WTF? Why would board shorts be an issue at the beach?

France has a long history of treating non-natives like crap.

I am a dual French/U.S. citizen and understand both cultures pretty well. The French believe in a liberal society in which women do not cover themselves up in the name of religion. Is it not within a country's right to say "you are welcome to our country but we expect you to respect and act based on the beliefs of our society?" When I travel to a foreign country, I know that certain clothes that are okay in the U.S. are not okay abroad. I respect that and adjust my attire. I understand that if I disagree, I need to stay home rather than act in a way that doesn't align with the culture of a foreign country.

Is it not within a country's right to say "you are welcome to our country but we expect you to respect and act based on the beliefs of our society?"

Makes me think you don't know what french liberty is about

I really hope this country never becomes like that.

When I travel to a foreign country, I know that certain clothes that are okay in the U.S. are not okay abroad. I respect that and adjust my attire. I understand that if I disagree, I need to stay home rather than act in a way that doesn't align with the culture of a foreign country.

It's all a bunch of horseshit to not let someone express themselves via their dress.

We need more tolerance, not more regulations. More live and let live, less 'live under these prescribed conditions.'

Another thing burkini ban will bring them is increase in ISIS recruitment.

The concern is gross human rights violations

These are not pictures of intake process into Auschwitz, or start of Babiy Yar massacre by Ukrainian nazis, or rape camp during Yugoslavia war, but this is what comes to mind: they also liked to make people to undress.

France has a long history of treating non-natives like crap. The United States is far more inclusive

Some stunning displays of ignorance and outright stupidity.

Makes me think, when you want to tell women what to wear, under penalty of law, you should go back to where you came from, because it sure isn't the free France that I knew.

- No Dishwasher, Sewer Worker or Gardiner speaking French as a second language, shall go to the beach and have fun with their family on their day off, because they look funny.

...ever see those Frenchies on beaches outside their country?
Would be fair to say that respect for cultural norms should go both ways.

A troll was created to specifically police this thread.

From a security perspective of not being able to see someone's face?

Then glasses and hats should be banned on the beach as well.


There is no question that these bans and their enforcement are hostile to individual rights.

First off, the French don't guarantee the same rights that Americans do. They don't make any claim to and it is a bit self-centered to think the American approach should be universally adopted by all.

Why do we think the French should be coerced into adopting our societal norms?

In this case, yes, I think it both self centered and other-concerned that a ban on your religious garb is a strike against individualism and tolerance both.

From a security perspective of not being able to see someone's face?

The French clothing law is specifically a ban on full face covering in public, right?

Because we have a vested interest in avoiding the recruitment of more ISIS terrorists.

“The climate is extremely tense in the region,” Francois Pinatel, a lawyer for Villeneuve-Loubet, told the court. He said the municipal order was a necessary preventive measure. “If things are going fine now, it’s because this order was passed,” he added.

Patrice Spinosi—a lawyer for the Human Rights League, one of the groups that filed the appeal—said there had been no trouble stemming from Islamic dress on the town’s beaches before or after the ban. The language of the ban, he said, could apply to a priest’s vestments or a nun’s habit.

Mayors do not have the right to ban burkinis, France's highest administrative court ruled Friday.

The Council of State's ruling suspends a ban in the town of Villeneuve-Loubet, near Nice, and could affect cities around the country that have prohibited the full-length swimsuit.

It ain't burkinis, bros, it's the lack of jobs. That twit Hollande was all happy the other day cause the 'official' UE rate fell below 10 % for the first time in umpteen years. Of course the actual rate is over 12% because the bolshies don't count people who have given up looking.

First off, the French don't guarantee the same rights that Americans do. They don't make any claim to and it is a bit self-centered to think the American approach should be universally adopted by all.

The French clothing law is specifically a ban on full face covering in public, right?

The burkini ban is an act of a socially conscious, morally courageous and responsible government with extreme prudence and futuristic foresight.

France is not the USA.

The French have a long tradition that embraces secularism, and any practice (like wearing a burkini) is a complete slap in the face to the French way of life.

Frankly, I am siding with the French. They are saying, "Your religious fervor is not welcome here."

Viva La France!

Well, we know what comes next. Those DAMN JEWS with their little hats that is a COMPLETE SLAP in the face to the French way of life!

The French are easily offended. Very insecure people. It would be amusing if it was not so pathetic.

Why do you people continue to comment on things you know nothing about?

They're [France] a totalitarian, fascist (and misogynist) country now, no better than Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

I am not that surprised by the cliches poured on this Forum although I had not been accustomed to that while I was working (10 years) in the US. I had always thought -- as climber mysefl-- climbers were not ready to provide the world with such weak press-like arguments ... Try hard and maybe you will understand what is going on in Europe but I could give you so many anecdotes about your inability to understand ... and remember that most of the troubles we have are not only coming from European history but also from what happened in Afghanistan et Irak, ana ask yourself why ... and how ...

France has a big problem on their hands because of their immigration policies.

It is one thing when a society makes a choice, but it is another, completely, when the gov't of that society chooses which religions it permits freedom of expression. When that happens, it is not secular, it has now chosen the national religion

You cannot protect freedom, by restricting freedom.

Freedom is the issue.

It sought to ban the tacit state-acceptance of an ideology that is oppressive to women and contrary to the community values of the general population...like the ban on full-face veils. Accepting such a thing in France means that at some point, they'd have to accept other aspects of Muslim culture:

Unescorted women forbidden to leave their homes.
Genital mutilation of young girls.
Public stonings (the deadly kind)
Interest-free loans.

Clearly it is to you, but you can not speak for the French.

Curt

Certainly I cannot. But you cannot speak for America, and certainly not for California.

And I certainly CAN speak TO the French.

You don't seem to understand french society nor french government. The French actually don't make a choice. Overly expressive religious symbols are not appropriate to wear in France no matter what religion they depict.

Certainly I cannot. But you cannot speak for America, and certainly not for California.

I don't claim to.

I never claimed to speak for the French.