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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Sep 14, 2016 - 01:24pm PT
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Locker, try KlatchRoasting in the Upload area. They have many kinds of coffee and espresso and some of their single origin espressos are amazing. Their one from Salvador that they have right now is really good. I always make cappuccinos so I don't know how their regular coffee is but they always have a huge selection and if you order beans they come to you roasted a day or two before.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Sep 14, 2016 - 01:36pm PT
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Good new hobby. Much easier than wine but more complicated than beer and less fog inducing than weed.
I've found the DeLonghi Magnifica to be a very acceptable espresso maker. Retail price is about $1200. You can get them for less when slightly used. I got mine on sale for $400.(Score!) Lots of crema.
There are many good coffee's the trick is to get clean uniform beans.
The secret to bad coffee (Starbucks, Peet's, and other big names) is broken beans. Easy to spot.
You can clean bad coffee by sorting it on a cookie sheet. (Like we used to do to remove stems and seeds).
The big names also over roast to increase shelf life.
Dark roast is good if you want to add milk or milk foam. Strong flavor.
Medium roast is good for naturally sweet and chocolaty coffee. Needs no milk or sugar. Short shelf life, maybe one month.
Light roast is often citrus and other nice berry flavors. It is a pleasant break from other coffees. A great afternoon coffee. Short shelf life, maybe a couple of weeks.
Fresh roasted coffee needs about 5 or 6 days to be good. Yesterday or the day before is no good.
If the roasted beans smell good the coffee will be good. If they don't smell good just throw them away.
Coffee oxidizes which makes it taste sour. That is why the big guys nitrogen pack coffee.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2016 - 02:49pm PT
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Easier for me than wine, I can't drink the good stuff! Plus I am 100% caffeine addicted, and thankfully I enjoy alcohol, but I could easily live without it.
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ruppell
climber
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Sep 14, 2016 - 06:17pm PT
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skitch
You're in Bishop? Lol I had no idea when I posted that link to The Black Sheep upthread. Next time you go to Manor stop by and grab some Smart Ass from Kicking Horse. It's a tad bit dark but it's pretty damn good. I stumbled on it a few months ago. My wife picked it up as a sort of joke. Mainly because, well, I'm a smart ass.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2016 - 08:08pm PT
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I have definitely drank a lot of black sheep coffee, but in the last year the quality is super inconsistent and their is only one Barista (Charlie) that has any coffee or customer service skills. Hopefully this winter brings in some experienced baristas, and the roasting gets figured out.
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Sep 14, 2016 - 10:43pm PT
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Coffees a brilliant drug. If i got even half as loaded as i do on coffee on any other drug, even sugar let alone tequila or grass, production would taper off and id be dead in about a year. Its an addiction well worth it, with minimal negative social impact compared to other drugs too.
Id go so far as to use the production as a model process for other drugs.
Every bean is sacred. Long live the bean.
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Phil_B
Social climber
CHC, en zed
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Sep 15, 2016 - 08:57am PT
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Skitch, yeah I figured it was oxidizing. Flavor changed so much in a couple of weeks.
I have a friend who repairs food sorting machines. The first batch of food through the machine after repair often gets tossed. It's still good, but they can't afford any possible issues so they toss as a matter of course. He often just grabs that food for home use. Best was when he had a job to fix the coffee sorting machines in Kona. Scored a few pounds of green beans that job.
However, roasting green coffee beans is quite the art. The first cracking produces a sh#t ton of papery skin. The trick is stopping the roast at the right time so it isn't burnt. He found an easy way to get a blond roast was to use one of those air poppers for popcorn. If you ran it on your deck, it just blew the paper into the yard. However, for darker roasts, you'd need a way to cool the coffee quickly. Air hockey table? It'd probably get ruined from the oils in the coffee.
Maybe it's time to start thinking about getting a home roaster too. sweetmarias.com has pretty good descriptions of the how-to.
If you really want to dive into the deep end, check out this YouTube vid on coffee varietals:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Sep 15, 2016 - 09:57am PT
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who has done home roasting?
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Sep 15, 2016 - 10:32am PT
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Locker wrote: Stomach???...(EDITED: I live on Prilosec)
that's my problem. Over about a 6 month period I go from a little cup a day in the morning to twice a day mega-mugs, then the stomach starts barking and I have to lay off for a month or so before I can start the cycle anew.
the sacred mega-mug. Just had to start an off month, it's got green tea in it now.
I once had to do a Nexium regime to calm it down, and this was back when Nexium wasn't cheap. The doctor told me "in reality, just quiting coffee will do as much for you as taking these pills". Of cousre it's illegal to say such things here in Costa Rica and I think the Policia de Café came and took him away.
so, any comments on the fine art of grinding and grinders?
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Sep 15, 2016 - 11:06am PT
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I remember reading somewhere that you are not supposed to freeze coffee beans. The freezer removes moisture from the beans (it doesn't just freeze and retain the moisture in the bean)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2016 - 11:13am PT
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LittleZ, I feel yer pain! I wonder how many Italians suffer from GERD?
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2016 - 12:17pm PT
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Srbphoto: I do, look up "Carretto Roaster" if you want to see how I do it. It's a fun, but challenging hobby. I'll do an amazing roast, but then I can't duplicate it. Green coffee is only around $6-8 per pound, you lose 15% of weight when roasted.
So I roasted 2 new coffees last night, and I'm drinking one right now, a Rwandan, which is a bit premature, but it is great, there is a brown-sugar sweetness to it that is incredible. I'm super excited about this one.
Anyone living in the bishop area interested in starting up an informal coffee roasting club let me know?!? We can share beans and shipping, compare roasts and learn together this fun and relatively cheap hobby. Plus the more you learn about coffee the more you learn that you have a lot more to learn!
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Sep 15, 2016 - 05:22pm PT
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I roast green coffee. My roaster is an old popcorn maker with mods. I drink espresso so my expensive equipment is the Mazzer super jolly grinder. I pair that with a La Pavoni Europiccola and manage decent shots. I get my beans from Sweet Marias.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Sep 16, 2016 - 08:40am PT
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Jebus, have you tried the Japanese iced coffee method? Looks like the difference compared to cold brew is heated extraction then cooling rather than cold extraction.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2016 - 09:28am PT
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I'm a gen-Xer on the outside and a millennial in my head.
I don't like wine, but I definitely "look for" interesting tasting "notes" in coffee.
I really do not understand why people get bent out of shape and have strong opinions about other people's preferences. My guess is people just try to start fights so they can get a few seconds of attention, I know I have done that before.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 16, 2016 - 09:29am PT
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Who the phuk has time for dripping, especially in this crowd? Ya gotta grind and boil and
wait and clean up and worry about re-cycling and all that shet! Fire that espresso machine
up and get on with it!
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2016 - 09:50am PT
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Just one more religion to fight about??? No thank you.
Just like I don't want the Mormons telling me how great their way of living is, but I'm fine with them making their choices, I believe their are multiple ways to get caffeine into your brain and its up to you to choose your personal favorite.
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Branscomb
Trad climber
Lander, WY
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Sep 16, 2016 - 09:52am PT
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Raven's Brew from SE....their Dead Man's Reach-yeah! That is THE STUFF. Saved many a rainy day in Ketchikan.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Sep 16, 2016 - 11:11am PT
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Smug levels :) I was chasing the perfect shot thus the mazzer. There are very good hand grinders made but I'm lazy and it gave me an excuse to run power into the cave.
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