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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 2, 2016 - 05:41pm PT
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I am (unfortunately) located in a suburban/city area in CA that seems to be full of gym rats (no offense!) and climbers afraid of a little heat (Joshua Tree this time of year). Anyway, I really love climbing outdoors and really don't love indoor bouldering. I've met some nice people at the gyms, but haven't seemed to find any belay partners with my same mindset. I would enjoy meeting someone with my same passion for outdoor sport climbing and road tripping (I am happy to drive to Yosemite as long as the Enormocast is on). The problem is even just getting out to the crags and finding someone willing to make the drive. Do I just show up to the climbing spots as a solo girl with not enough gear and risk looking like a freeloader? Or keep taking my chances at the gym?
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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just hit the Valley. There are plenty of guys as well as women who drive subarus to hook up with and get some pitches in.
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Oh boy this should be good...
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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been awhile there Schwarpy, what happened to Beardo?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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a picture says a thousand words, just sayin'...
oh yeah, and overall skill-level.
EDIT: Well done putting up a pic. It helps!
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 07:07pm PT
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This isn't a troll! Sincerely seeking advice.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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How long have you been climbing?
How would you describe your "mindset" - is it typical? unusual? unique?
Are you safety conscious?
What routes or mountains are on your tick list?
Help us fill in the blanks here. :)
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 07:24pm PT
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Absolutely, happy to answer :)
I've been climbing about 6 months. I'm extremely eager to increase my skill, and I really want to learn as much as I can. It's pretty insatiable. I can only toprope about 5.9 right now. I recently moved away from my climbing friends so my progress for learning new styles has slowed. I've learned a lot of safety from them but I still have a lot to learn. It's really important to me to be around people that are concerned about the safety of everyone, not just themselves.
Anyway, I'm slowing building up gear. I just bought a rope but don't have any anchor gear yet. I'd really enjoy being around people that are more advanced than me and would enjoy having someone support them as well as be my teacher. I've been to Yosemite a few times and I would love to return to climb harder routes, as well as learn multi pitch eventually.
Hope that was an acceptable little spiel. I'm having difficulty advancing because of my irrational fear of bouldering, my lack of gear/belay partners, and not being in close proximity to decent crags. I'm willing to drive if I'd be able to show up solo and find partners without looking like a gumby. Any and all advice is welcome.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Showing up to one of the "get togethers" you see here and there on Supertopo wouldn't be a bad idea. "Shuteye get-together", "Luna Fiesta", "Yosemite Facelift" etc....
And keep the search up at the gym. Stay away from climbers wearing "sportswear" like Adidas, Underarmor or anything that looks like they do Crossfit. Most real trad climbers will walk in wearing nasty old Five10 approach shoes and will wear a stinky, torn, ratty patagonia zip T. They'll most likely also have below average hygiene and gingivitis when they smile. Those are the people you need to hook up with.
Good luck. See you in the hills.
Scott
And never feel bad letting people know you are a noob. I'd rather climb with a beginner thats stoked than an idiot who's been climbing for twenty years!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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A lot of friendly people from so cal here. Good luck.
I'm too far north I think, or I'd take ya out.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Assuming this is not a troll. (your post appears as a troll because you don't have a posting history, and a pretty woman looking for partners is sure to rouse up a bunch of high testosterone guys...)
1. Be careful. Not only of creepy guys, but you should read enough about climbing (e.g. freedom of the hills) to know if your partner knows what they are doing or not. A lot of people think they are experts but make dumb mistakes. Don't blindly trust someone. Know what makes a good anchor so you can judge for yourself. Usually someone who knows what they are doing will explain things, and respond to questions positively. Someone who gets defensive and standoffish when you question them is not someone you want to climb with.
2. Yes, you can show up at a climbing area and make friends. If you have shoes, a harness, a belay device, and a chalk bag, you are set. Offer to belay. Bring beer, snacks, and/or firewood. Camp 4 in yosemite has a bulletin board on the Ranger Kiosk where you pay for a site which is a great place to find partners. The next step is to buy a rope and offer to use it. A rope is the one piece of gear that wears out so offering your rope is a contribution. A place where a couple or group of people are setup to top rope is a good place to introduce yourself and ask if you could try the climb.
3. Post on mountainproject.com partners section. I've lined up partners when I'm in new areas in other states no problem. It's arranged by areas so for example you can look for Joshua Tree partners. You could get lucky and even find someone local to ride there with. You could offer to drive if they are supplying the gear and expertise. And see #1 above. Maybe meet a new person with a friend, so they see the person (let's be honest it's only guys you need to worry about) you are leaving with. And tell them you will call them to check in.
Add: I just saw you added where you already have a rope. And seriously being a pretty woman you'll have no problem just walking up to a group of people and asking if you could climb with them. You'll eventually meet 1 or more good long term partners who can teach you a lot. I learned a lot from partners, but I learned the most taking a weekend class on leading because I was learning from certified guides with the latest information and they were good teachers. Not all people you meet will have the knowledge and teaching skills to match that.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Good! Just keep at it - doing what you're doing.
You'll have a list of partners in short time, I bet.
Have fun! And don't take this place too seriously,
it can be pretty harsh, also pretty superficial, sometimes.
And never feel bad letting people know you are a noob.
Yes.
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
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Thanks for the replies everyone! This isn't a troll, I just found out about this website recently. I've posted a little bit on reddit and recently made an account on mountain project. Since I just moved, I didn't have the need to search for belay partners but now I do.
locker - you're just rude. Please leave this feed.
micronut - that's great to hear there are get togethers! I didn't see them when I was browsing the forum before.. is there a specific section to find those?
bluering - thank you! I actually lived in Santa Clara last summer, but sadly I'm down south now.
The Fet - thank you for your advice. 1. I'm planning on taking some anchor and rescue courses through REI to build up those skills, so I know if someone else is doing it right. Safety is definitely important. 2. I'll try that! 3. I didn't realize mountain project had a partners section! thanks for the tip
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
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I appreciate the support High Fructose !
Edit: I'm happy to be a noob! I'm stoked on climbing and can't wait to learn more. Thank you
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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And by the way......Supertopo is chock full of old dudes who are online daily playing around here and being generally rude and salty to eachother. One of their past times is creating fake avatars to lure in eachother to responding "catfish style." So they really can't believe in a nice normal gal coming on here asking for climbing advice. It just seems like a trap to them. Don't let em get to you. They're harmless......and they aren't going anywhere. They LIVE here on this site! Part of the wordeork around here, if you will.
Good luck and stick around.
Scott
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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I'll be around Yosemite, Tuolumne and the high country all year and looking to climb easy trad. I'll climb with you.
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 07:42pm PT
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Macronut I appreciate the friendly replies and tips! The world (and this forum) definitely need more people like you.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Trust me, most of the regulars here outside of Turner and Vitaly are low-T unless getting regular injections (Donini - I'm looking at you, I know you have some sort of secret sauce, it can't be natural)...
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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Trust me, most of the regulars here outside of Turner and Vitaly are low-T unless getting regular injections (Donini - I'm looking at you, I know you have some sort of secret sauce, it can't be natural)...
Of course that includes you
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 08:48pm PT
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Thanks for the post & advice Mike! That gives me hope that I could possibly meet someone in the gym!
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Josh actually is a tad warm right now. But Tahquitz & Suicide have great climbing and are slightly closer from OC. There are a number of outdoor climbers at Rockreation and even SenderOne.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Zurriola,
If you are seriously committed to developing your rock climbing skills, you are in the land of milk and honey . . . California! You have all you need there . . . partners be damned! If you really want to learn how to properly rock climb . . . head out to good old CO. See you later!
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 09:26pm PT
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Kalimon you are a mind-reader. I'm not sure if you're joking or not but moving to CO is very seriously on my 5 year plan (hopefully less than that)
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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serious question, is your inbox full of messages yet? Surely you have offers by now since everyone believes you are on the level.
What is zurriola, your name?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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i'll buy that for a dollar!
i got a big rack and no car right now. pick me up and i'll go where've you want..(i got cab money if it don't work out;)
but i know some shady spots in the monument.
BB
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 10:11pm PT
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overwatch - I don't seem to have any messages from supertopo (I'm guessing these would go straight to my email?)
Zurriola is not my name - I lived in Spain for a brief period and it was the name of the beach I lived by. My name is Kailey.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Many times the Super Taco private messaging system sucks ass and the messages don't come through.
Not that it matters but I'm convinced you're legit. If you ever get to Arizona...
vvvvvvvv I think I need a translation for that post
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
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she is probably in bay area where most gym rate only understand code 0 or Code 1, either system is on or in standby mode etc.
She needs someone in belay mode
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 10:19pm PT
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I'm in southern CA, not the bay area
^^ I agree on needing translation.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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There are plenty of gym climbers that also climb outdoors just keep trying I can't imagine you not finding a partner. I think it was the boyfriend thing that made people suspect, pretty unusual post for this sausage fest of a forum
but i know some shady spots in the monument.
Not sure how to take that one...just kidding
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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zurriola,
You are a very brave woman.
There are great climbers here with incredible resumes, even famous climbers here at ST that will be willing to give very good advice, or the hope to get a girl friend, or both. Lol.
Be careful. There are also some serious haters on here that you just have to ignore. Have a "water off a ducks back" approach and have an incredible thick skin response without revealing it. I should know. Lol
Good luck. There's great people here.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Or just don't go over the top with the conspiracy theories and proselytizing
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2016 - 10:52pm PT
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overwatch - I agree that the boyfriend part of the post was probably not a great idea, it was kind of a joke at first (I recently broke up with a boyfriend that is a climber and it's been difficult losing my best belay partner ever) but it was a little bit true. I do want to make friends and find a community, first and foremost, but it wouldn't hurt to have that #1 partner who is down to road trip and climb
Klimmer - thank you. you and others have been very kind and I appreciate the advice. I feel hopeful I'll find climbing partners at this point!
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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totally cool of you
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
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John Long live down in south. He is a good belayer
not sure if he is a good climber
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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i haven't gotten a PM?
Hey i'm a Pro! and i got pro
but where's my haulbag
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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If you are not a troll, PM me.
I have tons of extra gear that I don't use and I can fix you up
with a starter gear rack that I will just give you.
you live is SoCal and I am there a couple weeks every month with my business.
We will meet for coffee and I will give you the gear and I can give you some names of safe people to climb with. And I could give you some lessons at an area that is good for learning the basics of leading and using gear.
my email is cosmiccragsman@msn.com
PS: And, No, I am not looking for a girlfriend, but I do enjoy teaching people how to climb.
Don't pass this up. Cosmic and his friends are the real deal.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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A lot of people on here know Cosmic
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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yeah, but who's that Fruity dude/dudesness?
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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because i'm not smelling troll so far, here are a few supertopo factoids, from as far as i've been able to ascertain from my years spent first observing and then slowly beginning to communicate with this mostly friendly but occasionally hostile virtual tribe...
average age of supertopo aficionado: 53.7 yrs of age
average on site grade: 5.3
average red point grade: 5.4d
average number of days spent climbing: 6.3 days / annum
average emotional maturity as measured in normal developmental years: 13.2 yrs of age
average annual income: $13 573.47
average political views: at one of the two ends of the political horseshoe spectrum, that begin to draw nearer to one another again.
average number of women who post more than twice a month: 7.5 / month
average deepest desires: a multimeter, a rubber chicken, and a blue butt plug
[at the same time that i thought it'd be better if you knew, i also want you to know that it's probably best if you don't ask for an exegesis regarding that final list, at least at this early juncture...]
jes sayin, that while there are outliers, you should know you've stumbled upon a, shall we say, interesting neighbourhood to go fishing for climbing partners in...
best of luck though! [and on one serious note: while i haven't met him in person, another vouch for not being able to imagine you'd go wrong taking cosmic up on his offer]
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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i vote for cosmic tOOO
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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HAaaaaaaa
what were we talkin bout?
oh ye3ah. how old is Ms.Z??
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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hey cozzy, i'll wash your windows for some free gear!?? (if i couild only do manips, the world would be a different place ;)
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Aliso Viejo is a stones throw from Laguna Beach. Not much climbing around here (none).
Is Big Rock still closed?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Is Big Rock still closed?
if your talking aboutt Big "Blue" Rock out here in JTree?
Nope.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Cosmic, do you know the phrase, "fish'in in a barrel"?
If this is a woman on an upstream voyage, i'm a suckerfish
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Don't think that is actually a phrase.
OTOH
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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anyway, it still resembles your picture.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Cali cities are too far from climbing. Jump in your car and hesd to Colorado.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Kailey, you might find the post http://www.mountainproject.com/v/how-to-get-asked-out-on-a-second-date/110204013 over at MP to be of some use, maybe not right away but soon. I wrote it after a few of experiences climbing with folks with lots of gym days but very little trad experience.
If you read the MP thread, you will see that, astonishing as it may seem, not everyone agrees with me, so you'll have to arrive at your own conclusions about some of what's there. There's rarely just one way to do anything in climbing.
At the end are a few items about judging whether the person you're with is as competent as they should be...
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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I am still laughing
The near perfect fit,~ DMT,
&
I hope everyone reads Nahooo !
I'm now going to address, you Z directly.
The geek that's is offering to help, . .?
You have scored!f
Boy friend ? Check, he has testicles and can be a dick;+}
Or he's got BALLz and knows when to be a dick:0)
Teach you to rock climb ? Check, he has the best advice stay off steep till you find your feet!
Hook you in to a climbing-centric gang of trouble makers ? Check. he spends time in two of
best ' learn to climb ' areas where climbers from around the globe can be met,
& sharing ( not sheared! ) rope & routes will lead to skills and people will chase you,
The age thing ? if you flip it, chase down an old goat, that's a sure way to jump start climb, (waste, youth on the elderly they can be very appreciative !
Your milage may vary but - he who is vain - has no job - lives in a van - can do one arm pull ups while talking - is not where to start.
At 1st stay to girly men or if you can stand it grab hold of a Gnarly older dude who farts & thinks it funny Oogles yer boobs, drools his beer, & Scotch, and is not embarrassed to pee in front of you, make sure he sees that you looked before looking away .
Good on you for taking this here the mnt reject is full of posers
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Do I just show up to the climbing spots as a solo girl with not enough gear and risk looking like a freeloader?
that will work.. those rock climbing boys will totally fall for it.. they live in cave so when they see female they go all out.. happy hunting
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
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best troll player I seen around the 4th and BBQ time. you guy better have the extra corona in the cooler.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I'm planning on taking some anchor and rescue courses through REI to build up those skills
There are better places to learn those skills than REI.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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zurriola is a beach in Spain and the OP took the time to email Cosmic so she is either legit or Suprema has really uped her game.
I checked out Rgold's MP post. I never read the forum there now I am even more convinced that is the right call. Worse than here with the no it alls. misspelling intentional.
Majid claiming troll is funny, I guess he ought to know
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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I think she would be lucky to have you helping her out.
Still could possibly be a troll though I guess. If so nice work
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Heisenberg
Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Jul 3, 2016 - 09:58am PT
Base doesn't jump he just likes to encourage others to jump.
D#@&%e much!
Cheerleading prick!
Armchair sociopath!
Brooke sounds like such a positive person to climb with.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Wrong thread, guy. Stalk your pal somewhere else.
Or not I really don't give a sh#t how you spend your time
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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As for the boyfriend aspect, judging from the various mid-pitch meltdowns I've seen between significant-other climbing partners over the years, there might be substantial advantages in learning from someone who is not romantically entangled.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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^^^^^^^
Sage advice
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Cosmic is solid. I climbed Mama Woosley (it's a climb, not a female, ya perverts!) with him first time I met him. More importantly, he's a good guy.
How do I know this? I've met the guy, and I have very good intuition.
And he apparently trains Marines now, to climb like real men.
Cosmic is the real deal. Just go easy on his f*#king back!
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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thanks Boooring, for the scoop on Jtree
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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For me the question is WHO is belaying....not WHAT they're using, although I don't use a gri gri myself.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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you boys are silly. just cause you don't know how to use one doesn't mean none else do either
i don't think i would let you guys belay me unless you were using a gri. Ha
He just wasn't paying attention, or didn't hear me when I was
SCREAMING, "UP ROPE, UP ROPE.
you got dropped while toproping? if i get a 5 or 10ft loop in front of me, i usually slow down
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Body belay or sticht plate type device used correctly by an old timer
and/or a way experienced climber...no worries mate!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Cosmic is a real dude who will be good to learn from. I'm a semi-old dude so I can't vouch for whether or not he would try to grab your boobies, but I highly doubt it.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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You've been trolled Dwain. Old Schwarpena, she got ya... hahaha
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Where did Areola go???...
She went climbing with the nearest trad climbing man she could find, I mean just look at them far away eyes.
So if your down on your luck, and you can't harmonize, find a girl with far away eyes. . . .
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Airy Hola.
That's a keeper.
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
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Wow, I was delighted to see this post very much alive after barely 24 hours of leaving it! I actually found a great meetup group in San Diego today and climbed some solid routes in Mount Woodson. (for anyone that cares - none were boyfriend material. Haha) Also if anyone STILL cares, I emailed Cosmic back again. The troll thing is getting old. This post was simply asking for advice. I honestly don't understand why people troll but that's for another forum post that I don't care to participate in.
Anyway, I really appreciated the kind comments that were posted here. It seems that most agree I can go to a crag and seek belay partners there, but also try out the gyms. Thanks everyone!
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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it would help to move out of Aliso Viejo. I grew up down there... the orange curtain stifles climbing. Head for the hills or a better metro area like Seattle or Denver- you will have lots of bf material to choose from
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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The troll thing is getting old.
Don't mind Locker.
A Locker is a type of carabiner.
Some people call carabiners "crabs".
Crabs can sometimes be crabby.
If he were younger, he might have posted:
"LOOK! A LEG WITH NO HAIR ON IT . . . . . . . ."
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Zurriola, nice job finding some partners!
I'd still go climbing with Dwain though. He can teach you a lot about climbing. And he's a trusted source.
If you can get out with Locker AND Dwain on the same trip, that's f*#king gold right there!!!
Good luck!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Something about leading a horse to water?
Oh well, her loss. Have a good Independence day, bro!
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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The troll paranoia on this site is pathetic. If you think someone is trolling (a depressingly lame pass time) then just don't answer. The "is she a troll" hand wringing is embarrassing.
Zurriola, I met my wife at the gym (and a girlfriend or two before her...) and also climb a ton outdoors. I am sure things will work out for you!
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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your embarrassment is on you, who cares what others here think or do?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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your embarrassment is on you, who cares what others here think or do?
Glad I didn't have to point out the obvious. Thanks for the 'overwatch'.
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2016 - 01:44pm PT
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The troll posting really is getting old. I'm in contact with Cosmic through email now. What does it matter to you?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath - Thanks for the support and on the troll topic, I couldn't have said it better myself.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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A guy could do a lot worse
edit
than the girl in the picture
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Next thing you know she is going to want to buy a gun.......lmao.
maybe a pistol.....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Kailey, in case you haven't noticed, there is a lot of playful banter here. Some of it is nice, some naughty.
Everybody means well. I will vouch for everyone in saying that we are happy to welcome you to 'the tribe'.
No, it's not a cult. More like a cult of personality. You seem like you may fit it, just harden your skin a bit. There are no 'safe spaces' in climbing.
(Tom Hanks angry voice) "There's no safe spaces in climbing!".
Have fun. Our tribe welcomes everyone. If you want to learn the ins/outs of REAL climbing, you're home.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Hillaryous.....
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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She[???]
Lol.
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WanderlustMD
Trad climber
New England
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This is better than the old WOS thread.
As the taco turns...
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Maybe this is the next phase of the internet. The troll that is not a troll.
An honest post with enough trollishness that it fools people into thinking it's a troll and calling it a troll. And if so they've been trolled!
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Hi- I have not read thru the whole thread so this may be redundant:
On Facebook there are two open groups you can join, SoCal climbing friends, which is right in your region, and Riverside rock climbers, not that far from you. Both groups have people who organize local gatherings and look for climbing partners.
Edited to say, I think most of the SoCal climbing gatherings are posted through Meetup.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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From Wikipedia:
In Internet slang, a troll...is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.
So let's see: the topic is finding belay partners or perhaps a boyfriend.
1. Starting arguments? No, that's what the people who cry troll at the drop of a hat do.
2. Upsetting people? The only people who seem to be upset are the troll-spotters.
3. Inflammatory? Nah.
4. Extraneous? Not even close in the context of what goes on here.
5. Off-topic? See answer to number 4.
6. Deliberate attempt to provoke emotional response? Well, some people do seem to be very touchy...but then no deliberation is required, eh?
7. Otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion? See answer to number 4.
Conclusion: the only trollers on this thread are the ones sounding their own hair-trigger troll alarms.
Question: am I trolling now?
Somewhat more seriously, common decency---if there are any shreds of it left---would require that a newcomer who is a beginner posing possibly naive questions be given the benefit of the doubt before being accused of "sowing discord" for their own amusement. And frankly, telling a young woman that to prove she isn't trolling she has to meet someone she doesn't know and accept from him gear and lessons is pretty outrageous. Whatever happened to the concept innocent until proven guilty, and why would a perfectly reasonable refusal to accept such a blind date cast even a hint of suspicion on her trolling predilictions?
This is not to say that Cosmic isn't a wonderful person for the job, but she doesn't know that and agreeing to meet him can't possibly be a litmus test of her posting motives.
I imagine many people will say, or at least are thinking, that I'm taking this way too seriously and it's all in good fun. Maybe so, but the underpinnings of that "good fun" seem to me to be part of a burgeoning tendency to ignorantly and often malignantly discredit people and opinions on the basis of unstated prejudice, and the more we do this in good fun, the easier it becomes to do it when the stakes are far higher.
In fact, most of the responders have taken the question at the face value it deserves. But still.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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great points as usual. Supreama is trolling us still through our instant suspicion
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Hey Z, check your e-mail.
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2016 - 12:09pm PT
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Yes thank you rgold for that post! I think I've gotten some fantastic feedback from this post and I'm simply going to ignore anything unrelated; it is not worth the time.
For anyone that has tried to send me messages, I don't seem to be receiving anything from supertopo... any ideas for troubleshooting that?
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matlinb
Trad climber
Fort Collins, CO
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I don't know about the OP, but it seems to me some of the poster are mad; as Voltaire said, "What is madness? To have erroneous perceptions and to reason correctly from them." http://www.apa.org/monitor/nov02/gomad.aspx
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Zurriola
You would have to post your email address directly so that people could bypass the s h i t t y Super Topo system
vvvvvvv yeah what he said although I figured she was smart enough to figure that out on her own
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Zurriola I agree with most here that the email function is pretty hit or miss through Supertopo. I'd probably be pretty slow to give out my personal email in a thread here however. One option might be to make a quick "junk" or "disposable" gmail account like Zurriotopo@gmail.com or something so you can delete it if somebody starts hassling you or stalking you. It happens sadly. I have met many many fantastic folks on supertopo, and have met in person and climbed with at least 20 of them.......some have become lifelong friends, but there are some seriously bad folks who lurk here and harassment bordering on stalking has actually happened here. It's the internet and it happens, so be careful.
Take time to get to know the place. Once you meet a couple folks in person they can vouch for other posters. You'll find out things like "Yeah Vitaliy is a true hardman, Micronut is a pretty decent dude, never climb with Le_Bruce unless you want to epic, Donini is a legend, Burchey only climbs 5.4, etc...."
Once you get a feel for the place you'll realize that most here are fairly normal despite their best efforts to act like idiots online.....but there are also some really creepy characters who lurk here. Be careful. Stick around. Be smart and enjoy the campfire.
Scott
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RyanD
climber
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ST = So Thirsty
Lmao
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zurriola
Sport climber
Aliso Viejo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
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I do think it would be wise to use my non-personal email. Since the messages from super topo don't seem to be working, if anyone would like to chat regarding climbing partners in Southern CA I would love to hear from you:
kjsempervirens@yahoo.com
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chill
climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
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I was tying in to lead and watched as he started to put the rope through his GriGri...
I calmly said:
"Can someone else belay me, PLEASE!!!"...
That's the Taco in a nutshell.
If the Stonemasters didn't use it, it sucks!
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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micronut, what is up with that shoddy rope coil falling out of your pack in that tilted photo?
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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or somehow, a climber boyfriend
Me too. If you find one, let me know.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Hmmm...I sent myself a test e-mail from Supertopo and got nothing.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Don't we already have a sempervirens?
How about another picture or two Kailey?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I thought so, too.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Come on you have to convince Locker! He will resole your shoes
Anita aren't you and the Doctor married yet?
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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You all fell for it.. HA HA HA!
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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I'm just chiming in to give a personal endorsement to both Cosmiccragsman and locker as both being competent and trustworthy. I'm a 200 pounder, and still would trust either of them with my life--which is what one does when climbing together. There are others posting here as well, with whom I would climb with unhesitatingly; too many to list here. Please listen to Phylp, as her advice is excellent!
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Anita aren't you and the Doctor married yet?
Nope. But I'll send you an invite if it happens, dikhead err I mean overwatch!
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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It looks like you're on your way to success here already, but I feel like posting some pointers that I picked up along the way.
First, you're going to end up redefining your concept of 'Safe' to encompass a whole new set of situations. You will be consciously engaging in new situations that female relatives, friends, public safety, have taught you are 'unsafe'. Now is the time to trash all that and start fresh.
Example: driving out to meet someone at a random dirt parking lot at a random blip on google maps. You don't know what your end destination will be, only that it will be within a 2.5 hour drive radius of your meet up point. You don't know his/her 'real' name - only an internet handle. Although you have his/her phone number, you won't get cell reception for the next 12 possibly 20 hours as you know that most community protected climbing areas don't get cell service (yay slot canyons and remote locales!) so you're prepared for the fact that a cell number only gives you the impression of accountability. You found out the location of this said meetup at 12midnight last night along with your contact's cell number (which won't work for most of the day), and there's no time to run a background check as you have to leave at 4am to make the meet up time. By the time your non-climbing friends read your note (if you left one - if you're like me, you forgot to fire off a message when you got in the car at 4a because you were so excited to GO CLIMB!!) around 10am, you should be on your first or second pitch - and deep in the heart of no cell service. Basically no one knows where you are going, for how long, or with whom and by the time they find out, you should be at least 6-12 hours into your adventure, and none of your friends will be able to tell the rangers anything particularly helpful - not even what you were wearing when you left that morning.
This is a safe situation. :) And actually a really great way to start a belay partner relationship!
I'm sure you realized that "safe" gets entirely redefined in everything around climbing. The same goes for meeting new people - how to 'safely' meet new people gets redefined as you do it more and more often.
So best wishes in your search, and have fun! No one will look out for your safety as well as you do for yourself, in climbing and in life!
Cheers
LS
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Here's another comment, in the form of "P.S."
Never allow yourself to be belayed through a GriGri! I won't!
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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fuggin please! Seems to be fine for some of the best climbers out there. If you have had a bad experience it's probably the belayer.
vvvvv right so bashing the device is disingenuous
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's my point! Bingo! Never let a device substitute for competency.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Until one knows the competency level of the partner, don't rely on devices!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Looking forward to my daughter making her own series of bad decisions regarding personal safety.
My daughters (now 28 and 30) got their chances to see how what constitutes "safe" in climbing social situations differs from "safe" in non-climbing social situations. The older one did at least show enough wisdom to nix the idea of holding her bachelorette party in Camp 4, though.
My wife still gets on me because of my attitude toward these sorts of issues. She says, particularly with respect to my younger, still single, daughter to go to the mountains alone: "You don't get it. She's a woman, not a man." [I should put that in all caps, because she usually shouts it to me.] I maintain I do get it, although with a certain, fatherly, bias (i.e. it's OK as long as it won't kill her.)
For this father of daughters and older brother of sisters (and soon-to-be grandfather of a granddaughter), this has provided most interesting reading. Thanks, zurriola, for starting the thread and enduring the trolls.
John
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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"Wrong, rigger breath!!!..."
Better than ole climbing shoe Breath!!
LOCKER DUDE.
;)
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Look at it from a different perspective
You've agreed to meet up with this total stranger who you only know by their online handle. Their avatar is nice, but you know full well that the avatar is probably fake. You've promised to take this person (who says they are female, but functionally, belay competence isn't gender specific) to a cool place that's a bit out of the way, and great climbing. You'll probably be leading almost everything since this person has admitted to being a beginner and now you have to come to terms with the fact that someone you've never seen before (you don't even know how much they weigh) will be lead belaying you on some moderate, but still vertical, terrain...that is if they show up at all. You're generally pretty exclusive about who you climb with, but all your other climbing friends are booked this weekend, so you decided to take a chance. on someone who has never felt what it's like to catch a lead fall outside of a gym. If you're lucky, they've gotten their gym belay card.
You hope this person doesn't freak out at the remoteness of this area.
You hope this person won't drop you when something unexpected happens.
You hope this person doesn't try to flirt with you instead of paying attention to the climbing.
You hope this person doesn't cry assault once they get home after the crag in attempts to extort money out of you.
You hope they actually show up on time at the coordinates you gave them. The last 4 times, you're new potential climbing buddy couldn't find the meet up, or make your 7am meet up time and you're friggin' tired of weak ass, can't get it together n00bs.
Most of all, you hope to be able to make it home safe and sound because that is never a given. On this brand new meet up, this risk, no one has your back except you.
Just another perspective, thanks folks!
Cheers
LS
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couchmaster
climber
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^^^^Like Lady S says, and if you feel at all uncomfortable with your new climbing partner, just hit them square on right in the eyes with your mace spray. Presumably not when it's your lead of course:-)
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Simpler solution: go set up a few short toprope problems belayed from the ground, sequentially; watch how your newbie belayer does on taking up rope, giving slack, and take a few short deliberate falls just a few feet off the deck. Then expand the envelope. After a few hours, you can evaluate each other's prowess at climbing and belay safety.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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I've bought and sold tons of things on craigslist. I've found about a half dozen partners online. I've found about a half dozen partners on the Camp 4 Bulletin board. I've rented my rental homes many times thru craigslist.
I've never had any serious issues (knock on wood). It's a matter of setting up guidelines (e.g. voice verify), following them religiously (even when someone says they are in a hurry, this is a sign to be more careful not less), backing away from anyone who doesn't agree to do things the way you want to do them, and listening to your intuition and/or any red flags that go off.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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I've not forgotten, gorgeous Z,is she real ?is she she? Is she who she says she is or is she shewerprema,,Sammy10 or whatever is now outed so that's how this got bumped .
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