - 09:05am PT
Any word on the bear's fate?

The little woman talked to a deputy at Bailey Canyon. He said they never found a bear, so it looks like they got away.
Caz

Big Wall climber
Long Beach, CA.
Oct 16, 2016 - 06:04pm PT
I've got 2 races coming up in the next few months on those trails...
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2016 - 07:54am PT
You know the deal, you don't have to outrun the bear...
otisdog

Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
Oct 20, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
Heard on the radio this morning that DFG people believe that hiker actually got between a sow and her cub. Given that, they believe the bear's actions as normal, and will take no further action in regards to tracking and euthanization.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 20, 2016 - 07:08pm PT
My neighbor, who is privy to all sorts of local beta, just told me the same. That doesn't jive
with the hiker's story of two big bears unless it was a case of a kid that wouldn't leave.
otisdog

Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
Oct 22, 2016 - 07:07am PT
Damn, just flattened the neighborhood alpha male coyote with my truck on the way to work on Baldwin.
Shitty way to start the day...
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 22, 2016 - 09:04am PT
Heard on the radio this morning that DFG people believe that hiker actually got between a sow and her cub. Given that, they believe the bear's actions as normal, and will take no further action in

Hmm. I heard just the opposite. One of the news people on the radio said that the DFG found a bear, and euthanized it.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 22, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
Went to Orchard Camp at the crack of noon today and missed the bar there by ten minutes!
Guess he was just sitting on the old steps watching hikers walk by!

How do you lose yer poles?
psykokid

Mountain climber
Pasadena
Oct 22, 2016 - 04:07pm PT
https://cdfgnews.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/cdfw-determines-female-bear-attacked-southern-california-man/

Investigators from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife (CDFW) have concluded the investigation of a bear attack on a Southern California man last Monday. CDFW is unable to confirm the current location of the bear. No further efforts will be made to trap and/or euthanize the bear.

“If it was a mother bear and her young, and the hiker came between the two through no fault of his own, it was just bad luck for them both,” said CDFW Senior Environmental Scientist Rick Mayfield. “We are very thankful the individual’s injuries were not life-threatening, and fortunately, he will recover.”
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