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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2016 - 12:17pm PT
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haven't been following US politics too much, but surely Trump isn't going to win...........................................................right?!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Boise, ID
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Let's hope you're right.
I moved to Boise because it's nice here and all the things I like are fairly close by.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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As a medical professional you can probably command a good salary, so there are lots of options. In Boulder the median price of a home is roughly .5 million, and, from what I've read here, in San Jose that would get you a fixer-upper with cockroaches.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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If you're into alpine then Washington is the only place to live.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Reno is level2?
Tahoe/Mammoth/Yosemite and all eastern Sierra are within striking distance
Reach out to Footloose who posts here- he's somewhere between Reno and Tahoe to think.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Utah?
I'd say Colorado but snow in the winter may drive you indoors, not good. Boise is a good suggestion.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Salt Lake City, Sacramento, Albuquerque, Boise, Spokane, Portland..and more.
I'm not going to try to get into the where of sport, gym, Alpine etc.
All the great cities of the west are within reach of greatness. Wages and quality living at home, where you spend most of your time are key, it seems to me.
Example: Albuquerque doesn't get enough credit, for being almost another country culturally, next to 10,000 ft peaks, Alpine rock climbing, great food, clip ups, Rockies within pretty easy reach etc.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Montrose, Colorado. You could live in the country south of town and be twenty minutes from both work and excellent sport (on three rock types) and superb seasonal ice climbing in Ouray. You would be an hour from some of America's best multipitch trad in the Black Canyon and world class hiking in the San Juan mountains. You would also be in easy striking distance of Indian Creek and Desert Towers.
Montrose has a good hospital. Chris Ryder, a 5.13 climber, is an anethesiologist there. It's a beautiful area and housing is considerably less expensive than Boulder or Bishop. I live in Ouray and love it. There is a very active climbing and backcountry ski community.
Montrose has about 15,000 inhabitants and is 5,700 feet above sea level. As you move south towards Ridgway 25 miles away and Ouray 35 miles there are more elk than people and the elevation gradually rises to 7,700 feet.
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Crazy Bat
Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
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Think about Chattanooga Tennessee. Where else can you get so many double letters? Google Sunset Rock, Pigeon Mountain, Tennessee Wall, Dennys Cove, Little River Canyon, Cherokee Rock Village, Foster Falls. There is an active Climbing group with a great website called the Southeast Climbers Coalition.
If you need a bigger Medical Complex consider Nashville and Vanderbuilt or Birmingham Alabama with the University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB). For after work climbing Chattanooga would rock. There is so much rock I only know of one climbing gym. The weather is moderate, allowing climbing year round. Not much Ice Climbing though.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Don't move to Santa Cruz, it sucks.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Think about Chattanooga Tennessee.
Right. Because it's so close to the alpine climbing the OP said he wanted to be close to.
Not.
And a question for the OP: Are you able to live in Canada? Not that there aren't great places that match your criteria in the US, but your options increase substantially if you look north of the US border as well.
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couchmaster
climber
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Montrose. Fantastic area, Domini has it. North Cascades a distant second.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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...a major hospital nearby...
...near or in the mountains at altitude...
...lots of opportunity for sport, trad and alpine... You got a lot of advice, but not all of the suggestions meet all of your criteria, especially the altitude criteria.
Boulder is extremely expensive, and unless you're rich and already have a well-paid job lined up, you'll be sharing an apartment with of 3 other people and barely scraping by. Forget about buying a house...
Denver and Colorado Springs areas are better choices
-Not so expensive
-High altitude (4,000 - 5,000 feet)
-lot of climbing nearby
-big hospitals all over the place
Western Colorado is also not a bad choice
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Scott McNamara
climber
Tucson, Arizona
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You might consider Flagstaff, Arizona.
As far a rock climbing is concerned, it has a great deal. In addition, it is located so that Lemmon, JT, Red Rocks, Moab are all very accessible.
It has a Level 1 Trauma center. An acquaintance, who is a cutter and used to occasionally write a medical column for Climbing, settled there.
While it does not have alpine or ice, it is so located that these types of climbing are not a horrendous drive.
It is a very livable town, albeit it somewhat expensive.
http://www.flagstaff.az.gov/index.aspx?nid=2
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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I really like the San Juans. Flagstaff has the Grand Canyon, it is not alpine except maybe briefly in the winter after a storm on the rim, but it has a lifetime of adventures.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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They don't allow mas#@&%es west of the Mississippi. Hmm, I guess you can't say mass hole.
Just kidding. I think you'd get better responses listing the level 2 trauma centers in the mountains and where they are, then the posters could fill you in on the climbing around them.
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
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wow thanks a lot for all the replies!! I will definitely look into all those places. Other things I could have probably mentioned is availability of ski touring nearby and a progressive mindset in the community, but I don't want the list of prerequisites to run off the page...
And a question for the OP: Are you able to live in Canada? Not that there aren't great places that match your criteria in the US, but your options increase substantially if you look north of the US border as well.
Unfortunately Canada has a different exam and licensing procedure from the US so unless I spend significant amount of money & time on that, I would not be able to work in Canada.
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2016 - 06:05pm PT
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Reno is level2?
Tahoe/Mammoth/Yosemite and all eastern Sierra are within striking distance
Reach out to Footloose who posts here- he's somewhere between Reno and Tahoe to think.
Reno does indeed have a level 2 trauma center but unfortunately all the surgical training posts of Nevada are located in Vegas...not wanting to offend anyone from Vegas, but I really can't see a blissful life there for me....
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2016 - 06:10pm PT
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I think you'd get better responses listing the level 2 trauma centers in the mountains and where they are, then the posters could fill you in on the climbing around them.
http://www.amtrauma.org/?page=findtraumacenter
select green and red pins would list all the lvl 1 and 2 trauma centers...interestingly, notice the striking difference between east and west of the Mississippi...
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curt wohlgemuth
Social climber
Bay Area, California
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From what I can parse, it looks like you need a fairly large area -- i.e., if Reno is too small to have a posting for you, then forget about Bishop and towns of that size.
If alpine climbing is a "must have", I'd definitely concentrate on Colorado. Yes, Boulder is very pricey. Denver is a big sprawl. You might have luck elsewhere in the front range (CO Springs, as someone upthread mentioned, or look the other direction towards Ft Collins). Anywhere in the front range should be close enough to RMNP for your alpine climbing fix.
Have fun, sounds like a great predicament to be in!
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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but I really can't see a blissful life there for me
Maybe some of the Vegas folks can chime in. I used to think the same thing but I've heard from many outdoor folks they are very happy living there. Red Rocks, reasonable driving to many other areas, i.e. Joshua Tree. My very outdoorsy niece lived there for several years and liked it a great deal.
Susan
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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. . . a progressive mindset in the community
Think twice about Montrose.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Anchorage! Every thing you need except altitude which you won't need because it's so far north.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Salt Lake City area has fantastic access to mountains, skiing, ice climbing usually decent, reasonable access to Indian Creek, Zion, can get up to Jackson Hole in the summer
big metropolitan area with plenty of folks getting sick and injured
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2016 - 08:27pm PT
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Anchorage! Every thing you need except altitude which you won't need because it's so far north.
i lived in alaska for a year a few years back...amazing place but cragging is sh#t...!
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2016 - 08:28pm PT
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Salt Lake City area has fantastic access to mountains, skiing, ice climbing usually decent, reasonable access to Indian Creek, Zion, can get up to Jackson Hole in the summer
...and a progressive mindset....?!
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Boulder
Bozeman
Truckee
Bend
Durango
Jackson
Um, no, SLC is the opposite of progressive.
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Al Barkamps
Social climber
Red Stick
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Will you be your wearing Red Sox hat?
If so, fugoff.
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WBraun
climber
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A real doctor goes to the most deplorable place where sickness is the worst and have no real cares for their own selves.
There's no real doctors anymore.
Maybe two or three left on the whole planet .....
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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...and a progressive mindset....?!
perhaps it's your mindset that's not progressive
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Cody, WY
near or in the mountains at altitude...nothing beats living with a mountain view and fresh air...
---check
lots of opportunity for sport, trad (<30 min drive?!) and alpine climbing not far away (<1-2 hr drive?!)...So it is pretty important to have long alpine rock/mixed/ice routes accessible.
---check, check, check
200+ sport routes within 5 miles,
Hundreds of trad routes within 5 miles,
[I've rock climbed every month in the last two years, winter days can actually be enjoyable!]
Hundreds of ice pitches within the 1-2 hour range (including the Southfork with 200-300 pitches, under an hour),
Alpine (a dozen lifetimes worth)
a friendly and simple climbing community would be great.
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a major hospital nearby (preferably with a level 2 trauma center) - unfortunately for climbing my profession is in medicine...
---Can't check that, but Cody's hospital is undergoing a large expansion and they are aggressively recruiting all levels of medical professionals. Not a major hospital, but they are working to be the regional center.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I was going to say Reno, but seems like you've ruled that out. Flagstaff would be my second choice, but the alpine climbing is more than two hours away. Still, you would only be a day's drive from the Sierra, to the west, or the Rockies, to the east.
Flagstaff is a great town.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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You're really going to need to do a road trip.
Progressive mindset:
Bend, OR. (really beautiful, nice town, smith rock, great skiing, not cheap anymore)
Less progressive:
Reno (it'll take you 45 minutes + to get anywhere, but when you get there it's great)
Ogden (I don't know about alpine climbing but Ogden is a very tempting place IMO, affordable, easy access, close to great, uncrowded skiing and climbing)
Boise
Colorado:
Grand Junction
Denver/Boulder/Colorado springs as mentioned.
Not in the mountains but close:
Bellingham or Everett, WA
Anchorage, AK (if you can bring a woman with you) Best alpine climbing, not a whole lot of easily accessible quality trad/sport though. Winters aren't so bad, but summer is barely summer.
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JC Marin
Trad climber
CA
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Can you stay in Europe? Might be your best bet...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Could you be more specific on the "medicine" issue? What sort of position are you seeking? Currently MD? Seeking residency? Fellowship? Surgery?
ER?
There are several docs on ST, and may have suggestions or knowledge specific to your needs.
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2016 - 11:28am PT
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Will you be your wearing Red Sox hat?
If so, fugoff.
last time i cheered for red sox, a girl from NY on my freshman floor burned my wardrobe. red sox wouldn't pay for the damage, so i stopped cheering them on.
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2016 - 11:36am PT
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A real doctor goes to the most deplorable place where sickness is the worst and have no real cares for their own selves.
There's no real doctors anymore.
Maybe two or three left on the whole planet .....
i happen to care about who my neighbors might be and where i make my recreations so that makes me a poor choice for a doctor? we treat everyone that needs treatment to the best we can, but we are human and reserve the right to privately judge someone, for instance those who vote for Trump, as long as it does not affect our professional judgement. Also, there are a ton of real doctors out there who travel to war zones to treat and to underdeveloped countries to help train local health personnel. You just have to look a bit further than your GP to know.
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2016 - 11:38am PT
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Could you be more specific on the "medicine" issue? What sort of position are you seeking? Currently MD? Seeking residency? Fellowship? Surgery?
ER?
There are several docs on ST, and may have suggestions or knowledge specific to your needs.
i'll be looking to start surgical residency.
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2016 - 11:52am PT
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Can you stay in Europe? Might be your best bet...
it's a possibility but that involves a marriage that i'm not ready to commit to...i didn't say that.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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i'll be looking to start surgical residency.
Don't sweat this decision. You won't have time to be going climbing. Not if you are in a serious program. I'd strongly recommend a large county hospital, like Fresno, Bakersfield (I did Fam Pract in Bakersfield).
You shouldn't skimp on your clinical exposure during residency, and if you are in an academic or private center, you won't get nearly the same experience. If you want to go into clinical practice, it won't matter where you are from (but what experience you bring), but if you want to go into academic medicine, then the pedigree can matter.
At Bakersfield, all the residents moonlight in area ERs, and make a lot of money doing so. Most paid off all their debt. No Fellows stealing your cases.
I put in more swans as an intern, than one of my classmates who went to UCLA in his entire residency and fellowship in cardiology. If you go to a community county center, you'll operate. If you go to a private or academic, you'll spend years holding retractors.
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2016 - 12:36pm PT
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Thanks Ken for this very heartfelt advice - i have heard it before about country hospitals and will take the advice very seriously. As far as not having time for climbing, it is a major concern. I'm taking some time off now to pursue some serious objectives that have been on my mind for some time so i should be more at peace later. Perhaps I can steal a few hours not moonlight to climb a bit - one of the major perks of going to an European school is that I have very little debt. Thanks again!
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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You're blowing it. Marry the richest EuroBabe you can find.
Or go to Vancouver.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Good on the debt front, but when faced with a potential income stream that can cost you thousands, just to take a couple of days to go climbing, it is hard to give it up. It's that way in practice, too.
G'luck.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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I earlier mentioned the Montrose/Ouray area as a possibility. The hospital may not be big enough....Grand Junction another hour north might fit the bill.
If you need a large metro area the Boulder/Denver area is FAR superior to areas in California, Washington or Oregon. You would be living at some altitude with far better access to climbing and skiing. I have pursued climbing throughout the West for the last half century and have spent time in or near most venues mentioned. Forget Vegas.
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steve s
Trad climber
eldo
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Forget Vancouver too! Health care system is amateurish. Beautiful city though.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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. . . a progressive mindset in the community
Montrose & Grand Junction?
Boulder & Denver much better choices IMHO.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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i'll be looking to start surgical residency Dude, you are f*#ked for the next 7 years. I did only 3 years.
Don't turn into the typical as#@&%e surgeon, please, the surgical hazing has a nasty way of making that happen. keep your perspective and don't let the sleep deprivation destroy you. I often got only 25 hours of sleep a week. For some stupid reason, they expect you to learn and function as a walking zombie.
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altelis
Mountain climber
NM
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Hey man, Im in year 4 of 5 of my orthopedic residency, plus looking at one more to do a fellowship in ortho trauma.
I'm currently at UNM, in Albuquerque. I would second survival's suggestion. Regional Level 1 trauma center. The hospital is the ONLY trauma center in the state, and takes patients from CO, TX, AZ. We see pathology here that you won't see anywhere else given the massively poor, rural and indigent population we serve.
You can climb outside or mountain bike within 15 minutes of the hospital every day Spring-Fall, and many winter days. Alpine trad routes in your back yard. Unbelievable skiing and alpine climbing are available but take a weekend to do.
I absolutely LOVE the orthopedic department here. If you are going into general surgery, I would strongly recommend the city and the pathology seen. The gen surg program can be a bit, well, "east coast'ish" (and i know this first hand, having done med school in DC), and works worse longer hours than we do in Ortho.
My other suggestion is to find a program/setting that makes you happy first of all (that is where you spend majority of your time), and then offers SUPER EASY access to 1-2 of the sports you love to do.
I spent many years between undergrad (as a philosophy major, so didn't really work all that hard) and med school doing nothing but climbing/skiing/biking/living. You need to really pare down what you do during residency, at least the majority of the time. Maybe you can't jet and alpine climb most weekends some places, but hey, maybe you are able to climb or bike many days after work. Or maybe you can alpine climb every weekend, but the trade off may be that you spend most days after work in the gym.
I've done the same search as you (though again, Ortho and Gen Surg positions are different and in different places), and the above is the realization I came to rather quickly.
Climbing/skiing/what have you is important to keep up, but truly don't underestimate a department that is supportive, values what you value, and gives you time to be human. I purposefully avoided Colorado's ortho program because of just those issues, despite it being the only Ortho program in Colorado.
If you're interested in chatting about the town and the hospital lemme know.
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2016 - 10:52am PT
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Altelis, yes I would absolutely love to chat!
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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And a question for the OP: Are you able to live in Canada? Not that there aren't great places that match your criteria in the US, but your options increase substantially if you look north of the US border as well.
I think a bunch of us are headed that way David, after the current political Mickey Mouse Show comes to it's final conclusion. Depending on how it goes, it will involve completely different sorts of people, though. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha. :-)
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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I am living in NM for work these days. There is good access to alpine climbing and skiing. Tons of rock climbing. No crowds (or really any other people at all).
I wouldn't say ABQ Is a particularly charming city but I live in Santa Fe so I might be missing something. Also NM is a poor rural state and has all of the problems that go along with that. Probably good for someone studying trauma!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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If by "progessive mindset," you mean fashionably left of center, neither Bakersfield nor Fresno qualify. We tend to elect "Valleycrats" and "Valleycans," and those tend strongly toward the center.
In addition, both areas, but particularly Fresno, require quite a drive to get to good alpine routes. They do, however, offer great surgical training, I'm told (my lifelong best friend is a radiologist here, and through him and my wife (a former surgical nurse), I've gotten to know a great deal about the local medical scene). They also offer proximity to first-rate rock climbing of all types. My friend the radiologist did his residency at U Dub in Seattle, and it's hard to beat that area for mountaineering proximity to a major metropolitan area.
If you're interested in central California, I'd contact Ken M, who not only has experience as both a climber and a doc, but is also extremely intelligent and helpful, despite his tendency toward differing from me politically at times.
John
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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<blushing>
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Ghost wrote:
"Are you able to live in Canada?" Major Ontario hospitals reserve 15 to 20% of all positions for out of country qualified residents.
At the same time Ontario doctors are without a contract for the last few years because Ontario government is running out of money.
Use Google to learn more about these negotiations.
I suspect that situation in BC or Alberta is pretty similar.
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Impaler
Social climber
Oakland
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Salt lake city would be a REALLY good choice for recreation. I would totally move there if I could find a job there. I wouldn't worry about progressive community. Sure, it's a very red state, but it's a very clean city, people are super nice, breweries are awesome (don't listen to what people tell you about the weak beer) and there is definitely a small subset of population who are definitely very progressively minded and have moved there because of the amazing recreational opportunities. You can be bouldering, sport climbing, plugging gear into cracks, or backcountry skiing within 15-20 min of the city. Within 1-2 hrs you have a lifetime of climbing.
By the way Bakersfield and Fresno have the worst air quality of the entire country:
http://www.valleyair.org/waaqs/naqiapp.aspx?a=Bakersfield,%20CA,%20United%20States
Drought is making San Joaquin Valley's bad air worse
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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This is the city. Los Angeles, California.
You'll find a level 2 trauma center, or two. You have surfing, and rock climbing all around you. Tahquitz and Joshua Tree are just a couple of hours distant. A few hours drive has you at the greatest range of mountains in the world. There's a 10,000 foot mountain complete with bighorn sheep within 20 miles of downtown LA.
I can head out my front door and in 10 minutes strolling be walking on mountain trail that can take me all the way to Canada.
And unlike those toothless redneck backwater burgs out in BFE everyone else is trying to get you to move to, you have culture. Diverse world class food, music, theater, and museums abound.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Totally! Go to L.A.
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Randall_C
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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There are a lot of great suggestions here. I would second the following:
Flagstaff, AZ: level one trauma center - progressive politically - excellent varied climbing and Colorado is close.
Bend, OR: level two trauma center - such a cool place - have no idea what the politics are like. Have had a blast every time I have been in the area.
Just my .02
Cheers
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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This is the city. Los Angeles, California.... [various good stuff]... A few hours drive has you at the greatest range of mountains in the world.
The greatest range of mountains in the world is lurking just outside Los Angeles?
Uh... Maybe for someone who's never seen a real mountain...
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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^^^
No, but we make the best of what we have. I've been all over, and I love it here.
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doc bs
Social climber
Northwest
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Seattle has short and wet rock season, though lots of gyms. For winter, the skiing is good, the back country skiing is even better... What about Wenatchee, WA? Is that big enough? That has everything and is closer to more rock.... Boise is another gem.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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You make it sound so nice! Indeed
I grew up in L.A. I interviewed for my residency in L.A.
My only memory I have of being back in L.A. was being on a 10-lane freeway at 3 o'clock in the morning, and it was stop-and-go traffic both ways - mostly stop - 10 lanes - as far as the eye could see.
And it only got worse during the day. I went to a grocery store and was stuck in the parking lot for 4 hours. The traffic in the adjacent 4-lane cross streets was grid locked and didn't move for 4 hours.
Nope, ain't doing that sh#t.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I can see Loma Linda UMC from my house.
There are two stop signs and two signals between me and Big Bear / San Gorgonio Wilderness.
I like it here.
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petersometimesclimbs
Trad climber
boston, ma
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2016 - 08:17am PT
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thanks again everyone....!! The list is overwhelmingly long! So far if i remember correct, east of the Sierra, Bend OR, front range area, a few places in CA (but not LA, no offense but I really can't stand these big cities...), and northern NM! They all sound great and give me plenty of places to apply to, but ultimately it is not entirely up to me but where a residency program finds me a suitable candidate...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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The greatest range of mountains in the world is lurking just outside Los Angeles?
Uh... Maybe for someone who's never seen a real mountain...
Hey, that's RJ Secor's opinion as well.
You make it sound so nice!
That's 'cause it is.
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a major hospital nearby (preferably with a level 2 trauma center) - unfortunately for climbing my profession is in medicine...
Let us know!