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sasha Cohen
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 22, 2016 - 05:29pm PT
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The big city is coming to your town soon.
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sasha Cohen
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2016 - 05:43pm PT
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thanks Munge , not a troll if it's true. Besides I have no computer skills.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Aug 22, 2016 - 05:46pm PT
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And in case one doesn't click on the link, these are the plans of Chris McNamara and Cory Rich.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Aug 22, 2016 - 06:06pm PT
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I guess the question is, is this high density housing going to be affordable, or high priced second homes.
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Slym
climber
Merced, CA
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Aug 22, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
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Little of both.
As a land use planner myself -- good for Chris Mac.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Aug 22, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
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I would think that even high density (ie small quarters in close proximity) are still going to demand premium prices from the second home people. A lot of those highly paid workers in the bay area tech fields would love to have a place like that in Tahoe for weekends and vacations. Their Teslas will drive them up there.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Aug 22, 2016 - 06:24pm PT
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Bringing full-time residents and business to S. Lake Tahoe? Great idea!
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Aug 22, 2016 - 06:30pm PT
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Are climbers going to be able to live there?
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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Aug 22, 2016 - 06:57pm PT
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This set up is all the rage in SLC right now. Some go great, and are completed within a few months while others sit idle until the city council begins fining the developers for neglecting their property. All in all they seem to be a win for the both the business, and civilian communities.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Aug 22, 2016 - 07:00pm PT
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High density housing is code for FEMA concentration camps...Beware...
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sasha Cohen
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2016 - 07:15pm PT
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Been living just off Ski Run for 23 years now. I doubt this will help the housing sich.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Aug 22, 2016 - 07:19pm PT
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Like Tahoe doesn't have enough traffic.
Really they need more business?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Aug 22, 2016 - 07:29pm PT
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Yeah..Try getting on I-80 west on a weekend....Planners gotta plan
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 22, 2016 - 07:36pm PT
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I think Cmac is thinking of having it so you have to drive less in SLT. Make a community-style living areas (apartments/condos) around coffee shops, restaurants, biking trails, and maybe work too.
That's what it sounds like from the article. Maybe pretty cool if it's done right. It should 'fit in' to the vibe of the area. Not sure what he meant by architectural changes. It should retain an alpine vibe I think.
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sasha Cohen
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
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Bluering, the Ski Run area has a Mexican "Vibe" I have great neighbors, they will not benefit
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TahoeHangDogger
climber
Olympic Valley, CA
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Aug 23, 2016 - 08:34pm PT
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Still a hell of a lot better than the Squaw Valley Development... At the end of the day its south lake we're talking about here...
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Chris McNamara
SuperTopo staff member
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Aug 25, 2016 - 06:19am PT
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Here are more details in this 2 page doc titled "Tahoe Downtown, The Tahoe Trail, and The US Outdoor Hub"
Anyone interested in helping, please message me. Or post up other cool resources on the topic here.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtMFnPkkPrgOHcbVKmk8-w74H2SwLwfGYaDF7_0rJqU/edit
And the summary if you don't feel like clicking on that link:
Tahoe Downtown, The Tahoe Trail, and The US Outdoor Hub
Lake Tahoe, geographically, is one of the most amazing places on earth. But unlike Colorado or the Alps, The Lake hosts one of earth's most poorly laid out mountain towns. And the outdoor adventure/recreation potential is still largely untapped.
For a decade, I assumed that Tahoe’s, (especially South Lake’s) poor urban layout was just the way it would always be. As I came across great small towns around the world, from Carbondale, Colorado to Lauterbrunnen, Switzerland, I saw their vibrant attractions as something that could only arise from pre-car urban planning. I figured that to get my own dose of a great small town I would have to travel.
Then something changed.
I started following Tony Hsieh and the Downtown Project in Las Vegas. I read the book that inspired Tony, “The Triumph of the City” by Ed Glazer. I began to see that behind great mountain towns in Colorado were regular people taking focused action over time. And I began to see more and more of those people around Lake Tahoe.
So the question became this: Why not work to change Lake Tahoe into the most vibrant mountain community in the US? In South Lake, why not swap the stigma of trailer parks and casinos for the setting of the ultimate outdoor playground, filled with innovative people and businesses?
Three Goals by 2030
Tahoe Downtown - A true downtown by The Lake on Ski Run Blvd
A place where locals and visitors meet up
Improved commercial and residential density (end the current spread out, aging strip mall paradigm)
Improved quality of housing and affordable options
More higher-wage, year round jobs.
Raise the architectural bar.
The Tahoe Trail - a bikeable trail that goes all the way around The Lake
Tahoe becomes US Outdoor Hub through:
The most extensive trail network for hikers and bikers, especially moderate trails
The highest concentration of moderate rock climbs and boulders in the US
Community events (shows, farmer's markets, festivals).
Improved access to backcountry adventures
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snagglepuss
Mountain climber
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Aug 25, 2016 - 07:06am PT
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People breed like rabbits and then complain when it gets crowded.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Aug 25, 2016 - 07:26am PT
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What's the difference?!
Disposable income?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Aug 25, 2016 - 07:27am PT
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What's a "TAZ" ?
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Aug 25, 2016 - 07:31am PT
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What's a "TAZ" ?
Sounds like a new group of foreigners have taken over SLT
"Taz people, an ethnic group in Russia. Taz language, a form of Northeastern Mandarin spoken by the Taz people"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taz_people
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Aug 25, 2016 - 07:55am PT
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The Tahoe Trail - a bikeable trail that goes all the way around The Lake
Doesn't that already exist, i.e. The Rim Trail?
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Aug 25, 2016 - 08:45am PT
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I think it sounds great. The responsible evolution and revitalization of an area benefits the community.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 25, 2016 - 11:21am PT
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I bailed on South Shore years ago. The only thing that will get me back is if they tear it all down and rebuild in about 1/5 scale.
I don't even drive through on 50 or Kingsbury Grade if I don't need to.
But just call me the Grouchy Old Grinch.
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sasha Cohen
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2016 - 08:09pm PT
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You'all are fn' saints! Snagglepuss with 7 posts, I have no kids, and am not a rabbit.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Aug 31, 2016 - 01:17pm PT
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The highest concentration of moderate rock climbs and boulders in the US
Hyperbole?
Pretty sure Joshua Tree has Tahoe beat, but would entertain counter offers.
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Rockies Obscure
Trad climber
rockiesobscure.com....Canada
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Aug 31, 2016 - 01:56pm PT
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So the question became this: Why not work to change Lake Tahoe into the most vibrant mountain community in the US?
Cmac, and to help promote the plan, you have a great international airport in Reno, which is so nice and easy to get in/out as opposed to flying to San Fran. When I fly to SoCal i fly into John Wayne or Palm Springs, never LAX, and that helps get international folks out there faster and with more ease.
I tried both ways to get to Tahoe in the past- San fran and a 3hr drive or Reno. Coming from Canada, you get blasted with good ole California sun landing in Reno and the drive around the lake is nice after long flights.
However, someone should get into the business of RENTING bouldering pads like at Wilsons in Bishop. From Canada they charge more each way than a pad is worth.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Aug 31, 2016 - 02:55pm PT
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I think it sounds great. The responsible evolution and revitalization of an area benefits the community.
Benefits the community in which ways?
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t-bone
climber
Bishop
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Aug 31, 2016 - 02:55pm PT
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So the secret to "improve" South Lake is to remodel and charge higher rent?
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Aug 31, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
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Is Runnels gone yet?? Among top of the list places to raze and rebuild that site is up there.
South Lake should be so much more, but the entire Tahoe region suffers from a lack of "real" jobs that pay more than $9.40/hr. The tourist industry thrives on cheap labor provided by recent high school grads, immigrants or various people willing to put in an extreme effort to cobble together enough part time work to make a go in Tahoe. Aside from contractors who gouge the $hit out of second home owners, there are few trades there that offer a working wage. The region has hemorrhaged families for decades and I'm not sure how to stem that tide. More hotels, restaurants and other things that create 25 minimum wage jobs for every 1 or 2 non-minimum wage jobs isn't going to do it. That model has failed.
South Lake Tahoe is controlled by an entrenched good ole boys club and if Chris and others are kicking around some fresh ideas, we should support it with gusto. It's heartening to see the region realizing its future lies in what the surroundings offer and not those god awful casinos.
I'll second Reno as a great airport. When we lived in SLT we always used it. 4 lane highway from airport to town that almost never closes due to weather and is an easy and fast drive. You can walk from long term parking (cheap, $7/day (?)) to the check in desk in 5 minutes and security usually takes 5 minutes or less. The drive is getting shorter too with the completion of the other I-580.
I'd be interested in helping improve South Lake Tahoe in any way possible. I was a cartographer in a past career as well as urban planning enthusiast.
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