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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 20, 2016 - 12:28pm PT
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Anton Yelchin, one of the most gifted screen actors of his generation, was killed in a freak Jeep accident at his home. The vehicle rolled down his driveway and impacted and pinned him against a brick pillar in the middle of the night. He was discovered dead by his friends when he failed to arrive for a scheduled rehearsal.
That Jeep had been recently recalled for a problem with an electronic gear-shifter that could confuse drivers, and could spontaneously revert to a former setting after being shifted. This could cause the vehicle to roll off uncontrollably.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-anton-yelchin-jeep-rollaway-20160620-snap-story.html#nt=oft12aH-1gp2
If you own a Jeep or other Fiat Chrysler car, you need to investigate this issue now.
If an electronic/robotic gear-shifter is capable of turning on its owner and killing him, then how are self-driving cars going to be safe?
EDITED for form, not content
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 12:39pm PT
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The only vehicles lower than Jeep on the JD Powers customer satisfaction
list are Minis and Fiats. That ain't good company to be in.
Gotta believe that if he had set the parking brake he might still be alive.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
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^^^^^
He would, most assuredly, not have been killed in the manner that he was.
I always set the parking brake, even on flat ground. It comes from decades of driving manual-transmission cars, which would roll downhill in gear, slowly turning the small and weak four-cylinder air-cooled engines.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 20, 2016 - 12:56pm PT
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Tragic, I really liked him
до свидания и спасибо за большую работу,!
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 20, 2016 - 01:00pm PT
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Anything involving being crushed and asphyxiated is my nightmare scenario, what a way to go sorry for his family.
One question I had from the article is what is a public Magnet School? Is that as opposed to a private Magnet School what is a magnet school studying magnets? I know there is an industry surrounding high-strength magnets but I didn't know there was specific schools for it. Maybe it is something else and I'm just being dumb
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2016 - 01:06pm PT
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Magnet schools attract the best and the brightest?
Kids who get enough iron in their diet are drawn to Magnet schools?
A euphamism is a euphamism is a euphamism.
Anton Yelchin was outstanding in Alpha Dog, which was a dramatic treatment of a true story of a drug dealer who kidnapped and killed a child to coerce payment from his older brother.
Google Jesse James Hollywood
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 20, 2016 - 01:30pm PT
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'euphemism' is a 'euphemism' is a 'euphemism'
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2016 - 01:53pm PT
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'euphemism' is a 'euphemism' is a 'euphemism'
Gosh darn that fiendish spell-checker! It only put red underlining there for me to see!
Anyone else smell a lawsuit?
Absolutely.
When car companies try to move too quickly with new features and designs, this is the logical result. The race for marketshare occasionally leads to disaster.
What's sad is that Yelchin's parents will probably sue for a really big payout, larger than for someone else, because Anton had such good potential for earning a lot of money over the course of his life.
In other words, one person's life is worth more than another person's life, based on how much money they make.
In other words, the worth of a man is how much money he has.
In other words, money is the true measure of a man.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 20, 2016 - 02:00pm PT
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Alpha dog had one of the best fight scenes in a non martial arts film that I've seen when the skinhead brother kicked everyone's ass in the bar including a woman that tries to attack him
vvvvv yep, love that guy and I think Timberlake's a pretty decent actor too
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
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^^^^^ Yes, that was a good one.
Ben Foster can be quite the bad-ass (c.f. the remake of 3:10 to Yuma with Russel Crowe, Christian Bale and Peter Fonda).
I liked the scene in Alpha Dog when Anton Yelchin's character loses his virginity in a swimming pool to two libidinous nymphets, one of whom was Amanda Seyfried.
Justin Timberlake was also surprisingly good (for a boy-band singer) in that one.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jun 20, 2016 - 02:21pm PT
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read about it yesterday was wondering what the rich star was doing I figured he adjusted the carb on his hot rod then it went into gear.. damn RIP
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 20, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
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Sounds like he might have been closing his gate and the vehicle rolled into him, maybe getting the mail?
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 20, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
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Leave my Jeep alone - 96 Grand Cherokee with 150K miles and still gets me where i need to go.
Maybe it was a Uber Jeep or one of the Google Test Cars?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 20, 2016 - 05:37pm PT
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It's a fiat era jeep. They are all junk.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2016 - 06:08pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^ Ricky D Hit It Right There. ^^^^^^^^^^^
The current race for the self-driving car is a race to disaster.
Yelchin's SUV had a new-fangled, computerized "artificial intelligence" electronic control for the transmission. It was not properly designed and tested before being put into millions of vehicles, and is now the subject of a defective-product recall. All it did was shift the gears in the car. It didn't steer, brake, stop, start or otherwise control the car at all. But, its defective operation was enough to cause the death of Anton Yelchin.
Cars driven by people, right now, have serious operational defects that exist because of faulty components that are much less complex than an artificially-sentient AI robot that would control a vehicle cooperatively engaging with tens of thousands of others on a crowded rush-hour freeway.
Car companies are still grappling with:
 faulty ignition switches that kill people
GM, over a period of 10+ years knew about and concealed the faulty switches.
The problem was that the switches could spontaneously turn themselves and the engine off, and render a driver unable to steer or brake the vehicle.
A robot at the wheel would be disabled by a faulty ignition switch.
faulty airbags that kill people
Takata provided more than 100 million lethally fatal airbags to 14 different car companies.
The problem was that Takata saved a few cents per airbag by failing to include a desiccant (chemical drying agent) to remove moisture.
The presence of atmospheric moisture destabilized the ammonium-nitrate propellant charge, and caused it to spontaneously and violently detonate like a bomb, filling the passenger cabin with flying shards of shrapnel-like metal pieces.
A robot at the wheel would not be able to protect occupants from flying sharpnel when a faulty airbag spontaneously exploded.
faulty electronic transmission shifters that kill people
Fiat Chrysler announced in April a recall for vehicles with the new shifter.
The problem is that the electronic shifter was poorly designed, so as to be difficult for a driver to use properly. The poor design also allowed the shifter to spontaneously and autonomously shift from one gear selection to another.
A driver could mistakenly believe the car was in "Park" when it was not, and then be crushed to death when his vehicle rolled down a moderate slope under gravity.
The robotic gear shifter sensed that Yelchin was behind the car, and like HAL in 2001, it decided to take defensive action against a perceived threat to itself.
The idea that the public should be exposed to, and embrace new technology as fast as it can be concocted and hastily pushed through an incompetent design and manufacturing process is absurd. It's one thing for the newest version of Windows to have annoying glitches. It's quite another for a 6000 lb robot to go eCrazy, and spontaneously hurl itself at 120 mph into a crowd of pedestrians.
When Tesla, Faraday, Google, Apple, Uber, Facebook, Zynga and Groupon come out with their self-driving, robotic eCars, someone will be compelled to offer this for sale:
The eZooka - For shooting and killing eCars while they slumber, unattended and unoccupied, so that they can't spontaneously rise up and kill people.
"Some people say that the computers got smart, and that they developed a new order of intelligence. Then, they saw all people as a threat, not just those on the other side. The computers decided our fate in a microsecond. We were this close to going out for good.
"But, there was one man who taught us to storm the wire, and showed us how to smash those metal motherf*#kers into junk. He's the one who turned it all around. He's the one who brought us back from the brink. His name was Conners. John Conners: your unborn son, Sarah."
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 20, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
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When Uber, Google, Apple, Zynga, Groupon and Facebook come out with their self-driving eCars,
Stooopid lazy azz fuking Americans can't even drive their own cars.
Stoopid lazy fat azz Americans all stoopid ...
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 20, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
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Werner say ugh, FlinstStoneMasters not drive cars, FlintStoneMasters push cars with feet running very fast through hole in floorboards.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 20, 2016 - 07:40pm PT
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Military-style vehicles like Jeeps are designed for one purpose: To kill people.
If you own one, it's much more likely to kill you than it is to be used in self-defense.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 20, 2016 - 07:49pm PT
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Military-style vehicles like Jeeps are designed for one purpose: To kill people.
I confess - I use mine to run over Welfare Moms in the WalMart parking lot and crush small children in the park.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 20, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
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Military-style vehicles like Jeeps are designed for one purpose: To kill people.
If you own one, it's much more likely to kill you than it is to be used in self-defense.
Just stumbled across this thread and read this. Thanks, well played.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2016 - 09:13pm PT
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I think the Willy's Jeep utility vehicles of World War II (military vehicles) are being confused with present-day Jeep sport utility vehicles (soccer-mom vehicles).
Yelchin's Jeep was a soccer-mom vehicle, not a military vehicle.
The Land Rover was specifically created to offer the Willy's Jeep off-road capability to the farmers of Great Britain. The Land Rover was intended to be a multi-purpose agricultural vehicle and lightweight tractor.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 09:19pm PT
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Land Rovers are POS now, too. They are only minimally better in customer satisfaction
than Jeeps. Both have horrible transmissions that love to quit in the middle of
intersections and dealer networks that are in a close race for the bottom. So sad.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2016 - 09:34pm PT
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Land Rovers are POS now, too.
Yes.
Especially considering the high price, the new ones seem like a bad deal.
There was a generational sweetspot for Land Rover quality, about ten years ago, when BMW owned the company. BMW got rid of Lucas Electrical equipment in favor of Bosch, which made a big difference in reliability, right there. I heard BMW bought the company to obtain access to the Land Rover suspension technology, which they applied to their own line of SUVs.
Then, Ford bought Land Rover from BMW, and later sold it to Tatra Motors of India, whose fine quality motoring catalog includes a $999 car for the Hindu masses.
My 1989 Range Rover was the last of an early line-up with decent quality. In 1990, they started adding low-reliability crap like ABS brakes, air-spring suspension, complex, computerized fuel-and-ignition system, bizarre transmission lock-out switches for "safety", and so forth
I bought my Rover in 2005, and I am still waiting for it to transmogrify into a notoriously English car that is a total POS.
That hasn't happened yet (knocks on the real wood interior trim . . . . . .)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 21, 2016 - 12:47am PT
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Yelchin's SUV had a new-fangled, computerized "artificial intelligence" electronic control for the transmission.
The label - 'artificial intelligence' - could not be more ill-advised. People of late are losing their minds over it. In so many ways it's unfortunate it didn't die with the technology that spawned it.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2016 - 01:58pm PT
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^^^^^^ That invocation of "artificial intelligence" was an exaggeration for rhetorical effect.
It wasn't supposed to be taken literally.
However, the gist of the statement, if not the actual details, remain accurate. The electronic shifter of Yelchin's SUV was new and modern, but had not been properly designed, tested and evaluated before being loosed on the unsuspecting and credulous public.
There is a tremendous urgency by corporations of all types to rush their untested and unsafe products out to the public. A conspicuous and persistent example is the pharmaceutical companies selling drugs that are soon revealed to be much more dangerous than what was claimed.
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