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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 9, 2016 - 02:54pm PT
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Just talked to Tarbuster and so far so good for them. But they are starting to prep for evac. We heard over the ops radio they are evacing folks but don't know where to send them.
They have one chopper bucket on scene and that's it. 0% contained.
Others in Ned?
It's about 15 miles as the crow flies from us (in north Boulder). I'll have some images after a bit.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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just came from there and it looks really bad. Not huge yet but I think it h just started and huge plumes of super black smoke are going up. Just on the ridge just north of the damn. Blowing towards boulder. Lots of houses and cabins up there. Will keep those people in my thoughts.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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From my bro in Old Ned
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2016 - 03:30pm PT
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Winds aloft as reported at DEN
9K 2006+22 (200 at 6KN)
12K 2108+13 ( 210 at 8KN)
That's good for Ned for now but that's point right at us. Also good that they are not whipping. It's pretty calm overall.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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We had looked at a house up in that area just north and a little east of ned. Lots and lots of houses and cabins. My saw a report that it is already 100 acres. Unfortunately that may mean several houses have burned with the density of homes up there. these two photos are from just above town coming from rollinsville. Sugar loaf would be to the right of the fire in this picture v
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Saw at least 20 emergency vehicles going up canyon as we were coming down. Helicopters were already doing drops. Funny thing is that we saw several fire trucks with lights flashing and several other emergency vehicles driving away from Ned toward central city in the rollinsville area when we were driving over. Are there two fires burning?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2016 - 03:40pm PT
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right when this started we heard of two others but don't have any info
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Was just looking at places there on realtor.com last night.
Should drive prices down. HEY, IT'S BLACK IRISH HUMOUR! :-/
Best wishes to all. At 100 acres and seemingly light winds they should
get a handle on it soon.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Looked like a bomb going off I had the feeling this was going to get a lot bigger. So hot today. 97 when we got to boulder and think it was in the upper eighties in Ned.
Reilly I didn't know you were Irish or black.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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rare Mike M humor spotting. i like this!
those hot winds in Estes Thursday prompted mention of fire weather. dude was right on, which sucks for Nederland ATM.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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How are all the st Ned peeps doing. Evil, tarbuster, Loren , pud. Aren't you all up there. Can't do much but would do what I can. If you have to get out I have a small house in Louisville where I could put up a couple people for a bit.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Only 100 people and 3 aircraft on it? WTF?
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Aya K
Trad climber
Boulder, CO!
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Plenty of room in my guest room, couch, backyard etc.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Only 100 people and 3 aircraft on it? WTF?
I'm sure the CalFire DC-10's and 737's on their way. They should be anyway. They drop a lot of gunk, right on the hot-spots.
Actually fun to watch. But I's imagine they're going if it's a big fire. 3 hours to get there.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
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It's heading down Boulder Canyon. Sounds like it went around Ned to get there.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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I'm sure the CalFire DC-10's and 737's on their way. They should be anyway. They drop a lot of gunk, right on the hot-spots.
I hope they can help but we in Cali have a lot of our own fires going on.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I really doubt Cali will send those with us sitting on a tinderbox 24/7,
especially as it's only 260 acres. Why doesn't the richest country on earth have 10 DC-10's
ready to roll in Denver, SLC, SAC, SoCal, and Bozeman 24/7? It's criminal!
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2016 - 07:17pm PT
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not sure i'd belittle this one with "only 260". There's a high density of homes this thing is ready to rip through.
but your point about resources spread thin is valid leaving me with little I can say to that.
Got a text from the top of the first flat a bit ago and apparently it's a pretty good air show at this point. So that's good news.
It's suppose to get windy tomorrow too.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Only doesn't belittle like 'only' does. :-/
It is algebraically increased by its proximity to town. God bless!
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
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I missed that subtlety! I should have known better given the source.
@ mile marker 28 in Boulder Canyon.
I'll bet this snuck right around the back side of Tarbusters place. Fingers crossed - he's perched on the hill north side of Ned.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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I heard it's above 226 acres now and has destroyed at least two
buildings.
Pray for rain. . .
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
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No rain in sight. :-(
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Hoping for the best for the residents.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Hopefully crews can get some line built and hose lays down tonight. DC-10s are great but a lotta fire fighting still has to be done with chain saws and Pulaskis at night while temps are down and humidity is up.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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The airshow was impressive tonight. Had a picnic on Flagstaff and watched brids and mechanical birds. Hoping progress is made with all we saw. Went home and found that it is smokey stinky here in south Boulder with all the smoke in the air.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2016 - 09:24pm PT
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KBJC FM101900 24015KT P6SM FEW100 SCT200 ugh!
15 knots around noon tomorrow at metro.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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It's a pity they don't have LA County's Nighthawks. With the lake so close
I imagine their turnaround time would be about 3 minutes, if that.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Is it still bad? Is it close to containment?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Good luck everyone!!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 05:04am PT
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Zero containment and unfavorable conditions today. Wind has shifted as the house no longer smells like a campfire.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jul 10, 2016 - 05:21am PT
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So you haven't bailed?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 05:22am PT
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We are far away from the fire - but not the smoke (and only the odor and haze). It is creeping this way, but where we are it is all good. Be interesting to see what's happening today. I really feel for those who have lost their homes. That's just awful.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jul 10, 2016 - 07:19am PT
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Glad to hear you are okay.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 07:40am PT
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Thanks! We are a-okay here.
Happily too, Tarbuster while very close to this, is on the west side of the fire and evac area. Hopefully the winds cooperate and keep the flames/smoke away from him.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 10, 2016 - 07:55am PT
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Stay safe.
This guy gets around.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:02am PT
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That's all they have for tankers there? That's a sad commentary on our priorities.
That Pawnee might hold 400 gallons. The DC-10 carries 12,000 gallons.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:17am PT
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Well, at least they have the BAE 146 but using that A-Star chopper with a 75 gallon bucket
is a sad joke. An Erickson Air-Crane carries 2500 gallons. Sorry for ranting but those are
second class, if that, tools compared to what's available.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2016 - 08:20am PT
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I tried to call Tarbuster last night after I heard the fire dropped into Boulder Canyon and didn't get an answer.
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FGD135
Social climber
Boulder Canyon Colorado
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:53am PT
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I live in Boulder Canyon, somewhat east of the fire area. No evac for us, yet. The fire is about 8 miles or more further west and north. Plenty of smoke yesterday, not so much today, so far.
Last night, speaking with County deputies that stopped by for another reason, they are candidly saying that the fire was started by an unattended transient/homeless campfire near the Peak to Peak Hy and Cold Springs Road. Unattended campfires are a big deal around the area as Boulder County swarms with homeless living in the woods.
As far as air tanker support, I've personally seen a couple of heavy lift type air tankers fly over en route to the area, don't know what model, but much larger than the small single engine a/c pictured above.
At Type II Federal Incident Command team is arriving to take over, and will have more resources with it, including, most likely, more air assets.
I have several friends that live in the mandatory evac areas, hope they get thru this OK.
There are additional pre-evac areas this AM, top of Sugar Loaf road.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:28am PT
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I live at the blue dot in the screen shot; the fire originated near the red dot some 8-10 miles west and across Boulder Canyon at about the same elevation as me (8100' +/-).
I took my dog to the transfer station, about a mile from where this originated, earlier yesterday morning. Such a gorgeous area of ponderosa pine and tall grasses, but very, very dry. Afterwards we walked around Mud Lake and enjoyed the area.
A couple hours later our power went out and I smelled smoke, strong and acrid like someone nearby lighting a bonfire full of fresh pine boughs. I walked the dog out to the mailbox to see if there was activity at the fire station at the end of our road, and the smoke was settling into our valley making it surprisingly hard to breath. It wasn't until the power came back some 2 1/2 hours later that we were able to learn of the fire.
The smaller planes dropping retardant are making laps directly overhead on their way to Denver, I presume, to reload. Winds have changed today and no smoke in sight. A little later we're going to walk the dog up the top of Forsythe Peak to get a view. Yes, the new dog likes to walk.
Thoughts and prayers to the Ned community. My wife keeps relaying heart wrenching posts from the local facebook group; this is going to be tough for a while.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:34am PT
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hey there say, OH MY... prayers for all you folks, up there...
:(
keep us posted, if and when you can, etc...
thanks for the update, from everyone...
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:38am PT
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Of course it was an unattended fire left by transients.
I hope it burned their asses.
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:42am PT
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Good to hear from you, Loran. I was just about to ask if anyone knew.
In the pix Crimpergirl linked there is a 4 engine aircraft as well as the smaller plane serving up slurry in a hurry. I was camping in that area midweek up by Rainbow lakes and was surprised there were no fire restrictions at the time.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:48am PT
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I've been listening to the emergency radio dispatch today. Many continue to burn campfires up near Peak-to-Peak and LEO are having to deal with that. Unbelievable people burn when it is so effing hot, there is a ban, and the environment is so dry. Idiots.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:57am PT
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Hoping the wind blows the right way, and
glad for the relatively mild fire season here so for.
Good reporting, gang. Nice photos, too!
Godspeed, everyone!
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2016 - 11:03am PT
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DEN winds aloft
9K 2310+20
12K 2412+11
at metro
FM102000 24016G24KT
so winds out of WSW. that's at least good news for Ned for the day.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 10, 2016 - 12:19pm PT
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The fire has been downwind from our position since the start.
We saw it begin as a large smoke plume on the lee side of a hill just northeast of our neighborhood.
Air-quality here has been fine, owing to prevailing winds. Much less smoke visible today than yesterday, even from Eldora ski area.
Lots of people from the evacuation zones still at the high school.
It ripped through what I would call a low to mid-density population region, in mountain town terms.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 10, 2016 - 12:31pm PT
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The fire as seen from the peak behind our home. No visible flames, but there seemed to be at least 4-5 hot spots in the smoke. Winds up here are gusting gently, which is not good.
We watched one of the big double rotor helicopters fly up canyon and cross in front of Longs Peak on its way to the blaze, but the still wing craft have subsided overhead today.
Glad you are okay, Roy.
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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Jul 10, 2016 - 12:35pm PT
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glad you doing ok tarbuster and hopefully those winds don't change for the worse.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 10, 2016 - 12:35pm PT
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That's looking much better!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 10, 2016 - 01:22pm PT
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From what I saw so far the cause is undetermined, though
ColoNative may disagree.
ColoNative • 17 hours ago
This is why the Homeless, hobo, transient Drainbows should not be camping for days on end. They will burn this entire place down. A few years back the Dome fire above Boulder was caused by an illegal Hobo campsite.
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ColoNative • 17 hours ago
This is why the Homeless, hobo, transient Drainbows should not be camping for days on end. They will burn this entire place down. A few years back the Dome fire above Boulder was caused by an illegal Hobo campsite.
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YarnOwl ColoNative • 9 hours ago
Wow, you have a lot of time/energy to hate on the homeless. Problems acknowledged. Now, how do we solve them?
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ColoNative YarnOwl • 2 hours ago
One way Greyhound tickets out of town. These are not innocent loving homeless people. They are lazy degenerate hardened dope fiends. Drinkin, drugin and thugin.
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Dano2 ColoNative • 34 minutes ago
What about the other cities that give them thar hobo a ticket to here? Are going to consume bus tickets every other day for these people?
Sounds like a weak plan to me.
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Marc Arnold ColoNative • 14 hours ago
Its legal weed that creates these problems.
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ColoNative Marc Arnold • 13 hours ago
Degenerates that don't work and live in the forests. The same ones downtown on the 16th st mall the city calls travelers. They are a bunch of dope fiend thugs.
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Marc Arnold ColoNative • 5 hours ago
You're confused. Them there Hippies started a fire with a BHO butane hash oil explosion. Them Hippies is Charles Manson want to be's I tell ya.
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FGD135
Social climber
Boulder Canyon Colorado
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Jul 10, 2016 - 01:39pm PT
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Boulder Canyon is closed west of the Sugarloaf/Magnolia Junction as of 2pm... A DC10 and a BAe-146 are working the fire, along with a Chinook helicopter. Magnolia Road is open, however, as is Coal Creek Canyon.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 10, 2016 - 01:41pm PT
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Fire update: 6 structures lost in which 3 are homes; mandatory evacs are still in place; fire is very active today and the weather is 88 F, 10% RH, winds are 12-18 gusting to 35 from the S/W. A fire weather watch is in place with a low pressure front moving in tonight with winds increasing thru tomorrow. Approx 50 - 60 homes are still threatened in the fire area. Last update on personnel was: 32 engines, 2 SEATS, 1 VLAT, 1 helo working the fire with 250 personnel and a Type 2 team arriving today. 300+ acres and 0 containment.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:14pm PT
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Winds have picked up.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:27pm PT
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I hear on the scanner they are prepping an evac of the Magnolia area. Not clear if it's going to be pre-evac, or full-on evac. Given what I'm seeing here in Boulder (smoke increasing A LOT), I fear it's an evac. Don't get yourself stuck up there Edge.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2016 - 02:38pm PT
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Shot from NoBo
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:38pm PT
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Thanks Callie. We just got an evac call, but there is no way we are leaving yet. The fire is a long way away from us (Castle Rock right in the path, btw) and across Boulder Canyon some 6-8 miles distant. Smoke is increasing but not awful, and we have multiple escape routes in three directions if we need to bail.
No need to be alarmist here yet. It does smell like it is claiming new ground, so we'll pack a bag just in case.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:45pm PT
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Being prepared is good. Knowing you have an escape route is good. Hopefully you won't end up needing any of it and can stay at the house.
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Aya K
Trad climber
Boulder, CO!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:52pm PT
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Edge if you do evac you all (including the dog) are welcome to come stay in my guest room - or hell I'm in the process of moving into a 2 BR condo and I'm not living there yet so you could go stay there. Just let us know.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 10, 2016 - 03:23pm PT
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Thanks everyone for the concern, but the sky isn't falling here yet. The pic below shows the fire in orange, evac areas in yellow; we are near the triangle of yellow in the bottom right of the evac zone, only a couple miles from Gross Reservoir. We can go up or down Magnolia at any time, or south by 4WD to Gross Reservoir and Flagstaff Road to Boulder.
I suspect that the authorities are being overly cautious with smoke levels and such. For what it's worth, one of the Timberline Fire Stations are 1/4 mile away at the end of our road, and I'm sure it would become a major staging area if anything moved this way. The big cow pasture that the elk love is adjacent and could land dozens of helicopters if we want to wait for the scenic departure.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
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Hoping it stays that way! Wind is supposed to kick up this afternoon. Hoping that does not happen because it was lead to a lot fire spotting. No bueno.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 10, 2016 - 03:53pm PT
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Plane traffic overhead back and forth to Denver has picked up considerably.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 10, 2016 - 05:10pm PT
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It was inevitable. The transient problem in the woods around Ned is out of control.
We just got a nice interagency visit from the Boulder PD making sure we got notice of the evac. I explained that we were being responsible and keeping an eye on updates, so no problem. As we were talking his partner heard from dispatch that they were not expecting the fire to jump Boulder Canyon.
Still, the wife is now sufficiently scared the fire will magically appear overnight while we sleep. I told her we could spoon like that couple they found in the ashes in Pompeii, a tender love story for the ages, but she's having non of it.
We have a place to stay in Boulder once we get ready, I just hope Moqui doesn't confuse chihuahuas for rabbits or its going to be an interesting few days.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 05:24pm PT
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The transients are a huge problem.
I am still hearing on the scanner that police are finding additional illegal campfires! I am baffled.
Try to sleep well. Tomorrow will be a rough day. The weather forecast has the dreaded wind symbol for Ned. :/
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:32pm PT
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My old survival instructor friend Corky is flying a Turbine Commander out of Grand Junction. He was on the fire today! I wanted to be sure before I posted.
Go Corky!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:34pm PT
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No doubt we've been watching him fly all day - they've been going right over the house.
Wind is really kicking up big. BIG. Smoke is thick in Boulder - really nasty. I can't imagine how bad it is where Edge is.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
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hey there say, all... still keeping you all in my prayers...
oh my...
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:08pm PT
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Just got down to Boulder about 1/2 hour ago. Big fenced yard for the dogs to run in, 8' long refractor telescope with clear views of Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, and the moon. It's hard to feel like a refugee...
Last update from fire personnel as I was coming down: the fire has progressed east to Castle Rock, but has not jumped the Creek (new: one new spot fire being treated aggressively, mostly contained). Feds are taking over the original perimeter, local resources will concentrate on keeping the fire from crossing the Creek. 5 spot crews in that area, precautionary retardant drops, pump trucks stationed directly along Boulder Creek, and heli support.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:19pm PT
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The suspects are accused of not properly extinguishing a campfire they'd made overnight Thursday into Friday on private property near the Peak to Peak Highway and Cold Springs Road.
So, at least so far, it was stupidity and not maliciousness.
Trump and Ryan ... oh well nevermind
Addendum:
alleged stupidity and not alleged maliciouness
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:58pm PT
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so the presumed, not yet proven firestarters are stupid, but not people who settle in prime wildfire country? I'm gonna chew on that.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 11, 2016 - 05:54am PT
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Glad you hear you left last night Edge. Planes started early today. Hoping the wind forecast is incorrect (in a good way).
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2016 - 07:00am PT
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Me too. But I just scrubbed a flight because of the winds. Metro TAF shows gusting to 28kn by 2 :(
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Jul 11, 2016 - 08:44am PT
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Hi all. Looks like another big day for fire fighters. Wind isn't too bad as of now, but is forecast to be picking up later in the day.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 11, 2016 - 10:24am PT
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Here's Corky's rig on the bottom. Not sure if that's his exact aircraft, but it might be.
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Jul 11, 2016 - 12:13pm PT
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Constant air attack now. Big CH-47's, Apaches, DC-10's. Get Some!
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Jul 11, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
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Best of luck to you guys.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 11, 2016 - 12:18pm PT
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Constant air attack now.
Why do they wait two days?
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 11, 2016 - 12:34pm PT
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^^-AirOps isn't always instant grat, although with the concentration of $$$ in that area I was a little surprised myself.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jul 11, 2016 - 12:44pm PT
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Often there is a resource lag when fires go from local control to being taken over by a national ICS team. Also, it's not like DC 10 tankers are just sitting around right now. The aircraft probably were elsewhere, had to be released and were subject to pilot time restrictions among other logistics. I'm sure it's frustrating but the feds actually do a pretty good job of moving stuff around many competing priorities. Whether there is enough to begin with is a question congress won't address.
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GLee
Social climber
Montucky
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Jul 11, 2016 - 01:14pm PT
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FWIW to Reilly & others......
That's all they have for tankers there? That's a sad commentary on our priorities.
That Pawnee might hold 400 gallons.
I'm thinking that the S(ingle)E(ngine) A(ir) T(anker) A/C shown is an Air Tractor AT-802A (http://www.airtractor.com/aircraft/802a ) using a Pratt Whitney PT6A-65AG turbine engine, and with a retardant capacity of 800 U.S. gal.
An orders of magnitude improvement over the recip Pawnee's of the past (if they were even used to drop retardant???? I have no idea).....
PS: Reilly, I agree with you on light helicopters like the A-Stars & Jet Dangers, if there is no one on the ground to take advantage of the cooling effect of the slurry drop!! Otherwise it's is just PITW IMHO.......
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Jul 11, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
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They didn't wait two days. We had choppers from day one. The big boys showed up the first night. We've got agencies from across the front range working this, and as of last night it became a level II Fire which makes it fed. incident.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 11, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
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I sort of doubt that anyone with a structure nearby would be bitching about how many gallons it holds in the face of not having something larger.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 11, 2016 - 01:24pm PT
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We had a fire here three weeks or so. Since it threatened Bradbury, next to Monrovia, whose
per capita income and home values makes Beverly Hills look like Compton, the response
was immediate and massive. Within a couple hours there was a DC-10, 3 BAE 146's, 2 Hercs,
2 Ericksons, and a swarm of Big Bells, including 2 Nighthawks! It is painfully obvious that the
Nederland Robespierre Chowder and Marching Society needs to man les barricades against
discrimination against hippies!
Evel, I only saw pics of pathetic Pawnees and A-Stars that first day. And this constant
fractured agency Battle of the Accountants is a big part of the problem. Everybody stands
with their hands behind their back waiting for somebody else to take over and spend their
money.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jul 11, 2016 - 01:31pm PT
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The small tankers are super helpful. Maneuverable and a quick turnaround. Also less of a time issue for ground crews- people need to give the big tankers a lot of room on the live run. Those things can cause some serious slurry impact force. The smaller single engines are in and out. Great for slop overs, spot fires, etc.
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GLee
Social climber
Montucky
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Jul 11, 2016 - 01:32pm PT
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Oops! 3 posts & 10 minutes to late for Reilly and others to see....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 11, 2016 - 01:36pm PT
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I get all that but before there are many ground pounders it sure seems like bigger is better for
laying down as wide and as long of a retardant line as possible. And from close observance
those big boys were extremely precise. They were releasing to the split second on their lead
plane's smoke. Excuse me for wanting things to be better for our fire fighters and citizens.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 11, 2016 - 01:39pm PT
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Reilly, I appreciate your technical expertise, I really do....but sometimes you just seem to have a kneejerk reaction against anything that involves government employees and their decisions.
Best wishes to all who are near this event- it's very scary to have that kind of threat nearby one's home.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jul 11, 2016 - 02:43pm PT
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From the inciiweb site it sounds like there is potential for more structures lost today on this fire.
Perhaps one reason there were not Aircranes and DC-10s immediately on scene is they were all over in Reilly's backyard? People need to realize that there are large fires going in many states around the West, not just in CA and CO. While we wring our hands in armchair quarterback frustration, understand that some 85,000 gallons of retardant were dropped both Saturday and Sunday on the Cold Springs fire.
Some are slamming the "light" helicopters with their 144 gallon buckets, but considering we as an organization catch 97% of fires during initial attack, and A-Stars are perhaps the most common helicopters in the fire business, something must be going right.
As a side note, consider taking a moment to extend your condolensces to the families and coworkers of the two BLM fire employees killed in a motor vehicle accident yesterday evening in northern NV. Motor vehicle accidents continue to be the leading killer of wild land firefighters.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jul 11, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
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I was almost killed in crash coming off a jumper fire- the person who picked us up fell asleep and nearly drove us into the Feather River canyon. One of the guys I jumped the fire with grabbed the wheel and saved us.
Sorry to hear about the BLM accident.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 11, 2016 - 03:42pm PT
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Even more pressing need than aircraft to do these retardant drops is a real shortage of qualified pilots. These guys can only fly a certain number of hours before the FAA says "no more today." It's a very dangerous and highly skilled type of flying, especially with the huge load of retardant onboard the bird. A frequent (and fatal) error is pulling up before dropping and having the wings tear off the airplane.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jul 11, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
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Roger that Broke...Wonder what workers comp is for those pilots...
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 11, 2016 - 10:03pm PT
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^^^^^^
Not enough.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 12, 2016 - 10:44am PT
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Any more updates on status of the fire?
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FGD135
Social climber
Boulder Canyon Colorado
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Jul 12, 2016 - 12:01pm PT
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The fire has been limited to 566 acres and seems to not be spreading. 5 homes destroyed, as reported so far.
This morning at 1130 Magnolia evacuations were lifted, and just prior to that all the Sugarloaf evacuations are lifted, and both roads are open.
Boulder Canyon above the Mag/SL junction is closed except to BC residents that live east of the falls, but a hard closure exists west from there.
Rockfall in the canyon beyond that point,caused by the fire and firefighting efforts, are apparently an issue. From the published map, it appears the SE tongue of the fire extends almost to Castle Rock.
http://www.boulderoem.com/emergency-status/
Aerial video at this site:
https://www.dvidshub.net/video/474361/colorado-national-guard-responds-cold-springs-fire-boulder-county-co
The two scumsuckers that started the fire while camping illegally will be formally charged tomorrow. I think a lot of folks would be happy to drag them behind a truck for a few miles, if just to set an example for other transients and illegal squatters.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 12, 2016 - 01:02pm PT
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Yes, I finally get to go home. This must mean they are confident that the front across the road from Castle Rock is no longer considered a threat to jump the canyon.
Is fire retardant sticky? I'm thinking about a go on Athletes Feat after they reopen Canyon.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 12, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
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Edge, yes, plus it causes premature boldness.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jul 12, 2016 - 11:11pm PT
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Evel, good to see the thumbs up.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Jul 15, 2016 - 02:58pm PT
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Get any rain in Ned? Rained here in Boulder pretty good today
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Jul 15, 2016 - 03:15pm PT
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looking good for Ned not so good for climbing in Eldo
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 15, 2016 - 03:24pm PT
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DUMPED here in South Boulder! Good to get some moisture. The fire is 100% contained now. Happy everyone who still has a home was able to go home.
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Jul 15, 2016 - 03:40pm PT
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Rained for maybe 15 minutes today. Not enough.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 15, 2016 - 08:00pm PT
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hey there say, all... thanks for the updates...
:)
hope more rain, for you all...
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jul 17, 2016 - 06:26pm PT
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Some perspective on the fire.
Stolen from YouTube.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2016 - 07:22pm PT
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This story is killin' me.
http://kdvr.com/2016/07/21/finding-geno-dozens-plan-to-join-search-for-dog-missing-since-cold-springs-fire/
We've organized a number of teams with IR equipped drones to go search for him first thing in the morning.
I'm bummed it took two weeks before we were asked to help. No idea how effective searching from the air with low-flying IR will be but we're going to do our best. And I truly believe in the potential. There's zero doubt in my mind that this emerging technology can and will save lives. Geno is on my radar.
#bringgenohome
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