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Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 31, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
Just asking.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 31, 2016 - 03:11pm PT
Its just too depressing . . .
c wilmot

climber
Jul 31, 2016 - 03:13pm PT
How is the piñon crop this year?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 31, 2016 - 03:23pm PT
ban bigotry
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jul 31, 2016 - 03:27pm PT
Hey big Bob,

they, the likes of Jody & foolimmer, have taken to being very sneaky, posting in the threads like " I need a few jokes.... Short ones"
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1207463&tn=480

and then just as much to throw off some,
Moosedrools thread, hidden in plain sight,
" Trump Hydration pack, ( Gear Review )"
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2851134/Trump-Hydration-Pack-Gear-Review



See you in the funny pages .., .,

hey what's up ?

what number ascent are you on? Are you going to be coming east?
Any chance you need a fresh palette ? I'm sitting on great roadside climbing, one area the stone height is short, but every start is .11, on gently overhanging stone. Another area is full pitch busy road roadside crag waiting for modern treatment, ( it can be led on gear or bolted )
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jul 31, 2016 - 03:28pm PT
Johnson/Weld 2016, possibly endorsed by Weld_It

most definitely endorsed by ms55401
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 31, 2016 - 04:02pm PT
he's made sacrifices..a lot of them. using a public restroom...having to drive. having to wipe his own ass. a lot of sacrifices. things you wouldn't understand.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 31, 2016 - 04:13pm PT
Chump still won't release his taxes
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jul 31, 2016 - 04:32pm PT
I thought this topic was banned, but just google Germany, 1932
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
"Nothing new and Hillary is still going to win. Ya'lls heads are going to explode!

:-)
landcruiserbob

Trad climber
PUAKO, BIG ISLAND Kohala Coast
Jul 31, 2016 - 04:37pm PT
All of them are court jesters....


Aloha and be well

Rg
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 31, 2016 - 05:35pm PT
So we're going to have a criminal in the White House . . . again . . .
jstan

climber
Jul 31, 2016 - 05:42pm PT
A thought.

The "R" party is very determined that its people all follow the party line. No exceptions. I remember one incident a few years ago when Boehner was forced to explain himself to Limbaugh. Of all people!

Our government was set up with many members of the House elected from specific geographical districts so that each district has representation.

But if all representatives are forced to follow some third party line

our government is made into something other than was originally intended. The House now represents the interest of the "Party". Not the interests of the citizens. So it is we get this insane intensity with which the White House is sought. If you have the House and the White House you have all of our wallets in your pocket. Ready for use in Wars and other unfunded endeavors. Pretty cool huh?
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 31, 2016 - 05:49pm PT
Should we hope for continued gridlock?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2016 - 05:59pm PT
"So we're going to have a criminal in the White House . . . again . . ."


Yes if Trump wins.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 31, 2016 - 06:04pm PT
Shhhhh...delete this thread immediately, and come discuss the Trump Hydration Pack.

You're drawing attention!
Norton

Social climber
Jul 31, 2016 - 06:05pm PT

yes ^^^
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 31, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
The House now represents the interest of the "Party". Not the interests of the citizens. So it is we get this insane intensity with which the White House is sought. If you have the House and the White House you have all of our wallets in your pocket. Ready for use in Wars and other unfunded endeavors. Pretty cool huh?


Didn't hear any disgust from you when the Dems had all 3 chairs (Senate, House, Prez).

Funny thing you silly f*#ks never seem to get when you abuse authority. It may be used against YOU at some point.

That's why most people like an allegiance to the Constitution. It' much more than 'just a document'. It's a fair set of rules that offers a pathway to a productive AND benevolent society.

Funny how Mr Stannard never bitched when the Dems had the House, Senate and Oval Office. Guess we know where he stands....
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 31, 2016 - 07:09pm PT
^^^where? i'm not sure. since he has profusely proclaimed to be anti-religious, i would'a thought he'd be leaning on trump, because hillary is an astute luthern?!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 31, 2016 - 07:30pm PT
I'm tellin' ya, Bob...this thread is gonna get the axe....do it yourself, and stay below the radar with the rest of us....
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 31, 2016 - 07:32pm PT
Trump is a racist (NY Times) who still won't release his taxes and wants to beat people up.

-Boom Boom Mancini
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2016 - 07:35pm PT
I hope they axe me, except for bird thread I only come here for the political threads. God forbid if we engage in discussion about our country and it's future.



Look at the Black Canyon guidebook thread, maybe one of the coolest and wildest canyon you will ever climb in and less than hundred posts in a month.


Excellent read. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-end-of-a-republican-party/


Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Jul 31, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
Happy summer Bob!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 31, 2016 - 08:08pm PT
Is Boberino making a point with his silly graphs? What is it?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 31, 2016 - 08:56pm PT
We gotta be able to talk politics here... There's some heavy sh#t coming!
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 31, 2016 - 09:05pm PT

There's some heavy sh#t coming!

^^^yep! climbing politics are heavily procured by social politics..

i mean, where does a transvestite go potty in the valley?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 31, 2016 - 09:20pm PT
Re that heavy sheeit

Is it coming up

Or going down

???

Is it as heavy if it's your brother, your brother's!
jstan

climber
Jul 31, 2016 - 09:52pm PT
General information:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry

Coventry's large industrial base made it attractive to the wave of Asian and Caribbean immigrants who arrived from Commonwealth colonies after 1948. In 1960, one of Britain's first mosques—and the very first in Coventry—was opened on Eagle Street to serve the city's growing Islamic community.[16] The 1970s, however, saw a decline in the British motor industry and Coventry suffered particularly badly, especially towards the end of that decade. By the early 1980s, Coventry had one of the highest unemployment rates in the country and crime rates rose well above the national average.[citation needed] Some 30 years later, Coventry is now considered as one of the UK's safer major cities and has gradually recovered economically with newer industries locating there, although the motor industry continues to decline. By 2008, only one motor manufacturing plant was operational, that of LTI Ltd, producing the popular TX4 taxi cabs. On 17 March 2010 LTI announced they would no longer be producing bodies and chassis in Coventry, instead producing them in China and shipping them in for final assembly in Coventry.[17]


BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 31, 2016 - 10:05pm PT
i hear ya jstan! people are getting to smart to work. except for you and me of course.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jul 31, 2016 - 10:39pm PT
this pretty much sums it up on the democratic side...;-(

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 31, 2016 - 10:43pm PT
I'm not so sure about this concept of a candidate who is totally "independent", instead of the product of a party.

To rise in a party, you generally have to be supportive of the party over time, gain experience and perform in a variety of lower level jobs, and generally "get seen". Generally, they are also accountable to many in the party. (not necessarily a litmus test, the dem VP candidate is pro-life)

One thing that this process tends to do, is weed out the truly crazy and sociopathic players. It guarantees that a person has experience working in the political world, with the skillset needed to succeed. There is a lot of time to test a person's patriotism, beliefs of religion in gov't, concepts of intrusiveness of gov't.

Trump is an excellent example of what occurs outside of that. No serious person would think that you could take someone with no business experience, and make them CEO of General Motors. But a lot of people trust him to "do something" and they don't care what it is.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 31, 2016 - 10:47pm PT
^^^yeah, women Dr's in ties and belts! EEeeeGads (load gagging noise now).
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jul 31, 2016 - 10:52pm PT
Here's what the republicans have to offer...;-(

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 31, 2016 - 10:57pm PT
^^^that's one badass!
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jul 31, 2016 - 11:01pm PT
Looks like a "Bond girl" audition photo.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 31, 2016 - 11:04pm PT
That photo is so stupid...Did Air Force One run out of Charmin...? Was she taking a trump...?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2016 - 06:01am PT
"Is Boberino making a point with his silly graphs? What is it?"


The graph is pretty simple, the republican party is running out of angry white people to vote for them along with African Americans and Hispanics.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 1, 2016 - 06:15am PT
Funny how Mr Stannard never bitched when the Dems had the House, Senate and Oval Office. Guess we know where he stands....

For sanity, apparently.

Curt
slabbo

Trad climber
colo south
Aug 1, 2016 - 06:24am PT

Bob- we were up exploring this and came back to trump saying"Putin will never go in to Ukraine"

I think I'm going back to explore
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Aug 1, 2016 - 06:52am PT
Is that Ivanka?
(the one with the weird heels)
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 1, 2016 - 07:11am PT
I'm not so sure about this concept of a candidate who is totally "independent", instead of the product of a party.

Here, have some more SOMA and take a nap. Good Grief.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Aug 1, 2016 - 07:20am PT
Blindly I post...
Not that it matters
But here I'll share. ..
This made me laugh out loud,
(but our joint chiefs of staff must be skeerd , both nominees doom us to a nightmare war. . )

crankster, Trad climber
No. Tahoe ( lucky politards'tard )

Jul 31, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
Bob,
Things remain about the same. Very little support for Trump, more for Hillary (surprising for a forum with 99% male membership). A lot of support for "none of the above" and a few who can't tolerate political discussions on a climbing forum. They seem to have a high tolerance for threads about songs, the Mind, religion, dogs, flames and just about anything that doesn't involve the fate of the planet.
So relatively speaking, was that a compliment or a request for censure?
Hey I leave your fool threads alone, and with respect, I am only an interloper when the dust has settled down, but I know a clown V's A Hitler
&
I do not think we could have found worse representatives than Hillery & Donald.

That someone wants to try to equate 1932 Germany to this moment is a far stretch.
Now if you go to the state of affairs just after WWII,
when a small Russia became the worlds disaster,
then you might find some equivalence. The new threat is the old one
Re emergence of a totalitarian Eastern Blok....
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 1, 2016 - 07:22am PT
the republican party is running out of angry white people to vote for them along with African Americans and Hispanics.

And yet, the Republicans have 54 Senate seats and 247 House seats.
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Aug 1, 2016 - 08:58am PT

Hillary Clinton is in the lead and heading for the Whitehouse...


Dear God, let's hope so.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 1, 2016 - 09:10am PT
Hi Jody, Ted Cruz may be extremely, repulsively conservative to a lot of people

but I agree with you, he showed some real principle refusing to endorse Trump
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 1, 2016 - 09:18am PT

Ted Cruz is the most principled person in politics. He went way up in the respect department after sticking it to the fraud.

I'm not sure it was all that impressive Jody. Cruz tried to make it "clear" afterward that he'd done it because the nitwit had insulted his family.

I would have been impressed and said so (even though I can't stand him) if he'd done what he did while making it absolutely clear that he'd done it on principle.

Still, comparing Cruz' handling of Trump to how say, Paul Ryan did things....
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Aug 1, 2016 - 09:24am PT
that's Melania not Ivanka in the funny heels ^^^

winner & runner up for the spineless bastard of the week award...

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 1, 2016 - 09:59am PT
"Is that Ivanka?"

jstan

climber
Aug 1, 2016 - 10:43am PT
One thing that this process tends to do, is weed out the truly crazy and sociopathic players. It guarantees that a person has experience working in the political world, with the skillset needed to succeed. There is a lot of time to test a person's patriotism, beliefs of religion in gov't, concepts of intrusiveness of gov't.

Trump is an excellent example of what occurs outside of that. No serious person would think that you could take someone with no business experience, and make them CEO of General Motors. But a lot of people trust him to "do something" and they don't care what it is.

Barely a week into the general election we have new evidence Trump will attack anyone based only upon what is going on in his head. And that he is unable to accept criticism. Since these are serious limitations for a president, we can assume there will be many more such incidents. A question.

What happens when Trump withdraws his candidacy? Pence becomes the candidate by default?

When the election has subtracted even more from the estimated value of his "trademark", his net worth will take losses. Things will start to get really serious.

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 1, 2016 - 11:00am PT
ohnson/Weld 2016, possibly endorsed by Weld_It

most definitely endorsed by ms55401

And endorsed by me in at least two threads that were locked. Put a climber in the White House!

John
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 1, 2016 - 11:25am PT
Crooked Hillary Clinton received a dreaded 'four-Pinocchio' rating from the Washington Post – the worst score possible for truthfulness – after claiming on Sunday that the FBI defended her honesty in the classified email scandal that has plagued her presidential campaign for more than 16 months.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 1, 2016 - 11:29am PT
Crooked Hillary Clinton received a dreaded 'four-Pinocchio' rating from the Washington Post – the worst score possible for truthfulness – after claiming on Sunday that the FBI defended her honesty in the classified email scandal that has plagued her presidential campaign for more than 16 months.

And exactly where would you put Trump, by comparison of honesty?


Curt
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 1, 2016 - 11:49am PT
Trump is unencumbered by a knowledge of facts. He's also had a successful filterectomy.

His personal battle with the Khan family is simply one more overwhelming piece of evidence of his disqualification from the office, but the press is playing right along. As long as they focus on Chump's ungentlemanly behavior rather than his complete lack of policy, he has a chance of hanging on to voters unwilling to support Clinton. If, instead, the press concentrated on his lack of policy - or its rejection of conservative principles - much of his support would melt and either sit the election out, or vote for Johnson.

John
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 1, 2016 - 03:24pm PT
"Barack Obama remains solidly on track to be the only president in all of U.S. history to never have a single year when the economy grew by at least 3 percent."

slabbo

Trad climber
colo south
Aug 1, 2016 - 03:27pm PT
Obama should be chantin " 4 more years"
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 1, 2016 - 04:05pm PT


The "Bush" legacy. Direct your eyes to 2008 & 2009

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 1, 2016 - 04:29pm PT
Barack Obama remains solidly on track to be the only president in all of U.S. history to never have a single year when the economy grew by at least 3 percent.

Even more interesting that 9 out of the 10 very worst years in your chart were under Republican presidents.

Curt
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 1, 2016 - 06:57pm PT
For the second part of the show, please demonstrate how it is that a President determiens the growth of real GDP?

Hint: You might start with imaginary GDP.

Show your work.


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2016 - 07:00pm PT
Nate Silver latest...http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now


Looking grim for the orange one.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 1, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
I had lost track of the efforts to ban Russia's Olympic team for their chemical cheating.

Here's tonight's update on Trump's buddies.

Russia had hoped to send 387 competitors to Rio and more than 100 have so far been banned from going.
Russian teams affected by Rio bans
Among those excluded are 67 out of 68 from the athletics team; long-jumper Darya Klishina will compete as a neutral.

Some international federations have banned Russians from competing altogether, some have issued a partial ban, while others have cleared all Russians to take part. Others still are yet to decide.

Russia's President, Vladimir Putin, said there was a "deliberate campaign targeting" Russian athletes.

He said medals won in Rio would be devalued by the absence of Russian competitors, telling the Russian team "the other sportsmen understand that the quality of their medals will be different".

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 1, 2016 - 07:22pm PT
Not that it will make ANY difference...

Does any of this make any difference?

Curt's lies?

Cranster's attaboys?

Craig's spewage of faux wisdom?

Norton

Social climber
Aug 1, 2016 - 07:37pm PT
What did Curt lie about?

and multiply ones at that?



jstan

climber
Aug 1, 2016 - 07:40pm PT
This just in:
http://www.voanews.com/content/mht-five-percent-of-americans-would-vote-for-harambe-president/3444290.html


Americans are not exactly thrilled at the choice between Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump and Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, with voters having unfavorable views of both in recent opinion polls.

In fact, five percent say they’d rather vote for a dead gorilla, according to a new survey from Public Policy Polling.

The endangered gorilla, named Harambe, was made famous after being shot dead in a Cincinnati zoo in May after he appeared to drag a four-year-old child who had fallen into his habitat.

This undated photo obtained May 30, 2016 courtesy of the Cincinnati Zoo shows gorilla Harambe.


In an election among Trump, Clinton and Harambe, 43 percent of those surveyed said they’d vote for the New York billionaire, while 48 percent said they’d vote for the former secretary of state. Five percent said they’d cast a vote for Harambe. Four percent were undecided.

Harambe also had a much lower unfavorable rating among voters in the poll, with 27 percent of those polled having an unfavorable opinion of the dead gorilla. Five percent said they had a favorable opinion while 69 percent were unsure.

Trump led the pack with unfavorable ratings, racking up a 58 percent negative rating compared to 51 percent for Clinton.

Darwin has finally been proven correct!
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Aug 1, 2016 - 09:27pm PT
It's a race to the bottom. The least unliked candidate may win.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 1, 2016 - 09:33pm PT
Barely a week into the general election we have new evidence Trump will attack anyone based only upon what is going on in his head. And that he is unable to accept criticism. Since these are serious limitations for a president, we can assume there will be many more such incidents. A question.

What happens when Trump withdraws his candidacy? Pence becomes the candidate by default?

When the election has subtracted even more from the estimated value of his "trademark", his net worth will take losses. Things will start to get really serious.

Trump is fine. Why is nobody talking about Hillary openly lying, and everybody knowing it, but nobody wants to discuss that?

She seems to just be able to bullshit at will. It must be true, she said it...
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 1, 2016 - 09:37pm PT

Looking up!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 1, 2016 - 09:46pm PT
Trump looks low energy...
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Aug 1, 2016 - 10:00pm PT
Okay. I don't normally post on political threads. Both candidates are lame. Can't believe this is the best we can do. But then again the congress has only a 12% approval rating, so it is par for the course.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 1, 2016 - 10:13pm PT
Jody...Like Klimmer said..Trump isn't perfect...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 1, 2016 - 10:31pm PT
I'll take a brash, honest, arrogant man over a corrupt liar every day of the week.

no doubt.
John M

climber
Aug 1, 2016 - 10:36pm PT
My dad is a conservative christian Texas republican and he does not like Cruz and would not vote for him. He also told the RNC that he would not be supporting them financially because of Trump and that he would not vote for Trump. I never thought that I would hear that. I was visiting when he told the representative from the GOP that.

I like my dad. I believe that he is a good man. We disagree on some things, but he is a solid decent man and I respect his opinion.
John M

climber
Aug 1, 2016 - 10:59pm PT
Riley.. I have been pissed about how Hillary was picked before there was any real conversation. And have had quite a few arguments about that on the taco.

That said.. what you say about how Trump is vilified for everything he says is also true about what happens with Hillary. We live in insane times. Way too much stuff is put out there that is misleading, often out right lies, and just plain mean. This country hasn't had a decent yet hard hitting conversation in years. Politics is ugly. I get that. But in the last 20 years it seems to have gotten uglier and uglier until now its just insane. I have no idea who to vote for, but my feeling about Trump is that he is an megalomaniac whereas Hillary is just your typical egotist.
John M

climber
Aug 1, 2016 - 11:13pm PT
Riley. missed what you said about Benghazi. What you need to understand is that just because someone is in the military doesn't mean that they understand the politics or even what happened. My previous landlord and now friend is a retired 2 star general from the army. He is very conservative. He would have made 3 or 4 stars but he retired early because his wife got sick. I helped him care for her when she was dying. He says both sides have screwed up the politics, but the middle east is a landmine. His basic opinion is that only about 10 percent of people aren't just plain dumbasses. That includes military captains. The republicans are just as culpable for what has gone down in the middle east. Hillary did no better and no worse then Bush senior and Bush junior. How many times did the republicans cut the budget for embassies?



Edit: Riley, I don't know if you have read this article, but I believe that it is well worth reading.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/jd-vance-straight-talk-about-poverty/

Interview of JD Vance, an educated hillbilly. He describes the ( i don't know the word for it) ingrained beliefs and ideologies of hillbillies and how it affects them. The same could be said about people in the middle east. Their system of belief leans heavy towards revenge and it can go back hundreds and thousands of years its so ingrained. I have a friend who leads seminars on non violent communication and she has lead some in Palistine and Israel with kids from both countries and she says kids are just kids until they have been indoctrinated. Its a rare person who can overcome their biases once they are ingrained, but if you can get to the kids, then you can see change.

That article also goes into the problems with both the republican and democrat parties. Worth reading in my opinion.
landcruiserbob

Trad climber
PUAKO, BIG ISLAND Kohala Coast
Aug 2, 2016 - 12:06am PT
Court Jesters all of them...

Temujin would be disappointed ...


Why do these candidates scream at us when they talk?

stuknet- spend some time here....

I know I surfed south swell blessings tonight, but the end is close... Pitiful humans


Idiots the entire lot of them
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:43am PT
"n grad school I basically use American inner cities as proxies for the study of third world health care interventions and prevention. Our inner cities are gone. The police are pulling back because they can't do anything anymore. Some thug tries to kill a cop and the cop gets blamed.
Lawless areas in cities supported by 50 years of welfare , excuses and attempted government interventions and good intentions.
And not a Craig Fry or Bob D in sight - I can promise you that .,,"


Wow what a living saint, you know nothing about me or what I have done.


How far right are you when you think a married man of 42 years, who wife stayed home to raise three children, who worked his whole adult life without any government assistance is a is a far left radical.



Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 2, 2016 - 05:03am PT
Commie....😎
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 05:28am PT
Gloom and doom from the right, it is all they have left.


Science and history says they are wrong and they are.



The problem is what really is doing us in is the science deniers on the climate change.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Aug 2, 2016 - 05:31am PT

Trump is fine. Why is nobody talking about Hillary openly lying,

Bluey, help me out, Do you have her latest lie?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 06:51am PT
"Here's to opening minds."

Yes by posting lies and quoting Fox news.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:09am PT
Thanks Radical. Good stuff.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:36am PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 05:28am PT
Gloom and doom from the right, it is all they have left.

Science and history says they are wrong and they are.

The problem is what really is doing us in is the science deniers on the climate change.

If it wasn't for those pesky deniers, global warming would've been fixed by now.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:46am PT
Trump is a nut, Clinton is a crook, and the media is craven...pass the popcorn.

Edit: After posting on a politard thread, I now have to repent and bump a climbing thread to the top ;-)
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:53am PT
Great posts Radical!

I understand why you don't know what to think or know what to do anymore. You make that point so well and I see why you have a fan club going here. A great approach to dealing with the closed minded people is constant serial posting on these sites. Please keep them coming I read every word!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:05am PT
Riley's last few posts are the most cogent thing I've ever seen on this subject... Isn't it amazing when someone living in the REAL world speaks the truth.... Good on ya, Riley....you get it.

I see a lot of fair description of the problems that ail us, that ail America and the world, in Radical's posts but not much in the way of prescription. How come? Isn't that where the action is?

I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't get it - that it's a lot easier to complain than to come up with solutions that work that satisfy everybody.

Wasn't the advice to 'educate yourselves' given somewhere? Yes, education is a prescription, it is a solution. But you've heard it before: It's only good advice if you take it. So look at the number of R posters here who do not even accept bio evolution as a fact (let alone climate change) even though it's now the 21st century.



At least we know something of ekat's politics now. lol


He's a stand in for every bully in high school, every know-nothing right-wing blowhard idiot, every meat head that gets in your face. He's all those dudes rolled into one malevolent ball of sh#t.

spot on, tt
jstan

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:05am PT
The many strongly held but disparate perceptions and opinions here proves something. They prove we finally realize this decision is important. There will be consequences. Consequences we won't be able to wave away.

That's a start.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:08am PT
Jody, given your history of science denial, and belief in your imaginary friend and creationism, there's no chance of convincing you of anything related to evolution and climate change.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:08am PT
 see a lot of fair description of the problems that ail us in Radical's posts but not much in the way of prescription. How come? Isn't that where the action is? 

I don't know but good on him (dumbest goddamn saying )



Wow, Ding.....that was the most close-minded, ugly thing I've ever seen you post.

Shame on you

I think you mean bad on him


vvvvvvv why yes super intelligence guy but I don't know why you ask because my post was only referring to the use of the phrase good on
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:14am PT
overwatch, just curious, do you know the difference between the words "description" and "prescription"?

I bet Riley, aka Radical, does. lol


Jody, given your history of science denial, and belief in your imaginary friend and creationism, there's no chance of convincing you of anything related to evolution and climate change.
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:19am PT
All you folks fluffing this guy's Riley's nutz?

This is all you need to know about this towering intellect:
I don't know who to vote for

followed by a bunch of "I'm a special snowflake, the parties left me, you're all stooped American puppets controlled by the media" type invective.

By this point, if you truly "don't know who to vote for", you are mentally deficient.

I don't like Clinton as a personality. Would not want top spend time with her. But, she is a policy wonk and knows how to actually accomplish things within our political system. I will vote for her, for Supreme Court appointments, and for having a sane, detailed oriented, wonky leader.

TheRump lies, continually; has no knowledge of geopolitics (or anything else it seems), is clearly so thin skinned he has no place in a power structure armed with nuclear warheads, and makes grand claim after grand claim with exactly ZERO details of how he intends to accomplish these things. All bluster, no substance.

I don't have to live with Hillary, or engage her personally, I will likely turn off her speeches and avoid her media appearances, because her voice grates on my nerves. But I'll be voting for her. Supreme court and a fragile economy are too important to gamble with a mentally unstable, belligerent, failure of a "businessman".

I just haven't seen any evidence that humans are causing the climate to change
. Maybe park your motorcycle in the living room, close the windows and doors, start that baby up and see how it works out for you. A BBQ grill would also work as a sub for the motorcycled. Let us know how it goes.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:20am PT
"... I just haven't seen any evidence that humans are causing the climate to change."

Maybe this is because you do not defer to the experts on the subject matter. Duh.
John M

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:20am PT
But Obama's policies have been far,far worse in my opinion.
We now have a huge anti-civilization, mysticism believing, violent, raping, murdering caliphate that spreads from half of Iraq to Libia and terrorist attacks some where in the world every single day.
This is a serious problem that the dream world people won't even talk about.


This rests at the feet of Clinton and Obama.

I'm sorry Riley, but it doesn't just rest at the feet of Clinton and Obama. These problems started many many years before. Dingus is right, you have a tendency to go whole hog on your blame from one administration to the next. You need to back off a bit and recognize its not liberals or democrats.. its the power elite. There isn't really a "side". They just use issues to gain power for themselves, which is why they shift back and forth as one issue becomes more important to the people then the last one. Whichever issues they can get behind, they use to gain power. And a lot of times the people they put in front are just puppets. Like George Bush junior. When you understand egos and power hunger are the main driving forces, then you can see why few of them really have any idea what to do. And the decent people often don't come into power because we don't support decency. We support winning and we don't really care how it happens. So we get what we deserve. We get people who have no real moral center.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:20am PT
Riley's comments are opinions, and not necessarily based on facts. Furthermore, as someone with multiple college degrees, I am not impressed with someone who has multiple college degrees.
All that says is we were good at book learnin'.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:24am PT
Robert Reich:

New York Giants Owner Jonathan Tisch will host a Clinton fundraiser at his Hampton's home later this month. Tickets for the event cost $33,000. Apple CEO Tim Cook will also host a Clinton fundraiser; the invitation for that fundraiser lists three different contribution levels: $50,000, $10,000, and $2,700. (In June, Cook hosted a fundraiser for Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.) Tim Kaine is also hitting the fundraising circuit, headlining his first campaign fundraiser in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. That event will come on the heels of President Obama's fundraiser, in Atlanta, for Clinton's joint fundraising committee with the Democratic National Committee and state parties. That event costs $5,000 to attend and $25,000 to host.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 08:33am PT
I agree with DMT last post. Riley is one of the biggest whiners on ST. Reminds me of Chief.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:34am PT
*
A little political humor.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
couchmaster

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:36am PT

At the end of the day, I believe that our country is strong enough to survive either of these Presidential candidates. Anyone else note that the current guy in charge has insisted that Guantanamo Bay should be closed for the last 7 years? It's not like he's forgotten or changed his mind on that issue. Should have been an easy thing to rectify for the head man in charge, no? Ask yourself why it isn't. Outside of that as an issue is the point for the next election looking forward.

Great post Radical, quote:
"John, I like that guy a lot. He's a smart guy.
I actually love Appalacia - when I was burning out a few months ago I imagined riding my bike over there and living in the mountains and drinking moonshine. Lol
.
But I've been an ER nurse for twenty five years.
Poor is nothing like it used to be. I've seen a lot, everyday for most of my adult life.
Do you know if unscrupulous parents can get their kids in ADHD meds they get paid 600 bucks from the government per kid. 5 kids - 3000 a month. How's that for Craig Frys' republican world? Where you think that ends up in three or four generations?


I'm spent my life helping people. And I'm a moderate and believe in a reasonable social net.
But the upside down Maxist view of the world that takes the responsibility for your life out of your hands and blames someone more successful and puts the responsibility on a government is both a crime against human nature and a crime against nature.

In grad school I basically use American inner cities as proxies for the study of third world health care interventions and prevention. Our inner cities are gone. The police are pulling back because they can't do anything anymore. Some thug tries to kill a cop and the cop gets blamed.
Lawless areas in cities supported by 50 years of welfare , excuses and attempted government interventions and good intentions.
And not a Craig Fry or Bob D in sight - I can promise you that .,,"

Although Bob D is right, you don't know enough about him to stuff his name in the end, as if this is his fault. I've personally seen women having children so as to collect more government money to buy heroin. They have no interest in being parents, in fact are horrible disasters for the kids (and society) they crank out, but the percentage of these monsters we enable with our money is actually pretty low, and I suspect that it is in your example as well.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:49am PT
Radical wrote:

Clinton's secret CIA operation in Libya was attacked and instead of doing something she went home to bed because it was politically to difficult to send help.


Hmmmmmm. Interesting set of facts that you choose to profess.

Clinton was NOT the head of the CIA. The CIA runs CIA operations. The CIA had a cover for their operation that it was a State Dept operation, which you clearly understand that it was not. That was a cover. You understand the implications of that, right?

When you say she went home to bed, you do know that this all came down at 3:40 pm EST? You definitively say that she went to bed instead of doing something about the CIA operation.

1. You seem to find it credible that high gov't officials are in the habit of leaving for home and sleep for the night at 3:40 in the afternoon. Do you really think that is credible? Really?

2. Do you really think the State Dept is in a position to issue orders to the military or the CIA in a military conflict situation????? Really?

When you post this transparent BS, you should understand that you only undermine your own credibility. It demonstrates that you ARE collecting "facts" from partisan sources, without doing any fact-checking, then bloviating about these "facts". Since the facts are wrong, your opinions are meaningless, and easy to ignore.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:54am PT
Coach pretty much nails it, except that Johnson/Weld or Stein is always an option, too.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:55am PT
HFCS, where is the evidence humans are causing it? None. Just assumptions, insinuations, and extrapolations.

Really, who the f*#k cares WHAT is causing it.
The reality is it is happening and and there appears to be things we can do to not exacerbate it. When someone ends up in the emergency room all battered, bleeding and incoherent the medics don't sit around and debate what happened before treating a patient.
Maybe someone got lung cancer by smoking, maybe they didn't get it that way. The reality is, they have it and to continue smoking is nuts.

I suspect you do agree climate change is happening by your comment ..."(lack of) evidence humans are causing it". It suggests you do see it happening but disagree it's being caused by humans. So my point, REGARDLESS if you believe in anthromorphic climate change or natural processes we can do some things to curb it. After all, how many of us still die of plague ... And it was "natural".

Susan
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:55am PT
Ken, the film 13 Hours is pretty good. You should see it if you haven't.

The reality is it is happening

Yes, CO2 has now broken through the 400 mark (as predicted) and continues to accelerate.


Scary.

http://www.co2.earth/
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:58am PT
Godamn judgong from poll numbers combined with media Hillary won the election and it aint november..
Ohh well next time..
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:04am PT
Listening to well educated, well read people always opens minds - regardless of whether or not you agree with their views.

eKat over and out.

eKat, there is danger in this assertion.

I think of the example of William Shockley, the brilliant nobel-prize winning inventor of the transistor, that transformed all of our lives.

When he came out with his "definite knowledge" that blacks were genetically inferior to whites (he had no background or training in Genetics), he was widely quoted, and used as the basis of discriminatory treatment of blacks.

I don't think it is fair to say that he "opened minds", but contributed to a vast experience of second class treatment of a particular group of Americans.

Another example was Franklin Roosevelt, President at the time and considered to have one of the highest IQ's of any President. He asserted that Americans of Japanese descent presented a clear and obvious danger to the US, and ordered that they be rounded up and placed in concentration camps.....one in the Sierra, not far from Yosemite. I don't think he "opened minds" regarding these Americans.

15 or so years ago, when the Park Service decided to elevate the status of Manzanar, the Park Service person in charge, along with other Park Service employees received death threats AT THEIR HOMES for "showing support for those traitorous Japs".

I wouldn't say that is an example of "opening minds.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:04am PT
"...there is no proof that we can do things to affect it. ...


So...do you think there is any kind of significant climate change going on at all?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:06am PT
Bob, there is not one shred of evidence that proves humans are causing climate change.

Personally, I find the CO2 evidence very convincing. That would be more than a shred, inasmuch as it has been confirmed all over the world.
John M

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:10am PT
So Jody, can you point to scientific proof that God exists?

I fully believe that humans are causing climate change. But I have a spiritual reason for that.. (heh heh.. )

Genesis 3:17 gives a hint about the possibility of humans affecting the planet.

Something like greed leads to certain kinds of physical acts which then lead to certain kinds of physical conditions. Everyday we affect our planet, in both positive and negative ways, and that includes changing our climate.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:15am PT
So Jody, can you point to scientific proof that God exists?

sure, love is all around us

also, if you cannot prove that god does not exist that is your proof that she does


it's all quite simple when you reason it through..
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:21am PT
"...there is no proof that we can do things to affect it. ...

A number of years ago I was in a clinical trial when I had cancer. There was no definitive proof (at the time) it would work. There was a lot of "it appears" "testing suggests (this will be effective", etc. Six years later here I am. The proof often results from taking ACTION.
What is the absolute hard core evidence God exists? After life exists? We often move forward on faith without irrefutable concrete evidence.
Science holds itself to a different standard of evidence. It moves towards far more concrete evidence levels, than just blind faith; yet so many things we thought we knew change as new knowledge is created or revealed. To hide behind discontent about laws, regulations, etc is irresponsible and just pure laziness instead of trying to find solutions to known problems REGARDLESS of their origin.
Think of the Flint water crisis. They started addressing it PRIOR to knowing the exact cause.

Susan
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:27am PT
So, let's say that climate change was naturally occurring. Would conservatives believe it then?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:32am PT
Global Warming?

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:36am PT
Jody,

It's been a while since I've seen an alpine beaver dam, TFPU. They bring such great fishing memories for me.

I'm doing some summer live beaver trapping this year to transplant some 2 yr olds into mountain watersheds around Idaho in an effort to help the runoff from several fires. Hoping that I will be able to go back and visit them over time and track their progress.

Oh, and liberal heads are going to explode.....lol
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:38am PT
It's too bad the Global Warming trend became so politicized and monetized.

Although I bet humans may contribute to the trend, the question is to what degree. And since we don't know all of the variables involved with global climates it's a hard, if not impossible, question to answer.

That being said there is still room for common sense precautions and conservation of limited resources. We don't "lose" anything as humans investigating ways to minimize our impact and extend our stay on this blue marble before it kills us.

SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:39am PT
Jody.

Number 1. Do you believe there is climate change, regardless of its cause? I believe you suggested it in one of your previous comments. If you don't believe there is climate changes going on then it's a waste of band width to even discuss actions that might be taken.

Number 2.
The Flint issue is not a good example because it was a man-made system.
. I use that as a point about taking action, regardless of its origin.

Anyway I gotta go ride a bike.

Your pictures are nice but I have no evidence they are not photoshopped or manipulated with filters, f stops, special developing speeds etc. Until such evidence is provided in some irrefutable form....they are simply snapshots. ;)



Susan

Edit. Cross post. You do believe in climate change. Just not the reason.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:39am PT
Jody, did you see HFCS's chart?

As Susan said, if there are things humans can do not to exacerbate it, why not?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 09:40am PT
Amazing how some look at the world from their very small, small part of it and think all is well climate wise. Simple question to Jody have you been to China, Indonesia, El Salvador or NIcaragua?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:43am PT
Well, the first, most relevant question is whether someone thinks the climate is actually changing significantly in the first place...after that, the question of what is causing it & what are the factors involved becomes relevant.

And from what I can tell, Jody thinks the climate changing, just like it always has throughout the history of the planet, and there is no reason to think any of the current changes are significant.


Effectively, a shoulder shrug & an eyeroll. Do I have that about right, Jody?
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:45am PT
why has there been no rise in global mean temperatures for almost two decades?

No sense in trying to have a productive discussion with someone who puts belief ahead of reason.

Norton

Social climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:46am PT
If increasing C02 levels are so nasty, and "causing" global warming, why has there been no rise in global mean temperatures for almost two decades?

Hi Jody, did you not see the posted chart showing the steadily rising global temps?

you are not aware that we continually set new world high temp records?

come on Jody, you can't be totally in a bubble and walled off from the daily news
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:49am PT
If global warming is not occurring, why are glaciers receding?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:54am PT
Susan, there is no proof that we can do things to affect it.

Definitely not true. However, until we actually do them, there will be no definitive "proof". But that doesn't mean that there isn't extensive evaluation and trials of things. It's not your field (or mine), so it's not something that either of us would particularly know about.

I did attend a lecture last year at UCLA that had to do with changing the atmosphere in a way that would reflect more light. It is easy to do, but it scares the crap out of everyone involved in the science---as it should to take steps to alter the climate of the planet.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:58am PT
If global warming is not occurring, why are glaciers receding?

Reminds me of the American tourist driving through central Canada, where he saw a farmer hauling large rocks out of a field. He thought it odd that there could be big rocks in what appeared to be just endless prairie dirt, so stopped and asked the farmer "where did all those rocks come from?"

To which the farmer replied "Glaciers brought 'em."

The tourist looked around, baffled. "Huh? Where are the glaciers?"

"They've gone back for more rocks."
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:00am PT
lol!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:00am PT
Nice shots, Jody.

So you think that whatever climate change that has occurred in recent decades is not unusual, and within typical ranges for this planet (as far as we know)?
John M

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:01am PT
"They've gone back for more rocks."

hahahaha.. heard that one before, but still funny.

Nice shots, Jody.

yep.. good stuff. really good stuff.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:02am PT
If increasing C02 levels are so nasty, and "causing" global warming, why has there been no rise in global mean temperatures for almost two decades? Hmmm, maybe that is why "Global Warming" was replaced by "Climate Change"? Have to keep the scam alive.

Jody, this is the sort of thing that makes you look like a dunce, when you post what you state is a fact that is easily checkable, and found to be wrong:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201605

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for May 2016 was the highest for May in the 137-year period of record, at 0.87°C (1.57°F) above the 20th century average of 14.8°C (58.6°F), besting the previous record set in 2015 by 0.02°C (0.04°F). May 2016 marks the 13th consecutive month a monthly global temperature record has been broken—the longest such streak since global temperature records began in 1880.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:06am PT
I could post just as many links to evidence that there is no GW occurring. You all will just post links to sites saying there is...whatever. waste of time.

Well, a number of us have. You have not posted any credible links of that.

You ask us to "believe you", but you have no credentials in the field that would make anyone think that you should be taken in a highly technical field at just your word. Particularly when you post "facts" that are repeatedly and easily refuted.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:09am PT
Read the above link.

Your link is NOT to a site that has any credibility, only opinion.

My link is the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Are you next going to direct us to a definitive statement by Sesame Street??
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:21am PT
13 hours is not a factual account, just because it is a film.

Daily Telegraph:
More questionable is whether their CIA boss was quite the buffoon the film makes him out to be. For security reasons he remains unnamed to this day, but in an anonymous interview with The Washington Post, he denied ever ordering the contractors to "stand down". His account was backed by a two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee, as well as the CIA, a spokesman for whom said: "No one will mistake this movie for a documentary."

The movie 13 hours also alludes to this..
Not so much directly - but it's always between the lines.
Everyone should watch that movie .
I haven't read the book but I'm sure it's very good too.

Wow! So now we have book reviews of books that you have not actually bothered to read! Does that mean that you have not bothered to actually read any of the scientific papers on these matters?

Or the transcripts of the many Republican investigations of Benghazi?
You just "know" what they say?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:35am PT
There is 0 chance of us stopping any of it . Unless we have a human - mass extinction event . Just too many people and it's not slowing down.Nothing is slowing down ...Even the great David Suzuki has really damaged the environmental movement by traveling in million dollar bus convoys to preach about CO2.


Fair enough. So what's your solution?

It's gotta be something more than Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:40am PT
Must go back to the King/feudal days when all the pheasants gathered around for a few words - the pheasants would flip out on a few words and promises.

Were those "pheasants" under glass?


Susan
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:40am PT
Also on Tuesday, Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.) became the first sitting Republican member of Congress to say publicly that he plans to vote for Clinton for president, declaring in an interview with Syracuse.com that Trump is a “national embarrassment.”

The three-term congressman, who represents a swath of Upstate New York near Syracuse but is not running for reelection this year, has bucked his party in the past on issues ranging from gay marriage to climate change. He declared his support for Clinton in an opinion piece published Tuesday on the news website and elaborated in an interview that Trump’s continued feud with the parents of a Muslim American Army captain killed in Iraq were the final straw.

“I saw that and felt incensed,” Hanna said in the interview. “I was stunned by the callousness of his comments.”

He added: “I think Trump is a national embarrassment. Is he really the guy you want to have the nuclear codes?”
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:42am PT
Here's classy Obama today telling it like it is...

Trump is ‘unfit to serve as president’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-continuing-fallout-from-khan-controversy-a-gop-congressman-declares-his-support-for-clinton/2016/08/02/a756b792-58b3-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html

Top Jeb Bush adviser leaves GOP, will vote for Clinton if Florida close

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/sally-bradshaw-jeb-bush-donald-trump-florida/

She's no longer Republican.
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:43am PT
A lot of people including me are good at understanding the dangers of the far right but are blind to the dangers of the far left .

See, there is one problem with your "dangers". And that problem is that the far right are IN CONTROL OF THE GOP and having significant effects on our laws, the court benches, our entanglements overseas, etc. And they have been in charge since at least 1980, and arguable since 1964, growing steadily more unhinged and divorced from reality.

Meanwhile the "far left" holds no power to speak of, certainly doesn't control a major political party, and thus has pretty much zero effect on anything in the US.

The false equivalency you present is clear evidence that all that education can't make you think clearly or objectively.
John M

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:46am PT
LOL.. man Riley. you got it bad.

Libtard, remember when it was neocon?

as for insults.. well, when you first got back you were tossing them around pretty freely.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:47am PT
Yesterday, on the campaign trail, Trump said: “I’m afraid the election’s going to be rigged. I have to be honest.”

Meanwhile, longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone is explicitly encouraging Trump to make this case to his supporters. “I think we have widespread voter fraud, but the first thing that Trump needs to do is begin talking about it constantly,” Stone told a friendly interviewer, adding that Trump should start saying this: “If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government.”

Stone also said: “I think he’s gotta put them on notice that their inauguration will be a rhetorical, and when I mean civil disobedience, not violence, but it will be a bloodbath.”
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:51am PT
That's clear, Jody.

you reject all science related to Climate, and all scientists on this subject are corrupt and falsifying everything.

Or....you could go outside and take the temperature.

Look at newspaper records.

No need to do that, when you have Fox and Friends to just make stuff up.

But don't think that makes you credible.
F

climber
away from the ground
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:54am PT
Jody, you were flat out wrong with your knee jerk assertion the other day.



F

climber
away from the ground

Jul 30, 2016 - 07:50pm PT
Sick.

Jody

climber
Occupied Territory

Jul 30, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
He'll die.

And global warming is a conspiracy created by democrats and black people to create jobs for libtards and atheists.

Any more sweet assertions to make before the day is out, sugar tits?

Any chance you're wrong with this knee jerk assertion also? Or you are only stupid and ignorant on weekends?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:58am PT
"Something very nice just happened to me. A man came up to me and he handed me his Purple Heart," Trump said. "I said to him, is that the real one, or is that a copy? He said, 'That's my real Purple Heart. I have such confidence in you.' And I said, 'Man, that's big stuff.'"

"I always wanted to get the Purple Heart," Trump continued. "This was much easier."


You wonder if he will be wearing it from now on?
F

climber
away from the ground
Aug 2, 2016 - 11:05am PT
Jody, are you one of those people that can't stand to admit when you're wrong?
Or are you just never wrong, so you don't have to?

Haha, Radical, which degree was from Trump university? The first or second?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 2, 2016 - 11:06am PT
Paul Ryan gets standing ovation at Koch retreat after repudiating Trump’s trade policies
Breitbart
We are flirting with various forms of progressivism, and there are Republican forms of progressivism. Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican,” Ryan said. “We have to thoroughly debunk it, repudiate it.”

Indeed, Mark Levin has similarly explained, “What I see developing is not a conservative coalition, but a coalition on the Republican side of big government advocates.”

“The Republican Party now is a party of the progressive Republicans. Theodore Roosevelt… the protectionists, Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, the No-Growthers,” Levin has said.

Ryan reportedly suggested that the GOP is engaged in the “fight for the soul of our party and for our country” over the issue of international trade.

The Republican Party is the Party of shoving Free Trade Treaties down our throats, and now they are whining that the Republican voters are stupid because they don't support the job sucking trade agreements.

No wonder the Republicans hate the Government so much, the people they vote for screw them every way possible, and you have to support it to be a good conservative if you like it or not, it's your patriotic duty to stop those libtards!

And you can always blame Obama for your stupidity of not knowing how bad the GOP is screwing you on, it's his fault, he hasn't kicked GOP ass hard enough!

rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Aug 2, 2016 - 11:27am PT
No summit is worth that kind of selfishness.
That was the most close-minded ugly thing I've ever seen you post. Shame on you.

Cragman, you're always so busy with your self righteous "shame on you" that you never seem to notice your "shame on me".

Obama is a little girl who soiled his panties.
Biggest shitshow on the Internet.
Obesity on parade and chairs with large ass prints.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Aug 2, 2016 - 11:30am PT

The Republican Party is the Party of shoving Free Trade Treaties down our throats,

Lucky for us Bill Clinton fought hard against NAFTA.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 11:40am PT
this
Dingus, maybe cut the personal attacks??
then this
I blame the rich libtards for this partly.
Radical, is one of your degrees in hypocrisy?
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Aug 2, 2016 - 12:09pm PT


Susan
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 2, 2016 - 12:10pm PT

"Getting sucked into the hell of an ST politard or religion discussion here .."



Um...that's not 'getting sucked in'. That's choosing to click.



"Ban it
Ban the person who starts another one .
And maybe this can be an interesting community again."

How about this idea: Exercise impulse control, and maybe this place can be an interesting place again.

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 12:14pm PT
10b, that is not hypocrisy. That is a general attack vs. personal attack.

I took it personally.
John M

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
I get to feeling that way sometimes too Riley. But I thought the last few days were pretty decent conversations.

me.. I had a decent winter. I started to think/hope that I had reached a turning point with my health. I joined a gym and started working out. I felt pretty good. Then about 3 months ago the old problems started flaring up again and now I can barely walk. ugh..
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 12:28pm PT
The defenders of free speech really don't like free speech. Riley, DMT nailed you, you are really a self righteous little man.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 2, 2016 - 01:19pm PT
Drumpf is whining the election is rigged. The only thing that's rigged is his idiotic brain to his orange flapping lips.

This adds up to a 347 to 191 ass kicking. can you say landslide?!?! I thought you could
John M

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 01:22pm PT
that thing is skewed Nature.. Look at how tiny Alaska is to Hawaii. Gotta be false. Alaska is huge. Trump should be winning by a landslide.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 2, 2016 - 01:24pm PT

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 2, 2016 - 01:29pm PT
I know John... the size of Alaska is relative to Drumpfs tiny hands.


After a year or two off I hope President Clinton appoints President Obama as a Supreme Court justice. I'd like to see him stick around and continue to guide our country into the future.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Aug 2, 2016 - 01:29pm PT
And I just despise the empty manipulation of speeches now.

There really is a very serious disconnect between the talkers of the world and the doers of the world. I've seen it a lot in hospitals. Talk talk talk ..

everything runs on good intentions and happiness and people just need a hug.

So tell me Riley, do you lean over the gurney of critically injured patient and say "geez, sorry, reality is that you are a goner in maybe 2 hours or less" or do you indicate that everything possible will be done to save you? Hope and faith are very powerful. It got me through the dregs of treatment of a life limiting illness. My doctors were honest, but man were they forward looking about what we might do next. Their hope and expertise saved me.

Reality is this exact moment in time, its not the future, its not the past. To cave into the belief that future "reality" can't be shaped, made better, "a thousand points of light", is a sorry state of not being a doer. I can't believe when you receive a critically injured patient you just throw your hands up in frustration that they can't be saved and walk away. If you are as sour as you are coming across I have to say I would not want to be rolled into your trauma center.

Sometimes, yes it is a REALITY, too, that good intentions, faith, hard work and belief in a better future will give the hope to someone that a difference can be made.

Susan
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 2, 2016 - 01:32pm PT
Awesome...in 140 years less than an ESTIMATED 1.5 degree C...and THAT based on land data only. I am convinced.

Jody's moving on to to the next stage of denial. Good for you, Jody.

SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Aug 2, 2016 - 01:35pm PT
Radical (Riley?) really is nailing it. The story about your father in law is telling. Kids today have so many shoes. You really understand what poverty is when you have that kind of relationship with someone from a place like that. It is really a fact that many liberals are too wealthy to relate to ordinary people.

I work in science and don't understand why such a large number of people believe the global warming myths. Everyone in my field knows that every climate scientist is just trying to keep their funding. I feel bad that they have to get behind a movie produced by Al Gore just to keep their occupation. Yet, why might anybody accept what they say?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 2, 2016 - 01:37pm PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]
couchmaster

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
We'll see what you guys think when it warms up a tad. You'll be going to heaven but the rest of us will be stuck here in hell. Bet there's AC up there. Probably time for a few more personal attacks on you right wing folks now that everyone seems to be out of facts.

Hey Jody, before the personal attacks start back up, whats the pictogram photo you posted of? (the lower one). Ancient Peruvian hopscotch?
Norton

Social climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 03:43pm PT
Jody!

you can't be serious, surely you don't disagree with the Academy of Scientists who have repeatedly shown that man made carbon dioxide's effect on the ozone layer has weakened it allowing more of the sun's rays to heat up the earth?

surely you don't deny the Arctic's melting ice caps, all this is a matter of record?

you are a smart guy Jody!
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 2, 2016 - 03:54pm PT
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 03:56pm PT
Sick.

Ashburn, Virginia (CNN) A military veteran supporting Donald Trump gifted the Republican nominee his Purple Heart Tuesday, prompting Trump to say he "always wanted to get the Purple Heart" and this was "much easier" than serving in combat.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 2, 2016 - 04:06pm PT
watching the orange turd circle down the drain is entertaining.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:21pm PT
Do you really think that two people (Jody/Cragman) who believe in angels, a big white man with a beard who lives in the sky and humans rode on backs of dinosaurs would actually believe in research and proven data?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:27pm PT
"You all should watch this season of South Park and the episodes around PC principal."


I have no doubt most of your opinions come from South Park and Fox News.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
Little edgy today little man? Keep them coming.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 04:31pm PT
Jody!

you can't be serious, surely you don't disagree with the Academy of Scientists who have repeatedly shown that man made carbon dioxide's effect on the ozone layer has weakened it allowing more of the sun's rays to heat up the earth?

surely you don't deny the Arctic's melting ice caps, all this is a matter of record?

you are a smart guy Jody!


These idiot scientists took a boat to prove their theories on how arctic circle ice flows were diminishing because of GW. And they could take a boat up there to prove.

They got stuck and an icebreaker had to bail their asses out.

Science? The data-set is flawed if your models are predicting ice when there is none. Among many other problems in these f*#king made-up 'facts'.

http://www.cfact.org/2016/07/20/global-warming-expedition-stopped-in-its-tracks-by-arctic-sea-ice/

Ridiculous how nobody questions your assertions in the MSM. It's absurd!

Just like Hitlery lying and nobody saying shit!!!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:31pm PT
"Every time a Marxist Politard says Fox News or tells us he is an atheist everyone takes a drink .."


The commie card, oh boy that really hurt little guy.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:33pm PT
The little man who wants to bans all political threads on ST can't keep his fingers off the keyboard ranting like madman on a political thread.


Doesn't get funnier.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:40pm PT
"Between you and Dingus I can't figure out who is that Internet bigger tough guy.


You want to find out?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
"And maybe someone who ate a life times worth of pork chops and needs bypass surgery shouldn't be commenting on size ?"

Classy coming from a fat boy stuck at the 5.8 level.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:43pm PT
"People don't want to watch you and a few other politards constantly blather on and on ."


Coming from a man foaming at the mouth while posting to a political thread.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 04:49pm PT
What's not so funny is the same policies that Chavez and many liberals here in the US advocated for the socialist revolution of Venezuela, are the same policies being adopted by Bernie Sanders, and as a result, co-opted by the Hitlery campaign.

Chavez is dead, but his socialist legacy lives on in Maduro, who has just instituted 'forced labor' of citizens of Venezuela.

I can't make this up, know why? It HAPPENS EVERYTIME!!!! Everybody with a conservative mind saw this coming.

Venezuela will get very ugly. Mark my words. The UN could step in but they don't give a f*#k about some 3rd world shithole unless there's money it.

There is oil in Venezuela. The oil that the gov't has seized from foreign corps. The UN won't fire a round to defeat this authoritarian Marxist regime. They'll do nothing.

Does Obama have any statements on the starving people there? The Marxist oppression of their own people?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:49pm PT
"You haven't met me old man
You may want to talk to a few people
I'm not too little and I'm too weak .
And I don't have a heart that needs surgery to keep pumping
lol "

I think you are nothing but a big piece of air, not much to you.


Again, do you want to find out?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
"Just your political thread ya big crazy lunatic .
Just yours ., "


Heel biter.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 2, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
TMI DAD!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 05:00pm PT
Now what ??
You gonna drive over ?

Wouldn't waste my time but if you do come to Colorado or New Mexico I could take you out climbing and drag you up a climb and then we could take it from there.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 05:06pm PT
"Yes Bob, I believe in God, Jesus, and angels.
Good for you

There is far more evidence for their existence, and it takes far less faith to believe in them, than it does your fairy tale of evolution.

Faith is not evidence. That is why it is called faith.


Yeah, the universe evolved by chance from some single-cell amoeba...or whatever it is you believe. Go ahead Bob, bank your existence on THAT.

I do, my life here is pretty good, thanks for your concern.
F

climber
away from the ground
Aug 2, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
And all this time I thought God was a Black woman....

Cue exploding heads.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 05:22pm PT
"Haha

That would be nice ...
Maybe sometime we can do that ..
Maybe look at some birds too ."


The climbing and birding in the area are both very good. :-)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 05:23pm PT
I think Riley's already in the Global Warming Zone....you can tell by the ice and birds.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
"Bob D'A.....I'm curious.....does your wife know of the things you post here?""


Yes, she loves birds too.



What???

Are you really serious?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 05:30pm PT
And I answer it.
WBraun

climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 05:32pm PT
Radical

Some of the funniest sh!t I've read here in a long long time.

Hahahaha

It's mostly been so mundane, boring stupid and sterile until you took these politards for a ride.

LMAO

You're killing it ......
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
"Thank you....you told me everything in your answer."

You told me everything in your question.




Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
Yes Bob, I believe in God, Jesus, and angels. There is far more evidence for their existence, and it takes far less faith to believe in them, than it does your fairy tale of evolution.

Indeed the world looks pretty flat to you.

Curt
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:24pm PT
People who sign their names at the end of their posts when their name is already their usernames are not to be trusted.

I even occasionally sign emails, letters and other things I write.

Curt
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 2, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 06:55pm PT
Cragman...please throw you energy somewhere else. Not needed.


It was a question suggested by my wife, when I showed her your posts.

She's proud of me that I still pray for you.

I see your wife is just as arrogant as you.


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 07:28pm PT
The house of cards is falling...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/meg-whitman-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0
Norton

Social climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:00pm PT
My wife knows I post here but she doesn't know my affinity for intersex porn.


There are some things soft minds cannot handle, like War and Firefighting and Cambodian Ladyboys.



BOB WHEN DID YOU STOP BEATING YOUR WIFE?

monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:06pm PT
And GDavis goes on Cragman's prayer list.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 08:10pm PT
The arrogance is beyond me, been with my wife since I was 15, three children, still deeply in love and two holy rollers who we never met or want to meet are questioning my wife and me.


Doesn't get any stranger from that guy.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
It's desperation, Bob. Everyone can see that the wheels are coming off the Trump clown car campaign. Anyone with a sense of decency is jumping ship, or preparing to.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 08:14pm PT
Crankster, but Trump is the head of the party of Jesus, Married there times, five children from those three different wives, cheat and screw over other business people, insults Muslims, African Americans, women, gays and just about anyone who disagrees with him.


Speaking of porn, read the republican platform on it and you have Trump's latest wife who willing pose nude for money. Hypocrisy at it's finest.


And Cragman and his wife have the balls to question me and my wife on our relationship.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
Blinded by hate, Bob. Try to see the good in them and let it go. Not worth it.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2016 - 08:29pm PT
Crankster...he needs to pray for himself.


I can take anything his type throw at me, bringing my wife and my marriage into this he is stepping way over a boundary that he even he should know not to cross.




I think I'll trash up the thread with photos jus like Jody. :-)
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:45pm PT
Even the Oil Companies have come clean and said they fabricated and funded the climate change denial hoax.

Yet the people that will have to be judged as all having an extremely low IQ still believe the denial hoax.

Exxon are in court for first investigating climate change and then fabricating lies that contradicted their earlier findings

We will wish these denialist's the best
For they have demonstrated that it's possible to be a complete brainwashed dupe and a failure as a human in being able to discern fact from fiction.
They are unknowingly the Tools of the Fossil Fuel Industry.
They prey on these idiots to spread the flat earth BS, and these low IQ folks suck it up like candy, they want to believe the lies, it's so important to prove those Gov. funded scientists wrong. they yell "They need GCC to be true to get funded!"

And Now
When science and the mainstream media revealed that the Fossil Fuel Industry fabricated the whole denial scam, it's over.
Being Anti-Science will never work out for you, it's a losing proposition, you lost, you failed, your precious lies about GCC failed you, you get an "F" in understanding how science works.


At the core, It's all about hating environmentalists and liberals.
They have to fight against those commie tree hugging liberal regulations that will let ISIS kill us all!!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 08:59pm PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/meg-whitman-hillary-clinton.html

Meg Whitman, a Hewlett Packard executive and Republican fund-raiser, said Tuesday that she would support Hillary Clinton for president and give a “substantial” contribution to her campaign in order to stop Donald J. Trump, whom she berated as a threat to American democracy.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Aug 2, 2016 - 09:27pm PT
bringing my wife and my marriage into this he is stepping way over a boundary that he even he should know not to cross.


quite being such a derogary term for a homosexual.


you post mean sh#t all day. Don't draw goalposts ya big baby.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Aug 2, 2016 - 10:45pm PT
It's almost like the old supertopo, except cragman hasn't started crying about how he is quitting supertopo yet. 5,4,3,2...
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Aug 2, 2016 - 11:26pm PT
spot on...good on ya
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Aug 2, 2016 - 11:38pm PT

Believe you me
jstan

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:48am PT
Recently I posted about the possibility Trump might voluntarily exit the race. A substantial part of his quote of his net worth is based upon the presumed value of his name. That value may be affected by his actions or performance in the campaign, something he would be loath to have happen. Anyway, this possibility is now in play.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senior-gop-officials-exploring-options-trump-drops/story?id=41089609

This article posits that for a change in the name on ballots to be made in time for the election, he will have voluntarily to drop out by early September. The skill with which the Democratic convention was staged supports the idea that there are some pretty bright people involved. Those people will be anxious Trump does not drop out. It would seem the campaign between now and early September will be a walk on a very sharp knife's edge.

Personally. I think the country would have the best chance for a productive election if the RNC were to ask Bernie to replace Trump. This is not a negative statement about Hillary's qualifications. I meant it when I posted that the Democrats have "a very deep bench."
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 07:52am PT
That [Trump name] value may be affected by his actions or performance in the campaign

Indeed.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:05am PT
Not sure if this was posted, but Trump says if he loses, it will be because the election was rigged.

We've had over two hundred years of peaceful transitions of power, and this narcissistic puke is challenging it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-trump-a-new-rigged-system-the-election-itself/2016/08/02/d9fb33b0-58c4-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_rigged-745pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

He has no respect for our best traditions. This is what dictators do, folks. I would call on Ryan and McConnell to challenge him on this but they are spineless enablers.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:13am PT
Itching for a nuclear war? Vote Trump!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:14am PT
"...Trump says if he loses, it will be because the election was rigged.


Trump is a whiney bitch. Why would any self-respecting Republi-tard vote for this hack?
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:19am PT
Trump's ego can't stand the thought of getting whipped by a woman, so it is already building a protective wall to keep the truth out.
jstan

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:19am PT
He has no respect for our best traditions. This is what dictators do, folks. I would call on Ryan and McConnell to challenge him on this but they are spineless enablers.

Yesterday two people, Meg Whitman a republican and President Obama a Democrat, expressed what Dirtbag says above. McConnell and Ryan will need to follow Whitman in the next couple of weeks. Don't rule out the possibility McConnell and Ryan are both patriots.

If they do step up to the plate Obama will need to give them both deep secret service protection.


Careful, Trump may drop out and the repubs will replace with Kasich, who polled much better than Clinton

All through the past eight years Obama has demonstrated he understands the American form of government does not assure him he will get what he wants. We have a patriot on our hands. If it is Kasich, then it is Kasich.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:20am PT
K-man, that's not hyperbole, either.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:23am PT
No, it is not.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:24am PT
Careful, Trump may drop out and the repubs will replace with Kasich, who polled much better than Clinton
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 3, 2016 - 08:50am PT
Even the Oil Companies have come clean and said they fabricated and funded the climate change denial hoax.

Yet the people that will have to be judged as all having an extremely low IQ still believe the denial hoax.

Exxon are in court for first investigating climate change and then fabricating lies that contradicted their earlier findings

We will wish these denialist's the best
For they have demonstrated that it's possible to be a complete brainwashed dupe and a failure as a human in being able to discern fact from fiction.
They are unknowingly the Tools of the Fossil Fuel Industry.
They prey on these idiots to spread the flat earth BS, and these low IQ folks suck it up like candy, they want to believe the lies, it's so important to prove those Gov. funded scientists wrong. they yell "They need GCC to be true to get funded!"

And Now
When science and the mainstream media revealed that the Fossil Fuel Industry fabricated the whole denial scam, it's over.
Being Anti-Science will never work out for you, it's a losing proposition, you lost, you failed, your precious lies about GCC failed you, you get an "F" in understanding how science works.


At the core, It's all about hating environmentalists and liberals.
They have to fight against those commie tree hugging liberal regulations that will let ISIS kill us all!!

More juicy hyperbole from the smartest guy in the room. ;-)
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 3, 2016 - 09:02am PT
Sketch, Happy to see you spreading the message
I was hoping that masterpiece post wouldn't get buried

Please repost Often!

at what age did you Fail to understand science?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 10:36am PT
Nor would I want to see Trump's kids entering and exiting the White House.
Think about it. Could you imagine those optics everyday? Yikes!
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:19pm PT
If Hillary wins, it is the Republicans fault for allowing Trump to happen.

Allowing it? They caused it.

Curt
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:31pm PT
How about this other Trump supporter, Katrina Pierson.
She too could talk a few nails out of a two by four.

Get to know your CNN media Trumpkins...

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:32pm PT
A new report claims that the United States paid Iran $400 million to release four American prisoners.

When Iran released the hostages in January, including journalist Jason Rezaian and former U.S. Marine Amir Hekmati, the Obama administration denied that they had paid ransom to the country.

However, according to new information first reported by the Wall Street Journal, $400 million worth of currency was flown into Tehran on a cargo plane around the same time as the prisoners were released.

The plane was reportedly carrying Euros, Swiss Francs and other currencies because Iranian transactions involving dollars is not legal under U.S. law.

Margaret Brennan reported that U.S. officials said the timing was coincidental.

Coincidence indeed.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:44pm PT
Jody, the Republicans have lost the popular vote in 5 or the last 6 Presidential elections

in fact in the last two elections by over 8 million votes

clearly, the American voting public prefers a Democrat in the White House

why do you suppose they don't want a Republican? think about it, any idea?

dirtbag

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:53pm PT
Yep. Jody has put country ahead of party.

I respect his man Cruz for telling trump in a supreme way to F off. As trump's implosion accelerates, Cruz will get the last laugh.
Byran

climber
Half Dome Village
Aug 3, 2016 - 12:54pm PT
Thinking I'll probably vote for Gary Johnson. I'd almost say he has a chance to win, but I think it will take a couple more decades until social media is so influential that the Dem/Repub establishment will be made obsolete. Right now the biggest demographic of voters is old people who tend to vote their party ticket without ever paying attention to politics or what the candidates have to say, and "going viral" on social media doesn't reach them. That's how Hillary won the nomination over Bernie I think.

But I do think a Libertarian in the white house would go a long ways toward mending some of the partisan politics that have been fermenting these last several years. Whereas either a Trump or Clinton presidency would just polarize America even further. I probably would have voted for Ron Paul over Obama in '08 had he won the Republican primary.

Plus when Gary Johnson was asked "If you could be anywhere other the campaign trail right now, where would it be?" His response: "Rock climbing".

[Click to View YouTube Video]

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EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:29pm PT
clearly, the American voting public prefers Republicans running Congress.

Why is that?
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:33pm PT
Why is that?

Gerrymandering.

Curt
c wilmot

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:33pm PT
It will be interesting to see if Clinton will continue her support of the black lives matters group now that they are calling for reparations over "environmental racism" and " food apartheid" amongst other things
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:35pm PT
Gerrymandering.

Curt

How did the Democrats let that happen?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:47pm PT
Trump says if he loses, it will be because the election was rigged.

I don't see him going down without a fight, and I would not be surprised if his followers don't riot, after the election.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
Trump is funneling 20% of his campaign financing to his own companies. His campaign is running out of money. I bet he declares his 7th bankruptcy and walks with the cash as usual.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:04pm PT
Finally, the Democrats offer more stuff for free.

The Republicans offer even more stuff for free, it just goes to a different demographic.
Byran

climber
Half Dome Village
Aug 3, 2016 - 02:15pm PT
How did the Democrats let that happen?

Interestingly the minority candidates do have an incentive to let the opposition cut up the state in their favor. The Republicans get a bunch of victories spread out across winnable but close races, which is good for the party. While a couple Democrats gets to crush the competition in their deep-blue districts, which is good for the incumbents (not the party obviously). But that doesn't answer why the Republicans dominate Congress. The real reason is that Democrats mostly just vote in presidential elections and they simply didn't show up for the midterms.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 03:58pm PT
clearly, the American voting public prefers Republicans running Congress.

no they do not

fact: more Americans voted for Democrats than Republicans in the last congressional election

but because the Republican state legislatures did such a good job slicing up neighborhoods to favor Republican districts, think 2010 Tea Party, more Repubs were actually elected than got votes for

do you think that is right, to get elected even when you got less votes?
dirtbag

climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:11pm PT
I agree with everything but your last paragraph, Jody. Nice commentary, though.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:17pm PT
"The Pledge" was an absolutely stupid thing to begin with.
It was a stunt to nail Trump and it bac fired badly.
In actuality he had the best initial position as he hedged along the lines "of wait and see how things unfold".
To request a blind faith pledge was stupid and the intent had nothing to do with party loyalty but was a rather transparent attempt at a "gotcha" to Trump. 99% of the time "gotchas" will only backfire.

My Republican ancestors from Western Pa (guns and bibles...not so sure 'bout the bibles but DEFINITELY the guns) are creating earthquakes all over the family plots they are doing so much rolling over.

Susan

Edit.
Neither do I. I am at a loss as to why so many people have swallowed their dignity and defend him.
. Because sometimes people hate something more than they love something ( or can accept). Witness how many kids are destroyed in horrific divorces because the parents hate each other more than they care about the well being of the kids. The visceral HATE for Obama and Clinton gave perfect rise to Trump because he took the discourse to the lowest possible level and tapped into the evil twin which resides in all of us to really kick somebody hard, real hard in the nuts. Give voice to that 24/7 by a " personality" and you've peeled back the self regulation most of us learn as we mature.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2016 - 04:32pm PT
Hillary's approval rating when she left office as SOS. Off the wall at 69 per-cent.


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/17/wsjnbc-poll-hillary-clinton-exits-with-69-approval-rating/
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
Nothing's worse than seeing otherwise normal people fall for the 'Crooked Hillary' fable.

Repeat lies long enough - 25 years in this case - and the masses believe it.

She's been in the trenches fighting the good fight as a radical, as First Lady, as a maverick, as a female, as a change-agent since before Bill was president. And the right wing conservative power elite HATED HER for it. Those are the roots of it. And the subintelligencia ate it up. And they stil do. Start with the Safire piece.

What an eye opener.

She's a superwoman. Talk about a sustained project. Few others could've done what she's done. Over such a distance with such attention, focus and competence. That's why she's earned the presidency.

I'm sick and tired of hearing no-nothings say she's no better than trump - that there's no difference. The difference couldn't be any more stark. It's the difference bet lightning and the lightning bug.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 3, 2016 - 04:56pm PT
Hillary is no better than trump.

There's no difference.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2016 - 05:00pm PT
"Hillary is no better than trump.

There's no difference."


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/17/wsjnbc-poll-hillary-clinton-exits-with-69-approval-rating/
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
fact: more Americans voted for Democrats than Republicans in the last congressional election

That's a lie.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
"For 2010 and 2012, we relied on official tallies of the total votes cast in all Senate races released by the Federal Elections Commission. Those results show that Republican Senate candidates outperformed Democrats by 2,733,121 votes in 2010, while Democrats outperformed Republicans by a much larger 10,867,709 votes in 2012."



High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:39pm PT
There's no shame, dmt, in following others who are doing the noble work.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 3, 2016 - 05:48pm PT
That's a lie.

Just to be sure:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2014
Republican Party 40,081,282 51.2%
Democratic Party 35,624,357 45.5%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2014
Republican 24,631,488
Democrat 20,875,493
Norton

Social climber
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
Not a "lie", derp

mid terms like the 2014 are non events, very low interest and turn out

I am talking about the last major election, the big one, the 2012

and here are the results, showing more people voted for Dems than Repus


e • d Summary of the 6 November 2012 United States House of Representatives election results
Parties Seats Popular Vote
2010 2012 +/- Strength Vote % Change
Democratic Party 193 201 +8 46.2% 59,645,531 48.8% +3.9%
Republican Party 242 234 -8 53.8% 58,228,253 47.6% -4.1%


are we clear now?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
locker

"Hillary is no better than trump."...

You have a right to your opinion, as do I...

and my opinion is...

your opinion sucks...

;-)

It was a joke.

Derp.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 3, 2016 - 06:34pm PT
Norton

Social climber

Aug 3, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
Not a "lie", derp

mid terms like the 2014 are non events, very low interest and tern out

I am talking about the last major election, the big one, the 2012

and here are the results, showing more people voted for Dems than Repus


e • d Summary of the 6 November 2012 United States House of Representatives election results
Parties Seats Popular Vote
2010 2012 +/- Strength Vote % Change
Democratic Party 193 201 +8 46.2% 59,645,531 48.8% +3.9%
Republican Party 242 234 -8 53.8% 58,228,253 47.6% -4.1%

are we clear now?

Wow.

All that, instead of simply owning up.

How sad. Very Trumpesque.
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Aug 3, 2016 - 09:10pm PT
I try to climb...but tweaked my ankle on the approach...so now I'm just sitting around drinking beer and reading this bizarre Sh#t,..and loving it.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 09:29am PT
"Obama quietly shuttles 400 million in unmarked cash in an unmarked aircraft, to pay a ransom to terrorists."


Classic Fox News interpretation of facts.

In fact, all Obama did was release a bunch of Iranian funds here in the US that have been on lockdown for a long time.

You may not like the terms of the deal, but characterizing it as 'ransom' is just plain lying, delusional, or manipulative. Or a lot of all of these things.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 4, 2016 - 09:36am PT
When Reagan really did pay ransom to the Iranians, they were cool with that.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2016 - 09:38am PT
"Despicable."


Yes your lack of telling the truth.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ap-fact-check-trump-off-base-on-clinton-and-400-million-iran-payment/


I will chant for you tonight.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 09:49am PT
Cragman, your interpretation of these facts is not going to change, no matter how off base you happen to be.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2016 - 09:49am PT
Can you read...it is from AP. Facts mean nothing to you.


I will chant double tonight for you.



WBraun

climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 09:57am PT
Main stream corporate news media brainwashed whores all provide news that they are spoon fed by their masters as facts.

They'll present anything right away believing it as facts.

Then the the Hillary loons regurgitate it all here again.

So stooopid, just as cows do in the field .....
dirtbag

climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:00am PT
Actually, many outlets, not just cbs, are reporting the same thing.

Whatever. You don't know what you think you know, and you won't let pesky facts get in the way of a good ignorant rant.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:01am PT
What's lame about it? Your characterization of the release of impounded funds?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2016 - 10:06am PT

"They'll present anything right away believing it as facts."



Disprove it duck.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:19am PT
ok, so let us assume that the Administration DID pay 400 million to free American hostages

I say GOOD, 400 million is a pittance in our 3 trillion dollar annual budget

get our people home and safe, congratulations for freeing them

of course, that is not what happened unless you believe the moon landing was also faked
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 4, 2016 - 10:30am PT
of course, that is not what happened

Another one of your "facts"?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2016 - 10:34am PT
"Another one of your "facts"?"


Disprove it.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 4, 2016 - 06:28pm PT
EdwardT...Does your wife read your posts...?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 4, 2016 - 06:37pm PT
I wasn't aware that tag-team posting was allowed by the moderators...That's BAD !!!
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Aug 4, 2016 - 06:42pm PT

..why then was it paid in secret....at night....in cash.....on an unmarked plane......right when 4 Americans are released.....etc....etc....?????

I'm not weighing in on "why it might have been paid, or not" but I'm not so sure it would be prudent to be blazing around in neon, "hey 400 million in cash on board".


Susan
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 4, 2016 - 06:47pm PT
The pilot had a sign on the cockpit door that said " please , no bills larger than twenties after 10 PM " ...
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 4, 2016 - 06:49pm PT
With Klimmer gone, I guess it's Sketch family's turn in the barrel.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
Only in the weird reality of Donald Trump.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-iran-intelligence-briefing_us_57a26249e4b04414d1f370b9?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 06:56pm PT
He is such an embarrassment, I'm going to have to cut back
on cable news even more. (His face and his latest faux pas
are so overbearing now.) It's so sad. The man lies
shamelessly and the masses (American) eat it up.
Double sad.

No wonder the man's got a working vocabulary centered on such
words as liar, crooked, corrupt, dishonest, fraud, etc.. It's understandable they
are foremost in his consciousness.

I'm so glad Obama's in office. He's the epitome of decency
and thoughtfulness. A true role model for the younger gens.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 4, 2016 - 07:03pm PT
Totally. Just think how great the world would be if everyone doubled their total debt.

It would be pink unicorns and sugar plum fairies.....
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 07:04pm PT
Where in the heck is H. Ross Perot when we really need him?


High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 07:04pm PT
So Trump's the panacea for the debt problem?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 4, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
I'm waiting for a photo op of a Gulf Sream jet with Hillary standing on the wing , sporting a thong and clutching a semi-atuo...That would be so cool...
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2016 - 07:12pm PT
"Totally. Just think how great the world would be if everyone doubled their total debt.

It would be pink unicorns and sugar plum fairies....."


Debt compare to net worth. Go figure.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 07:15pm PT
Totally. Just think how great the world would be if everyone doubled their total debt.

Amnesia again?

Ever seen the move, "clueless"

IF you are really concerned about the "debt" then stop voting Republican

what part of the US Constitution do you still not understand?

spending bills originate in the House and must be voted into law by the House

the House has been in solid Republican majority since 2010





High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 4, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
"Trump says dumb things but get over it." -Clint Eastwood

Clint!!

The man's not interviewing for restaurant supervisor or county
dog catcher, he's running for President of the United States. Sheesh!!!
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:47pm PT
^^^^^^^^Oh look, it's the swan singer. I thought you were leaving because of all the ST gun nutz? I see that quitting SuperTopo is the adult version of running away from home. Sneak back once you realize no one noticed you left?

What's Obeezy signing there? Left Hand Suzuki Method....

SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Aug 4, 2016 - 08:50pm PT
^^^^^. And the Republicans say he never compromised!!!

Susan
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 4, 2016 - 09:13pm PT
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 5, 2016 - 12:13am PT
*
Hey.. slimy spewing flatworm, ps...He never said he was leaving, (your interpretation) ..and he did not sneak back..



Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 5, 2016 - 05:52am PT
*
Hey.. slimy spewing flatworm, ps...He never said he was leaving, (your interpretation) ..and he did not sneak back..

swan song
noun
1. the last act or manifestation of someone or something; farewell appearance:

"he has decided to make this tour his swan song"

So you're saying that he was too stupid to know what swan song meant when he said it? I guess I can believe that too.

Welcome back toprope, I'm glad you didn't take up with a bunch of Carnies when you ran away from home, I mean SuperTopo.



fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 5, 2016 - 06:43am PT
It was just a fluke.
couchmaster

climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 06:51am PT

Penn Jillette (did 2 seasons on Celebrity Apprentice) weighs in on Hillary, Trump, Obama and more. Nails it: again. http://reason.com/archives/2016/08/02/penn-jillette-on-libertarianism-election/
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 07:33am PT
Just in. Obama discusses Iran money transfer at press conference.

Oops. January 2016.



The Wall Street Journal story is actually describing a payment that President Obama announced back in January. What’s more, the payment was the result of a 35-year case in international court — and had nothing to do with any "hostage" payments.


http://www.vox.com/2016/8/4/12370848/ransom-iran-400-million
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 5, 2016 - 10:21am PT
although it is a punk rock song but you won't get it because you are a fake punk rocker.

Cool, never had a song dedicated to me, thanks.

You know what they say, its better to be a fake punk rocker than a genuine as#@&%e.

I'm sure the debut will be great. Sorry I will miss it. I'll send tomatoes for the crowd. Along with some JPFO stickers you can hand out after the show.

Break a leg.

Johnson/Weld 2016
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 5, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
I think this Trump supporter is pretty cute...

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 5, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
Trump still seems to think he's in this election. But I guess that's not news...
clifff

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Aug 8, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
Former President Jimmy Carter had some harsh words to say about the current state of America's electoral process, calling the country "an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery" resulting in "nominations for president or to elect the president." When asked this week by The Thom Hartmann Program (via The Intercept) about the Supreme Court's April 2014 decision to eliminate limits on campaign donations, Carter said the ruling "violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/jimmy-carter-u-s-is-an-oligarchy-with-unlimited-political-bribery-20150731

https://www.google.com/#q=jimmy+carter+oligarchy
jstan

climber
Aug 9, 2016 - 09:42pm PT
One of today's brouhahas:

US election: Anger over Donald Trump gun rights remarks
10 August 2016


Republican Donald Trump has sparked anger by appearing to suggest his supporters could stop his rival Hillary Clinton by exercising their gun rights.

He said that Mrs Clinton would put liberal justices on the Supreme Court if she wins the presidency in November, threatening gun ownership rights.

Speaking at a rally in North Carolina, Mr Trump hinted that gun rights advocates could stop her taking power.

That sparked an online backlash, many accusing him of inciting violence.

But his campaign team said he was actually talking about getting gun rights supporters to the ballot box to enact change politically.

The remarks that sparked the firestorm were made at a rally in Wilmington on Tuesday afternoon.

Read and judge for yourself what he was suggesting.

The Republican presidential nominee said of his Democratic opponent: "Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, and if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks.
"But the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."


Trump's stature is going down day by day. It looks as though there is no limit to what the man will say or do. Frankly, this is not a person with whom anyone would choose to do business.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 9, 2016 - 10:02pm PT
As I called it - November is way too far out. Trump can't keep his mouth shut, none of his handlers can get a rein on him, and there's still 90 more days for him to derail any remaining delusions voters might harbor that he is capable of sound judgment, propriety or has any grasp on reality.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Aug 9, 2016 - 11:30pm PT
I did not investigate the dust up between Escopeta, and whom ever .
I don't care if the guy traps n kills shjt, I don't care who he votes for.
I would tie in with him in a flash and think he knows his crap noise too
Punk was born of the apathy of youth. Me., I was there when
punk bands vomited forth from the bowls of abused childhood.
To eventually go full circle, the old junky geezers all of 26 years old.
Took liberties they shouldn't have,
then when the cops got wind, they left & formed black FAG! (Oopsie) Flag.
They, then, got the best places closed down to that sort of clowning . . .

Phook this !

Then, after posting this I went to see what the 'small rock', was going on?

Ho no no shjt it's the tragedy of the fighting fool topic !
The world is run by money that wants wars to hide the criminal acts surrounding
All the things that go down .

Someone else some where here already said this more directly:
"The Military / industrial complex" runs the shows around the globe.
The groaning behemoth, that only consumes is only interested in
the point where the largest profits, off the weak ,
the dying and the dead, can be had.

Timid & cool Nita?
Down in the dirt?
What has become of the all the gems of the whole site?

if all ya all do is fight about the things you can do no things about

really.

Trump, or H Clinton?
Who will persevere more of what we care about,
because both will take us to the very brink if not into all out War ,
with a mandatory service act to steal both
sons and daughters from their loving lives,
to stand up to the jive that a peace Nick black man ,
oh, half white, allowed to take place world wide.

About the best two legacies Obamalama has left us; an absolutely broken United States Of America, United in only the name alone.
And the successful resurgent tyranny of an reexpanding Russia.

Anyway the thing I wanted to know ?

.JFPO, what's that stand for?


Website
http://www.jpfo.org/
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) is a group dedicated to the preservation of gun rights in the United States and "to encourage Americans to understand and defend all of the Bill of Rights for everyone". The group was founded by former firearms dealer Aaron S. Zelman in 1989. The JPFO interprets the Second Amendment as recognizing a pre-existing natural right of individuals to keep and bear arms. It is based in Hartford, Wisconsin.[1]

JPFO takes the position that an armed citizenry is the population's last line of defense against tyranny by their own government.[2][3] The organization is noted for producing materials (bumper stickers, posters, billboards, booklets, videos, etc.) with messages that equate gun control with totalitarianism. The most famous of these are the "All in favor of Gun Control raise your right hand" materials, which features a drawing of Hitler giving a Nazi salute.[4] The organization also attempts to prove that genocide is linked to gun control, by showing that most countries where a genocide has taken place had gun control first.[5]

Phook this !

So now armed with this knowledge I need to say I am not anti gun!
I'm sad that life is always so complexe.
If my neighbor, or my neighborhood were to disarm, the fear of attack would cause a situation
Of self fulfilling prophecy .
The lesser drug lords, at war with each other, would turn to kidnapping.
If we look at where this has been tried, by letting the criminals have ' Hallowed Halls'
it was not this way 40 yrs ago.
generations of bribing leaders,
Running roughshod over society has made the rural areas no longer safe to go to.
That means more segmentation of the have nots, driving them to desperation. Thus primed the populace sees kidnapping, as a way to strike at the 'Haves'
Not a healthy society .
jstan

climber
Aug 10, 2016 - 03:29am PT
One hundred years ago, around the time of the First Great War, this was what used to happen in rural America.

The farmers in an area would band together when a disaster befell a neighbor's barn. It was rather like a mini Facelift. Just like now, there was evil in the world.

The world is never all one thing. The chance that good can be increased and evil decreased comes only when people stand up, stand up together, and continue standing up till the job is done. That's what an election is.


Edit:
The barn burned down in 1916 because my father had been experimenting with the timing of the Fairbanks/Morse engine driving the milking system. The photo belongs to the county historical society who claims this was the last barn raising in that part of New York State.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 10, 2016 - 04:42am PT
Hahaha. Farmers still help neighbors to rebuild their barn. You just aren't there to see it.

Oh and in politics Obeezy slid another executive order under the desk that chips away at gun owners. How far can they push it till it blows up? Hope it's after I've spent my retirement.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 10, 2016 - 06:38am PT
so Excopeta, which President has done more to expand the rights of individual gun owners in the last 40 years?

you will never guess, so look it up

also, the last EXecutive orders put out by President Obama were in January

I have read through them as I just know for sure you have

so what are your major problems with them?

funny, as a Concealed Carry Holder I don't have any
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 10, 2016 - 06:42am PT
Maybe cops shouldn't be allowed to have guns, can we agree on that?

A woman was fatally shot by a police officer while participating in a "shoot-don't shoot" exercise during a two-hour citizens academy hosted by the Punta Gorda Police Department in southwest Florida.

Police Chief Tom Lewis said the shooting happened Tuesday night as two of the 35 participants were randomly selected to take part in a live role-playing scenario "in which they make decisions on using simulated lethal force."

Lewis said Mary Knowlton, a librarian, was "mistakenly struck with a live round."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-police-academy-exercise-death-20160810-snap-story.html

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 10, 2016 - 06:48am PT
So Norton, are/were you a climber?

Or just a bitter old troll?

Both?
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 10, 2016 - 06:49am PT
also, the last EXecutive orders put out by President Obama were in January

And just think you consider yourself a self proclaimed expert in US politics.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 10, 2016 - 08:21am PT
also, the last EXecutive orders put out by President Obama were in January

I have read through them as I just know for sure you have

so what are your major problems with them?
    Norton

So Norton, are/were you a climber?

Or just a bitter old troll?

Both?
    EdwardT


EdwardT for the win!

That is, winning the title for being the person with the most meaningless, but bitter, posts.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 10, 2016 - 08:23am PT
You're awfully gracious in your defeat. Good on you
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 10, 2016 - 08:55am PT
EdwardT for the win!

Howdy K-man.

Don't you miss the old climate change thread, where you'd post some idiotic lie,... I'd call you on it,.. then you'd chase your tail, trying to save face? ;)

Good times.

Lots of laughs.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 10, 2016 - 09:29am PT
Edit: HA!!!! I just turned this into a GUN Thread

Careful with that. You'll get the ankle biters riled up. Might even get a song dedicated to you.

My Dad was a rifleman in the corps and was on the team. Since I've retired from shotgun competition, I'm enjoying exploring rifle-craft in the name of being a more confident big game hunter.

Sounds like your dad was a good dude. I have yet to pass through the tunnel you just emerged from but I did enjoy my final duck hunt with him last year and got a picture that will last a lifetime.

So, did Norton run off to look for excuses to this latest attack on firearms that he was ignorant of? I thought Norton was in Kali btw? It seemed to suit him.


EDIT: Your comment about scabbards and Harley's reminded me of an old timer that used to roll up to TripleBBB on his Harley with a leather scabbard. It was cool. He'd probably get gunned down in the name of officer safety today, but I liked it.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 10, 2016 - 10:30am PT
Howdy Sketch.

Don't you miss the old climate change thread, where you'd post some idiotic lie,... the K-man would call you on it,.. then you'd chase your tail, trying to save face? ;)

Good times.

Lots of laughs.

You and rick sumner are the only ones left
and he's gone bat F-ing crazy
good company
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 10, 2016 - 10:58am PT
Now I've got Craig Fry, known liar and thief, dry-humping my leg.

Down boy!

Down!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 10, 2016 - 11:07am PT
Yes
it's time for some leg humping the Daddy of all Leg Humpers
How many posts on the GCC thread? 1000s
All BS leg humping and personal attacks against the science crowd.

and known liar about other posters
he will just make up any lie to throw sh#t back at his foes


I'm a thief now??
BS, and blatant LIE

Prove it d#@&%e bag

Prove I lied and didn't say I was wrong after I found out the truth.

You lie about me lying.

Being wrong about something is not a lie.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 10, 2016 - 11:26am PT
Uh oh.... is this leading to another Craigie temper-tantrum... with him whining to the mods about all the unwarranted bullying?

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2016 - 11:43am PT
"Skip, don't be an as#@&%e."


Kinda like asking Trump not to be one.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 10, 2016 - 11:54am PT
The libtard mafia is rolling deep today.

Ridin' Dirty.
jstan

climber
Aug 10, 2016 - 01:28pm PT
A couple of comments regarding Trump's claiming his 2nd amendment statement was not interpreted correctly; What is real here?

1. Our interpretation probably should not be our main concern. Our principle concern should be how his statement is interpreted by wigged out freaks carrying guns. We know there are many.

2. If Hillary's security detail consisted of N agents, as of today we can expect there are now 2N.

3. Her intensified security may well begin to involve bullet proof glass screens and maybe even something as extreme as a Popemobile. The access the public has to her person will have to decrease.

4. The opposition will charge that this decrease is caused entirely by her personal aversion to contact with us.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 10, 2016 - 01:44pm PT
well, Donald says that what he said about the 2nd Amendment is actually a good thing
because it is going to help him in this election

do you guys agree with him that his poll numbers will go up now?
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Aug 10, 2016 - 01:46pm PT
Discussing politics when the election is rigged is kind of like discussing poker strategy when the deck is stacked. Fruitless and idiotic.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 10, 2016 - 01:49pm PT
Discussing rigged elections is fruitless and idiotic.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 10, 2016 - 02:23pm PT

EdwardT AKA Sketch

Trad climber

Retired

Aug 10, 2016 - 10:58am PT
Now I've got Craig Fry, known liar and thief, dry-humping my leg.

Let see, I make a comment about a post, sketch has a temper tantrum and starts name calling with some lies and smears

Then when we call him out for his smear post,
he says it's me that's having a temper tantrum!!

That's called Projection folks

all the right wingers depend on it for every time they think,
"I don't like what those people are doing, cause that's what I'm doing inside my brain, and I know it's Very Very Bad"

Blame everyone else for your short comings!

It's a sign of a lack of empathy

The Right wingers have dispelled empathy from our list of virtues, for them it's survival of the fittest, must kill my enemy before he kills me!
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 10, 2016 - 02:43pm PT
I'm enjoying exploring rifle-craft in the name of being a more confident big game hunter.

That's cool n'all but how about the 'Art of the Hunt'? It ain't about the gun at all, or bow for that matter...Where you from, Connecticut?

Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 10, 2016 - 02:44pm PT
I know that I post ridiculous semi humorous (at least to me ) quips and poems just to try and interject some humor into the dry, serious, and sometimes hostile sounding arguments that go on in the politics threads.

I get it that no one takes me seriously, I'm not too concerned about that.

My family leans to the liberal end of the spectrum so I'm used to more open-minded, civilized, and acceptance oriented politics conversations. We love our country and are concerned about national security, our environment, jobs, and the economy like most people. When I get around people of a more conservative bent, the political conversations are more fearful, sometimes blustery, often hostile, and typically racist. I'm not making this up, I've heard it all my life.

Have politics gotten way uglier or is it just that the ugliness has been more incited in this election?
Is my next statement an honest indication of attitudes held by white working class conservatives in this country?

After Obama was elected, during a sporting event I overheard an average white middle aged housewife excalaim to her group of friends, "One of you guys ought to shoot that (N word) and get him out of the White House, he's ruining everything. If any one of you had the balls you would do what was right!" Then they just went casually about eating their meal. They were acquaintances and I slunk away in cowardly horror, wondering that half of America would have to be rounded up by the Secret Service, tried and sent to prison for making death threats against our president.

So many conservatives both privately and publicly refused to acknowledge his presidency, always referring to him as Obama, or Mr. Obama, never President Obama. The only words I can summon about this are; disrespectful, infantile, and blatantly racist.

Don't play the race card some would say. This country is full of some ugly sh#t, nut bars, crazy people, and a hell of a lot of good people as well. Progressiveness is about moving forward. I guess things were worse back in the early 60s and before. I hate to see us (as a nation) sliding back into the revolting quagmire of the swamp people that many of us evolved from.

Go ahead and ignore this post, or refute it, I don't care. It would be interesting though, to see if anyone else here was willing to own it.

-bushman
(Sorry about all the edits, I am at work so my iPhone voice recognition is not so good)
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 10, 2016 - 03:47pm PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.

Aug 10, 2016 - 11:07am PT
Yes
it's time for some leg humping the Daddy of all Leg Humpers
How many posts on the GCC thread? 1000s
All BS leg humping and personal attacks against the science crowd.

and known liar about other posters
he will just make up any lie to throw sh#t back at his foes


I'm a thief now??
BS, and blatant LIE

Prove it d#@&%e bag

Prove I lied and didn't say I was wrong after I found out the truth.

You lie about me lying.

Being wrong about something is not a lie.

Then...

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.

Aug 10, 2016 - 02:23pm PT

Let see, I make a comment about a post, sketch has a temper tantrum and starts name calling with some lies and smears

Then when we call him out for his smear post,
he says it's me that's having a temper tantrum!!

That's called Projection folks

all the right wingers depend on it for every time they think,
"I don't like what those people are doing, cause that's what I'm doing inside my brain, and I know it's Very Very Bad"

Blame everyone else for your short comings!

It's a sign of a lack of empathy

The Right wingers have dispelled empathy from our list of virtues, for them it's survival of the fittest, must kill my enemy before he kills me!

You do go on.

<chortle>
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 10, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
That's cool n'all but how about the 'Art of the Hunt'? It ain't about the gun at all, or bow for that matter...Where you from, Connecticut?

I already have the art of the hunt part down, but thanks for asking. Like I said, I'm enjoying learning about the art of the rifle.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 10, 2016 - 04:25pm PT
Bushman - Interesting post. Since President Obama took office I've read/heard similar stories... open racism about our Commander-In-Chief... about my President. The thing is it's always by a liberal, on an internet forum. I've never heard anything remotely like your story from someone I in real life. Just from unknown internet personalities.

Clearly, President Obama has had to deal with a different kind of hate than any of his predecessors.

But I wonder about the validity of your story. An out of the blue anecdote, unrelated to any recent discussions. It seems more like colorful rhetoric, intended to stir the pot, than about life in America.

I apologize if my questioning your story offends. It just seems that modern-day racism is more prevalent among internet liberals than in my comparatively harmonious life.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
EdwardT is so right, especially when 72 percent of polled republicans still think Obama was not born in America.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 10, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
EdwardT is so right, especially when 72 percent of polled republicans still think Obama was not born in America.

Let's see that poll.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Aug 10, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
sketchtroll,
you are quite mistaken, as usual.
The attitude of the moron right wing talk faux news birther swiftbooter bengazi denier witchhunt neocon types is a continuing part of the population. The modern flavor didn't start under Obama, maybe under Goldwater, and accelerated with Reagun and the growth of right wing media. There are likely less of these types now than we had 25 years ago, but now they add the racist card with Obama that they didn't have with Clinton.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 10, 2016 - 04:46pm PT
sketchtroll,
you are quite mistaken, as usual.
The attitude of the moron right wing talk faux news birther swiftbooter bengazi denier witchhunt neocon types is a continuing part of the population

Good stuff, Splater.

Maybe you could tell about your own "my relatives are racists" experience.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Aug 10, 2016 - 04:54pm PT
It might seem difficult for a supposedly interested listener to miss the reporting of what some of the Trump supporters spew at rallies. But then again, the same types have very selective hearing.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 10, 2016 - 04:58pm PT
the % of Republicans who do not believe President Obama was born in the USA has gone down from its high

at present, remarkably, still over half still believe it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-trump-cruz-canadian-birth-eligibility_us_56940e76e4b0c8beacf7fe2d
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 10, 2016 - 05:22pm PT
8 months ago = "at present" 😆
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 10, 2016 - 05:28pm PT
Hey Escopeta;
I would like to talk with you.

10-4 Stand by.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 10, 2016 - 05:29pm PT
Edward,, yes that looks like the most recent poll, but you can go ahead and keep looking

try bing, yahoo and google, then report back




jstan

climber
Aug 10, 2016 - 05:41pm PT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired

Aug 10, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
EdwardT is so right, especially when 72 percent of polled republicans still think Obama was not born in America.

Let's see that poll.

Took a less than a minute’s research to find a source for the 72%. Has this kind of thing been happening to you for a long time? Could become limiting.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/291059-poll-majority-of-republicans-still-doubt-obamas

The poll found that 72 percent of registered Republican voters hold doubts about the president's citizenship.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2016 - 05:45pm PT
I thought I give Edward a chance to learn something by working for it.



Any questions Edward???
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 10, 2016 - 07:09pm PT
But I wonder about the validity of your story. An out of the blue anecdote, unrelated to any recent discussions. It seems more like colorful rhetoric, intended to stir the pot, than about life in America.
EdwardT

1. I was there when the threatening racist remarks were made about our president. I still know the person and their family as acquaintances and as members of the same hobby club I belong to. I never speak to them and avoid them like the plague. You can't pray or argue away that kind of a mindset.

2. My remark here about it was out of the blue. If it stirred the pot, so be it. I have been guilty of changing the subject or interrupting conversations before. Incidentally I've heard plenty of off color and sexist, or downright hateful remarks about Hillary Clinton from similar types as well.

3. Anyone that reads many of my posts knows when I'm joking, being whimsical, or am serious, and I wouldn't lie about such an insidious malaise as racism. I have made a minor study of identifying, red flagging, and avoiding racists, bully's, and bigots. Call it a survival instinct. Regarding the validity of the overheard racist remarks, anybody that knows me knows when I'm bullshitting or dead serious.

I don't have the quick wit or argumentative skills of many here and I am slow to type and post. Formulating arguments is not my thing. I do follow current events and watch PBS world news, several major news outlets, and listen to NPR. I never adhere to one particular news source, but try to eves drop on opposing views just to get the gist of what others might be thinking. I try to remain self informed and be careful of allowing myself to fully trust any person in public office.

Power trips in politics usually begin on the local level and you'll see people addicted to it first in HOAs and the Chamber of commerce, or in lower management in corporate world. Any time someone says they know what's best for the majority is a sure sign they have become one of the pod poeple. I can't stand those types as much as anyone, but there they are...

I try make observational comments about my views or opinions on these threads based upon my personal life experiences and what facts I glean from said media outlets. Talk radio shows are taboo and inflammatory to me and I avoid them. I chose not to let people of any persuasion, political or otherwise, tell me what to think.

Edit; Very few here really care to hear my political views. But as to the fervor exhibited by many on these political threads, I have chosen not to insult or denrgrate any who post, regardless of what may pass on the Internet as acceptable behavior to some. That doesn't mean I'm not passionate about my opinions or views.

Moving on.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 11, 2016 - 08:33am PT
I already have the art of the hunt part down, but thanks for asking. Like I said, I'm enjoying learning about the art of the rifle.

I can dig that. Are you getting into flint/percussion/lever/bolt etc. and what aspect/art of the gun/rifle/firearm are you interested in?
Today, I likes slashes. I have a buddy that builds flintlocks and his work blow your socks off. I've spent hours listening to his stories regarding building them and the individual history of a particular gun he is working on.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 11, 2016 - 09:42am PT
Although not a bowhunter I enjoy getting close to critters and don't see that desire waning anytime soon.

But in the end, I'm a math guy. So the collision of art and science that occurs at the crossroads of shooter skill and external ballistics has grabbed me. I'm intrigued by it.

A lot of my conservative hunting ethic has stemmed from a lack of knowledge in that space and I'm looking to expand my understanding in that area.

I have shot some flint lock patch & ball stuff as my uncle built several when I was a kid and when "primitive hunts" offered in some states were just that exactly. (Not so much anymore) I shot a turkey with a smoke pole when I was 12 and have taken several with my favorite .410. While it was fun, the reality is that for turkey hunting (and duck hunting) at least, the shot is the last act that holds no particular challenge so I haven't gotten all fired up to use anything but the 12ga these days.

Western big game hunting in harsh terrain and conditions is a little different in that regard.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 11, 2016 - 10:11am PT
I wouldn't hunt anywhere else in this country...jeebs, the mid-western/southern/eastern ethics are frikkin appalling, at least the stories I'm told. I'm also not saying it doesn't happen in the west, but sitting in treehouses shooting deer eating the corn you spread on the ground is ugly.


Cool on your approach, I can understand the challenge appeal. Science/Art blending is almost always fun and rewarding. Have fun and why not the bow? I've thought about it but have too many activities as it is.
Are you getting out this fall? I don't miss the big game stuff but I hella do the upland birds and dove even. I'm just lazy anymore when it comes to the haul out and butchering, plus I cut my meat intake to one day a week and I only hunt to put meat on the table, so I can 't justify the kill. I love my 12/20 gauge over/under.

Have fun with your new intriguing endeavor!
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 11, 2016 - 12:15pm PT
I'd corn chum the hell out of the place if it would guarantee me dinner...
Yeah, but you're skinny..

What are you, some moss scrubbing, excessive cleaning rap-bolter of pebbles trying to make climbing GREAT again or what?


jstan

climber
Aug 11, 2016 - 02:46pm PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-accuses-obama-of-being-the-founder-of-isis/2016/08/10/c148a5aa-5f68-11e6-84c1-6d27287896b5_story.html


At the evangelical summit in Orlando, Trump beseeched religious leaders to convince their followers to show up to vote for him

As I understand it, campaigning for a candidate from behind a pulpit causes the church to lose it’s religious tax exemption.

Even while admitting he may be defeated, Trump crosses lines.

He does not even know the lines are there.

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 11, 2016 - 04:20pm PT
I've hunted all across the country, and all over the world. Mostly with a shotgun vs. a rifle.

One thing I can tell you is that the Midwest and the East do NOT have the market cornered on retarded hunters doing stupid things. I've seen more of the most mind boggling ignorant, dangerous and unethical things right in my own back yard in Idaho than I've seen just about anywhere else, including Missouri where I grew up.

I think the main reason I never got into bow hunting is due to the fact that I am left-handed and no one else in my family or friends are left-handed so it was never the kind of thing where I would be like "Hey, let me try that". As a result, it was "meh, whatevers". I have respect for bow-hunters and their craft its just not what spins my crank. I've gotten WELL within bow range of a lot of prey so I'm not missing out on much.

Part of the new found focus on rifles is that I purposely avoided rifles (and pistols) while I was competing with shotguns so as not to detract and now I'm all over it!

I have a VERY active big game season coming up with a trip to Colorado for Antelope, an insanely good desert mule deer rut hunt tag and a friend with a "lifetime" elk tag that I get to participate in.

Plus loads and loads of ducks. Always ducks....
jstan

climber
Aug 11, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
Several years back one of the tame deer in Yosemite was killed with bow and arrow. Now that tops my list.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 11, 2016 - 05:53pm PT
"sitting in treehouses shooting deer eating the corn you spread on the ground is ugly."...

It also puts meat on the table to feed your family over the winter when you're laid off from your construction job.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 11, 2016 - 06:02pm PT
Opening day in Michigan you don't want to be in the woods without orange on...Never knew you were a pole smoker Escopeta...?
Norton

Social climber
Aug 11, 2016 - 06:09pm PT
Several years back one of the tame deer in Yosemite was killed with bow and arrow. Now that tops my list.

so what, the guy had a good time killing the stupid deer

killing animals is fun, and even necessary to put food on the table when your WallMart food stamp card is late that month, so don't knock killing, er, hunting
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Aug 11, 2016 - 08:06pm PT
^^dirt bags gone wild
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 12, 2016 - 07:51am PT
Massachusetts, Michigan, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Wyoming, have laws which reference blasphemy.

For example, Massachusetts, General Laws, Chapter 272, Section 36:

Whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior.

It makes one wonder, if these laws are never enforced, why does it matter that they exist? They may rarely be enforced but their existence allows for some cases to be brought forward. A Pennsylvanian filmmaker was turned down in 2007 for a corporate name “I Choose Hell Productions”, based on Pennsylvania’s blasphemy law. States have symbolic power to enforce these laws. It’s a form of moral condemnation as stated by Sarah Barringer Gordon, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

Blasphemy laws:

Restrict freedom of speech
Infringe on the right to freedom of religion
Often lead to human rights violations during enforcement
Can incite mass violence
Fail to promote religious harmony which is supposedly the intention

http://centreforinquiry.ca/blasphemy-laws-still-exist-in-the-united-states/
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 12, 2016 - 08:58am PT
talk about shooting yourself in the foot...



...

Here's an interesting site to add to the mix...

http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner

It uses info from betting markets.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 12, 2016 - 09:08am PT
Trump hasn't visited Tokerville...
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Aug 12, 2016 - 11:29am PT
Really not much going on at all. kind of boring actually.


Anyone out there ever watch the British comedy "The Young Ones"
If you have you know "Boring".
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 12, 2016 - 11:37am PT
Trumps tweet should be placed on every high profile billboard in the state of Utah. At the entrances to the State, to cottonwood canyons, entering the big cities.

Take gifts when given.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 12, 2016 - 11:42am PT
When you think about it, the last several weeks have demonstrated all you need to know about the two candidates:

Trump has been incapable of sending out his message, due to an inability to keep his mouth shut on off-topic issues that have enraged people.

Hillary is running a textbook campaign. Yes, she has gaffs, but she knows how to manage them, and make them one day stories, instead of doubling down, again and again.

This is a very practical demonstration of how the two presidencies would be.
Hillary's will be very boring, mechanical, technologic, and moving America foward in increments, with a minimum of danger.

Trumps would be a lurch from crisis to crisis, without a clue as to what is coming next. Every press conference will be a new cringe, both for America, and the rest of the world.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 12, 2016 - 11:55am PT
Re Trump's Tweet hating on Utah that HFCS just shared.

Unfortunately, Trump could strangle a puppy on live TV & he would still win Utah & Idaho.
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Aug 12, 2016 - 12:28pm PT
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-utah-tweet-fake/

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 12, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
Unfortunately, you could post a completely fake Trump tweet and people would still hump Hillary's leg.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 12, 2016 - 12:52pm PT
Posting fake Trump tweets is so unnecessary. He steps on his own d*ck pretty much every day. Just let him do his thing...
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 12, 2016 - 02:45pm PT
So I posted a fake trump tweet, looks like I got trolled. Sorry. Still, you have to admit the tone of the fake sounds just like him.

Trumps would be a lurch from crisis to crisis, without a clue as to what is coming next.

Too scary!
clifff

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Aug 13, 2016 - 11:46am PT
Noam Chomsky Can civilisation survive

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 13, 2016 - 12:13pm PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/08/13/the-world-is-getting-better-at-paid-maternity-leave-the-u-s-is-not/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_worldviews-leave-510am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Very interesting story of American non-competitiveness. I would think this is something both parties could get behind. This is very family oriented, and undoubtedly reduces medical expenses on kids (and mothers), and probably has lasting effects on many kids.

The world is getting better at paid maternity leave. The U.S. is not.

The truth is, however, that in the United States bearing a child comes at a high price for many women. Despite having one of the world's most advanced economies, the United States lags far behind other countries in its policies for expectant mothers. In addition to being the only highly competitive country where mothers are not guaranteed paid leave, it sits in stark contrast to countries such as Cuba and Mongolia that offer expectant mothers one year or more of paid leave.

Five low-unemployment countries (South Korea, Japan, Czech Republic, Austria and Denmark) offer mothers 52 weeks or more of paid leave. They're among 36 countries in total that, according to our data, provide the most generous paid leave for women. A majority of those countries — 32, to be exact — are in Europe. Russia offers women 140 days of paid maternity leave at 100 percent of their salary.

Experts say offering paid maternity leave can actually boost economic growth. Jody Heymann, founding director of the WORLD Policy Analysis Center and dean of the UCLA Fielding School of Public Health, says that European countries view paid leave for mothers as an investment in their economy. "Most countries have recognized that this is critical to the success of their economy," she said. "Countries can either work with half of their workforce or compete with their full workforce, which requires paid maternity leave."

As the chart below shows, the quality of maternal leave has improved in 56 countries. More governments are starting to either offer paid maternal leave or increase it; at least 190 countries mandate some type of paid leave for mothers of infants.

The nine countries of the world that do not provide paid maternal leave are the United States, Suriname, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Niue, Nauru, Palau, Papua New Guinea, and Tonga.

Proud to be in that company.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 13, 2016 - 01:27pm PT
I'm guessing Paid maternity leave in the US is a low priority for American politicians who are fearful of angering their corporate sponsors...Like Chomsky said in his up thread lecture on American capitalism .. America's working masses have little influence on labor policy thanks to the army of corporate lobbyist in Washington DC pushing pro business , anti -worker legislation..
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 13, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
I'll agree that I'd be careful about creating a system of required employer-funded leave, although there might be a cut-off in terms of corporate size, the rest directly funded.

But here's the funny thing: the immediate counter-argument is that it will drive the corporations off-shore.

Well, since all the places they'd move to already has it, wouldn't it have been driving those same companies ON-shore??????
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 13, 2016 - 08:35pm PT
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 13, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 13, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 13, 2016 - 08:37pm PT
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 13, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Denver CO
Aug 13, 2016 - 08:39pm PT

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monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 13, 2016 - 08:40pm PT
Pyro, Trump 'wins' the internet, Clinton wins the presidency.

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Aug 13, 2016 - 08:56pm PT
Unfortunately, you could post a completely fake Trump tweet and people would still hump Hillary's leg.

surprising you could get that out of your mouth with trumps sausage down your throat.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 14, 2016 - 12:21pm PT
It's still a llllloooonnnngggg ways to November. So much stuff could still happen.

And in an election year that has had as much weirdness as this one, it seems a sure bet that there's more shoes to drop.

Complacency = failure
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 14, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
Pyro,

I have reported trumps fb page as abusive.

Nice. That should make you feel really good about yourself.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 16, 2016 - 08:13am PT
I found this on the Internet, but find it appropriate for all the anti-government types on this site
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 16, 2016 - 08:34am PT
Many libertarians and conservatives believe government should provide for the general welfare of the people, but they think it should usually be limited to things that are "public goods".
Coach37

Social climber
Philly
Aug 16, 2016 - 08:45am PT
"believe government should provide for the general welfare of the people"

Let me help you make that accurate:

"libertarians and conservatives believe government should provide for the general welfare of the people WHO LOOK LIKE THEM"

Pryo, let he help you understand something. Like a trainwreck, people cannot look away from Trump, myself included. I will vote for Hillary, and would vote for the democrat regardless whether it was her or Bernie or anyone else. But I don't follow her social media, because I made my choice long ago, like 15 years ago during the Cheney presidency. I enjoy watching Trump, because he is an absurd buffoon, and is doing a great job at sticking a fork in the GOP and handing the White House and Senate to the democrats. So I love Trump, the only candidate on the right who could have possibly swung the Senate to the Dems. Good job Donnie Deadbeat, keep it up please!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 16, 2016 - 09:56am PT
We should do everything we can to keep Trump's trumpisms in perspective...


http://www.vox.com/2016/8/16/12486586/2016-worst-year-ever-violence-trump-terrorism
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 16, 2016 - 10:06am PT
pyro's posts are interesting. I suspect many people "like" Trump in the same way they like NASCAR--for the crashes.

Curt
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Aug 17, 2016 - 10:30am PT
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rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Aug 17, 2016 - 10:59am PT
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts
slabbo

Trad climber
colo south
Aug 17, 2016 - 02:15pm PT
Was the glue dry yet ??

Pretty slim chances that The Donald gets the electoral votes...nothing else really means much.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 18, 2016 - 04:56pm PT
"Now the State Department admits it was a payment for ransom."

Link, Cragman?
Norton

Social climber
Aug 18, 2016 - 05:10pm PT
ok, let me try to see if I can explain this real simple like

For over 20 years the United States has had billions of dollars of IRAN'S MONEY in OUR banks

and we have refused to give it back to them until they agree to our SANCTIONS

a "sanction" is a punishment, ok?

now some really dumb Americans got captured and were being held in Iran

and now finally, after years of Iran kissing our ass and complying with our punishments
because they wanted their billions back

we agree to give them SOME of it back, only 400 million because they complied

but to sweeten the pot our President also demanded that they give our Americans back

this called a win win, and because the US does not have traditional banking ties with Iran we could not do like a Paypal transfer, and so had to give them real money

now there really are some people who will try real hard to twist this win win thing into some kind of "statement" or "conspiracy theory" and these are the really dumb people

which one are you?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 18, 2016 - 05:10pm PT
re: "payment for ransom"

That's just silly, Cragman.
Like human footprints in dinosaur fossil.

But why argue with the hannitys of the world.
Waste of time.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 18, 2016 - 05:27pm PT
So, when you take your car in for repairs, but you have to pay the bill before getting the car back, you consider that you have been the victim of ransom?

The smartly took advantage of an ongoing process, to leverage the return of captured American.

I know, I know, you prefer the Trump approach---bombing them to hell.

Or I guess returning the money, WITHOUT getting the Americans.

We can look forward to such great diplomatic decisions!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 18, 2016 - 05:39pm PT
"Now the State Department admits it was a payment for ransom."

Link, Cragman?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 18, 2016 - 05:54pm PT
Good lord,

how would you all like to be in Ryan Lochte's speedo today?
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Aug 18, 2016 - 05:59pm PT
Some reality would be whether or not the state department admitted to paying ransome...
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 18, 2016 - 05:59pm PT
Cragman? Are you just trying to be on the anti-Democrat bandwagon, or do you have reading & comprehension problems?

I think Norton explains this payment quite well, and I also already knew the facts of the matter too.

Aug 18, 2016 - 05:10pm PT
ok, let me try to see if I can explain this real simple like

For over 20 years the United States has had billions of dollars of IRAN'S MONEY in OUR banks

and we have refused to give it back to them until they agree to our SANCTIONS

a "sanction" is a punishment, ok?

now some really dumb Americans got captured and were being held in Iran

and now finally, after years of Iran kissing our ass and complying with our punishments
because they wanted their billions back

we agree to give them SOME of it back, only 400 million because they complied

but to sweeten the pot our President also demanded that they give our Americans back

this called a win win, and because the US does not have traditional banking ties with Iran we could not do like a Paypal transfer, and so had to give them real money

now there really are some people who will try real hard to twist this win win thing into some kind of "statement" or "conspiracy theory" and these are the really dumb people

which one are you?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 18, 2016 - 06:02pm PT
Soooooo.......


No link, Cragman?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 18, 2016 - 09:38pm PT
What Hillary Clinton Should Say about Islam and the “War on Terror”

https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/what-hillary-clinton-should-say-about-islam-and-the-war-on-terror
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 19, 2016 - 07:18am PT
Of course it's quiet. Obama is on vacation.

Historic floods, uncontrollable wildfires, neighborhoods torched by rioters... and where's our President?

Oh.... he's playing golf.

Golf is what matters.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 19, 2016 - 07:20am PT
He could stop all of those things, too, if he would just show up.

Hell, all of those things are his fault, anyway...
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 19, 2016 - 07:30am PT
gives all kinds of money to iran but where is he when he is needed in louisiana with all the flooding they are having he is a disgrace to this country instead of doing his job he is again on vacation and golfing.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 19, 2016 - 07:32am PT
You are hopeless, pyro.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 19, 2016 - 07:46am PT
He could stop all of those things, too, if he would just show up.

Hell, all of those things are his fault, anyway...

It's about leadership.

But you knew that.

Hope and Change has become "I'm not missing my tee time!"
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 19, 2016 - 08:25am PT
Cragman/Norton...I think it's time you 2 use the Cone of Silence...?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2016 - 08:30am PT
"You are truly kool aid drunk......believing everything they spoon feed you."


Coming from someone who believes word for word in a faith based document.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 19, 2016 - 08:31am PT
What truly amazes me is how I go into my cactus garden and then come out and briefly sit down to the computer and make ONE post.......and ALL of the usual suspects here are right there ready to pounce.

This clearly tells me a lot about your lives.....you sit at your computers all day long.....and absorb your choice of the corrupt and complicit media, filling your brains with the lies from the right wing media, you know it's complete propoganda don't you, are you really THAT stupid to believe all the lies they spew?
You are truly kool aid drunk......believing everything they spoon feed you.

Then you come here to troll, right?

Time to get a life.....and some reality.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 19, 2016 - 08:33am PT
this is not real complicated thing to understand

but some people are just plain limited by what the lord gave them to work with

let us pray for them
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 19, 2016 - 08:40am PT
It's not complicated them to want to believe the lies that Obama paid ransom to Iran, they want to find anything they can use to POUNCE on Obama for bad behavior,
problem is that everything they use to pounce on is a lie, and when we say something about it being a lie, they either don't believe it or don't CARE.

They cling to their lies like their guns and bibles
or in other words, they are my definition of a brain dead "Moron"

There is whole industry funded by billions of dollars to fabricate the lies and produce a growing population of morons that believe them.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 19, 2016 - 08:43am PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.

Aug 19, 2016 - 08:31am PT

Then you come here to troll, right?

Why do you come here?

It seems nearly all of your posts are little more than anti-Republican, anti-conservative hatespray.

Of course, I could be wrong.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 19, 2016 - 08:48am PT
Now the State Department admits it was a payment for ransom.

Hysterical.

Curt
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 19, 2016 - 08:48am PT
If you can believe a "report" of human footprints in dinosaur fossil despite all evidence to the contrary - despite all facts to the contrary - then you can believe anything.

So then the remaining question is...

Is this believing (1) a bug/fault/short in the cognition/edu? or (2) a strategy in the gameplay to winning?
Norton

Social climber
Aug 19, 2016 - 08:49am PT
Of course, I could be wrong.

you are too good for this world, Seve
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 19, 2016 - 09:30am PT
Edward T.
The non-climbing, known liar and Thief has words for me again??

No, I don't troll, I post my opinions.
Mostly based on Fact.
The Republicans and Conservatives deserve the hate spray, I would do the same to Hitler. Someone has got to stand up against the tyranny a right wing Gov. always imposes on it's citizens.

Edward T.
Tell us about all the climbs you did?
Top route?
Top Lead?
Any FAs?

We all just need to say it as it is, Trump is a champion for this New Revolution!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 19, 2016 - 09:40am PT
"some people are just plain limited by what the lord gave them to work with

let us pray for them"


+1
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 19, 2016 - 09:44am PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.

Aug 19, 2016 - 09:30am PT
Edward T.
The non-climbing, known liar and Thief has words for me again??

One fact and two lies in Craigie's opening. True to form. Of course, you'll claim it's all fact. <chortle>



Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 19, 2016 - 09:55am PT
Just using the same BS you use on the rest of us Sketch
Pay back is a bitch, right?

so are you a non-climber, known liar or thief?

I say all 3 are true, unless you can prove them untrue.

We know you lie, you lie about me all the time.

Here is one right here
EdwardT AKA Sketch

Trad climber

Retired

Aug 10, 2016 - 10:58am PT
Now I've got Craig Fry, known liar and thief, dry-humping my leg.

all 3 of the above are a lies, I wouldn't dry hump your leg if my life depended on it.

what about calling me a child rapist?
was that a Lie?

since you don't know me, and you just made it all up, it would be considered a LIE.
Yes, it's a despicable Lie, just like calling me a known liar and thief.

Conclusion
You are despicable Liar.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 19, 2016 - 10:15am PT
Poor little Craigie... always so butthurt.

Whaaaa!!!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 19, 2016 - 11:15am PT

you say I'm butt hurt when I just raked you over the coals
More projection?

Weird
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 19, 2016 - 12:27pm PT
What truly amazes me is how I go into the backcountry for days on end, then come out and briefly sit down to the computer and make ONE post.......and ALL of the usual suspects here are right there ready to pounce.

One would expect a few days in the back country would put you in a better state of mind. Sad that it does not. Then you are surprised at the response when you put the match to the dynamite in a political thread.

The elephant in the room is the brilliant nuclear deal our great president negotiated. You do not hear much discussion of that now, do you? That deal was also part of the "ransom". Best deal in a long time, America wins, again.

Yeah I know, the right and Israel was itching for a fight with 100 million Iranians. The military-industrial profits would have been YUUUUGE.
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